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RAOFI have the Launchpad permissions to copy the X stack from quantal-proposed to quantal; do I also have the authority?08:05
jibelRAOF, can you look at bug 1017477 it breaks upgrade to Quantal with current X stack in quantal-proposed08:06
ubot2Launchpad bug 1017477 in xserver-xorg-video-qxl "Precise to Quantal failed to upgrade with -proposed enabled: -qxl depends on xserver-video-abi-11 but -12 is in proposed" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101747708:06
infinityA rebuild of qxl would fix that, I'm sure.08:07
RAOFIt would indeed.08:07
RAOFI thought I'd done that. Thanks.08:07
* infinity throws one at proposed.08:07
RAOFIf you want to :)08:08
RAOFAlso, I didn't know we tested upgrades with -proposed enabled. Do we actually support that?08:09
infinityRAOF: Done.08:09
RAOFTa muchly.08:09
infinityRAOF: We don't support it, but it's a nice metric to have.08:09
RAOFIn return, I shall finish fixing the xf86-video-msm's build.08:09
infinityHrm, that's a fair bit of toolchain updating at the beginning of builds.  Time for me to refresh the chroots again, methinks.08:12
cjwatsonRAOF: I'm not sure whether you technically do, but please do this one anyway.  I was waiting to talk to somebody who knew about it. :-)08:33
cjwatson(Once those video drivers are sorted, anyhow)08:33
RAOFOh, we seem to be missing fglrx, too, and while it is supposed to support 1.12 it segfaults on a 64bit server. Urgh.08:34
RAOFCan we ignore the existence of proprietary blobs yet? :)08:35
infinityRAOF: I don't use proprietary drivers, so clearly no one else does.08:49
Davieyogasawara: When are we expecting the next kernel upload?08:55
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jibellivefs for Ubuntu Desktop were built more than 1 hour ago but there's still no CD (and no cd log), can anyone look what's happening ?09:20
jibelDaviey, ^09:20
cjwatsonIt's waiting for armhf livefses to finish09:21
cjwatsonWait09:21
jibelit's me being impatient then :)09:21
cjwatsonNow that they're being built in the same run it blocks on them all09:21
Riddellkde packages should now be in a state where images can be made, please add them to the queue09:22
* Daviey goes home.09:29
seb128infinity, thanks for the g-s-d approval! ;-)09:37
infinityseb128: NP.09:38
infinityseb128: In the future, can you avoid setting "Fix Committed" when you upload to proposed?09:38
infinityseb128: Our snazzy scripts do that when we accept, so it's a bit harder to track status if it's already in that state.09:38
seb128infinity, hum?09:38
seb128infinity, ok, I though we were meant to set to fix commited when uploaded, that's what I've been doing so far09:39
infinityI suspect there are two entirely different workflows at play here.09:39
infinityIt's not world-ending if you track your bugs differently than I'm used to, just a bit confusing.09:39
seb128infinity, would be good to have that documented one way or another in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure09:40
infinityAnd, to be fair, I'm not sure if the "proposed = committed, updates = released" thing is documented.09:40
infinity(Which means "uploaded to proposed, but not accepted" is another state entirely, like "in progress")09:40
infinityseb128: Yeah, let me open the wiki as a subtle reminder to myself, and I'll see about documenting something when I'm not asleep.09:40
seb128infinity, I'm open to any workflow there, i.e using "in progress" for things waiting in the queue works for me09:41
seb128infinity, thanks09:41
cjwatsonYeah, that's what I do09:41
cjwatsoninfinity: Looks like you should update your ubuntu-archive-tools to Brian's newest revision09:45
cjwatson(for sru-accept)09:45
cjwatsonActually, let me tidy that up a little more09:45
infinitycjwatson: Hrm?  I'm out of date again? :P09:45
infinityI really should cron that bzr pull.09:45
cjwatsonOK, done09:47
ogra_hmm, did anyone plan to upload ubiquity before A2 ?10:10
* ogra_ would need the arm fixes 10:10
cjwatsonHadn't but can do, shall I?10:10
ogra_that would be great, yeah10:11
cjwatsonI'll send it to -proposed10:11
ogra_thx10:11
jibelthere is a problem with external keyboard on alternate and server images. I filed bug 101787910:42
ubot2Launchpad bug 1017879 in debian-installer "External USB keyboard stops working when d-i starts" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101787910:42
Davieyjibel: you rock my world.10:43
jibelDaviey, in the cloud times, why would you want a keyboard on a server anyway.10:44
cjwatsonjibel: -> incomplete10:44
Davieyjibel: i'm about to do a server install, with an integrated keyboard.. for giggles, i'll attach an external and reproduce10:45
jibelcjwatson, I attached the output of lsmod during and after installation of a server image.11:16
cjwatsonI need it from a running desktop image, as I said on the bug ...11:16
cjwatsonThough I guess the post-installed config might be helpful, but it's usually easier if instructions are followed exactly11:17
cjwatsonDoes the external keyboard work post-install?11:18
jibelcjwatson, output from a running desktop image attached11:22
jibelthe keyboard works post-install11:22
DavieyConfirmed that todays image doesn't work with external usb keyboard.11:24
cjwatsonMostly waiting for my kernel trees to update in order to look at this11:41
cjwatsonThough it could be udev or d-i11:41
ogasawaraDaviey: we just received the omap3 patches we were waiting for, so I plan to apply those, quick test build/boot, then upload.  so I'm guessing upload eta is ~1hr from now.12:44
jbichaare we waiting on the new atk until after Alpha 2? I'm just curious as the gnome-shell stack update needs it12:45
cjwatsonogasawara: I haven't yet figured out whether this external USB keyboard problem is yours or mine12:46
seb128jbicha, it's in quantal-proposed12:46
seb128jbicha, you can upload new gnome-shell stack there as well12:47
Davieyogasawara: Super, looking forward to it.. Hopefully it will unblock i386 cloud images.12:48
jbicharight, I did that, I was just checking if it would stay in -proposed for the next few days12:48
ogasawaraDaviey: indeed, smb filled me in just now for that12:48
Davieythanks12:48
seb128jbicha, ok, I don't know about that, I guess you can make a case to move it to quantal if you want the new gnome-shell in for a2 though ;-)12:49
ogasawaracjwatson: just catching up on that bug...12:49
jbichaseb128: it's not a big deal to me, gnome-shell won't be on any official or unofficial A2 images AFAIK12:51
cjwatsonogasawara: Could the problem be missing hid-generic in input-modules?  It hardly seems to do anything though13:01
ogasawaracjwatson: I was just thinking the same13:01
cjwatsonusbhid is there, mac_hid is just for mouse button emulation13:01
ogasawarajibel: when you insert the external keyboard, any messages show up in dmesg re: hid-generic?13:02
cjwatsonudev is identical between precise and quantal so surely not that13:04
cjwatsonrootskel's only had trivial changes13:04
jibelogasawara, when I plug the keyboard dmesg says: kernel: [    16.311471] usb 2-1.1 new low-speed USB device number 4 using ehci_hcd13:08
jibeldo you want me to try the same in a live session where keyboard works ?13:08
ogasawarajibel: wouldn't hurt, although I think it is the culprit13:10
ogasawaracjwatson: commit 8215d557e5f3a70e50e07c857d35c250fee62a7313:10
ogasawaraAuthor: Henrik Rydberg <rydberg@euromail.se>13:10
ogasawaraDate:   Mon Apr 23 12:07:07 2012 +020013:10
ogasawara    HID: Create a common generic driver13:10
ogasawara    13:10
ogasawara    Move the hid drivers of the bus drivers to a common generic hid13:10
ogasawara    driver, and make it a proper module. This ought to simplify device13:10
ogasawara    handling moving forward.13:10
ogasawaracjwatson: that's new as of v3.5-rc113:10
cjwatsonRight, but the actual code seems trivial; how does not having it break?13:10
ogasawaracjwatson: so I'll add hid-generic to input-modules13:10
cjwatsonI assume I'm missing something so mostly trying to educate myself13:11
jibelogasawara, this is the output when I plug the keyboard with a live session: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1060722/13:19
ogasawarajibel: thanks13:20
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RiddellDaviey: what's the status of alpha 2 candidates?13:33
DavieyRiddell: need a rebuild when new kernel alnds13:33
Davieylands*13:33
DavieyOTP13:34
Riddellgotcha, thanks13:34
cjwatsonogasawara: So yeah, from jibel's output adding that to input-modules looks right13:35
cjwatsonDaviey: We'll need a d-i upload too13:35
ogasawaracjwatson: ack, my test build to confirm it's in the input-modules udeb is just finishing up, then I'll upload13:36
Daviey\o/13:37
ScottKThat's all the 7 days +verified SRUs for today.14:38
apwcjwatson, i assume the d-i versioning for master and lowlatency are separate ?14:44
apws/master/generic et al/14:45
cjwatsond-i doesn't have lowlatency images so we don't care about that14:45
apwahh good point14:45
cjwatsonubuntustudio d-i just uses generic14:45
cjwatsonor generic-pae or whatever14:45
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stgraberjibel: ^ fixed, though I think that list is a bit wrong... shouldn't it be amd64, amrhf+*, i386 and powerpc instead?15:10
stgraber(my script just publishes all active products)15:10
jibelogasawara, cjwatson keyboard not working after completing 'check disk' on a desktop image is the same problem than bug 1017879 ?15:39
ubot2Launchpad bug 1017879 in linux "External USB keyboard stops working when d-i starts" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101787915:39
cjwatsonNot as such15:39
cjwatsonMight be kind of vaguely similar15:39
cjwatsonBut 1017879 is specific to d-i and "check disk" isn't15:40
cjwatsonThe latter's probably hid-generic being missing from the list of HID modules in initramfs-tools15:40
jibelok, I'll file another report. What info do you need ?15:41
cjwatsonNothing more15:41
cjwatsonJust need a bug number to close with the fix15:41
jibelbug 1017991 filed15:50
ubot2Launchpad bug 1017991 in initramfs-tools "Keyboard stops working after completing 'Check disk'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101799115:50
micahgskaet: someone forgot to fix the topic in #ubuntu-devel and here for the freeze16:04
balloonscjwatson, on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1008717, is there any reason why the scrollbars would appear in the slideshow and then later disappear? At a certain point it seems like a redraw takes place16:04
ubot2Ubuntu bug 1008717 in ubiquity "Ubiquity displays scrollbars inside of slideshow" [Medium,Triaged]16:04
cjwatsonSorry, I don't know, maybe somebody else does16:09
cjwatsonOn a call, but that's not an area I've touched much anyway16:09
cjwatsonjibel: Fix uploading now, untested16:15
xnoxballoons: pure guess: the translation is one line longer....16:16
xnoxbased on the screenshots16:16
ogra_balloons, they disappear for me as soon as i grab the window and move it16:18
ogra_so yeah, there is a redraw ... and it pretty likely calculates a wrong size somewhere before the initial draw16:19
balloonshmm.. glad I'm not the only one seeing such things :-)16:19
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skaetmicahg,  topics updated,  thanks for the flag.16:27
Davieyhmm.. how did that happen?16:40
stgraberDaviey: you apparently forgot to turn off cron16:41
stgraberDaviey: based on "crontab -l" (as cdimage)16:41
Davieystgraber: it is disabled now.. but i wasn't going to do it until all were built16:43
skaetDaviey, have done #9 on th list now.17:04
* skaet just noticed checklist is still pointing to precise for launchpad UI.... fixing17:17
skaetDaviey,  is there a plan for d-i upload and build after the kernel finishes?17:23
Davieyskaet: tentative17:23
skaetno ABI changes?17:23
Davieyit's noted that it's required.17:23
DavieyI'm normally more comfortable when cjwatson touches d-i.. but really, i suppose anyone can do it.17:24
Davieyright now, i'm stopping for dinner.. I can't imagine much will change whilst i'm gone.17:25
skaetDaviey,  ok,  have it a bit more explicit in the tracking.   If you're handling the d-i that's fine, otherwise we'll need to line that up.17:28
infinityOnce the kernels get bounced from proposed to release, I can do a quick d-i respin, if we don't also have other things d-i is waiting on.17:30
infinityAnd yes, it's an ABI change.17:32
skaetthanks infinity17:40
balloonsdoes anyone know about this? I've had this for several weeks now. And now it's preventing me from reporting iso testing bugs as well ;-( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/101333417:47
ubot2Ubuntu bug 1013334 in apport "apport could not connect to crash database" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:47
cjwatsonskaet,Daviey: I can take care of d-i this evening18:26
cjwatsonbut I was waiting for the kernel to land, obv18:26
skaetev, ^ do you have other reports of bug 1013334 being seen by others?18:27
ubot2Launchpad bug 1013334 in apport "apport could not connect to crash database" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101333418:27
skaetthanks cjwatson,  infinity has chimed in that he'd help.18:28
infinitycjwatson: Kenrels will be "a while" still, I'm sure.18:29
* infinity ponders killing that gcc-snapshot on PPC and scoring it to oblivion.18:29
infinityI wish I'd noticed it earlier.18:29
cjwatsonI need to do some LP QA later anyway, since I had a qa-bad so the deployment pipeline tomorrow gets complicated otherwise.18:32
stgraberDaviey: Bryce uploaded xserver-xorg-input-synaptics to the release pocket by mistake. That package is seeded by pretty much everything so I guess it'd be best for it to finish building everywhere before the next respin19:10
infinityI assume we're waiting on kernels anyway, which are much further off than synaptics.19:13
* Daviey returns19:23
* Daviey guesstimates another 2hrs on armhf19:24
seb128^ rejected that xkeyboard-config upload, we need to sort an issue19:24
infinityDaviey: Another 4h on PPC (kernel got stuck behind a gcc-snapshot build I just killed), but only a few images ship PPC, so they could be strategically built last. :P19:26
infinityDaviey: Oh, wait.  No.  Since the kernel is in proposed, we kinda need to wait for the PPC build to do the copy.19:26
* skaet --> dr. appt. will be online later.19:29
phillwinfinity: the ppc build for lubuntu is already in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/222/builds ??19:30
infinityphillw: There will be another when the new kernel lands (as there will be for everything).19:33
phillwinfinity: thanks, I'll tell the guys to hold fire on testing! When is A2 due to release?19:35
infinityphillw: Oh, no, if people are testing, please let them test.19:36
infinityphillw: If they find bugs, we want to fix them now, not in 8 hours, or 2 days.19:37
infinity(Don't wait for the "final" image to test, cause then if it's broken, it's not the final image19:37
infinity)19:37
phillwinfinity: respins that wipe out bug reports, drive the testers mad! It is for this reason the new qa tracker is supposed to keep a hold of them :) You make a concerted effort, validate all the mandatory tests, then some 'bright spark' puts a new release out and resests all tests to zero :P19:38
phillwI'll alert them, instead to the fact there is a kernel release across everything, then log off so they don't "chew my head off" :)19:39
infinityphillw: Yeah, that feature of the tracker is annoying, but the bug reports are still valid.19:41
infinityphillw: And they don't go away.19:41
astraljavainfinity: Hi, and thanks for your work already for Studio! There's a minor glitch, though. bug #101807519:42
ubot2Launchpad bug 1018075 in ubuntustudio-meta "quantal still wants linux-lowlatency-pae on i386 even when that variant has gone away already" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101807519:42
infinityastraljava: Oh, indeed.  Can fix.19:42
astraljavaI have updated the seeds regarding headers.19:42
astraljavainfinity: Thanks so much!19:42
cjwatsonNeeds to be fixed in livecd-rootfs, debian-cd, and cdimage.19:43
infinitycjwatson: Yeahp.19:43
infinityAlso, need to drop the -pae from meta.  I hadn't noticed Andy had done the rename/dropping from the 3.5.0 upload.19:44
infinityOh, actually.19:45
infinityDon't want to drop it, want to have transitional metapackages.19:45
infinityWhich will allow the rest of the machinery to work for now anyway.19:45
infinity(Though it should all be fixed)19:45
cjwatsonhttps://dogfood.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=2&queue_text=  hey, this actually looks sort of plausible19:46
stgrabernice!19:47
infinitycjwatson: Pretty.19:47
infinitycjwatson: I assume they're still accepted as a unit with the build record?19:47
cjwatsonYeah19:47
cjwatsonThat's the effect of running the PCJ after accepting the sync in the unapproved queue19:48
cjwatsonProbably would be neater to have them in a single PackageUpload, but this way I got to reuse a giant pile of code from elsewhere19:48
* cjwatson tries publishing that19:51
infinityastraljava: meta is fixed.  Other fixes can trickle in whenever, but are less urgent (as, for now, -lowlatency-pae will just pull in -lowlatency)19:59
phillw1reverted back to 3G, WiFi is having a really bad hair day!20:01
astraljavainfinity: Many thanks!20:02
cjwatsonHarmless OOPS when copying the Rosetta translations over (which shouldn't be done anyway), but otherwise this works.  Yay.20:04
infinitycjwatson: What was the reasoning behind debian-cd using generic for ubuntustudio alternates?20:10
cjwatsonIt didn't seem worth d-i building lowlatency images.20:10
infinityOh, right.20:11
infinityAnd lowlatecy doesn't do udebs.20:11
infinityDerp.20:11
infinityCheck.20:11
cjwatsonI *think* it still installs ll on the target.20:11
infinityAlright, lowlatency fixes committed to debian-cd and cdimage, don't pull them to production until -meta and livecd-rootfs agree (both of which were also uploaded, though the latter to -proposed, and now I'm wondering why I did that...)20:15
micahginfinity: since it's not needed for alpha2 probably :020:16
infinitymicahg: Kinda is.  The CDs no workie.20:17
micahginfinity: the transitional package should fix that though20:17
infinitymicahg: Unless ubuntustudio isn't participating in A2.20:17
infinitymicahg: Oh, right, that's why I did livecd-rootfs to proposed.  Thanks. :P20:17
infinity(brain... need... lunch)20:17
infinityAnyhow, should someone accept livecd-rootfs, then cdimage/debian-cd need to be pulled in production to match.20:18
infinityAnd vice-verse, for that matter. :P20:18
infinitys/accept/copy/20:18
ScottKWhat's the action when a package in -updates is found to have a regression (see Bug #1014570).20:31
ubot2Launchpad bug 1014570 in bzr "bzr: Unable to sign commits: "no terminal at all requested"" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101457020:31
ScottKSqueeze jelmer until a fix pops out comes to mind, but I'd probably need help.20:32
ScottK(nevermind the annoyance that the bug about the regression got file a week ago, but no one bothers to mention about it in any of the SRU bugs until just AFTER I copy it to updates.20:33
DavieyScottK: I don't think this situation is well described TBH.. As a user, i'd be frustrated that my workflow is regressed on the basis of fixing someone elses (i generally don't use an agent.)20:40
ScottKDaviey: I agree.20:41
Daviey~2 more hours on powerpc linux build21:24
balloonsso confirmed respins of everything occurring yes? Can we update the notice board when it occurs please?21:40
Davieyballoons: sorry, notice board?21:47
RiddellDaviey: any kubuntu images on their way?22:31
DavieyRiddell: kernel still not ready, so no22:36
Daviey:(22:36
Riddellrighty ho22:37
Riddellbut you don't get to go to sleep until it is ready to go :)22:37
balloonsDaviey, sorry.. Yes, the notice board is on the isotracker22:54
cjwatsoninfinity: I made a crontab change to cdimage, but just deployed it live since you said you didn't want the lowlatency fix rolled out yet22:57
cjwatsonbut it's in bzr too22:57
cjwatson(fixing precise livefses to build with -proposed, which I forgot when I made the other -proposed changes to precise earlier)22:57
infinitycjwatson: Mmkay.23:05
infinitycjwatson: When the kernel's ready to copy, I'll pick up the studio bits as well, and pull cdimage and debian-cd to match.23:05
slangasekwhy does launchpad show a delta from 0.156.14.2 to 0.156.14.6 for update-manager, instead of from .14.5?  Is it because the latter versions were not yet published to -updates when .6 was uploaded to the queue?23:12
RAOFslangasek: It's because .14.5 is in -security; that's the diff from what's currently in -updates23:12
slangasekno, .5 is also in -updates23:12
infinityslangasek: It's a diff from what was last in -proposed.23:13
slangasekok23:13
RAOFThat's what I meant :)23:13
infinityslangasek: Known bug.23:14
slangasekright-o23:14
infinityslangasek: And stupidly annoying. :/23:14
Davieyinfinity: Are you pushing a d-i no-change?23:18
infinityDaviey: No-change?  It's an ABI bump.23:18
infinityDaviey: But yes, I'm doing a new d-i after I copy the kernel.23:19
Davieycjwatson: Why did you change livefses to build from proposed ?  Doesn't that make the landscape identical to release pocket?23:19
DavieyIe, inconsistent binaries across arches?23:19
Davieyinfinity: Okay, once that is published, do you want to kick off cd builds.. meaning i can go to bed? :)23:20
infinityDaviey: For point-releases, we start with proposed, and move to updates as we get closer to release day.23:20
Davieyinfinity: Ah!  My bad, i thought cjwatson was talking about Quantal23:20
DavieyI now see he mentioned precise.23:21
cjwatsonCorrect.23:22
Davieyslangasek: I think that was a bug i raised some time ago... bug 680911?23:23
ubot2Launchpad bug 680911 in launchpad "Diff generation in the proposed pocket should consider the updates pocket even when there are previous proposed publications." [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68091123:23
slangasekah, so :)23:23
infinityTurns out that syncpackage has the same bug.23:23
slangasekright23:23
DavieyI almost wet myself when i saw a diff of something i uploaded.. 1 line change turned into 100's :)23:24
cjwatsonMay not be in the same place in syncpackage.  For uploads, try lib/lp/archiveuploader/nascentupload.py:NascentUpload.getSourceAncestry.23:26
cjwatsonI think.23:26
Davieyinfinity: To confirm, you are copying linux to release pocket, handling a d-i upload, then triggering respins?23:26
infinityDaviey: Certainly the first two, but sure, I can do the latter as well.23:27
cjwatsonAnd yeah, as Julian says, there's a smarter pocket->list(pocket) map in lp.soyuz.adapters.archivedependencies23:27
infinitycjwatson: Sorry, I meant the same misfeature, not necessarily the same bug.23:27
Davieyinfinity: Well, if you are happy to, it unblocks me on slumber.23:27
infinityDaviey: Given that you're old enough to be in danger of wetting yourself while reading diffs, you probably need your sleep.23:28
cjwatsonThere's a near-parallel in lp.soyuz.model.queue.23:28
cjwatsonWhich *might* be what syncpackage ends up caring about; I haven't tracked all that down.23:28
Davieyinfinity: this beauty doesn't maintain itself.23:28
xnoxso we are still waiting for kernel.... me wants to test raid.... oh well. Will it be ready for European breakfast time?23:28
infinityDaviey: It certainly appears not to, no.23:28
infinityDaviey: Err, I mean.23:29
infinityDaviey: Go sleep.23:29
Davieyxnox: If all goes well, yes.23:29
xnoxDaviey: ok. I will go sleep then.23:29
Davieynn all23:29
Daviey(thanks infinity)23:30
xnoxDaviey: good night =) me off as well23:30
infinitycjwatson: Was the new ubiquity targetted at A2?23:58
infinitycjwatson: Ahh, I see Oli mentioning he needs it for the ARM bits.  Grabbing that with the kernels, then.23:59

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