[00:02] neat, langpack support [00:40] ew: http://paste.kde.org/508526/ [00:40] wonder how I managed that... [00:41] oh, bug 1015567 [00:41] Launchpad bug 1015567 in dpkg (Ubuntu Quantal) "upgrade failed: mixed non-coinstallable and coinstallable package instances present" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1015567 [00:42] it's what I get for running quantal :P [00:57] well it was a nice 15 minute diversion [01:00] ...except for the part where I screw up my /var/lib/dpkg/status :D [01:43] Hey there, can someone help me to branch the kubuntu system documentation for Quantal? [01:45] yes [01:45] bra branch lp:kubuntu-docs should do it for you [01:45] ah silly autocorrect [01:46] bzr [01:47] Ah, that's the command I've been using, and that gives the Precise documentation. How do I get the Quantal documentation> [01:47] heh [01:47] hrmm i thought quantal was branched already [01:47] Thanks for adding me to ubuntu-core-doc, by the way. (: [01:48] I downloaded it and the About page still says Quantal. I know how to change it, but I wasn't sure whether I should, since that's till supported and can still be updated, right? [01:48] yes it can be still be updataed [01:48] hrmm it looks like no one branched it [01:48] That's what I figured. How hard is that to branch on the server? [01:49] i've never done it [01:49] sorry [01:49] Ah, that's okay - neither have I. Someone will know how it's done. (: [01:50] hrmm i'll look into it [01:50] I think I pick a bad time of day to get on here. It would probably be better to get on in the morning Eastern Standard Time. (: [01:51] yeah it might [01:51] i did add you to the core-doc group [01:51] so you have commit privileges [01:51] Yeah, thanks for that! [01:51] welcome [01:51] Does that also give me Kubuntu privileges, because that's what I really wanted. (: [01:51] * littlegirl is a Kubuntu girl all the way [01:51] yes you have rights to both ubuntu-docs and kubuntu-docs [01:51] My son uses Ubuntu, but I prefer Kubuntu. (: [01:52] What I could do, since I've got a copy of the Precise documents, is go ahead and start changing those over locally, and once they're branched I can grab them again, merge my changes into them here and then push to the server if you like. [01:52] yes you can [01:53] Once the branch is done, will it be a different bzr command to get to the Quantal docs, or will that stay the same? [01:53] bzr merge [01:54] No, I mean the bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs command, which currently leads to Precise documents. Will it be a new command to get to the Quantal docs, or will that one go to Quantal, and a different command take us to the Precise ones? [01:55] you will do a bzr merge lp:kubuntu-docs when it is quantal [01:55] the system will know that you are pushing to a new branch [01:56] Yeah, I guess what I'm trying to figure out is how you get to each separate branch, since I don't know the structure of the branches. (: [01:57] once the quantal branch is up you will do a bzr merge or bzr push lp:kubuntu-docs and for precise you would do bzr merge lp:kubuntu-docs/precise [01:58] Oh, that's perfect - thanks! [02:02] Well, thank you for all your hel, jjesse! I'll be on earlier tomorrow to see about getting this thing branched. (: [02:02] ok i'll reach out to Matthew East on the Ubuntu-Doc team and I'm sure he can figure it out :) [02:03] Cool. I've got Bazaar installed here locally, and I'm using it for all my version control, but my structure is a bit different from the Ubuntu structure, I'm sure. (: === cyphermox is now known as cyphermox_ === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox [02:23] jonathan@jonathan-laptop:/tmp$ sudo apt-get install -f [02:23] bash: /usr/bin/sudo: No such file or directory [02:23] :D [02:23] brb, reinstalling [02:38] Oh well, I hadn't reinstalled since the beginning of the oneiric cycle anyways :P [02:39] That was fast. (: [02:43] I'm downloading the ISO in windows :P [02:43] Oh, ew! [02:43] as long as I stay in Chrome the whole time I shouldn't know the difference! [02:44] LOL [02:44] Is this a laptop with Windows on it that will be getting Kubuntu on it? [02:45] yeah [02:46] It's dual-booted w/ a tiny partition for the windows side, and ext4 partitions for / and /home [02:47] Oh, that's cool. I did something similar with my HP laptop many years ago and it worked out great. (: [02:47] all I'll have to do is re-install over root, and reinstall a bunch of packages and I'll be back in business [02:47] Good. (: [02:48] yeah, I hose the system once every 2 or 3 cycles or so [02:49] not on purpose, of course, but it happens [02:49] Same. I keep the LTS releases on my system and wipe it and start over with a fresh one each time. (: [05:24] is the iso image size going to be larger now, officially? [06:08] claydoh: yes, but hopefully not as large as they currently are [06:09] debfx: thanks, could see where that was noted. WHat will be the official size once we get everything buttoned down? [06:09] * claydoh is just editing a wiki page, wondering if he should remove references to "CD" disks :) [06:10] the hard limit is 1GB [06:10] yeah, they are no CDs anymore [09:04] kubotu: newversion soprano 2.8 [09:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1018300 [09:47] wibble, polkit isn't working on usb-creator-kde [09:47] and usb-creator-gtk is just plain broken [09:47] polkit isn't working in muon either :( [10:15] So the Windows default power policy is such that you can't even leave it unattended *plugged in* for the amount of time it takes to download an ISO before it suspends, ruining your download. :/ [10:20] fail [10:29] yay polkit fixed itself in alpha 2 [10:33] !testers [10:33] Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, em [10:33] alpha 2 candidate ISO images need testing [10:36] ok [10:57] Riddell: it fails utterly for most non-ascii and is still vastly changing, so I think a package in the experimental ppa is of more use to us and upstream [10:57] shadeslayer: yeah, tell tdfischer to release 461 already [10:57] apachelogger: what's this? [10:57] oxygen font? [10:57] Riddell: oxygen font [10:57] right === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [11:30] is it just me or is the usb disk creator not working? [11:30] that is: erasing never finishes [11:52] apachelogger: right that's a bug I have [11:52] works with gtk ui -.- === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Status: http://goo.gl/ZGGJP | Packaging TODO: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | apachelogger: make KTP testing happening & fix usb-creator [11:52] actually [11:52] zsh: segmentation fault /usr/bin/usb-creator-gtk [11:52] ^^ [11:53] * apachelogger suspects oxygengtk [11:54] apachelogger: usb-creator-kde can be worked around by quitting and restarting [11:54] but it's a priority issue that [12:12] Riddell: it's in the backend it seems [12:12] it never calls the callback on success [12:13] also the code there is a bit fishy to begin with [12:13] def format_done(self, dev=None): [12:13] then it actually overloads dev with an iter [12:13] (i.e. completely ignores the arg) [12:16] Hiyas all [12:18] why does every distro have its own usb iso writing tool anyway? [12:20] Riddell: and then it gets duplicated entries in the device view -.- [12:20] debfx: do they? [12:21] what's the problem in ktp? [12:22] and then the backend falls over if you try to format the wrong entry [12:22] good lawd [12:23] at least fedora, opensuse and ubuntu have their own === ejat is now known as e-jat [12:24] cuz opensuse likes sane languages, cuz ubuntu likes silly languages, cuz fedora likes beautiful languages [12:24] I hope usb-creator has some safeguards so it doesn't wipe random partitions when it triggers one of its many bugs ;) [12:24] debfx: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/distributions is your friend [12:24] debfx: terribly unlikely [12:25] given that not even all sources of exceptions are handled [12:25] * apachelogger is sure that stuff will be left inconsistent when that happens [12:26] Riddell: how does the educated developer us kdebug in python? [12:35] apachelogger: I don't think I've ever used it [12:35] print statements work fine [12:35] hum [12:36] print is inferior to kdebug :P [12:36] yes [12:37] debfx: I don't think suse or fedora have usb writing tools, they just tell users to use dd [12:38] Riddell: no, they have GUI tools [12:39] i know the ubuntu images weren't hybrid images until recently so you couldn't do dd and that stopped sharing tools between distros [12:40] fedora's is written with pyqt4 but unfortunately it needs to be run as root [12:41] interesting, didn't know they were into pyqt [12:42] I just tried the netrunner image with usb-creator-kde and it just gives me a syslinux prompt that doesn't do anything [12:42] * shadeslayer looks at release schedule [12:42] starbuck: but I did try encrypted folder and it worked fine in 12.04 and 12.10 alpha [12:42] no time for testing :| [12:42] shadeslayer: what's releasing? [12:42] Riddell: alpha 2 [12:43] I have to leave for a wedding and tomorrow I have to go shopping for jussi and pack everything [12:43] hence, no time for alpha 2 testing [12:56] claydoh: how did you get on with alpha 2 notes? [12:58] oh boy oh boy [12:58] oh? [12:58] Riddell: seems to me http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/static/Docs/PyQt4/html/qtreewidget.html#removeItemWidget is kaput [12:59] doesn't actually remove the item, though it does something (i.e. if I call clear() first which will delete all items it will except) [12:59] which leads to the duplicated entries from what I understand [13:00] "Removes the widget set in the given item in the given column." that sounds like it removes a widget (e.g. a button) in the QWidgetListItem [13:00] except it does not [13:00] in the QTreeWidgetItem rather [13:01] apachelogger: do we have any widgets in QTreeWidgetItem ? [13:01] yeah, all the entries are treewidgetitems [13:02] but not QTreeWidgetItem with widgets inside them [13:02] should it not be using QTreeWidget.takeTopLevelItem ? [13:02] well, we already have the item [13:02] so it should work [13:03] but yeah, that function might be more appropriate [13:04] or just delete the QTreeWidgetItem I think [13:04] taketoplevel works [13:05] so either QTW refuses to remove toplevels via the remove function or it is defunct with pyqt [13:05] you misunderstand what removeItemWidget() does [13:06] if a QTreeWidgetItem has a widget (a button or drop down box or whatever) in it then it'll remove that [13:06] it doesn't remove the QTreeWidgetItem itself [13:06] crash [13:07] ah [13:07] uh [13:07] Riddell: yeah, now I get it [13:07] cheers :) [13:07] confusingly I can't find how you actually add a widget in an item in a widget [13:08] Riddell: you'd probably simply parent it [13:09] Riddell: QTreeWidgetItem ( QTreeWidget * parent, int type = Type ) [13:15] as always your's truely is in favor of rewriting the thing [13:15] at least so that it uses a proper model [13:16] it apparently now crashes because adding and removing the same udi multiple times screws with the items somehow [13:16] anyhow [13:16] lunch === e-jat is now known as ejat === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:08] Hey there, is there anyone on who can branch the Kubuntu system documentation so there's a branch for Precise and another for Quantal? [15:14] hi littlegirl [15:15] littlegirl: You just need to push it to the right place [15:15] bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs [15:15] cd kubuntu-docs [15:15] bzr push lp:~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/quantal [15:31] Oh, thanks - sorry about that - I had gone off into another window and forgot to check back here. So once I push it to a new place will the new branch command be bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs/quantal ? [15:32] Riddell, will that change the lp:kubuntu-docs to being ready for quantal or will some other magic have to be done? [15:33] Is there a way we can browse the tree? [15:33] littlegirl, jjesse: I think there are more settings that will need to be played with [15:33] thats what i thought [15:33] reached out to a couple of people on the ubuntu-core-doc team via eail [15:33] yep http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/precise/files [15:34] Thanks. Now how do I go backward through that branch? If I do http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/ I get NOT FOUND. [15:35] littlegirl: that is the top of the branch [15:35] I'm figuring if we can see the structure of the tree, maybe we can get an idea of how the branch command knows which revision to give us. (: [15:35] oh that's set in launchpad [15:35] Ah, okay, then we need whoever does that. (: [15:36] you'll need to register a new series, see https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs -> Register a series [15:36] you! :) [15:36] LOL! [15:36] How? I'm all for learning as long as you don't mind me possibly blundering it up on occasion. (: [15:36] i can do that [15:37] littlegirl: have you pushed a new branch? [15:37] Riddell: No, not yet. Should I just push a duplicate of the Precise documentation? [15:38] yes you can littlegirl or i can whatever you feel comfortable w/ [15:38] littlegirl: yep [15:38] Okay, hang on, I'll do it. [15:40] Done: [15:40] Using default stacking branch /+branch-id/518370 at chroot-96673232:///~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/ [15:40] Created new stacked branch referring to /+branch-id/518370. [15:41] groovy, we have quantal docs https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/quantal [15:41] littlegirl: now add a quantal series https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/+addseries [15:41] so lp:kubuntu-docs needs to be marked megreged? [15:42] littlegirl: you can copy the values from https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/precise/+edit [15:42] jjesse: not merged, mature I think [15:42] Riddell: Okay. (: [15:42] ok [15:44] Done. [15:45] https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/quantal [15:46] littlegirl: now in https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/+edit set the development focus to quantal [15:47] Done. [15:48] yay, now if you do bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs you'll get quantal [15:48] Testing... (: [15:49] or bzr checkout lp:kubuntu-docs (which means you can just do a bzr commit rather than having to do bzr commit; bzr push [15:50] Okay, now if someone wants to branch the precise documentation do they do bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs/precise ? [15:50] yes [15:50] yep [15:50] Excellent. Perfect. (: [15:50] you are now a launchpad master! [15:51] littlegirl, glad to have you along, ping me if you have more questions about how to fix things etc [15:52] littlegirl: so if you've any documentation written that needs added, go ahead and add it [15:52] Thanks, I appreciate the welcome. (: [15:52] Will do, although I'll need to look it over and make sure it still applies since it's a bit old. [15:53] Riddell: Will any of these steps change for me because I now have direct commit privileges? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/SystemDocumentation#Work_on_the_Kubuntu_documentation [15:54] In those instructions I was proposing merges rather than directly making them. [15:54] you just make them now [15:54] because you have commit rights [15:54] you don't have to wait for someone to approve your changes [15:55] So I basically stop at step number 8 because my push goes directly to the branch? [15:55] yep, just "bzr push" needed, doesn't even need a branch name [15:55] Awesome, although I'll probably do the branch name just to keep things sorted in my Bash history. (: [15:56] I guess I should grab a copy of Quantal and slap it into VirtualBox and see what needs to be written up. (: [15:56] Oh, we had work orders of some sort on Launchpad for Precise. Has that been automatically created for Quantal or do I need to set those up? [15:57] Blueprints. [15:57] you mean https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-docs ? [15:58] that's the only docs plans for quantal and it's just what some of us came up with in a room at UDS, the only thing it says that needs written is about kubuntu active [15:59] Yep, that looks like it. [15:59] littlegirl, a lot of doc work is hard in the alpha stage of thngs [15:59] I'll probably add work items like on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/+spec/desktop-p-kubuntu-docs-precise [15:59] its more dealing w/ the in the beta or feature frezze [15:59] jjesse: Not a problem, as long as you'all are willing to overlook the occasional mess-up from someone new. (: [16:00] littlegirl: yep, do take the initiative and add what you think needs [16:01] Riddell: Okay, I'm going to get started on it so that the instructions on the wiki page will make sense for Quantal. [16:01] some new things are listed at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Alpha2/Kubuntu but not filled out and they might well change as we decide they're not ready or new things come along [16:05] Since I'm new, I may well do something not quite right, so any/all of you please feel free to contact me either in here or via email (my email is listed on my Launchpad page). I check my mail more than once a day, so I'm likely to catch any message pretty quickly. (: [16:09] Work items are now up for the system documentation here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-docs [16:10] littlegirl: ooh organised :) [16:11] Riddell: Heh, it makes the wiki page make sense. (: [16:11] I am the queen of organization. It's what I do. (: === nhandler is now known as StaffUnicorn [16:18] any way to install oxygen-font with apt-get? [16:19] starbuck: it's not packaged yet, apachelogger says it's not ready for anything other than a PPA [16:19] too much change and too limited coverage [16:20] any ppa with latest for testing? [16:21] starbuck: not currently, but it's pretty easy to get yourself [16:21] okay, so where is the latest oxygen font for testing? [16:22] git clone git://anongit.kde.org/oxygen-fonts I think [16:23] okay thanks [16:23] starbuck: then put what it gets into ~/.fonts [16:25] mkdir ~/.fonts; cp -r oxygen-fonts/version-0.2/ ~/.fonts [16:50] apachelogger: the kubotu newversion, could it be adapted to make the bug for the current distro series? [16:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/+bug/1018071 is for quantal now [16:51] Launchpad bug 1018071 in calligra (Ubuntu Quantal) "Please update calligra to 2.4.3" [Undecided,New] [16:51] that's a nicer way of keeping track of what bugs we want compared to milestones which need to be moved [16:52] and should make them appear in http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html [17:02] Riddell: rewriting the script to do that is simple, but you will need to give the bot user on launchpad nomination accepting permissions [17:03] currently it can't even set the importance [17:09] yofel: mm right [17:09] I wonder how to do that [17:24] Riddell: I have added headlines to the main tech preview page [17:24] and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/Alpha2/Kubuntu [17:25] is in good progress, I have to leave soon for an unexpected job interview :) and will fork on polish later before I go in to work late tonight [17:25] s/fork/work [17:26] claydoh: good luck! [17:44] ::workspace-bugs:: [1009602] krunner crashed with SIGABRT in __gnu_cxx::__verbose_terminate_handler() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1009602 (by Francesco Ruvolo) [18:05] Hey there, is there an example of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/quantal/+addspec from Precise so I know what to put in the boxes to register the Blueprint page? [18:18] Hey there, do you know what to put into the boxes in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/quantal/+addspec for Quantal, Jjesse? [18:19] umm busy on a phone call w/ work can i get back to you? [18:19] Sure. (: === StaffUnicorn is now known as nhandler [22:57] claydoh: flattering picture of kamoso :) [22:57] Riddell: I can change it if it scares kittens and puppies [22:57] no no, it's lovely [22:58] Im working on being more wordy in there but have to get off to work soon :( [23:00] claydoh: kde-config-tablet for wacom pads is also new although untested and I don't have the hardware to test [23:00] ditto here :( [23:01] * Riddell snoozes, those alternates needing testing if anyone is up for it [23:04] * claydoh notes that he cheated and used kamoso in Precise as at least uvc webcams (logitech) are not working atm