| uofm49426 | question can i use my laptop as a remote for my desktop | 01:30 |
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| uofm49426 | lubutu 11.10 laptop 32 bit and xubuntu 12.04 desktop 64 bit | 01:31 |
| uofm49426 | what packages do i need to install on host and what do i need for the remote laptop | 01:34 |
| Unit193 | VNC style or SSH? | 01:34 |
| uofm49426 | first time trying to set up so dont know | 01:35 |
| uofm49426 | i kind of want to us my laptop as the key board and the touch pad as mouse | 01:36 |
| uofm49426 | kind of like what i can do with xp and a psp | 01:37 |
| Unit193 | Ah, I see. | 01:38 |
| Unit193 | !vnc | 01:38 |
| ubottu | VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely. It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX | 01:38 |
| uofm49426 | laptop all i need is any viewer desktop i need a vnc server | 01:41 |
| Unit193 | Yep, pretty much. | 01:42 |
| uofm49426 | work but dont have mouse working or keyboard | 02:06 |
| kanliot | synergy will do that, but never used it personally | 02:08 |
| Unit193 | Ah, there's that too, great tool. | 02:08 |
| * kanliot wonders if it works with trackpads | 02:09 | |
| uofm49426 | im using x11vnc for host and xvnc4viewer | 02:09 |
| Unit193 | Yep. | 02:09 |
| kanliot | i installed deadbeef audio player from source. works ok, i guess, but now I can't seem to install a .deb packackage of deadbeef, over the same install? this normal? install from source again? | 02:15 |
| uofm49426 | hey it working fine | 02:27 |
| uofm49426 | cheaper then a wireless keyboard lol | 02:28 |
| kanliot | which way you do it with? | 02:28 |
| kanliot | i figured it out | 02:31 |
| uofm49426 | working out of the box x11vnc | 02:31 |
| kanliot | sudo make uninstall | 02:31 |
| kanliot | or ./configure; sudo make uninstall | 02:31 |
| Mobil | Good evening gents. I had an issue last night that I couldn't install my video drivers, however with a bit of tinkering, I was able to with the help of someone here. I don't think the videocard drivers are properly installed because when I use fglrxinfo, I get Error: unable to open display (null) | 03:21 |
| Mobil | Can anyone help me out to see if I can get lubuntu to use the drivers ? | 03:22 |
| Unit193 | Slightly weird way to do it: lspci -v |grep vga -iA13|grep driver | 03:23 |
| Unit193 | You have a GUI up now? | 03:24 |
| Mobil | Hi Unit193, I got the gui yes | 03:24 |
| Mobil | the output of that command is Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd | 03:25 |
| Mobil | Kernel driver in use: pcieport | 03:25 |
| Mobil | I also was able to build the drivers using an ubuntu 12.04 way, but I think what messed it up is I may have applied a patch that didn't need to | 03:26 |
| Mobil | I'm scared of doing something like purge and reinstall fglrx, but I could try it if you suggest so | 03:27 |
| holstein | an ubuntu 12.04 way? what does that mean? | 03:27 |
| Mobil | one second, ill put up a link | 03:27 |
| Unit193 | I'd hope that jockey would have pulled it in. I take it you have searched about the compatibility of it? | 03:27 |
| holstein | what im saying is... lubuntu is ubuntu 12.04... | 03:28 |
| Unit193 | I know fglrx wouldn't be as good for mine as what I'm currently using. | 03:28 |
| Mobil | http://askubuntu.com/questions/129597/how-do-i-fix-my-installation-of-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-in-12-04-lts | 03:28 |
| Mobil | I used the steps 1 by one in theis link | 03:28 |
| Mobil | Would that patch apply to 11.10? | 03:35 |
| Unit193 | holstein: You got anything on this? My go to is always jockey, or whatever cardinfo I can pickeup. :/ | 03:35 |
| holstein | Mobil: i would undo whatever you did | 03:36 |
| Unit193 | Mobil: If I'm reading that right, problem is the installer/driver isn't made for the 3.2 kernel, and I don't *think* oneiric had that one. | 03:36 |
| Mobil | holstein, aka sudo apt-get purge fglrx*? | 03:36 |
| holstein | whatever it takes to get back to stock | 03:37 |
| holstein | i would start from there.. i would also consider just going on to 12.04 | 03:37 |
| holstein | its the LTS... no reason to stay with 11.10 really | 03:37 |
| Mobil | holstein, I'm using 11.10 because of xbmcbuntu... | 03:37 |
| holstein | might need to search around a bit then for drivers that are appropriate.. i would expect the LTS's to be the best supported by vendors | 03:38 |
| Mobil | holstein: I was trying to fix something with xbmc, it ended up installing nvidia drivers, uninstalling ati drivers, and killing my xorg | 03:38 |
| holstein | i remember dealing with something similar, and just going with different hardware | 03:40 |
| holstein | it can be implied that a different driver can really change the performance, and i suppose in a few cases, it can | 03:41 |
| holstein | for me, its only ever wasted and average of a day and half or time, and *barely* improved anything, if at all | 03:41 |
| Mobil | yes it does (as xbmc forum implies) which is why I tried to upgrade. For me it's wasted a day or so, and I have yet to be able to start xbmc again. Hopefully I didn't lose all my library or something more horrid ... | 03:42 |
| holstein | well, failure is always an options | 03:42 |
| holstein | i would just upgrade to 12.04, but im not up on why you cant run XBMC there | 03:43 |
| holstein | it in the repos from what i can find | 03:45 |
| Mobil | I'm sure you can. but from that link that, I thought all 12.04 ubuntu had AMD problems | 03:45 |
| holstein | try it live... i still use 10.04 around here | 03:46 |
| Mobil | holstein, Ya I just got another guy on the xbmc saying he had the exact same problem..xbmc installed nvidia drivers on his ati box :| | 03:47 |
| holstein | well... you installed the drivers | 03:47 |
| holstein | xbmc doesnt install drivers AFAIK | 03:47 |
| Mobil | well I did apt-get install xbmc | 03:47 |
| holstein | i would drop to the command line, and clean up what you did, and start from scratch, and maybe just accept a little bit of performance issues | 03:48 |
| holstein | i know it can be brutal in video playback | 03:48 |
| Mobil | holstein, Yes sir. Maybe I should just install 12.04 lubuntu and install xbmc seperately | 03:48 |
| holstein | well, you can load up a 12.04 live CD and install XBMC i bet, and see | 03:49 |
| Mobil | holstein, yea..I just gotta find a USB stick...does lubuntu 12.04 come barebone too? does it come with gnome,kde,w/e else that 11.10 uses? | 03:50 |
| jmarsden | Mobil: lubuntu starts with L for LXDE. So it comes with LXDE. Not GNOME, not KDE :) | 03:51 |
| holstein | lubuntu *is* ubuntu with LXDE Mobil | 03:52 |
| Mobil | jmarsden: sorry bro I'm a linux nub. I have no idea what the difference is, but thank you for clarifying | 03:52 |
| Mobil | holstein, I thought it was a stripped down version of ubuntu (which is why the xbmc people use it?) | 03:52 |
| jmarsden | Mobil: They are different "desktop environments". So the way things look at feel and where the menus are etc. are different. | 03:53 |
| holstein | i didnt know XBMC were still making a distro | 03:53 |
| holstein | i thought it was just the application now, since the GUI kind of takes over the desktop anyways | 03:53 |
| jmarsden | And yes, the L in Lubuntu and in LXDE is L for Lightweight... which is why it doesn't use heavyweight things like GNOME and KDE :) | 03:53 |
| Mobil | http://xbmc.org/download/ (last icon to the right) | 03:53 |
| holstein | yeah, but im not going to download it | 03:54 |
| Mobil | that's what I downloaded | 03:54 |
| Mobil | :) | 03:54 |
| holstein | i would just add it to whatever distro i was using.. its in the repos for most of them | 03:54 |
| Mobil | holstein, I don't know if you're still there, but when I do apt-get purge fglrx*, the command also seems to remove xbmc. Any idea as to why? | 04:31 |
| jmarsden | Mobil: Probably xbmc depends on one or more fglrx* packages. You can use apt-cache depends xbmc to see its dependencies. | 04:34 |
| Mobil | jmarsden, thanks ill try it now | 04:35 |
| Mobil | jmarsden, if I get this output from dkms status | 04:36 |
| Mobil | dkms status | 04:36 |
| Mobil | crystalhd, 0.0~git20110715.fdd2f19, 3.0.0-16-generic, i686: installed | 04:36 |
| Mobil | crystalhd, 0.0~git20110715.fdd2f19, 3.0.0-21-generic-pae, i686: installed | 04:36 |
| Mobil | fglrx-updates, 8.911, 3.0.0-21-generic-pae, i686: installed | 04:36 |
| Mobil | does that mean I have amd drivers installed? | 04:36 |
| jmarsden | Looks like it to me, but that's not something I am expert in. | 04:37 |
| Mobil | yeah this is really weird. I uninstalled the amd drivers and rebooted. I don't understand how they are still there | 04:41 |
| jmarsden | Well, dkms is showing you kernel modules built locally on your system... not files directly added by installed packages. | 04:46 |
| jmarsden | You can try dkms remove crystalhd | 04:47 |
| jmarsden | for example, to remove that. | 04:47 |
| jmarsden | Mobil: Maybe dkms remove crystalhd --all # to remove it from both listed kernels at once. | 04:48 |
| Mobil | jmarsden, yea It's alright xbmc is working somehow after removing the amd drivers | 04:49 |
| jmarsden | Mobil: OK, glad you got it working. | 04:50 |
| Mobil | jmarsden, I still think this is a bug with xbmc and lubuntu working together however | 04:51 |
| Mobil | or maybe xbmc | 04:51 |
| Mobil | the fact that I removed the amd drivers somehow..kept the amd drivrers is beyond me | 04:52 |
| jmarsden | If you are sure, please submit a bug report using ubuntu-bug, and be sure it includes a clear full set of all the steps needed to reproduce the bug | 04:52 |
| Mobil | jmarsden, well to my understanding, apt-get purge fglrx* should remove everything with fglrx correct? | 04:55 |
| Mobil | or everythign starting with fglrx | 04:56 |
| jmarsden | Mobil: That will remove all the packages whose names start with fglrx; but if that package used DMKS to locally compile some kernel modules, then whether those kernel modules are purged or not I don't know. | 04:56 |
| jmarsden | They probably should be, so you could consider that a bug; but if so it is probably a fglrx packaging bug, not an Lubuntu bug or an xbmc bug. | 04:57 |
| Mobil | When XBMC had installed nvidia drivers, that command actually removed all traces of fglrx...but then I couldn't reinstall fglrx after removing because the install file was complaining that fglrx was infact installed | 04:58 |
| Mobil | but running dkms status didnt show the crystalhd, 0.0~git20110715.fdd2f19, | 04:58 |
| Mobil | fglrx-updates, 8.911, 3.0.0-21-generic-pae, i686: installed | 04:58 |
| Mobil | disregard the crystalhd** | 04:58 |
| jmarsden | Mobil: So you might have found a bug in the fglrx installer, I suppose. That's a closed source binary package, I think, so good luck on fixing it -- you're probably at the mercy of AMD for that :) | 05:01 |
| Mobil | Anyways this is a bug, but not sure what's causing it. I'm sure of it though (another guy had this exact problem on xbmc channel), Ill just try to report it when I get some time. Ya AMD..no kidding.... | 05:01 |
| Mobil | jmarsden, how are nvidia driver support for linux? | 05:02 |
| bioterror | jmarsden, what would Linus do :D | 05:02 |
| Mobil | I might just go grab a low cost nvidia card for my htpc .. | 05:02 |
| jmarsden | bioterror: RMS would rewrite the driver from scratch and make in militantly free software ... but I'm not going to do that :) | 05:02 |
| bioterror | jmarsden, linus just raises his middle finger and says something nasty | 05:02 |
| Mobil | wow now that's warrior right there | 05:03 |
| jmarsden | Mobil: I'm not much of a 3D gamer; I have a very low cost Radeon in this desktop that gets used with fglrx for light 3D CAD stuff in connection with Reprap sometimes, but that's about as much 3D as I do on Linux. | 05:04 |
| Mobil | jmarsden, well actually the E-350 APU was going to be used for a nas server/htpc | 05:05 |
| Mobil | jmarsden, so if Nvidia ahs better support, Ill just got grab a 40 dollar card and toss it in there and forget about the adm driver headaches | 05:05 |
| bioterror | I'm using amd's opensource drivers | 05:06 |
| bioterror | I can play some games with it | 05:06 |
| jmarsden | Mobil, if you already have it working, why switch? Just be happy and use it the way it is! | 05:06 |
| Mobil | jmarsden, if it took me 2 days to install a graphics driver, and I'm new to linux, and I'm obviously coming from windows which does the same thing in 3 minutes, I would pay the money for the compatibility | 05:09 |
| jmarsden | Valid comment if you are in the business of building hundreds of machines. But I don't think you are. So the 2 days are already gone,m you cannot get them back. SO why waste more time going shopping for a new video card??! | 05:10 |
| Mobil | jmarsden, and let me clarify "new". I'm not really new, but I know how to start a program, install stuff on it and presumably remove em. I maintain a bunch of linux servers at work, and the fedora installs are Amazing..granted I never had to install video drivers, but still | 05:12 |
| Mobil | but lubuntu really attracted me. I really like it..you start with a barebone distro and build whatever you want from there | 05:14 |
| jmarsden | Glad you like it :) 3D closed source drivers from nVidia and AMD are both the "dirty" part of Linux -- normal Linux people can't see the code, can't modify it, can't fix bugs in them. So seeing issues you are having with those as indicative of Linux as a whole is a bad idea. So a probable bug in a video driver cost you some time. It's done. You have a working machine now. Celebrate your success, and be happy -- don't rush out to change it | 05:15 |
| jmarsden | for a new video card, now it works :) | 05:15 |
| Mobil | jmarsden, I thought AMD made their drivers open source | 05:24 |
| jmarsden | I don't think the current fglrx is open source. The one I have here (on Ubuntu 10.04.3) is definitely not open source. | 05:25 |
| Mobil | interesting...a couple of years ago there was a big fuss "ohh amd went open sauce, etc etc" | 05:27 |
| Mobil | maybe it was something else | 05:27 |
| kanliot | the open source ati driver has been getting better and better | 05:28 |
| kanliot | but it's not done by ati | 05:29 |
| Mobil | I see | 05:30 |
| Mobil | http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Open-Sources-Radeon-HD-7000-Driver-259876.shtml | 05:32 |
| Mobil | so this is what then? | 05:32 |
| kanliot | huh, maybe they do a open source driver also, like in addition | 05:33 |
| kanliot | my memory clearly is faulty | 05:33 |
| kanliot | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_radeonhd_four&num=1 | 05:35 |
| kanliot | anyhow i give up | 05:35 |
| jmarsden | I think they are opening up the very newest chipsets and slowly releasing info (but not necessarily code) for older Radeon chipsets. | 05:36 |
| Mobil | jmarsden, that's what the rave was all about the fact that AMD is going open source | 05:38 |
| Mobil | jmarsden, hopefully it's true, and linux can get proper drivers | 05:39 |
| jmarsden | RIght. But "going" and "got there already" is not the same thing at all. | 05:39 |
| Mobil | jmarsden, haha yeah | 05:40 |
| justin_ | i'm trying to play a dvd and am not able too :( | 05:56 |
| justin_ | so when i put it in a removable media box pops up and i have an option to open it with vlc | 05:56 |
| justin_ | when i choose that option, vlc comes up but nothing plays | 05:57 |
| Unit193 | justin_: Do you have libdvdcss? I'd bet not. | 06:00 |
| Unit193 | !medibuntu | 06:00 |
| ubottu | medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org | 06:00 |
| justin_ | so then sudo apt-get install libdvdcss? | 06:01 |
| justin_ | do i have to add a medibuntu repository or something and then install libdvdcss? | 06:02 |
| Unit193 | It's not in the default repos, but you can either add a repo, or use a script provided by libdvdread4 to download the file from that repo. | 06:02 |
| justin_ | ok so i added that repo and then downloaded libdvdcss | 06:10 |
| justin_ | its still not working, but when i select my dvd from vlc i get this http://pastebin.com/DiHhq0kY | 06:12 |
| justin_ | in a logbox thing | 06:13 |
| justin_ | idk if that helps or not | 06:13 |
| kanliot | are you sure you downloaded libvdvdcss? did you restart vlc? | 06:17 |
| kanliot | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs/ | 06:18 |
| kanliot | pleaes follow those steps | 06:18 |
| justin_ | yes | 06:22 |
| justin_ | would you like me to post my output from downloading libvdvdcsss? | 06:22 |
| kanliot | did you mount the dvd? | 06:23 |
| justin_ | oh wait is it, libdvdcss or libvdvdcss? | 06:23 |
| justin_ | because i downloaded libdvdcss | 06:23 |
| kanliot | no that's my mistake | 06:23 |
| justin_ | idk, how can i tell? | 06:23 |
| kanliot | mount it with pcmanfm | 06:24 |
| kanliot | need more help? | 06:24 |
| kanliot | i can explain that also | 06:24 |
| Unit193 | Also, you may want to check the error message in vlc, it has a messages area. | 06:24 |
| kanliot | Unit193, he pastebinned his error already | 06:24 |
| kanliot | look above | 06:24 |
| Unit193 | Ah, monitor went to insanely low setting, must have been when. | 06:25 |
| kanliot | actually i think i told him wrong again | 06:28 |
| kanliot | justin_, go to open disk, then theres a drop down blox next to "disc device" select /dev/sr0 and try again | 06:28 |
| mi3 | I am getting this when I try to go to desktop http://imagebin.org/218594 and pcmanfm is not opening , I am on lxde, any suggestions ? | 06:31 |
| kanliot | ha | 06:32 |
| kanliot | this si arch aint it | 06:32 |
| kanliot | ? | 06:32 |
| kanliot | that window stuff is normal when you don't ahve a background | 06:33 |
| kanliot | no idea why pcmanfm isn't workin | 06:33 |
| mi3 | hmm | 06:34 |
| justin_ | kanliot, can you go into some detail on how exactly to mount in in pcmanfm? | 06:34 |
| kanliot | justin see my last comment | 06:34 |
| kanliot | actually i think i told him wrong again | 06:34 |
| kanliot | justin_, go to open disk, then theres a drop down blox next to "disc device" select /dev/sr0 and try again | 06:34 |
| kanliot | ^that comment | 06:34 |
| justin_ | um, when i right click on the disk i get two options, mount volume and eject removable media | 06:38 |
| kanliot | sorry my bad | 06:38 |
| justin_ | the "mount volume" option is gray and i can't click it | 06:38 |
| kanliot | open disk is inside vlc, on the menu | 06:38 |
| kanliot | i think on the file menu | 06:38 |
| justin_ | um, so media > open disc > play | 06:40 |
| justin_ | and thats when i get that error message i showed earlier | 06:40 |
| Unit193 | mi3: #archlinux, if it isn't Lubuntu, it's not supported here. | 06:41 |
| kanliot | did you select /dev/sr0? | 06:41 |
| mi3 | but its lxde, right ? | 06:41 |
| Unit193 | Doesn't matter, this only supports Lubuntu, #lxde supports lxde. | 06:41 |
| mi3 | ok. | 06:42 |
| justin_ | oh no i didn't | 06:43 |
| justin_ | and that apparently was the problem lol | 06:43 |
| justin_ | thank you guys | 06:43 |
| kanliot | :) | 06:43 |
| mi3 | kanliot: you know you can be polite, no need to tell me "please please be serious" ok. | 06:51 |
| kanliot | if you want to argue with a channel op | 06:53 |
| kanliot | then please dont accept my help | 06:53 |
| kanliot | or what i thougt was a friendly advice | 06:53 |
| mi3 | err he is a channel op ? | 06:53 |
| mi3 | :O | 06:54 |
| mi3 | ok. | 06:54 |
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| andree | hello @ll, what can I check on a machine getting a startup crash message on colord ? (lubuntu recently upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04) | 13:33 |
| vanfanel_ | hi there | 14:35 |
| vanfanel_ | is there an USB-HDD image of Lubuntu 12.04? | 14:35 |
| vanfanel_ | My old Amilo Pi won't boot hybrid mode isos from USB stick | 14:35 |
| vanfanel_ | and it's cd rom reader is broken | 14:36 |
| vanfanel_ | ehm... hello? | 14:39 |
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| smile-busy | bye :) | 17:28 |
| kvarley | What's the easiest window tiling application for LUbuntu? | 18:19 |
| bioterror | what do you mean? | 18:20 |
| wxl | there are "apps" for that? | 18:20 |
| kvarley | As in you drag the window to the left side of the screen and it fills the left half of the screen. | 18:20 |
| wxl | or do you mean which window manager? | 18:20 |
| bioterror | ahhh | 18:20 |
| bioterror | I dunno, I use windows 7 and gnome 3 :D | 18:21 |
| wxl | kvarley: do you still out there? | 18:30 |
| kvarley | wxl: Do I still what? | 18:30 |
| wxl | kvarley: you asked a question, which i, in turn, asked a question about. | 18:30 |
| kvarley | wxl: Oh, sorry. I don't mean window manager no. There are apps for it yes, pywo is one I have tried | 18:31 |
| wxl | kvarley: i have had no experience with such apps, but there are more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager#Third_party_tiling_applications_on_Xorg | 18:31 |
| wxl | kvarley: ctrlwm looks promising especially if you want easy and want to avoid python https://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php?content=114565 | 18:33 |
| bioterror | wxl, openbox can do that kind of magic | 18:34 |
| kvarley | thanks wxl I'll try it | 18:34 |
| bioterror | you can keybind it to move window somewhere and resize it | 18:34 |
| kvarley | If this works then I'll be able to run lubuntu full-time on my new system | 18:35 |
| bioterror | ofcoutse it works | 18:35 |
| bioterror | when I used openbox, I used to have different kind of configurations for windows | 18:36 |
| bioterror | http://urukrama.wordpress.com/2011/10/30/manual-tiling-in-openbox/ gives you some hints for example how you do it | 18:36 |
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