[01:30] <uofm49426> question can i use my laptop as a remote for my desktop
[01:31] <uofm49426> lubutu 11.10 laptop 32 bit and xubuntu 12.04 desktop 64 bit
[01:34] <uofm49426> what packages do i need to install on host and what do i need for the remote laptop
[01:34] <Unit193> VNC style or SSH?
[01:35] <uofm49426> first time trying to set up so dont know
[01:36] <uofm49426> i kind of want to us my laptop as the key board and the touch pad as mouse
[01:37] <uofm49426> kind of like what i can do with xp and a psp
[01:38] <Unit193> Ah, I see.
[01:38] <Unit193> !vnc
[01:41] <uofm49426> laptop all i need is any viewer desktop i need a vnc server
[01:42] <Unit193> Yep, pretty much.
[02:06] <uofm49426> work but dont have mouse working or keyboard
[02:08] <kanliot> synergy will do that, but never used it personally
[02:08] <Unit193> Ah, there's that too, great tool.
[02:09]  * kanliot wonders if it works with trackpads
[02:09] <uofm49426> im using x11vnc for host and xvnc4viewer
[02:09] <Unit193> Yep.
[02:15] <kanliot> i installed deadbeef audio player from source.  works ok, i guess, but now I can't seem to install a .deb packackage of deadbeef, over the same install?  this normal?  install from source again?
[02:27] <uofm49426> hey it working fine
[02:28] <uofm49426> cheaper then a wireless keyboard lol
[02:28] <kanliot> which way you do it with?
[02:31] <kanliot> i figured it out
[02:31] <uofm49426> working out of the box x11vnc
[02:31] <kanliot> sudo make uninstall
[02:31] <kanliot> or ./configure; sudo make uninstall
[03:21] <Mobil> Good evening gents. I had an issue last night that I couldn't install my video drivers, however with a bit of tinkering, I was able to with the help of someone here. I don't think the videocard drivers are properly installed because when I use fglrxinfo, I get Error: unable to open display (null)
[03:22] <Mobil> Can anyone help me out to see if I can get lubuntu to use the drivers ?
[03:23] <Unit193> Slightly weird way to do it:  lspci -v |grep vga -iA13|grep driver
[03:24] <Unit193> You have a GUI up now?
[03:24] <Mobil> Hi Unit193, I got the gui yes
[03:25] <Mobil> the output of that command is         Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
[03:25] <Mobil>         Kernel driver in use: pcieport
[03:26] <Mobil> I also was able to build the drivers using an ubuntu 12.04 way, but I think what messed it up is I may have applied a patch that didn't need to
[03:27] <Mobil> I'm scared of doing something like purge and reinstall fglrx, but I could try it if you suggest so
[03:27] <holstein> an ubuntu 12.04 way? what does that mean?
[03:27] <Mobil> one second, ill put up a link
[03:27] <Unit193> I'd hope that jockey would have pulled it in.  I take it you have searched about the compatibility of it?
[03:28] <holstein> what im saying is... lubuntu is ubuntu 12.04...
[03:28] <Unit193> I know fglrx wouldn't be as good for mine as what I'm currently using.
[03:28] <Mobil> http://askubuntu.com/questions/129597/how-do-i-fix-my-installation-of-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-in-12-04-lts
[03:28] <Mobil> I used the steps 1 by one in theis link
[03:35] <Mobil> Would that patch apply to 11.10?
[03:35] <Unit193> holstein: You got anything on this?  My go to is always jockey, or whatever cardinfo I can pickeup. :/
[03:36] <holstein> Mobil: i would undo whatever you did
[03:36] <Unit193> Mobil: If I'm reading that right, problem is the installer/driver isn't made for the 3.2 kernel, and I don't *think* oneiric had that one.
[03:36] <Mobil> holstein, aka sudo apt-get purge fglrx*?
[03:37] <holstein> whatever it takes to get back to stock
[03:37] <holstein> i would start from there.. i would also consider just going on to 12.04
[03:37] <holstein> its the LTS... no reason to stay with 11.10 really
[03:37] <Mobil> holstein, I'm using 11.10 because of xbmcbuntu...
[03:38] <holstein> might need to search around a bit then for drivers that are appropriate.. i would expect the LTS's to be the best supported by vendors
[03:38] <Mobil> holstein: I was trying to fix something with xbmc, it ended up installing nvidia drivers, uninstalling ati drivers, and killing my xorg
[03:40] <holstein> i remember dealing with something similar, and just going with different hardware
[03:41] <holstein> it can be implied that a different driver can really change the performance, and i suppose in a few cases, it can
[03:41] <holstein> for me, its only ever wasted and average of a day and half or time, and *barely* improved anything, if at all
[03:42] <Mobil> yes it does (as xbmc forum implies) which is why I tried to upgrade. For me it's wasted a day or so, and I have yet to be able to start xbmc again. Hopefully I didn't lose all my library or something more horrid ...
[03:42] <holstein> well, failure is always an options
[03:43] <holstein> i would just upgrade to 12.04, but im not up on why you cant run XBMC there
[03:45] <holstein> it in the repos from what i can find
[03:45] <Mobil> I'm sure you can. but from that link that, I thought all 12.04 ubuntu had AMD problems
[03:46] <holstein> try it live... i still use 10.04 around here
[03:47] <Mobil> holstein, Ya I just got another guy on the xbmc saying he had the exact same problem..xbmc installed nvidia drivers on his ati box :|
[03:47] <holstein> well... you installed the drivers
[03:47] <holstein> xbmc doesnt install drivers AFAIK
[03:47] <Mobil> well I did apt-get install xbmc
[03:48] <holstein> i would drop to the command line, and clean up what you did, and start from scratch, and maybe just accept a little bit of performance issues
[03:48] <holstein> i know it can be brutal in video playback
[03:48] <Mobil> holstein, Yes sir. Maybe I should just install 12.04 lubuntu and install xbmc seperately
[03:49] <holstein> well, you can load up a 12.04 live CD and install XBMC i bet, and see
[03:50] <Mobil> holstein, yea..I just gotta find a USB stick...does lubuntu 12.04 come barebone too? does it come with gnome,kde,w/e else that 11.10 uses?
[03:51] <jmarsden> Mobil: lubuntu starts with L for LXDE.  So it comes with LXDE.  Not GNOME, not KDE :)
[03:52] <holstein> lubuntu *is* ubuntu with LXDE Mobil
[03:52] <Mobil> jmarsden: sorry bro I'm a linux nub. I have no idea what the difference is, but thank you for clarifying
[03:52] <Mobil> holstein, I thought it was a stripped down version of ubuntu (which is why the xbmc people use it?)
[03:53] <jmarsden> Mobil: They are different "desktop environments".  So the way things look at feel and where the menus are etc. are different.
[03:53] <holstein> i didnt know XBMC were still making a distro
[03:53] <holstein> i thought it was just the application now, since the GUI kind of takes over the desktop anyways
[03:53] <jmarsden> And yes, the L in Lubuntu and in LXDE is L for Lightweight... which is why it doesn't use heavyweight things like GNOME and KDE :)
[03:53] <Mobil> http://xbmc.org/download/ (last icon to the right)
[03:54] <holstein> yeah, but im not going to download it
[03:54] <Mobil> that's what I downloaded
[03:54] <Mobil> :)
[03:54] <holstein> i would just add it to whatever distro i was using.. its in the repos for most of them
[04:31] <Mobil> holstein, I don't know if you're still there, but when I do apt-get purge fglrx*, the command also seems to remove xbmc. Any idea as to why?
[04:34] <jmarsden> Mobil: Probably xbmc depends on one or more fglrx* packages.  You can use apt-cache depends xbmc to see its dependencies.
[04:35] <Mobil> jmarsden, thanks ill try it now
[04:36] <Mobil> jmarsden, if I get this output from dkms status
[04:36] <Mobil> dkms status
[04:36] <Mobil> crystalhd, 0.0~git20110715.fdd2f19, 3.0.0-16-generic, i686: installed
[04:36] <Mobil> crystalhd, 0.0~git20110715.fdd2f19, 3.0.0-21-generic-pae, i686: installed
[04:36] <Mobil> fglrx-updates, 8.911, 3.0.0-21-generic-pae, i686: installed
[04:36] <Mobil> does that mean I have amd drivers installed?
[04:37] <jmarsden> Looks like it to me, but that's not something I am expert in.
[04:41] <Mobil> yeah this is really weird. I uninstalled the amd drivers and rebooted. I don't understand how they are still there
[04:46] <jmarsden> Well, dkms is showing you kernel modules built locally on your system... not files directly added by installed packages.
[04:47] <jmarsden> You can try    dkms remove crystalhd
[04:47] <jmarsden> for example, to remove that.
[04:48] <jmarsden> Mobil: Maybe dkms remove crystalhd --all      # to remove it from both listed kernels at once.
[04:49] <Mobil> jmarsden, yea It's alright xbmc is working somehow after removing the amd drivers
[04:50] <jmarsden> Mobil: OK, glad you got it working.
[04:51] <Mobil> jmarsden, I still think this is a bug with xbmc and lubuntu working together however
[04:51] <Mobil> or maybe xbmc
[04:52] <Mobil> the fact that I removed the amd drivers somehow..kept the amd drivrers is beyond me
[04:52] <jmarsden> If you are sure, please submit a bug report using ubuntu-bug, and be sure it includes a clear full set of all the steps needed to reproduce the bug
[04:55] <Mobil> jmarsden, well to my understanding, apt-get purge fglrx* should remove everything with fglrx correct?
[04:56] <Mobil> or everythign starting with fglrx
[04:56] <jmarsden> Mobil: That will remove all the packages whose names start with fglrx; but if that package used DMKS to locally compile some kernel modules, then whether those kernel modules are purged or not I don't know.
[04:57] <jmarsden> They probably should be, so you could consider that a bug; but if so it is probably a fglrx packaging bug, not an Lubuntu bug or an xbmc bug.
[04:58] <Mobil> When XBMC had installed nvidia drivers, that command actually removed all traces of fglrx...but then I couldn't reinstall fglrx after removing because the install file was complaining that fglrx was infact installed
[04:58] <Mobil> but running dkms status didnt show the crystalhd, 0.0~git20110715.fdd2f19,
[04:58] <Mobil> fglrx-updates, 8.911, 3.0.0-21-generic-pae, i686: installed
[04:58] <Mobil> disregard the crystalhd**
[05:01] <jmarsden> Mobil: So you might have found a bug in the fglrx installer, I suppose.  That's a closed source binary package, I think, so good luck on fixing it -- you're probably at the mercy of AMD for that :)
[05:01] <Mobil> Anyways this is a bug, but not sure what's causing it.  I'm sure of it though (another guy had this exact problem on xbmc channel), Ill just try to report it when I get some time. Ya AMD..no kidding....
[05:02] <Mobil> jmarsden, how are nvidia driver support for linux?
[05:02] <bioterror> jmarsden, what would Linus do :D
[05:02] <Mobil> I might just go grab a low cost nvidia card for my htpc ..
[05:02] <jmarsden> bioterror: RMS would rewrite the driver from scratch and make in militantly free software ... but I'm not going to do that :)
[05:02] <bioterror> jmarsden, linus just raises his middle finger and says something nasty
[05:03] <Mobil> wow now that's warrior right there
[05:04] <jmarsden> Mobil: I'm not much of a 3D gamer; I have a very low cost Radeon in this desktop that gets used with fglrx for light 3D CAD stuff in connection with Reprap sometimes, but that's about as much 3D as I do on Linux.
[05:05] <Mobil> jmarsden, well actually the E-350 APU was going to be used for a nas server/htpc
[05:05] <Mobil> jmarsden, so if Nvidia ahs better support, Ill just got grab a 40 dollar card and toss it in there and forget about the adm driver headaches
[05:06] <bioterror> I'm using amd's opensource drivers
[05:06] <bioterror> I can play some games with it
[05:06] <jmarsden> Mobil, if you already have it working, why switch? Just be happy and use it the way it is!
[05:09] <Mobil> jmarsden, if it took me 2 days to install a graphics driver, and I'm new to linux, and I'm obviously coming from windows which does the same thing in 3 minutes, I would pay the money for the compatibility
[05:10] <jmarsden> Valid comment if you are in the business of building hundreds of machines.  But I don't think you are.  So the 2 days are already gone,m you cannot get them back.  SO why waste more time going shopping for a new video card??!
[05:12] <Mobil> jmarsden, and let me clarify "new". I'm not really new, but I know how to start a program, install stuff on it and presumably remove em. I maintain a bunch of linux servers at work, and the fedora installs are Amazing..granted I never had to install video drivers, but still
[05:14] <Mobil> but lubuntu really attracted me. I really like it..you start with a barebone distro and build whatever you want from there
[05:15] <jmarsden> Glad you like it :)  3D closed source drivers from nVidia and AMD are both the "dirty" part of Linux -- normal Linux people can't see the code, can't modify it, can't fix bugs in them.  So seeing issues you are having with those as indicative of Linux as a whole is a bad idea.  So a probable bug in a video driver cost you some time.  It's done.  You have a working machine now.  Celebrate your success, and be happy -- don't rush out to change it
[05:15] <jmarsden>  for a new video card, now it works :)
[05:24] <Mobil> jmarsden, I thought AMD made their drivers open source
[05:25] <jmarsden> I don't think the current fglrx is open source.  The one I have here (on Ubuntu 10.04.3) is definitely not open source.
[05:27] <Mobil> interesting...a couple of years ago there was a big fuss "ohh amd went open sauce, etc etc"
[05:27] <Mobil> maybe it was something else
[05:28] <kanliot> the open source ati driver has been getting better and better
[05:29] <kanliot> but it's not done by ati
[05:30] <Mobil> I see
[05:32] <Mobil> http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Open-Sources-Radeon-HD-7000-Driver-259876.shtml
[05:32] <Mobil> so this is what then?
[05:33] <kanliot> huh, maybe they do a open source driver also, like in addition
[05:33] <kanliot> my memory clearly is faulty
[05:35] <kanliot> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_radeonhd_four&num=1
[05:35] <kanliot> anyhow i give up
[05:36] <jmarsden> I think they are opening up the very newest chipsets and slowly releasing info (but not necessarily code) for older Radeon chipsets.
[05:38] <Mobil> jmarsden, that's what the rave was all about the fact that AMD is going open source
[05:39] <Mobil> jmarsden, hopefully it's true, and linux can get proper drivers
[05:39] <jmarsden> RIght.  But "going" and "got there already" is not the same thing at all.
[05:40] <Mobil> jmarsden, haha yeah
[05:56] <justin_> i'm trying to play a dvd and am not able too :(
[05:56] <justin_> so when i put it in a removable media box pops up and i have an option to open it with vlc
[05:57] <justin_> when i choose that option, vlc comes up but nothing plays
[06:00] <Unit193> justin_: Do you have libdvdcss? I'd bet not.
[06:00] <Unit193> !medibuntu
[06:01] <justin_> so then sudo apt-get install libdvdcss?
[06:02] <justin_> do i have to add a medibuntu repository or something and then install libdvdcss?
[06:02] <Unit193> It's not in the default repos, but you can either add a repo, or use a script provided by libdvdread4 to download the file from that repo.
[06:10] <justin_> ok so i added that repo and then downloaded libdvdcss
[06:12] <justin_> its still not working, but when i select my dvd from vlc i get this http://pastebin.com/DiHhq0kY
[06:13] <justin_> in a logbox thing
[06:13] <justin_> idk if that helps or not
[06:17] <kanliot> are you sure you downloaded libvdvdcss?  did you restart vlc?
[06:18] <kanliot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs/
[06:18] <kanliot> pleaes follow those steps
[06:22] <justin_> yes
[06:22] <justin_> would you like me to post my output from downloading libvdvdcsss?
[06:23] <kanliot> did you mount the dvd?
[06:23] <justin_> oh wait is it, libdvdcss or libvdvdcss?
[06:23] <justin_> because i downloaded libdvdcss
[06:23] <kanliot> no that's my mistake
[06:23] <justin_> idk, how can i tell?
[06:24] <kanliot> mount it with pcmanfm
[06:24] <kanliot> need more help?
[06:24] <kanliot> i can explain that also
[06:24] <Unit193> Also, you may want to check the error message in vlc, it has a messages area.
[06:24] <kanliot> Unit193, he pastebinned his error already
[06:24] <kanliot> look above
[06:25] <Unit193> Ah, monitor went to insanely low setting, must have been when.
[06:28] <kanliot> actually i think i told him wrong again
[06:28] <kanliot> justin_, go to open disk, then theres a drop down blox next to "disc device" select /dev/sr0 and try again
[06:31] <mi3> I am getting this when I try to go to desktop http://imagebin.org/218594 and pcmanfm is not opening , I am on lxde, any suggestions ?
[06:32] <kanliot> ha
[06:32] <kanliot> this si arch aint it
[06:32] <kanliot> ?
[06:33] <kanliot> that window stuff is normal when you don't ahve a background
[06:33] <kanliot> no idea why pcmanfm isn't workin
[06:34] <mi3> hmm
[06:34] <justin_> kanliot, can you go into some detail on how exactly to mount in in pcmanfm?
[06:34] <kanliot> justin see my last comment
[06:34] <kanliot> actually i think i told him wrong again
[06:34] <kanliot>  justin_, go to open disk, then theres a drop down blox next to "disc device" select /dev/sr0 and try again
[06:34] <kanliot> ^that comment
[06:38] <justin_> um, when i right click on the disk i get two options, mount volume and eject removable media
[06:38] <kanliot> sorry my bad
[06:38] <justin_> the "mount volume" option is gray and i can't click it
[06:38] <kanliot> open disk is inside vlc, on the menu
[06:38] <kanliot> i think on the file menu
[06:40] <justin_> um, so media > open disc > play
[06:40] <justin_> and thats when i get that error message i showed earlier
[06:41] <Unit193> mi3: #archlinux, if it isn't Lubuntu, it's not supported here.
[06:41] <kanliot> did you select /dev/sr0?
[06:41] <mi3> but its lxde, right ?
[06:41] <Unit193> Doesn't matter, this only supports Lubuntu, #lxde supports lxde.
[06:42] <mi3> ok.
[06:43] <justin_> oh no i didn't
[06:43] <justin_> and that apparently was the problem lol
[06:43] <justin_> thank you guys
[06:43] <kanliot> :)
[06:51] <mi3> kanliot: you know you can be polite, no need to tell me "please please be serious" ok.
[06:53] <kanliot> if you want to argue with a channel op
[06:53] <kanliot> then please dont accept my help
[06:53] <kanliot> or what i thougt was a friendly advice
[06:53] <mi3> err he is a channel op ?
[06:54] <mi3> :O
[06:54] <mi3> ok.
[13:33] <andree>  hello @ll, what can I check on a machine getting a startup crash message on colord ? (lubuntu recently upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04)
[14:35] <vanfanel_> hi there
[14:35] <vanfanel_> is there an USB-HDD image of Lubuntu 12.04?
[14:35] <vanfanel_> My old Amilo Pi won't boot hybrid mode isos from USB stick
[14:36] <vanfanel_> and it's cd rom reader is broken
[14:39] <vanfanel_> ehm... hello?
[17:28] <smile-busy> bye :)
[18:19] <kvarley> What's the easiest window tiling application for LUbuntu?
[18:20] <bioterror> what do you mean?
[18:20] <wxl> there are "apps" for that?
[18:20] <kvarley> As in you drag the window to the left side of the screen and it fills the left half of the screen.
[18:20] <wxl> or do you mean which window manager?
[18:20] <bioterror> ahhh
[18:21] <bioterror> I dunno, I use windows 7 and gnome 3 :D
[18:30] <wxl> kvarley: do you still out there?
[18:30] <kvarley> wxl: Do I still what?
[18:30] <wxl> kvarley: you asked a question, which i, in turn, asked a question about.
[18:31] <kvarley> wxl: Oh, sorry. I don't mean window manager no. There are apps for it yes, pywo is one I have tried
[18:31] <wxl> kvarley: i have had no experience with such apps, but there are more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager#Third_party_tiling_applications_on_Xorg
[18:33] <wxl> kvarley: ctrlwm looks promising especially if you want easy and want to avoid python https://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php?content=114565
[18:34] <bioterror> wxl, openbox can do that kind of magic
[18:34] <kvarley> thanks wxl I'll try  it
[18:34] <bioterror> you can keybind it to move window somewhere and resize it
[18:35] <kvarley> If this works then I'll be able to run lubuntu full-time on my new system
[18:35] <bioterror> ofcoutse it works
[18:36] <bioterror> when I used openbox, I used to have different kind of configurations for windows
[18:36] <bioterror> http://urukrama.wordpress.com/2011/10/30/manual-tiling-in-openbox/ gives you some hints for example how you do it