[01:14] <khoover> what would be the easiest way to see which directories are the largest on a system, other than dir -SshalR >> log.txt
[01:22] <DarwinSurvivor> khoover: dir? don't you mean du?
[01:22] <khoover> well, i have both
[01:23] <DarwinSurvivor> actually, I think dir is the same as ls (shortcut for windows-transisioning users)
[01:23] <khoover> ah, ls, that's what i was looking for
[01:23] <DarwinSurvivor> you could try one of the GUI one like baobab
[01:24] <DarwinSurvivor> baobab makes it VERY easy to tell where your HDD space is being used up
[01:25] <khoover> suppose that would work, as opposed to find.
[01:25] <khoover> also, has aptitude been updated to work nice with both x86/x64/
[01:25] <khoover> s/"/"/?
[01:27] <DarwinSurvivor> never really used aptitude myself. basically stuck with apt-get/apt-cache/dpkg for cli and synaptic-package-manager/software-center for gui
[01:29] <khoover> thanks for the baobab, btw, rather nice
[01:36] <DarwinSurvivor> khoover: no problem
[01:36] <khoover> damn freenet, was taking up half my hard drive
[01:36] <DarwinSurvivor> lol
[01:36] <khoover> sorry, 1/4, at about 125GB
[01:38] <DarwinSurvivor> I haven't used freenet myself, but there should be a way to set a storage limit on it
[01:40] <khoover> there was, I clearly set it too high
[01:40] <khoover> also, by installing everything as sudo, have I been doing something wrong?
[01:40] <khoover> pretty sure not, but...
[01:42] <bregma> you have to run apt-get with super-user privs, you have no choice
[01:43] <bregma> well, actually, you could tweak policy kit to give you the right privs, but it's more secure to have to enter the admin password every time
[01:44] <khoover> yeah
[01:44] <khoover> figured
[01:44] <khoover> just this one package, Kile, the app freezes every time I run it as non-sudo
[16:58] <LinuxMonkey> Hey guys whats up. just wanted to let you know that the Moncton chapter is holding its first ever event on July 7th :) details on monctonlug.ca :)
[17:08] <genii-around> LinuxMonkey: Woo!
[17:10] <LinuxMonkey> nothing big but its a start right :)
[17:14] <crond> anyone know if that new Asus Ubuntu Netbook is 1) available in Canada, and 2) How it handles the Cedar Trail graphics issue? (is it GMA500 v. 2 and pointless to buy?)
[17:25] <genii-around> crond: http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=40546
[17:26] <crond> genii-around, thanks.  Why does it say
[17:26] <crond> No-OS? lol
[17:28] <crond> LinuxMonkey, "The website has been changed from Joomla to WordPress for various reasons including intergration into facebook and twitter. " -- You make me cry, with your 'social networking' ;)
[17:29] <LinuxMonkey> crond: yeah but what better way to spread the word. Alot more users use those than visit random websites
[17:29] <crond> LinuxMonkey, I suppose.  I'm going to sit over here in my tinfoil hat, however.
[17:29]  * crond doesn't trust facebook or twitter with his datas.
[17:30] <LinuxMonkey> crond: i dont eighter really. but this is free and available data
[17:30] <crond> LinuxMonkey, also a good point
[17:30] <genii-around> crond: "*Product Specifications not compiled by PCCanada and may include errors, omissions and content may not be complete."
[17:31] <crond> genii-around, ah!
[17:31]  * crond will order one anyways
[17:35] <LinuxMonkey> Hahaha backing up windows on a USB drive then I will be resizing the partition on this new pc and install multi flavors of linux :) but mostly Ubuntu :)
[17:36] <LinuxMonkey> new pc :) btw 16gb ram and 256gb SSD with a 2gb storage drive
[17:37] <genii-around> crond: I may wait for one of these: http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/05/new-dell-ubuntu-ultrabooks-a-step-in-the-right-direction-for-linux-support/
[17:37] <genii-around> LinuxMonkey: Nice
[17:39] <crond> genii-around, I don't have much faith in Dell to sell that stuff in Canada
[17:39] <crond> I've only ever been able to get one ubuntu system from dell, it was a mini 12" with Ubuntu, but it had the awful GMA 500 chipset
[17:39] <crond> I think its holding up a bookshelf now.
[17:40] <LinuxMonkey> lol
[17:40] <LinuxMonkey> crond dont rag on dell...my new system is a dell and its tank
[17:41] <crond> LinuxMonkey, I'm just saying they don't sell much of anything with Ubuntu on dell.ca
[17:41] <LinuxMonkey> true
[17:41] <crond> (and the GMA500 was awful, but that isn't really Dell's fault, but Intel's)
[17:41] <LinuxMonkey> true again
[17:50] <genii-around> The best laptops I've found for running Linux generally are Clevo (but they are usually not in your average consumer's price range )  IBM/Lenovo and Acers
[17:53] <crond> I'm pretty happy with my current Asus U31SD
[17:54] <crond> except for one minor issue (Hibernate works, suspend does not), everything works 100%
[18:00] <genii-around> Asus I also like but for the hardware you usually pay a bit more than comparable specs from another manufacturer
[18:01] <genii-around> The last Asus netbook/laptop i used was a 1005HA, I was pretty happy with it
[19:00] <jlamothe> So... I'm thinking of migrating from Ubuntu One to Dropbox because u1 is proving to be really buggy.  Is Dropbox any better?
[19:03] <crond> jlamothe, email canonical and ask them to convince you to stay.
[19:03] <willwh> I second the IBM/Lenovo
[19:03] <willwh> been using since the t41
[19:04] <jlamothe> crond: They can convince me to stay by simply making it sync my files properly.  As it is rigt now, it's compeletely useless.
[19:04] <willwh> they are just built to last :P
[19:05] <crond> willwh, having worked at IBM, I'm minorly wary of ANYTHING they put out
[19:05] <jlamothe> It may have to do with the fact that the bulk of what I've got on there is an ecrypt filesystem bu that shouldn't matter.
[19:05] <willwh> crond: insider knowledge :p
[19:05] <crond> its either really really good, or complete crap.
[19:05] <willwh> ah
[19:05] <crond> you don't get much middle group
[19:06] <crond> er ground.
[19:06] <willwh> I've only ever had good experiences
[20:11] <khoover> hey BobJonkman, where can i find your public key? OpenPGP keeps on bugging me
[20:12] <BobJonkman> It's in the header of the e-mail...  Hang on...
[20:12] <BobJonkman> The header is OpenPGP: url=http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=bjonkman%40sobac.com&fingerprint=on
[20:13] <khoover> all I needed was the server, TB does the rest. Thanks
[20:14] <BobJonkman> Using Enigmail?
[20:15] <BobJonkman> Whenever I get an unknown key Enigmail has a dialog box to download it and add it to my keyring
[20:15] <khoover> yeah, just a matter of picking the right server
[20:15] <khoover> although, oddly enough, it didn't work from sks.
[20:16] <khoover> oh, nvm, sent the wrong key address
[20:16] <BobJonkman> I have a list of servers in Enigmail; I think that if it doesn't find a key on the first one it tries another
[20:16] <BobJonkman> This is my list: keyserver.ubuntu.com, pool.sks-keyservers.net, subkeys.pgp.net, sks.mit.edu, ldap://certserver.pgp.com
[20:17] <khoover> yep. Now i seem to have problems viewing the key properties
[20:18] <BobJonkman> Funny thing... I've just recently had three different occasions to start using signed mail again.  I was transferring PWs to a new admin, then suddenly I get notification of a couple of keysigning parties
[20:18] <BobJonkman> So I turned signed mail on again.
[20:19] <BobJonkman> Hadn't used it in years, 'cos there wasn't anyone else using it
[20:19] <BobJonkman> khoover: What error are you getting about key properties?
[20:20] <khoover> that's the thing; there's no error. Just seems like it fails to perform the action cleanly
[20:20] <khoover> It'll register a click, as the menu closes per norm, but nothing happens.
[20:20] <BobJonkman> Had a recent update to Thunderbird or other OS updates?
[20:21] <BobJonkman> I find that Thunderbird acts funny if it gets an update while I'm using it.  So I apply the "IT Crowd methodology" - try turning it off and on again
[20:22] <khoover> well, the off/on has happened a couple times since last update. as for OS, pretty sure not, unless I missed something at 11pm yesterday.
[20:27] <khoover> also, this probably sounds remarkably stupid, but how would I read a key's entry at sks?
[20:34] <BobJonkman> I just use the Web interface, maybe download a .asc file of my key by clicking on the key ID (d2cce5ea)
[20:35] <BobJonkman> here's a direct link to a page you can save as .asc and import directly into your keyring: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB91289B0D2CCE5EA
[20:41] <khoover> it's all working, just curious as to what the web entry means.
[20:41] <khoover> for instance, why are there so many keys.
[21:38] <jlamothe> Soooo... it's lookig like my problem *might* be a failing hard drive.  D:
[21:39] <jlamothe> Which would make sense since I had another identical drive purchased at the same time fail on me several months ago.
[21:40] <jlamothe> I may need to step up the buying parts for a new computer plan.
[22:38] <BobJonkman> khoover: All those additional keys you see on the web entry for my public key are signatures from other people
[22:39] <BobJonkman> They sign to show they really believe the key they signed belongs to the wetware that calls himself "Bob Jonkman:
[22:41] <BobJonkman> In some cases we've never met, but he's signed my  key because he's sure that the key he's signing belongs to the e-mail address bjonkman@sobac.com.
[22:42] <BobJonkman> All he's concerned about is that when he encrypts mail to me, or sees my digital signature, that it's the key of the same person that he corresponded with earlier.  Doesn't care so much what I call myself, just wants to make sure it's the same person.
[22:42] <BobJonkman> Which is why requiring positive picture ID for a keysigning isn't really necessary.
[22:44] <BobJonkman> this week alone, both jlamothe and LinuxMonkey have made announcements for keysigning events
[22:44] <BobJonkman> Encryption is thick in the air, along with pollen and mosquitos and smog
[22:49] <jlamothe> There's another keysigning party going on?