[00:02] <JontheEchidna> neat, langpack support
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> ew: http://paste.kde.org/508526/
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> wonder how I managed that...
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> oh, bug 1015567
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> it's what I get for running quantal :P
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> well it was a nice 15 minute diversion
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> ...except for the part where I screw up my /var/lib/dpkg/status :D
[01:43] <littlegirl> Hey there, can someone help me to branch the kubuntu system documentation for Quantal?
[01:45] <jjesse> yes
[01:45] <jjesse> bra branch lp:kubuntu-docs should do it for you
[01:45] <jjesse> ah silly autocorrect
[01:46] <jjesse> bzr
[01:47] <littlegirl> Ah, that's the command I've been using, and that gives the Precise documentation. How do I get the Quantal documentation>
[01:47] <littlegirl> heh
[01:47] <jjesse> hrmm i thought quantal was branched already
[01:47] <littlegirl> Thanks for adding me to ubuntu-core-doc, by the way. (:
[01:48] <littlegirl> I downloaded it and the About page still says Quantal. I know how to change it, but I wasn't sure whether I should, since that's till supported and can still be updated, right?
[01:48] <jjesse> yes it can be still be updataed
[01:48] <jjesse> hrmm it looks like no one branched it
[01:48] <littlegirl> That's what I figured. How hard is that to branch on the server?
[01:49] <jjesse> i've never done it
[01:49] <jjesse> sorry
[01:49] <littlegirl> Ah, that's okay - neither have I. Someone will know how it's done. (:
[01:50] <jjesse> hrmm i'll look into it
[01:50] <littlegirl> I think I pick a bad time of day to get on here. It would probably be better to get on in the morning Eastern Standard Time. (:
[01:51] <jjesse> yeah it might
[01:51] <jjesse> i did add you to the core-doc group
[01:51] <jjesse> so you have commit privileges
[01:51] <littlegirl> Yeah, thanks for that!
[01:51] <jjesse> welcome
[01:51] <littlegirl> Does that also give me Kubuntu privileges, because that's what I really wanted. (:
[01:51]  * littlegirl is a Kubuntu girl all the way
[01:51] <jjesse> yes you have rights to both ubuntu-docs and kubuntu-docs
[01:51] <littlegirl> My son uses Ubuntu, but I prefer Kubuntu. (:
[01:52] <littlegirl> What I could do, since I've got a copy of the Precise documents, is go ahead and start changing those over locally, and once they're branched I can grab them again, merge my changes into them here and then push to the server if you like.
[01:52] <jjesse> yes you can
[01:53] <littlegirl> Once the branch is done, will it be a different bzr command to get to the Quantal docs, or will that stay the same?
[01:53] <jjesse> bzr merge
[01:54] <littlegirl> No, I mean the bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs command, which currently leads to Precise documents. Will it be a new command to get to the Quantal docs, or will that one go to Quantal, and a different command take us to the Precise ones?
[01:55] <jjesse> you will do a bzr merge lp:kubuntu-docs when it is quantal
[01:55] <jjesse> the system will know that you are pushing to a new branch
[01:56] <littlegirl> Yeah, I guess what I'm trying to figure out is how you get to each separate branch, since I don't know the structure of the branches. (:
[01:57] <jjesse> once the quantal branch is up you will do a bzr merge or bzr push lp:kubuntu-docs and for precise you would do bzr merge lp:kubuntu-docs/precise
[01:58] <littlegirl> Oh, that's perfect - thanks!
[02:02] <littlegirl> Well, thank you for all your hel, jjesse! I'll be on earlier tomorrow to see about getting this thing branched. (:
[02:02] <jjesse> ok i'll reach out to Matthew East on the Ubuntu-Doc team and I'm sure he can figure it out :)
[02:03] <littlegirl> Cool. I've got Bazaar installed here locally, and I'm using it for all my version control, but my structure is a bit different from the Ubuntu structure, I'm sure. (:
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> jonathan@jonathan-laptop:/tmp$ sudo apt-get install -f
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> bash: /usr/bin/sudo: No such file or directory
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> :D
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> brb, reinstalling
[02:38] <JontheEchidna> Oh well, I hadn't reinstalled since the beginning of the oneiric cycle anyways :P
[02:39] <littlegirl> That was fast. (:
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> I'm downloading the ISO in windows :P
[02:43] <littlegirl> Oh, ew!
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> as long as I stay in Chrome the whole time I shouldn't know the difference!
[02:44] <littlegirl> LOL
[02:44] <littlegirl> Is this a laptop with Windows on it that will be getting Kubuntu on it?
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> It's dual-booted w/ a tiny partition for the windows side, and ext4 partitions for / and /home
[02:47] <littlegirl> Oh, that's cool. I did something similar with my HP laptop many years ago and it worked out great. (:
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> all I'll have to do is re-install over root, and reinstall a bunch of packages and I'll be back in business
[02:47] <littlegirl> Good. (:
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I hose the system once every 2 or 3 cycles or so
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> not on purpose, of course, but it happens
[02:49] <littlegirl> Same. I keep the LTS releases on my system and wipe it and start over with a fresh one each time. (:
[05:24] <claydoh> is the iso image size going to be larger now, officially?
[06:08] <debfx> claydoh: yes, but hopefully not as large as they currently are
[06:09] <claydoh> debfx: thanks, could see where that was noted. WHat will be the official size once we get everything buttoned down?
[06:09]  * claydoh is just editing a wiki page, wondering if he should remove references to "CD" disks :)
[06:10] <debfx> the hard limit is 1GB
[06:10] <debfx> yeah, they are no CDs anymore
[09:04] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion soprano 2.8
[09:04] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1018300
[09:47] <Riddell> wibble, polkit isn't working on usb-creator-kde
[09:47] <Riddell> and usb-creator-gtk is just plain broken
[09:47] <Riddell> polkit isn't working in muon either :(
[10:15] <JontheEchidna> So the Windows default power policy is such that you can't even leave it unattended *plugged in* for the amount of time it takes to download an ISO before it suspends, ruining your download. :/
[10:20] <Riddell> fail
[10:29] <Riddell> yay polkit fixed itself in alpha 2
[10:33] <Riddell> !testers
[10:33] <Riddell> alpha 2 candidate ISO images need testing
[10:36] <soee> ok
[10:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: it fails utterly for most non-ascii and is still vastly changing, so I think a package in the experimental ppa is of more use to us and upstream
[10:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, tell tdfischer to release 461 already
[10:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's this?
[10:57] <Riddell> oxygen font?
[10:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: oxygen font
[10:57] <Riddell> right
[11:30] <apachelogger> is it just me or is the usb disk creator not working?
[11:30] <apachelogger> that is: erasing never finishes
[11:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: right that's a bug I have
[11:52] <apachelogger> works with gtk ui -.-
[11:52] <apachelogger> actually
[11:52] <apachelogger> zsh: segmentation fault  /usr/bin/usb-creator-gtk
[11:52] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:53]  * apachelogger suspects oxygengtk
[11:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: usb-creator-kde can be worked around by quitting and restarting
[11:54] <Riddell> but it's a priority issue that
[12:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's in the backend it seems
[12:12] <apachelogger> it never calls the callback on success
[12:13] <apachelogger> also the code there is a bit fishy to begin with
[12:13] <apachelogger> def format_done(self, dev=None):
[12:13] <apachelogger> then it actually overloads dev with an iter
[12:13] <apachelogger> (i.e. completely ignores the arg)
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:18] <debfx> why does every distro have its own usb iso writing tool anyway?
[12:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: and then it gets duplicated entries in the device view -.-
[12:20] <apachelogger> debfx: do they?
[12:21] <shadeslayer> what's the problem in ktp?
[12:22] <apachelogger> and then the backend falls over if you try to format the wrong entry
[12:22] <apachelogger> good lawd
[12:23] <debfx> at least fedora, opensuse and ubuntu have their own
[12:24] <apachelogger> cuz opensuse likes sane languages, cuz ubuntu likes silly languages, cuz fedora likes beautiful languages
[12:24] <debfx> I hope usb-creator has some safeguards so it doesn't wipe random partitions when it triggers one of its many bugs ;)
[12:24] <apachelogger> debfx: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/distributions is your friend
[12:24] <apachelogger> debfx: terribly unlikely
[12:25] <apachelogger> given that not even all sources of exceptions are handled
[12:25]  * apachelogger is sure that stuff will be left inconsistent when that happens
[12:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: how does the educated developer us kdebug in python?
[12:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't think I've ever used it
[12:35] <Riddell> print statements work fine
[12:35] <apachelogger> hum
[12:36] <apachelogger> print is inferior to kdebug :P
[12:36] <Riddell> yes
[12:37] <Riddell> debfx: I don't think suse or fedora have usb writing tools, they just tell users to use dd
[12:38] <debfx> Riddell: no, they have GUI tools
[12:39] <Riddell> i know the ubuntu images weren't hybrid images until recently so you couldn't do dd and that stopped sharing tools between distros
[12:40] <debfx> fedora's is written with pyqt4 but unfortunately it needs to be run as root
[12:41] <Riddell> interesting, didn't know they were into pyqt
[12:42] <Riddell> I just tried the netrunner image with usb-creator-kde and it just gives me a syslinux prompt that doesn't do anything
[12:42]  * shadeslayer looks at release schedule
[12:42] <Riddell> starbuck: but I did try encrypted folder and it worked fine in 12.04 and 12.10 alpha
[12:42] <shadeslayer> no time for testing :|
[12:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's releasing?
[12:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: alpha 2
[12:43] <shadeslayer> I have to leave for a wedding and tomorrow I have to go shopping for jussi and pack everything
[12:43] <shadeslayer> hence, no time for alpha 2 testing
[12:56] <Riddell> claydoh: how did you get on with alpha 2 notes?
[12:58] <apachelogger> oh boy oh boy
[12:58] <Riddell> oh?
[12:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: seems to me http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/static/Docs/PyQt4/html/qtreewidget.html#removeItemWidget is kaput
[12:59] <apachelogger> doesn't actually remove the item, though it does something (i.e. if I call clear() first which will delete all items it will except)
[12:59] <apachelogger> which leads to the duplicated entries from what I understand
[13:00] <Riddell> "Removes the widget set in the given item in the given column." that sounds like it removes a widget (e.g. a button) in the QWidgetListItem
[13:00] <apachelogger> except it does not
[13:00] <Riddell> in the QTreeWidgetItem rather
[13:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: do we have any widgets in QTreeWidgetItem ?
[13:01] <apachelogger> yeah, all the entries are treewidgetitems
[13:02] <Riddell> but not QTreeWidgetItem with widgets inside them
[13:02] <Riddell> should it not be using QTreeWidget.takeTopLevelItem ?
[13:02] <apachelogger> well, we already have the item
[13:02] <apachelogger> so it should work
[13:03] <apachelogger> but yeah, that function might be more appropriate
[13:04] <Riddell> or just delete the QTreeWidgetItem I think
[13:04] <apachelogger> taketoplevel works
[13:05] <apachelogger> so either QTW refuses to remove toplevels via the remove function or it is defunct with pyqt
[13:05] <Riddell> you misunderstand what removeItemWidget() does
[13:06] <Riddell> if a QTreeWidgetItem has a widget (a button or drop down box or whatever) in it then it'll remove that
[13:06] <Riddell> it doesn't remove the QTreeWidgetItem itself
[13:06] <apachelogger> crash
[13:07] <apachelogger> ah
[13:07] <apachelogger> uh
[13:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, now I get it
[13:07] <apachelogger> cheers :)
[13:07] <Riddell> confusingly I can't find how you actually add a widget in an item in a widget
[13:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: you'd probably simply parent it
[13:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: QTreeWidgetItem ( QTreeWidget * parent, int type = Type )
[13:15] <apachelogger> as always your's truely is in favor of rewriting the thing
[13:15] <apachelogger> at least so that it uses a proper model
[13:16] <apachelogger> it apparently now crashes because adding and removing the same udi multiple times screws with the items somehow
[13:16] <apachelogger> anyhow
[13:16] <apachelogger> lunch
[15:08] <littlegirl> Hey there, is there anyone on who can branch the Kubuntu system documentation so there's a branch for Precise and another for Quantal?
[15:14] <Riddell> hi littlegirl 
[15:15] <Riddell> littlegirl: You just need to push it to the right place
[15:15] <Riddell> bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs 
[15:15] <Riddell> cd kubuntu-docs
[15:15] <Riddell> bzr push lp:~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/quantal
[15:31] <littlegirl> Oh, thanks - sorry about that - I had gone off into another window and forgot to check back here. So once I push it to a new place will the new branch command be bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs/quantal ? 
[15:32] <jjesse> Riddell,  will that change the lp:kubuntu-docs to being ready for quantal or will some other magic have to be done?
[15:33] <littlegirl> Is there a way we can browse the tree?
[15:33] <Riddell> littlegirl, jjesse: I think there are more settings that will need to be played with
[15:33] <jjesse> thats what i thought
[15:33] <jjesse> reached out to a couple of people on the ubuntu-core-doc team via eail
[15:33] <Riddell> yep http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/precise/files
[15:34] <littlegirl> Thanks. Now how do I go backward through that branch? If I do http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/ I get NOT FOUND.
[15:35] <Riddell> littlegirl: that is the top of the branch
[15:35] <littlegirl> I'm figuring if we can see the structure of the tree, maybe we can get an idea of how the branch command knows which revision to give us. (:
[15:35] <Riddell> oh that's set in launchpad
[15:35] <littlegirl> Ah, okay, then we need whoever does that. (:
[15:36] <Riddell> you'll need to register a new series, see https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs -> Register a series 
[15:36] <Riddell> you! :)
[15:36] <littlegirl> LOL!
[15:36] <littlegirl> How? I'm all for learning as long as you don't mind me possibly blundering it up on occasion. (:
[15:36] <jjesse> i can do that
[15:37] <Riddell> littlegirl: have you pushed a new branch?
[15:37] <littlegirl> Riddell: No, not yet. Should I just push a duplicate of the Precise documentation?
[15:38] <jjesse> yes you can littlegirl or i can whatever you feel comfortable w/
[15:38] <Riddell> littlegirl: yep
[15:38] <littlegirl> Okay, hang on, I'll do it.
[15:40] <littlegirl> Done: 
[15:40] <littlegirl> Using default stacking branch /+branch-id/518370 at chroot-96673232:///~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/
[15:40] <littlegirl> Created new stacked branch referring to /+branch-id/518370.
[15:41] <Riddell> groovy, we have quantal docs https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/quantal
[15:41] <Riddell> littlegirl: now add a quantal series https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/+addseries
[15:41] <jjesse> so lp:kubuntu-docs needs to be marked megreged?
[15:42] <Riddell> littlegirl: you can copy the values from https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/precise/+edit
[15:42] <Riddell> jjesse: not merged, mature I think
[15:42] <littlegirl> Riddell: Okay. (:
[15:42] <jjesse> ok
[15:44] <littlegirl> Done.
[15:45] <littlegirl> https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/quantal
[15:46] <Riddell> littlegirl: now in https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/+edit set the development focus to quantal
[15:47] <littlegirl> Done.
[15:48] <Riddell> yay, now if you do bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs   you'll get quantal
[15:48] <littlegirl> Testing... (:
[15:49] <Riddell> or   bzr checkout lp:kubuntu-docs  (which means you can just do a bzr commit rather than having to do  bzr commit; bzr push
[15:50] <littlegirl> Okay, now if someone wants to branch the precise documentation do they do bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs/precise   ?
[15:50] <jjesse> yes
[15:50] <Riddell> yep
[15:50] <littlegirl> Excellent. Perfect. (:
[15:50] <Riddell> you are now a launchpad master!
[15:51] <jjesse> littlegirl, glad to have you along, ping me if you have more questions about how to fix things etc
[15:52] <Riddell> littlegirl: so if you've any documentation written that needs added, go ahead and add it
[15:52] <littlegirl> Thanks, I appreciate the welcome. (:
[15:52] <littlegirl> Will do, although I'll need to look it over and make sure it still applies since it's a bit old.
[15:53] <littlegirl> Riddell: Will any of these steps change for me because I now have direct commit privileges? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/SystemDocumentation#Work_on_the_Kubuntu_documentation
[15:54] <littlegirl> In those instructions I was proposing merges rather than directly making them.
[15:54] <jjesse> you just make them now
[15:54] <jjesse> because you have commit rights
[15:54] <jjesse> you don't have to wait for someone to approve your changes
[15:55] <littlegirl> So I basically stop at step number 8 because my push goes directly to the branch?
[15:55] <Riddell> yep, just "bzr push" needed, doesn't even need a branch name
[15:55] <littlegirl> Awesome, although I'll probably do the branch name just to keep things sorted in my Bash history. (:
[15:56] <littlegirl> I guess I should grab a copy of Quantal and slap it into VirtualBox and see what needs to be written up. (:
[15:56] <littlegirl> Oh, we had work orders of some sort on Launchpad for Precise. Has that been automatically created for Quantal or do I need to set those up?
[15:57] <littlegirl> Blueprints.
[15:57] <Riddell> you mean https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-docs ?
[15:58] <Riddell> that's the only docs plans for quantal and it's just what some of us came up with in a room at UDS, the only thing it says that needs written is about kubuntu active
[15:59] <littlegirl> Yep, that looks like it.
[15:59] <jjesse> littlegirl, a lot of doc work is hard in the alpha stage of thngs
[15:59] <littlegirl> I'll probably add work items like on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/+spec/desktop-p-kubuntu-docs-precise
[15:59] <jjesse> its more dealing w/ the in the beta or feature frezze
[15:59] <littlegirl> jjesse: Not a problem, as long as you'all are willing to overlook the occasional mess-up from someone new. (:
[16:00] <Riddell> littlegirl: yep, do take the initiative and add what you think needs
[16:01] <littlegirl> Riddell: Okay, I'm going to get started on it so that the instructions on the wiki page will make sense for Quantal.
[16:01] <Riddell> some new things are listed at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Alpha2/Kubuntu but not filled out and they might well change as we decide they're not ready or new things come along
[16:05] <littlegirl> Since I'm new, I may well do something not quite right, so any/all of you please feel free to contact me either in here or via email (my email is listed on my Launchpad page). I check my mail more than once a day, so I'm likely to catch any message pretty quickly. (:
[16:09] <littlegirl> Work items are now up for the system documentation here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-docs
[16:10] <Riddell> littlegirl: ooh organised :)
[16:11] <littlegirl> Riddell: Heh, it makes the wiki page make sense. (:
[16:11] <littlegirl> I am the queen of organization. It's what I do. (:
[16:18] <starbuck> any way to install oxygen-font with apt-get?
[16:19] <Riddell> starbuck: it's not packaged yet, apachelogger says it's not ready for anything other than a PPA
[16:19] <Riddell> too much change and too limited coverage
[16:20] <starbuck> any ppa with latest for testing?
[16:21] <Riddell> starbuck: not currently, but it's pretty easy to get yourself
[16:21] <starbuck> okay, so where is the latest oxygen font for testing?
[16:22] <Riddell> git clone git://anongit.kde.org/oxygen-fonts   I think
[16:23] <starbuck> okay thanks
[16:23] <Riddell> starbuck: then put what it gets into ~/.fonts
[16:25] <Riddell> mkdir ~/.fonts; cp -r oxygen-fonts/version-0.2/ ~/.fonts
[16:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: the kubotu newversion, could it be adapted to make the bug for the current distro series?
[16:51] <Riddell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/+bug/1018071  is for quantal now
[16:51] <Riddell> that's a nicer way of keeping track of what bugs we want compared to milestones which need to be moved
[16:52] <Riddell> and should make them appear in http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[17:02] <yofel> Riddell: rewriting the script to do that is simple, but you will need to give the bot user on launchpad nomination accepting permissions
[17:03] <yofel> currently it can't even set the importance
[17:09] <Riddell> yofel: mm right
[17:09] <Riddell> I wonder how to do that
[17:24] <claydoh> Riddell: I have added headlines to the main tech preview page
[17:24] <claydoh> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/Alpha2/Kubuntu
[17:25] <claydoh> is in good progress, I have to leave soon for an unexpected job interview :) and will fork on polish later before I go in to work late tonight
[17:25] <claydoh> s/fork/work
[17:26] <Riddell> claydoh: good luck!
[17:44] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1009602] krunner crashed with SIGABRT in __gnu_cxx::__verbose_terminate_handler() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1009602 (by Francesco Ruvolo)
[18:05] <littlegirl> Hey there, is there an example of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/quantal/+addspec from Precise so I know what to put in the boxes to register the Blueprint page?
[18:18] <littlegirl> Hey there, do you know what to put into the boxes in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/quantal/+addspec for Quantal, Jjesse?
[18:19] <jjesse> umm busy on a phone call w/ work can i get back to you?
[18:19] <littlegirl> Sure. (:
[22:57] <Riddell> claydoh: flattering picture of kamoso :)
[22:57] <claydoh> Riddell: I can change it if it scares kittens and puppies
[22:57] <Riddell> no no, it's lovely
[22:58] <claydoh> Im working on being more wordy in there but have to get off to work soon :(
[23:00] <Riddell> claydoh: kde-config-tablet for wacom pads is also new although untested and I don't have the hardware to test
[23:00] <claydoh> ditto here :(
[23:01]  * Riddell snoozes, those alternates needing testing if anyone is up for it
[23:04]  * claydoh notes that he cheated and used kamoso in Precise as at least uvc webcams (logitech) are not working atm