[21:49] <MageofHope> Anyone alive in here?
[21:57] <cnd> MageofHope: yes?
[21:58] <MageofHope> I wanted to ask if anyone's gotten touchegg to work in Ubuntu 12.04, and also if 12.04's Unity multitouch features are broken by default for some reason, since they dont seem to work for me
[21:58] <MageofHope> ive been looking around but information on multitouch as of now seems pretty vague for synaptic touchpads
[22:09] <cnd> MageofHope: first, we need to check if you have a fully multitouch device
[22:09] <cnd> MageofHope: please pastebin the output of "xinput list --long"
[22:39] <MageofHope> http://pastebin.com/nCZXq2jz here you go, cnd
[22:39] <MageofHope> I should mention, on Windows I have support for up to three finger mouse gestures
[22:39] <MageofHope> including three finger tap and pinch
[22:43] <cnd> MageofHope: ok, your trackpad only reports two touch locations, and then it says how many total touches are on the device, either 3 or 5
[22:43] <MageofHope> I see. So how do I enable the other touches? If I'm understanding you correctly, I mean
[22:44] <cnd> so the problem is that the hardware is kinda dumb
[22:44] <cnd> there's no way for it to report more than two touch locations
[22:44] <cnd> now, there are ways of extrapolating information
[22:44] <cnd> for example, if you know that both touches are moving downward, and that there are a total of three touches
[22:44] <cnd> then you can guess that all three are moving downward
[22:45] <cnd> but we don't have any such extrapolation in our gesture framework
[22:45] <MageofHope> I see
[22:45] <MageofHope> So in short, there's no real way to get those multi touch features with my touchpad?
[22:46] <cnd> not without adding functionality to utouch :)
[22:46] <MageofHope> :(
[22:46] <cnd> I have a similar trackpad
[22:46] <MageofHope> So even if I got touchegg working on my laptop, the gestures wouldnt work?
[22:46] <cnd> so I feel your pain
[22:46] <cnd> not the unity gestures, nor any gestures > 2 touches
[22:46] <cnd> and even with 2 touches, you would first have to disable two-touch scrolling and tap to click
[22:47] <MageofHope> dang
[22:47] <cnd> because the X server and synaptics input module gets in the way
[22:47] <MageofHope> I see :( okay
[22:47] <MageofHope> So how's the future looking for this? Is it reasonable to hope that these issues are fixed in the near future, maybe via utouch's ppa?
[22:48] <cnd> sorry I don't have better info...
[22:48] <MageofHope> The main reason i ask is this...hang on let me
[22:48] <MageofHope> get the link
[22:48] <cnd> MageofHope: I don't think anyone at Canonical is working on it
[22:48] <cnd> we have a bug open for it
[22:48] <MageofHope> http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/technology/touchpad-linux
[22:48] <cnd> and we'd gladly accept contributions :)
[22:48] <MageofHope> This seems to imply synaptic is actively working on it but??? theres nothing concrete :(
[22:49] <cnd> that's for the >2 touch issue
[22:49] <cnd> the X issue isn't a rather intractable problem that will likely only be solved when we move to wayland
[22:49] <cnd> MageofHope: so synaptics has a binary linux module
[22:49] <MageofHope> I see
[22:49] <cnd> they don't provide any help with open source stuff though...
[22:50] <cnd> we've had to reverse engineer support
[22:50] <MageofHope> Yeah but is it possible to install the proprietary synaptics module? I dont think it works the same way as it does from graphic drivers, or this kind of thing would already be implemented into hardware drivers
[22:50] <MageofHope> but i thought it'd be fair to ask
[22:52] <MageofHope> Alternate question; What is Wayland and when is Ubuntu going to move to it?
[22:53] <MageofHope> sorry to drown you in questions like this, I'm just
[22:53] <MageofHope> confused and trying to understand the full scene for the near future with this
[23:19] <cnd> MageofHope: tbh, I have no idea how the proprietary drivers work
[23:19] <cnd> np about the questions :)
[23:20] <cnd> sorry about the high latency :)
[23:20] <cnd> Wayland is supposed to be a modern replacement for X
[23:20] <MageofHope> its okay. I see.