[04:23] Hi. I've recently installed Ubuntu Studio 12.04 but it didn't start Jack. I've found the solution: [04:24] I've added my user to audio group. [04:24] And renamed the file audio.conf.disabled (etc/security/limits.d) to audio.conf [04:24] Logout and Login. Now Jack is working. [04:24] Have someone access to the distribution for fix it? [07:30] Err... who entered us into Alpha-2? Scott? [07:33] We don't even have a currently building amd64 image, and on top of that we're having gnome-desktop seeded (due recommends). [07:34] I suppose it won't hurt, in the end, but I'm not sure, and I particularly wouldn't want to see it there, it is bloating our images, and every bit of cruft is a potential game-breaker. === TheDrums_ is now known as TheDrums === shnatsel is now known as SergeLion [11:59] Hrm... yet the iso seems to be there, despite the cdimage mail telling us it failed. [11:59] Well, I suppose we can participate after all. I'll announce it on the lists soon-ish. [12:01] len-dt: Len-nb: I'd appreciate your opinion of the sanity of this, though. I suppose you're the only one who has tested it somewhat extensively. [12:01] on the sanity* [13:14] astraljava, we can do that, but really we haven't done anything. All we are testing is that we are still at 12.04 [13:17] I didn't notice that there was more than one desktop. But everything seems to be there as before. [13:17] astraljava, I should also note I only have i386 HW. [13:33] len-dt: That's fine. But we're not actually testing that, we're testing the the Xfce 4.10 update hasn't given us grief in any way. [13:33] len-dt: I'll do the amd64 tests. [13:42] astraljava, ok, which date ISO should I use? I think I have been using june 24 [13:47] len-dt: In the iso.qa.ubuntu.com tracker the Alpha-2 images are from yesterday's build, 25th. [13:47] downloading... [13:47] len-dt: Mind you, the testcases are most likely rubbish. We're re-doing them on the Xubuntu side. Once I get them semi-finished, I'll look over Studio's and see how they correlate. [13:49] I probably should pay more attention to Studio, but I don't have any titles over on this side of the pond. :D [13:49] astraljava, Shh, you might get some... [13:50] astraljava, how do we put settings in that require the change of a file installed by other packages? [13:54] astraljava, we have made some things available with our kernel, but not set the permissions. I would like to see swappiness changed as well. [13:54] Right now midi programs do not have access to the high precision timers. [14:02] len-dt: I don't know, really. I'll have to read about it. At some point the recommendation was dpkg-divert, but that's history. I'm not sure what needs to be used now. [14:19] len-dt: for what it may be worth, you _could_ correspond with ralph from the mailing list, he's a little different but appears to be fairly knowledgeable, especially about MIDI and timers and jitter [14:20] anybody testing the QA images yet? [14:20] i will start tonight === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox [15:56] scott-work: I'll try to give the amd64 ones a spin. [15:56] scott-work: Did you enroll us to the milestone? [15:58] astraljava: i believe we are enrolled into the milestones by default and must actively remove ourselves if we choose [16:07] scott-work: Ahh... ok. skaet was just asking explicitly from me over on the Xubuntu side, maybe there was a reason. :) [16:11] astraljava: i don't know about that, hmmmmm [18:16] astraljava: skaet hit me up for the A2 milestone :P [18:26] Ok, and what was your decision? Keeping it? [18:31] yeah, i think we should do it even though there really isn't anything really to "check" as new items or features [18:31] of course there are still the "plumbing" that changes often and might cause some issues [18:31] if you are going to do the 64bit then i'll hit the 32bit images [18:50] scott-work, I have downloaded the 32 bit. I'll print and test in a few minutes.. [18:54] scott-work: Do you know why today's images were added as the Alpha-2 images? [18:54] astraljava, I was about to ask which ones I should test :) [18:55] len-dt: Well, I hope you didn't get to the tests yet with the now outdated images. :) [18:56] I was just about to print the iso, but there is a june 26... [18:56] The testing tracker says the 26th is the one to use. [18:56] Yep. [18:56] When did alpha 1 get done? [18:57] It didn't. [18:57] Or do you mean in general? [18:57] I think it was early June. [18:57] Ah, ok. [18:58] Downloading todays image [19:00] How come there is a fail report on the list astraljava, and yet an ISO too? [19:00] I'm not seeing any reports. [19:01] Both products have 0/2 in Mandatory column. [19:02] astraljava, no I mean in the email list there is a fail report generated at 11.19 today (probably PDT) [19:02] As in fail to build. [19:02] LiveFS ubuntustudio-dvd/quantal/i386 failed to build on 20120626 [19:03] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [19:03] linux-lowlatency-pae : Depends: linux-image-lowlatency-pae (= 3.5.0.1.1) but it is [19:03] not going to be installed [19:03] Oh, yeah. *shrug* there was one yesterday for amd64, yet there was an image for it. [19:11] rtg should've fixed the meta package when he uploaded it [19:12] there should no longer be a pae variant in the meta since there's no longer a pae variant built by the kernel [19:12] astraljava: can you file a bug and subscribe rtg? [19:13] micahg: Yes of course, thanks for the update. [19:13] *pae named variant, i386 is PAE [19:14] the seeds will need an update as well as an ubuntustudio-meta upload when the lowlatency-meta is fixed [19:14] Yep, was just about to head on that direction. [19:20] astraljava, the kernel in the ISO is the old 3.2 one, but is still low lat. [19:25] i386 live session passed. [19:27] micahg: I'm assuming rtg is "serc (rtg)" on LP? [19:27] astraljava: no [19:27] astraljava: timg-tpi [19:28] astraljava: scratch that, it was infinity :)( [19:29] Adam? [19:29] yeah [19:29] Thanks. bug #1018075 [19:29] Launchpad bug 1018075 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "quantal still wants linux-lowlatency-pae on i386 even when that variant has gone away already" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1018075 [19:30] astraljava, when you test the 64bit ISO please look at the menus in nautilus. They look "funny" to me. [19:31] micahg: Does the line " * (linux-headers-lowlatency) [i386 amd64]" look alright to you? I mean, does it need both archs now that the package name is the same for both of them? [19:32] len-dt: Ok, but I might get there tomorrow only, I'm afraid the new images will take a while and I'd need to sleep (probably) during the night. :) [19:32] astraljava: yeah, I don't think you need the archs listed, you can look at the history of the file to be sure [19:33] micahg: I'm confused because I see:" * (usb-creator-gtk) [i386 amd64]" [19:34] hrm, maybe you do, idr, ISTR germinate will DTRT though since the other archs aren't in the archive [19:34] Ok, I'll purge them. [19:35] skaet just mentioned that they will be respinning our images for a new kernel, not sure the backstory on that though [19:36] scott-work: It was just being taken care of. :) [19:36] oh, good :) [19:37] astraljava, If your menus in nautilus look funny, confirm bug #1018080 [19:37] Launchpad bug 1018080 in ubuntustudio-look (Ubuntu) "colours in some applications menus looks wrong" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1018080 [19:38] scott-work: The details were that the -meta still had -pae variant for i386, it's now removed. I filed the bug #1018075 as per micahg's instructions (thanks!), and updated the seeds regarding the headers accordingly. [19:38] Launchpad bug 1018075 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "quantal still wants linux-lowlatency-pae on i386 even when that variant has gone away already" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1018075 [19:38] astraljava: except you missed the part about the lowlatency-meta :) [19:39] Err... ok, sorry about that. I'll change the package on the bug. :) [19:39] astraljava: you might want to poke infinity in -release since it's a blocker [19:39] astraljava: no, you need both [19:39] I added the task already [19:41] Alright, thanks. /me is still learning when it comes to kernels (especially) [19:43] scott-work, BTW, I also see: (apport-gtk:3981): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: misc.css:80:18: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'. [19:43] I don't know if this is anything to do with the theme change or not. [19:44] len-live: i don't know, it might be an issue with apport [19:44] len-live: Btw. I'm already having problems with nautilus on precise, once we're past this milestone I'm gonna have to look into that. [19:44] astraljava: and apparently I forgot about the 3 other places that need to be fixed :) [19:45] micahg: Noticed, but we can't touch those anyway, can we? :) [19:45] Ok, on to install test. [19:46] astraljava: I can touch some of them :), but I'll leave it to infinity, and he's right, we need transitional packages [19:46] True dat, also. [19:47] micahg: scott-work: len-live: I'll be taking a nap now. I try to keep it short, so if you need something done, I'll see it in a few. Otherwise, I think we can proceed now. Thanks everyone so far! [19:48] * micahg should be around for another few hours working [19:49] astraljava, micahg proceed? Is there another ISO roll? or can I continue with the one I have? [19:50] len-live: there will be another, but you probably want to test what you have in case there are bugs in non-kernel related things [19:50] ok micahg installing now. [19:52] scott-work, The background for the text is also the wrong colour on ubiquity. [19:57] len-live: hmmm, that's disappointing because i thought we had worked through that before [19:58] scott-work, Remember we have xfce 4.10 now. Themeing may have changed [19:59] Some apps are still ok (Xchat for example) [20:01] micahg, what package would I put a kernel module (ath9k) bug under? [20:01] should be linux I think [20:02] Ok, I wasn't sure if there was a second package of the modules. [20:02] not AFAICT [20:04] len-dt: ah hes, i had forgotten [21:04] micahg, Just installed ubuntustudio 12.10 alpha... tried ubuntu-bug linux. It says it can't report the bug because it is not an "official" ubuntu package :-) [21:04] Guess I have to wait for the reroll of the ISO before reporting that one. [21:04] len-dt: hrm, well, there was a meta bump already :( [21:05] yeah, that's a kernel bug though, so you might want to wait for the new one, what does uname -a say? [21:06] len@Ustudio1210:~$ uname -a [21:06] Linux Ustudio1210 3.2.0-23-lowlatency-pae #31-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Wed Apr 11 04:07:36 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux [21:06] yeah, no point in reporting that [21:06] at least on a quantal image [21:07] Thats what it builds with... so tha in itself is a bug. [21:07] But in progress I guess? [21:07] no, but the respin now will pick up 3.5 [21:08] do you know the eta? [21:08] nope [21:08] I won't wait then [21:11] micahg, will the respin still be alpha 2? [21:11] yes, alpha2 candidate [22:37] I guess we should think about what to do with -lowlatency? [22:38] Haven't read anything new from UTK for a while about it [23:29] ailo, if we will test against generic it will have to be 3.5. I don't know if any of the changes have affected low latency operation for good or bad. [23:33] We definately do need to test. I tried uploading the source to PPA a couple of weeks ago, but made a mistake. Haven't had time since. Will do it again later this week [23:34] I hope to start working on testing later this week, and also start looking at how we could improve the developer wiki [23:35] Time to start thinking about -controls as well, if that is to be included for next release [23:35] Been really busy :P [23:36] And the midsummer was long and hazy [23:36] I'm going to pursue becoming a member of the Debian Multimedia Team btw [23:36] Not going to happen over night though [23:37] ailo: lowlatency 3.5 is in the quantal repo now [23:37] micahg: I see. [23:38] But we will want to try some different cofigs nevertheless, so I will still upload to PPA later [23:39] Seems like UTK is maintaining -lowlatency for quantal then [23:41] The precise kernel is still not up to date, right? [23:41] 3.2.0-23 [23:43] Well, another day tomorrow :)