[00:30] Most likley Marketing God Ryan Singer [00:30] Maybe on Nixie making it up to it [00:50] philipballew, the book are on the Oreilly site- as in we make requests of books- they can give most of what they have [00:51] a few titles they can not do it [00:51] So its best to request more [00:52] They would like people to post reviews of thge books. [00:52] They wont hunt us down and beat us if we dont, but I have noticed they will send more of them quickly when they see reviews happen [00:52] Its not just this group [00:53] They help many LUGS and othe computer clubs with more than 8 people [00:53] might be 6 - im not sure [07:36] gnight folks === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [17:00] MarkDude, but you can bitch about Bash ;) [17:01] better than bashing payback for being a bitch [17:02] please watch your language folks, we have a diverse crowd here [17:03] не уже ли [17:07] scientes, my intent was to bash Fedora there :D [17:07] Great concept, sorta falls apart on usuability [17:07] lol [17:08] Bitch is mostly reserved as an *empowering word* [17:08] Thats a safer usage of it. When used as a putdown- not so good [17:08] please don't use it at all here [17:10] yes, please substitute "female dog" like some forum software automatically does :P [17:10] * MarkDude does not plan to - but, still knows that it is ok in some uses. Sorta like using gay as a descriptor, or a pejorative. Or discussing the aawesome magazine that uses the name. OR how my Mom used to use it [17:10] "gay" means "merry" [17:12] Gay means dudes that date dudes- its cool [17:13] The Castro- is hella gay [17:13] description [17:14] Or "it must not be offensive if I misspell it", like "ghey" or "phat". [17:15] akk, true [17:15] * MarkDude used to use the word lame to describe uncool stuff- no longer does that :) [17:17] pleia2: LOL I got ocelot shirts :) [17:18] bkerensa: hah, not surprised, we got meerkat ones pretty late once [17:18] but the ocelot shirts rock! [17:18] pleia2: yeah... I responded to Jas and asked if maybe CD's are coming in a seperate box.... [17:19] If I remember correctly though the CD's and Swag come from two different countries [17:19] yeah, I think so [17:19] * MarkDude will need a few CDs for the next event- if possible :) [17:20] MarkDude: that's fine, just let me know more than a day before the event ;) [17:20] Cool, ty [17:20] I'm going to be out of town Jul 4-9 and my schedule all around then is crazy busy [17:20] (including now) [17:20] Where ya headed? [17:20] Maine, visiting family [17:21] MarkDude: yeah if my CD's get here in time you can have a few too to take with yah [17:21] MarkDude: I confirmed valorie will be at CLS [17:21] right on- bkerensa I will have some media for you also [17:21] kk [17:22] bkerensa, you should write a blogpost for TOSW [17:22] About the way you have grown the Oregon Team [17:22] TOSW? [17:22] The Open Source Way [17:22] oh... is that the redhat book? [17:23] it will be made into a book, and all contribs will get a copy [17:23] It started as that. then Karsten decided it needed not only other FOSS examples in it- [17:24] hah :P I might have to [17:24] it needs Non-FOSS examples too. From churches, civic groups, etc [17:24] * bkerensa is working on a article for Linux Journal atm and I might miss my deadline on it =s [17:24] Embedded Linux Article :P [17:25] Well, many in Fedora are aware of your actions in Oregon, and know that those that pay attention can learn fromn it [17:25] And TOSW is a good example of looking for things in common :) [17:25] Besides, being in a book would be fun [17:26] * MarkDude is sure you are prolly working on like 5 of them now :D [17:26] nah I dont want to ever write a book ;) [17:28] MarkDude: Did you get a new copy of Firefox which landed for Android today? http://mzl.la/Firefox-Android-US [17:28] [R: www.mozilla.org] Title: [Error reading title] [17:29] * MarkDude will put it on his phone now [17:32] bkerensa, do you mean armv6 builds? [17:33] cause fireox for android has been around for a while, and i assume it auto-updates [17:34] Well there was a big announcement [17:34] native UI? [17:34] which is actually quite annoying, cause im using firefox mobile on GNU/Linux, and that has now been deprecated [17:34] b/c of native ui [17:35] if you build aurora you can get gstreamer+h264 support (youtube) [17:35] scientes: its a new version with a improved UI and backend [17:35] MarkDude: Swagger like this? http://i.imgur.com/jJuSP.jpg [17:35] Content type: [image/jpeg] Size: [124475] [17:36] bkerensa, well, i run firefox nightly.... [17:36] scientes: there is no nightly for android [17:36] :D [17:36] bkerensa, you are effin' fancy with all of that [17:36] * MarkDude only has stickers and pens at the moment [17:36] MarkDude: Ikr now I need to hope to get rid of all of it at CLS/OSCON =s [17:36] And hella *small shirts* [17:36] heh [17:37] Yeah I also got funding from Mozilla pending [17:37] Of course you do..... [17:37] so I can do a MozCoffee during OSCON [17:37] You are hella fancy with them also :) [17:37] bkerensa, https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/latest-mozilla-central-android/fennec-16.0a1.multi.android-arm.apk [17:37] Content type: [application/vnd.android.package-archive] Size: [19273890] [17:37] ba-da-boom! [17:37] darthrobot, - MarkDude is not impressed with your announce skills [17:37] MarkDude: Error: "-" is not a valid command. [17:38] .fight darthrobot Eureka [17:38] * MarkDude has money on Eureka [17:38] scientes: ahh I thought you mean from Play/Android Market [17:38] scientes: I wonder if they actually build that daily from our repos though? [17:39] bkerensa, same build system as desktop firefox [17:39] android isn't self hosting [17:39] then yeah thats pretty much nightly [17:39] unless slater didnt have a build made last night [17:39] " 26-Jun-2012 04:02 18M " [17:40] * scientes is a dutiful bug reporter [17:41] good stuff [17:41] scientes: do you go to any Moz events in California? I'm not sure who the Moz Rep is down there [17:42] let me know [17:42] and even bug fixer: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a19f0356c09d [17:42] Title: [mozilla-central: changeset 94466:a19f0356c09d] [17:42] MarkDude: I'm going to see if Ross will pay for our booth power again this year [17:42] in fact I need to e-mail him now [17:42] Ross Turk? [17:43] You dont need power there- just get batteries [17:43] * MarkDude can file a ticket if you like. Fedora would pay for your power if needed :) [17:44] MarkDude: I need 15amps [17:44] They offered to pay me back for the media that MarkDude paid out of his own pocket that yokozar got for the Ubuntu booth 2 years ago [17:44] thats $250 or something [17:44] yeah will Canonical is not going to do that... at least I dont think so [17:44] * MarkDude can go loook in a RH couch for that [17:45] If it was a Mozilla booth then it would be no problem ;) [17:45] * bkerensa thinks Mozilla has more coin then Canonical sometimes [17:45] If Ross wont, I can see about asking some others, let me know [17:45] he will [17:45] he offered at UDS [17:45] * MarkDude thinks Canonical has plenty of coin- they are just really smart with it [17:50] Mozilla has more coin, Google coin [17:52] MarkDude: ^ [17:54] * MarkDude was not saying who has MORE- just that Canonical is doing fine [17:55] And most likely will have the amount growing by end of year- if not sooner [18:00] No doubt :) especially with them making milestones like passing RHEL/CentOS in amount of SMB File Servers ;p [18:02] Good morning CA people! [18:03] RH needs a fire under its ass. Ubuntu and Canonical are good for ALL of FOSS [18:03] hey there philipballew [18:04] Seems like I'm seeing more anti-ubuntu sentiment from RH people lately. [18:04] (not you, of course, MarkDude) [18:05] akk, not me of course- I am still known *as the Ubuntu guy over there* [18:05] akk, well, the unity/gnome-shell and systemd/console-kit stuff is not pretty for anyone [18:05] As well as Fedora's Jono (which I choose to take as a complimnet ) [18:06] Oh, sure, there are lots of people mad about unity etc., but I meant more general stuff against the distro, not against specific software. [18:06] * MarkDude was accused of being under Mark S's charms [18:06] bkerensa, except that ubuntu was pretty slow with the SMB remote root exploit [18:06] (granted the patch was massive, and a PITA) [18:06] Hating Unity might make sense- if there were not other awesome choices for Ubuntu [18:06] There ARE. [18:07] For what its worth- plenty of folks dont like Gnome3- just as much [18:07] MarkDude, unity is actually gnome 3, but with unity [18:07] the differentiator is gnome-shell [18:07] scientes, details, details [18:07] if you had to choose between unity and unity, which would you pick? [18:08] Thats sorta my point [18:08] Maybe the biggest advantage of using a different windowmanager is that you're immune to the "what crazy thing will ubuntu do next with the default desktop" hassles. :) [18:08] DonkeyHotei, MarkDude would use Windows [18:08] [18:08] akk, how about the "what will they break next in the non-default path, that i will have to bitch about to get fixed" ;P [18:09] Windows 3.1.1- (the .1 for networking) [18:09] scientes, words [18:09] scientes: Well, yeah, I do definitely have to deal with those hassles, it's true. [18:09] avoid the B one [18:09] oh, yeah, my bad [18:09] and that wasn't even for poetry's sake [18:09] i meant, whine [18:09] Unless its a relevant link from bitchmagazine [18:10] * MarkDude doubts there are any [18:10] scientes: And that can get pretty annoying sometimes ... but I think it might be less annoying than "my whole desktop has changed out from under me". [18:19] Unity is pretty nice... [18:19] * philipballew runs and hides [18:20] systemd is getting some significant uptake [18:20] * scientes still has a suspicion that canonical is just waiting for the rough spots of systemd to get worked out before switching [18:20] Unity will be perfect fro Ubuntu TVs, as well as some tablets [18:20] IMHO [18:21] MarkDude, i have a bug with unity+on-screen keyboard [18:21] report it [18:21] i did [18:22] but until that is fixed, no go for touchscreen-only w/ unity-3d (fine with unity-2d) [18:23] Its all duct tape for now- by early next year- Unity will be looked at as genius [18:23] They have a few critical bugs to address [18:23] You could switch to a Windows8 surface tablet. [18:25] OH U [18:25] I dont think you should really bash any distro myself. or bash a distro by a company supporting it if you do not like the company, or its leader. [18:26] I cant't say Fedora sucks because I think Red Hat sucks imho [18:26] philipballew, I see it this way- Its like me being Italian- its cool if I make dago jokes- since I OWN the term. [18:26] or Ubuntu sucks because Mark Shuttleworth is not my kind of person. Saying that is not a valid argument imho. [18:26] Cool for me to insult Fedora [18:27] Agreed [18:27] * MarkDude is big Mark S supporter- his vision is awesome [18:27] I can make redneck jokes since he has a car packed in his lawn with 6 foot high grass. [18:27] *i have a car parked in my [18:27] lol [18:28] * MarkDude also makes white people jokes too [18:29] I try to not get upset at any joke someone makes as long as it's a joke and not a statement is disguise. [18:29] Sometimes comments are fact based- like saying Fedora is harder to use- due to its stance on free stuff. Installfests are sometimes needed. With Ubuntu- that would almost be silly- since it *truly does just work* :) [18:30] * MarkDude will still continue to joke that Mark S has his own island, like a James Bond villian. People with jumpsuits with Ubuntu logos and wearing jetpacks [18:30] Interviews held over a sharktank with a button he can push to drop them :D [18:31] You should ask him that on the ask mark day each six months [18:32] Well. Maybe not. [18:33] * MarkDude already asked one question - it turned into a *a thing* [18:33] * MarkDude changes subject [18:33] * DonkeyHotei changes verb [18:33] Actually he has a great sense of humor, and would find it amusing [18:34] I like people with a scene of humor. Your not walking on egg shells as much [18:35] ain't it great to be a part of the humor scene? [18:37] lol [18:37] Well there is a fine line there [18:37] * DonkeyHotei erases it [18:37] * MarkDude likes outrageaous humor, and needs to remind himself of community standards [18:40] Black humor [18:40] * MarkDude prefers term blue humor [18:41] alright, but black humor is the correct term though :) [18:45] i use the term dark humor [18:46] Understandable. [18:47] philipballew: thanks for handling the meeting stuff :) [18:47] no problem! [18:47] the new forms layout messed me up! [18:50] I was disappointed when the forms person was desgining the icons for the site during uds [18:50] with cs5 [18:50] in osx [18:55] Topic for #ubuntu-us-ca is: Welcome to the Ubuntu California Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Website: http://ubuntu-california.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next Meeting: Sunday, July 1st, 7:00pm PDT | This channel is publicly logged at irclogs.ubuntu.com | We have an unlogged channel at #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic [18:55] Title: [Ubuntu California Team | California Team] === philipballew changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-ca to: Topic for #ubuntu-us-ca is: Welcome to the Ubuntu California Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Website: http://ubuntu-california.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next Meeting: Sunday, July 1st, 7:00pm PDT | This channel is publicly logged at irclogs.ubuntu.com | We have an unlogged channel at #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic [18:55] nice! [18:57] MarkDude: you need to give me more warning for events ;) I'm speaking at ITT Tech on Thursday [18:58] Theres an event this Thursday? [18:59] pleia2, I know- it was a short notice one [18:59] philipballew, a bbq in Danville if you can make it to my place [19:00] scientes, if you want also [19:01] grantbow, you should come too [19:01] yes i;d like to be there [19:02] Ill be there [19:03] probably... [19:08] The only thing is- you need to have a fake name to tell the gaurd shack. We use animal and pet names, as well as stripper names [19:08] Peaches, bubbles, Mr Whiskers, etc [19:09] 95%+ of visitors play the game [19:09] * MarkDude is on golf course [19:09] * scientes will think about a stripper name [19:09] I was told at school my stripper name would be fell-er-up. [19:10] * MarkDude would use Mr Whiskers [19:10] Or maybe Jonny Nicewonger [19:10] ahh i've got it [19:11] now i just have to remember it ;) [19:11] Sounds good to me [19:11] grantbow, for example has to say his name is Dangerous G- or they wont let him in [19:13] Candy is no longer taken, as well as peaches or Old Yeller [19:14] you guys are making me really uncomfortable, can you please stop or take this elsewhere? [19:15] MarkDude: ^ [19:15] not cool [19:16] and i should know; i make people uncomfortable just by existing [19:16] ok. [19:16] And no DonkeyHotei you dont [19:16] some people i do [19:17] Huh only $545.00 for internet at OSCON [19:17] :D [19:17] all joking aside- you are good about taking others into account [19:17] bkerensa: at a booth/table? [19:17] pleia2: yep just got our powered pay for by a sponsor now I need to figure out internet again [19:18] :D [19:18] bkerensa: yowch :) how much is power? [19:18] Power was only $100 [19:18] $98 to be specific [19:18] * pleia2 nods [19:18] that's not so bad [19:18] last year it was like $300 though because we had to pay the floor rate [19:18] =/ [19:18] * bkerensa blames MarkDude [19:19] ;p [19:19] The messenger? [19:19] Hah [19:19] Rumor has it Distros will be there due to some Twitter account.... [19:19] pleia2: he kids ^.... last year he was like hey we have a booth at oscon who wants to run it because im gonna be busy (he gave us like one day notice) [19:19] :D [19:19] * pleia2 facepalm [19:19] :P [19:20] last 2 years Ubuntu had a table due to me [19:20] better yet nobody even knew Ubuntu had a booth [19:20] :D [19:20] ah, fun [19:20] 2 years ago- while in Fedora [19:20] * MarkDude hlped run the Ubuntu table [19:20] * bkerensa remembers asking Mark... so who did you talk to to arrange all this... he was like i have no idea but marsee will help us [19:20] facepalm [19:20] not actually true Ben [19:20] The goto person was changed [19:20] MarkDude: was it Jon? [19:21] oh [19:21] we've had issues with coordinating scale, but it always works out in the end [19:21] they added formalities over the last two years [19:21] yeah idk... I guess that sounds about right [19:21] Can you just teather from someones cell phone? [19:21] I have been handed off to like 5 people so far [19:21] 1 person to sign contracts... another to send logos to.... another for booth... etc etc [19:21] :D [19:21] this year I ended up being the booth leader, not quite sure how that happened [19:22] it was too much though, I also gave two talks that weekend [19:22] philipballew: Generally O'Reilly offers wifi but it is PITA [19:22] * pleia2 slept4week after [19:22] philipballew: I think Im going to get a Sprint mobile hotspot [19:22] (not really, but I did get sick) [19:22] philipballew: you talk to Mark about a ride yet? :) [19:23] Meeting for funding is tonight [19:23] MarkDude: :P [19:23] 6pm- you are welcome to attend [19:23] LOL [19:24] They like you there [19:24] * bkerensa is not a Fedoroan [19:24] * philipballew runs fedora 17 [19:24] >.< [19:24] * MarkDude runs Win & [19:24] 7 [19:24] oh, are all you guys in Portland now? [19:24] and photoshop [19:24] * MarkDude is EVIL [19:24] scientes: just me [19:24] Public Service anouncement: this is the #ubuntu-us-CA channel, so GTFO :P [19:24] * bkerensa should go down to Voodoo Donuts [19:25] rofl [19:25] scientes: peh my family has been in California since the 1899 ;) [19:25] bkerensa, arn't those horizontal escalators fun? [19:26] in the airport [19:29] scientes: idk I have never used one [19:31] didn't you come through the PDX airport? or did you drive? [19:31] / train [19:47] scientes: come through what? I live in Portland [19:51] The dream of the 90' is alive in Portland [19:53] You need to ride a freakbike while there [19:53] And eat food from a bike foodcart [19:59] I am currently in the process myself of welding two bike frames together to make a double decker bike MarkDude [20:01] philipballew: just let me know when you got solid plans and I can add you to the roster [20:04] okay. sounds good. [20:04] at scale, the convention started friday. [20:04] Got solid plans Thursday morning [20:07] but dont worry, I'll be there. [20:07] philipballew: OSCON starts Monday and CLS Saturday [20:07] So Sa, Su and M-F [20:08] i just wonder if MarkDude will have a penguin suit [20:09] I could wear a orange ubuntu colored suit. That would be funny [20:10] * MarkDude should put a rush order for suit today [20:38] pleia2: If California does any packaging and such our server should be colo'ed soon and we will likely have a instance available for you guys to use for bug jams. [20:38] * bkerensa is stoked about this :) were going to have our own xen box :d [20:38] bkerensa: nope, we've done testing jams before though [20:39] but those just use the qa tracker and launchpad, no server space needed :) [20:39] thanks though, if there is something folks want to work on that needs a server and ours isn't a good option, we'll keep you in mind [20:40] kk [21:47] Yay, Phillip can make it [21:47] The other phillip (tribble) [21:58] So MarkDude danville's by livermore right? [21:59] nope [22:00] Well it sorta is [22:00] in the same tri-valley [22:00] San Ramon is next to it [22:00] AKA San Remote [22:07] sent FB invite philipballew [22:07] so probably hit the 680 and just go down... [22:07] Phillip- meet phillip [22:07] It is a nice name [22:08] phil... phil [22:08] * MarkDude is sure he agrees [23:00] MarkDude: this year I think Im going to stay till the end of each party except puppetlabs [23:00] :D [23:00] my place is only a handful of blocks from OCC [23:09] cool [23:09] party at bkerensa 's house [23:10] nah [23:10] :P [23:10] * MarkDude will make the FB event now [23:21] Ain't no party like a bkerensa party cause a bkerensa party don't stop! [23:23] philipballew: you can bring the juice ;) [23:33] I do enjoy apple juice