[00:10] <gebbione> hi
[05:46] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:28] <christel> good morning lovelybell!
[07:06] <DJones> Morning
[07:11] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:11] <christel> morning lovelies
[07:11] <christel> i don't think i am quite awake, i just realised i've made myself three (separate) mugs of coffee
[07:11] <popey> morning
[07:16] <diplo> Morning all
[07:20] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[07:21]  * AlanBell installs lots of quantal updates
[07:22] <AlanBell> christel: I do that too, I find I am warming up a cold mug of coffee in the microwave, whilst putting the kettle on to make a new one
[07:26] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: "Alzheimer's Lite"
[07:26] <AlanBell> a senior moment
[07:26] <christel> AlanBell: haha
[07:54]  * mattt is exhausted today
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> mattt: coffee time
[07:57] <bigcalm> Good mornings peeps :)
[07:57] <MartijnVdS> biggie calms 8-)
[07:59] <mattt> []D
[07:59]  * mattt gulps
[08:04] <bigcalm> That's a good idea
[08:04]  * bigcalm heads to the kitchen and the coffee machine
[08:07] <bigcalm> mrevell: good morning! Joining us tomorrow?
[08:09] <mrevell> bigcalm, Ooh, maybe. I'll have to check a couple of things.
[08:10] <bigcalm> Myself and davmor2 will be there. What more do you need to check?
[08:11]  * bigcalm pokes gord
[08:11] <mrevell> The nature of my meetings tomorrow, for one :)
[08:19] <directhex> quiet day today
[08:20] <bigcalm> directhex: not much work or your baby is sleeping?
[08:20] <directhex> wife is on maternity leave, i am not...
[08:21] <bigcalm> I would hope you'd get paternity leave instead
[08:23] <directhex> bigcalm, i did. 2 weeks of it
[08:27] <brobostigon> congratulations directhex :)
[08:28] <brobostigon> and Mrs directhex
[08:31] <bigcalm> brobostigon: I think she did more of the hard work
[08:31] <brobostigon> bigcalm: well, that is yet to come, also, yes.
[08:37] <christel> aw babies
[08:39] <bigcalm> christel: that almost sounds like an expletive
[08:39] <directhex> it is ¬_¬
[08:40] <bigcalm> :D
[08:40] <directhex> seems to have shut up now. hooray for milk
[08:41] <brobostigon> :)
[08:45] <czajkowski> directhex: :o
[09:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[09:24] <directhex> it is?
[09:28] <bigcalm> directhex: are you breathing?
[09:29] <directhex> more or less
[09:29] <bigcalm> Then it's a good morning :)
[09:37] <dwatkins> I learned recently that the reason babies need feeding so often is that they have tiny stomachs.
[09:37] <AlanBell> is that why I need feeding so often?
[09:37] <christel> AlanBell: absolutely!
[09:37] <AlanBell> thought as much ;)
[09:38] <bigcalm> Hehe
[09:38] <dwatkins> makes sense
[09:38] <bigcalm> Mine wants feeding ale
[09:51] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:56] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[09:57] <davmor2> hey bigcalm how's life dude
[09:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: see what I mean about Pete being a whinger
[09:57] <bigcalm> Hehe
[09:59] <bigcalm> I'm disappointed that Amo won't be there
[10:00] <davmor2> only cause you can't torment him
[10:01] <bigcalm> davmor2: spot on ;)
[10:07] <diplo> Updating to CM9 RC1 today then AlanBell ? :)
[10:09] <AlanBell> diplo: I have downloaded it
[10:09] <AlanBell> and got heimdall kind of working I think
[10:10] <diplo> heh, just saw it in your screenshot for Daniel H :)
[10:10] <diplo> Along with all the pr0n images :P
[10:10] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%202012-06-27%2009:32:51.png this one
[10:11] <diplo> Don't do cm9 for mine, but debating cm7.2
[10:11] <diplo> Just not sure i can be bothered setting it up again/installing apps
[10:11] <diplo> syeah
[10:11] <BigRedS> I have no idea what version I'm running...
[10:11] <diplo> Do it a while ago BigRedS ?
[10:12] <BigRedS> yeah, but I'm pretty sure it was 7.something
[10:12] <ali1234> i'm updating my phone today as well
[10:12] <BigRedS> ah yeah, it's what was stable a few weeks ago 'cause I had to reimage and was disappointed at no upgrde
[10:12] <diplo> Will be 7,1 I'd say. 7.2 is fairly recent
[10:12] <ali1234> to symbian belle
[10:12]  * diplo googles
[10:12] <ali1234> then i'm going to write a long rant explaining everything that's wrong with it, and then downgrade it back to the release firmware
[10:13] <diplo> :D
[10:13] <diplo> lots of round corners!
[10:13] <ali1234> yeah that's pretty much it
[10:14] <BigRedS> haha. I got a symbian old-skool nokia a few weeks ago
[10:14] <BigRedS> I was astounded when it offered me an upgrade
[10:14] <BigRedS> reminded me of those Japanese soldiers that hid out on an island and didn't realise WWII had ended for 30 years
[10:14] <ali1234> nokia manages upgrades, that's one of the benefits of same company making software and hardware
[10:15] <ali1234> of course when the upgrades make it worse that's another problem entirely
[10:17] <ali1234> maybe i'll be surprised and belle fixes all the problems in anna. i doubt it though
[10:23] <BigRedS> "whoops. I just ran shred on sda for a few seconds by mistake. Reckon it'll still boot"
[10:23] <diplo> lol BigRedS
[10:23] <diplo> Guessing a colleague?
[10:23] <kirrus> yup
[10:24] <dwatkins> take away their keyboard
[10:24] <kirrus> "There's no partition table. Err.. there's nothing important on this box, is there?"
[10:24] <directhex> it won't boot. but it may be recoverable. at least most of it.
[10:25] <diplo> yeah I'd go with that as well
[10:25] <directhex> you can reconstruct the partition table by guessing the sector offsets where the partition started and ended (parted simplifies this task), and extX file systems store backup FATs all throughout the file system, precisely to save this situation
[10:25] <BigRedS> doesn't testdisk do that pretty well?
[10:25] <ali1234> mke2fs also has an option to rebuild the tables without wiping anything for the same reason
[10:25] <BigRedS> he's already decided that it needs reinstalling 'cause it's running the 'wrong' distro
[10:26] <ali1234> though it should be able to use a backup superblock in this case
[10:26] <diplo> Have I ever mentioned in here my utter dislike for CentOS/Redhat ?
[10:26] <diplo> :(
[10:27] <BigRedS> No, I thought you loved it?
[10:27]  * n1md4 shredded a partition table 
[10:27] <BigRedS> :)
[10:27] <directhex> centos is silly.
[10:27] <diplo> :'(
[10:27] <directhex> red hat is crap, but used because it has a support phone number, and lots of targetted support.
[10:27] <directhex> centos is a crap distro with user support, minus the user support
[10:28] <BigRedS> and several months behind
[10:28] <diplo> I really am starting to hate it more, wrote some nice python scripts on my ubuntu server, want to test them on real hardware and the machine that's had lot's of OS's on fails on multiple versions of Centos
[10:28] <BigRedS> it's what you use if you feel Debian is too bleeding edge
[10:28] <diplo> I am close to talking my company to using another distro
[10:28] <diplo> Close... not there yet
[10:28] <dwatkins> I thought RHEL had government backing in the US or something.
[10:29] <BigRedS> diplo: do you have any RH?
[10:29] <diplo> Nope not here, all CentOS.. my last place we used RHEL on a few
[10:29] <ali1234> user support for centos is about as pleasant as sticking your head in a blender
[10:29] <dwatkins> What kind of hardware do you have, diplo?
[10:30] <oimon> centos/rhel is pretty decent and stable, just a bit old
[10:30] <diplo> HP thing, can't remember model at the mo
[10:30] <diplo> ali1234: I found that
[10:30] <diplo> I used to idle/help is #centos
[10:30] <diplo> But they were really shitty / not overly nice helpful people
[10:30] <dwatkins> ah ok, shouldn't be too non-standard, then, diplo
[10:30] <diplo> And told me off for helping someone
[10:31] <oimon> why do none of the conky setups work on my machine :(
[10:31] <dwatkins> Debian will run on SGI's ia64 machines, although it's not supported.
[10:31] <diplo> Just downloading newest version of Cent, see if that fixes it
[10:31] <n1md4> oimon: because you're not doing it right :P
[10:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: no alex tonight or tomorrow I'm going to guess at release time or he's at an office
[10:31] <davmor2> gord: you gonna be there tomorrow?
[10:32] <diplo> Never ran Conky, rarely change my background either as i normally have so many screens open I don't see either of them
[10:32] <n1md4> oimon: do you get anything?
[10:32] <oimon> lots of errors. i've prob downloaded them from arch users or something
[10:32] <gord> davmor2: laptop keys are broken so no, can't work on the laptop
[10:32] <BigRedS> diplo: yeah, I keep spending ages getting a pretty conky working, and then realise I never see it
[10:32] <BigRedS> for my own definition of 'pretty'
[10:32] <oimon> i keep realising that a rogue process is sucking the life out of my pc, e.g. thunderbird, firefox, etc
[10:33] <davmor2> gord: you broke your laptop
[10:33] <davmor2> gord: or do you mean Quantal hates your keyboard
[10:33]  * n1md4 <3 arch, and is a user there of
[10:33] <gord> davmor2: K/L keys are basically hanging off, waiting on new ones to be delivered
[10:33] <gord> plastic assembly broke
[10:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: mrevell is tentative as well. Might just be the 2 of us
[10:34] <bigcalm> Yay or nay?
[10:34] <BigRedS> oimon: I'm graphing Firefox and TB memory usage
[10:34] <BigRedS> it's scary
[10:34] <oimon> gone back to ff for its better password management
[10:35] <n1md4> BigRedS: FF sync gave me the really big phone bill!!!
[10:35] <BigRedS> http://avi.co/stuff/tbirdmemory-day.png
[10:35] <BigRedS> n1md4: user error
[10:35] <n1md4> Tor browser all the way :D
[10:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: up to you dude your the one travelling I easy either way in that their network is possibly more reliable than mine, although it's a bit better now I have put my old router on and switched off the wifi on the superhub, I can't find the modem only mode on this hub :(
[10:36] <n1md4> As long as you want an experience of the web from the 90s
[10:37] <bigcalm> davmor2: bring up the superhub web interface. Click on Advanced and then it's under 'Advanced' in the left hand column
[10:38] <n1md4> BigRedS: Oh wow!  I'm not overly surprised, but still, pretty graphs make it all the more real!
[10:38] <bigcalm> 1st mention of Advanced should have been 'Advanced Settings'. It's a small red text link in the bottom centre of the web interface
[10:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: by putting it into modem only mode, the IP of the device will change to 192.168.100.1
[10:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: I think I'd still like to attend tomorrow. See how I feel at the LUG tonight ;)
[10:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: see pm
[10:41] <gord> i don't understand this quassel irc client, why does everyone have their own colour apart from davmor2...
[10:45] <davmor2> gord: KDE knows I'm special
[10:50] <czajkowski> gord: !
[10:50] <gord> hum?
[10:53] <davmor2> czajkowski: Prod
[10:53] <czajkowski> ello
[11:34] <dogmatic69> how can I get rid of seeion keyring on ubuntu server?
[11:34] <dogmatic69> *session
[11:34] <dogmatic69> $ ecryptfs-mount-private
[11:34] <dogmatic69> Enter your login passphrase:
[11:34] <dogmatic69> Inserted auth tok with sig [dafe3183e6abb63d] into the user session keyring
[11:34] <dogmatic69> It keeps unmounting the encrypted partition, possibly when the session expires
[12:17] <gord> popey: all fixed with the corsair water pump now?
[12:17] <popey> yeah, working a treat, thanks
[12:17] <popey> bit noisy
[12:17] <popey> noisier than it was before
[12:18] <directhex> water cooling?
[12:18] <gord> really? can't hear mine, i hear the fan, but not the pump
[12:18] <popey> yeah, fan, not pump
[12:18] <directhex> if i had the money i'd explore water... but i simply can't afford it. i've been on low-noise air for a decade
[12:18] <popey> its a sealed-unit thing
[12:18] <gord> fans are always noisy ;) if its noisier than it was before just make sure its all tightly connected or whatever
[12:19] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO9APx2yKrg
[12:19] <directhex> gord, fans aren't *always* noisy
[12:19] <gord> yeah they are
[12:19] <gord> some make less noise than others, but they are always noisy
[12:19] <directhex> gord, they're not always in excess of the background noise level, once you take into account the noise dampening effects of their surroundings (e.g. being in an acoustically silenced case)
[12:20] <directhex> i can tell when my wife's pc is turned on, from another room. my pc i have to check the light
[12:20] <gord> if they are less than your background noise level, then thats a different issue, you are in a different environment. here in my home office with no one else home, its quit equiet
[12:20] <gord> quiet*
[12:21] <directhex> i remember the good ol' 7 volt trick
[12:22] <directhex> back when i were a lad
[12:22] <gord> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/131656-the-fanless-heatsink-silent-dust-immune-and-almost-ready-for-prime-time looks like of interesting for a silent heat remover
[12:22] <directhex> is that the lockheed martin thing?
[12:22] <directhex> yes
[12:22] <gord> no
[12:23] <directhex> The Sandia National Laboratories, managed and operated by the Sandia Corporation (a wholly owned subsidiary of Lockheed Martin Corporation), are two major United States Department of Energy research and development national laboratories.
[12:25] <directhex> when did i start on my low noise kick... hm... my undergrad p4 machine, i think
[12:26] <directhex> zalman cpu cooler with my own 120mm fan (the zalman 92mm fan was really noisy), zalman gpu cooler, and two ultra low noise 80mm fans modded into the power supply, and the power supply's fans 7 volted & used as case fans
[13:16]  * bigcalm returns to the scene of the crime
[13:21] <christel> you'll so get caught one of these days
[13:22] <DJones> They say criminals always go back to the scene to see how the investigation is going
[13:25] <bigcalm> christel: that's part of the thrill!
[13:48] <bigcalm> Quiet today
[13:51]  * davmor2 awaits the sound of "'Ello, 'ello, 'ello, what's goin' on 'ere then", then the sound of silence, then the look of panic on bigcalm face, then the sound of a siren whisking him away 
[13:52] <bigcalm> :)
[13:54]  * bigcalm tickles popey_
[13:56]  * bigcalm tickles popey
[13:58]  * davmor2 waits for popey_ to get jealous at you tickling popey and visa versa
[13:59]  * diplo thinks bigcalm and davmor2 are bored
[14:00] <bigcalm> diplo: you ain't wrong
[14:00]  * davmor2 wonders how bored diplo is if he is wondering how bored we might be 
[14:00] <bigcalm> davmor2: fix ya modem?
[14:00] <diplo> Out of my brain...!
[14:00] <diplo> I have my mortage/loan etc paperwork lying over my desk
[14:00] <diplo> :(
[14:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: nope got busy at lunch so I'll do it when I knock off about 18:30
[14:03] <gord> aha, never fear davmor2, i moved my irc client over to the slightly better monitor with better colour reproduction, you *do* have your own colour after all! its just very similar to the regular text
[14:03] <diplo> :P
[14:03] <diplo> I have the same issue gord, I know where to put some apps
[14:04] <davmor2> gord: man now I'm miserable now KDE doesn't think I'm special :D
[14:22] <bigcalm> davmor2: don't worry, you'll always be "special"
[14:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: you forgot the gap between the be and "Special"  it makes it more sarcastic then :P
[14:40] <davmor2> for anyone after a microserver http://www.serversplus.com/servers/tower_servers/hp_tower_servers/658553-421
[14:40]  * bigcalm scratches his head
[14:41] <bigcalm> After vat, it'll cost you about 150 quidish
[14:41] <bigcalm> Worth it, I like mine
[14:42] <bigcalm> Takes a wee while to claim the cash back though
[14:42] <bigcalm> I wonder what's up with popey's connection today
[14:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah it just dropped into my inbox so thought I'd share it
[14:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: turn off away and join notifications and you'll never know :D
[14:43] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:43] <DJones> On twitter he described his connection as "Bouncy"
[14:43] <bigcalm> Fun
[14:44] <Monotoko> my work connection enjoys being "bouncy" a lot
[14:45] <christel> is he doing extreme ironing again?
[14:49] <davmor2> christel: Nah he is doing extreme networking, it's his connection not clothing that is bouncy :D
[14:50] <christel> hehe
[15:18] <bigcalm> Ther're all at it now!
[15:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: I think this line sums it all up really SW upgrade Failed before download -TFTP Max Retry Exceeded superhub my a***
[15:37] <bigcalm> :(
[15:37] <bigcalm> Maybe the wrong time of day to do it
[15:38] <bigcalm> Try when you get home tonight
[15:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: first thing in the morning is when the network is most stable ie actually remains up
[15:39] <bigcalm> 1st job tomorrow then :)
[15:40] <bigcalm> Before going to the Lighthouse that is
[15:40] <bigcalm> At least just to get the firmware upgraded. You can make use of it after work
[15:46] <dogmatic69> Anyone else have issues with evolution mail dropping the password?
[15:47] <dogmatic69> about every second day it forgets the password for one email account. This would not normally be an issue, except its a gmail app email account with 2 stage login
[15:48] <dogmatic69> for external clients to work there is a randomly generated pwd which I have to then go log into gmail and reset
[15:48] <davmor2> dogmatic69: that might be why it's dropping
[15:48] <dogmatic69> no, it was fine for the past 4 months. only started happening around 2 weeks ago
[15:49] <dogmatic69> it seems like if the connection drops it will ask for the pwd, with the input blank.
[15:49] <dogmatic69> you can not cancel, it will save the blank pw or a new one you enter.
[15:50] <dogmatic69> well you can click cancel, but that effectively clears the stored pw
[15:53] <gord> spotify wouldn't be half as annoying if it wasn't the same three adverts being repeated every five minutes
[15:55]  * Monotoko ended up paying for spotify
[15:56]  * MartijnVdS gets free Premium spotify from $isp
[15:56] <Monotoko> I heard about that deal...
[15:56] <Monotoko> Virgin?
[15:56] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: xs4all :)
[15:56] <Monotoko> ahhh ^^
[15:56] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: (I'm in the Nether lands)
[15:56] <gord> i would if it were half the price, far too overpriced as is
[15:56] <Monotoko> ohhh nice
[15:57] <Monotoko> gord, I don't know... £5 per month for unlimited streaming is a really good deal, but maybe that's just me :P
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: only if you use it enough
[15:57] <gord> or you could pay £0 a month for unlimited last.fm streaming
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> gord: but then you don't get to choose what they stream to you
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> not 100% anyway
[15:57] <gord> so? i buy music to do that
[15:58] <Monotoko> I use it all day every day... and I'm a student, it's either spotify or pirate for me :P
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> gord: I only use the Premium bit because (a) lastfm streaming to NL is not free, and (b) it's free! :)
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> gord: so my use case might be.. "special"
[15:59] <davmor2> Monotoko: save your £5 and buy a dab radio free music all day
[15:59] <ali1234> yeah this
[15:59] <ali1234> if you don't care what music it is, just get a radio
[15:59] <Monotoko> davmor2, I have a DAB, but you still can't choose what to listen to
[15:59] <Monotoko> that's the problem, I do :P
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: £5 DAB radios? Where?
[16:00] <gord> i might pay for premium if it were £5 a month, then i could use the xbmc and mobile apps which would be pretty nice. but not £10 a month
[16:01] <davmor2> Monotoko: I don't know what you mean I love 80's music so tune into absolute 80's I'm too busy to actually notice what is on it's just background noise on the whole
[16:01] <ali1234> you mean 80s pop music
[16:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: 50% lag on an irc channel isn't great right
[16:01] <ali1234> because that's the only thing they play
[16:02] <davmor2> ali1234: nope, they play pop, rock, dance, disco, light metal
[16:02] <ali1234> all of those are pop music
[16:03] <diplo> Depends, pop=Popular, quite a lot of the stuff I've heard on Absolute wasn't in the popular level :)
[16:03] <gord> does pop just equal stuff people have actually heard of?
[16:03] <ali1234> no
[16:04] <ali1234> pop = anything that was in the top 40
[16:04] <ali1234> singles that is
[16:04] <ali1234> you'll never hear an album track on absolute
[16:05] <diplo> Pop music (a term that originally derives from an abbreviation of "popular") is a genre of popular music which originated in its modern form in the 1950s
[16:05] <ali1234> you'll also never hear anything heavier than whitesnake
[16:05] <diplo> And Whitesnake weren't popular to everyone, well not whilst I was seeing them in concert
[16:06] <davmor2> ali1234: so guns 'n' rose, metallica and led zeplin are all lighter than whitesnake
[16:06] <ali1234> when did you hear metallica on absolute 80s?
[16:06] <ali1234> or led zeppelin?
[16:07] <ali1234> they're not even from the 80s
[16:07] <davmor2> ali1234: yes they were
[16:08] <ali1234> they split up in 1980
[16:08] <davmor2> with their last album
[16:15]  * davmor2 kicks his modem it won't fix it but it doesn't half make me feel better
[16:18] <gord> do you have to use the virgin modem?
[16:19] <davmor2> gord: to connect yes but it's not an actual issue with the modem
[16:21] <davmor2> gord: there is a high utilisation issue in our area, cause obvious virgin can't count how many users might connect, and that needs new hardware in the central exchange which is built to order and so on and so on and so on :(
[16:21] <gord> ah, lame
[16:22] <gord> there was a period when be were having troubles, i just left my phone in teathering mode for a few days
[16:22] <gord> i'm on unlimited 3g though
[16:26] <davmor2> gord: this will take about a month and I have 500MB I don't think it would last especially if there are any bundle app updates
[16:28] <davmor2> gord: I think the issue is they go, right we have 100,000 users in this area, then they do an offer and get 200,000 but only have the hw in place for the 100,000
[16:35] <Monotoko> gord, don't speak of 3G D:
[16:36]  * Monotoko owes a LOT of money to a certain phone company -coughs-
[16:37]  * AlanBell checks the party list http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1824/detail/
[16:39] <davmor2> Monotoko: Then pay it off, this whole economic down turn is now all your fault ;) but then you are keeping the debt collectors employed so 50-50 :D
[16:39] <directhex> if it's vodafone, i'd refuse to pay until they pay some taxes
[16:39] <AlanBell> Monotoko: did you go roaming?
[16:39] <Monotoko> davmor2, it's 5 figures... I'm a student >.<
[16:40] <Monotoko> AlanBell, yeah... my iPhone was stuck downloading something
[16:40] <Monotoko> and kept trying the entire time I was in the USA
[16:40] <davmor2> Monotoko: D'oh
[16:40] <AlanBell> gosh
[16:41] <davmor2> blame apple for making sucky software :D
[16:41] <Monotoko> indeed... I've made a deal with the network to freeze it for a couple'a years >.>
[16:42] <Monotoko> not quite sure what else I can do
[16:42] <christel> AlanBell: BBQ \o/
[16:42] <AlanBell> go to citizens advice Monotoko
[16:43] <AlanBell> christel: yay \o/
[16:43] <christel> auch, that is pretty shitty (the bill)
[16:44] <AlanBell> it is negligent of them not to set a credit limit on your account
[16:44] <AlanBell> oh, also go to ofcom
[16:45] <AlanBell> Monotoko: when did this happen?
[16:45] <Monotoko> christel, £70,000+ at that..... it happened in Janurary, I've spoken to a lot of people about it and they've been "considering" slashing it down to a couple of hundred
[16:46] <AlanBell> crikey. Get a lawyer.
[16:46] <Monotoko> I told 'em straight up there's no way I could ever afford the amount they're asking for
[16:46] <christel> JESUS
[16:46] <christel> that is complete and utterly ridiculous
[16:46] <christel> surely they CANNOT keep you responsible for that
[16:47] <Monotoko> the thing I want to know... if they can happily slash it to a couple of hundred... why the huge charges in the first place?
[16:47] <christel> good point
[16:48] <AlanBell> yeah it is a huge scam, data is not an expensive thing for the operators to roam
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> 3G/2G data gets routed back to the home country first
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> so there is some cost involved
[16:49] <Monotoko> understandably... which is why I'm assuming they're saying a couple of hundred and won't write it off
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: also, if they had notified you earlier of "strange behaviour" you'd have stopped
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> This is their responsibility... and bankrupting random people is bad for PR
[16:50] <Monotoko> MartijnVdS, they said they tried to contact me (I received no calls, except a few messages left on my HOME phone)
[16:51] <Monotoko> I wish they'd just cut me off to be honest
[16:52] <Monotoko> easiest way to get me to give them a ring... or I'd have gone and bought a cheap American phone for the rest of the week
[16:54] <dogmatic69> following on from my evolution issue, lately I can not close it. Clicking the X whites out the window and that is it. Have to killall -9 evolution to get rid of it
[16:54] <dogmatic69> plain killall evolution does nothing to it
[16:55] <directhex> blocking on EDS.
[16:58] <dogmatic69> directhex: me?
[17:04] <bigcalm> davmor2: does The Moon Underwater have aircon? It's ugly and muggey here
[17:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: no it will be ugly and muggy there I imagine mind you they do have a lot of doors if they open them
[17:07] <bigcalm> Fingers crossed
[17:07] <bigcalm> Mmm, steak
[17:07] <bigcalm> Or will I try something else?
[17:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: no you'll have steak
[17:07] <bigcalm> Haha
[17:08] <davmor2> bigcalm: I can tell you what you'll do, you'll look at the menu, you'll make your mind up to have something different you'll get to the till and order the steak
[17:08] <bigcalm> Are you trying to use reverse psychology on me?
[17:09] <bigcalm> And Amo won't be there to tell me to have a pudding
[17:10] <bigcalm> Maybe I'll just stay in my climate controlled car
[17:12] <Nafallo> please do
[17:12] <bigcalm> o.O
[17:15] <christel> have a pudding.
[17:16] <bigcalm> christel: oh, bugger it. Ok
[17:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: Language!
[17:18] <bigcalm> Millennium hand and shrimp
[17:18] <popey> golly, nexus 7
[17:18] <bigcalm> Couldn't have a Nexus 6
[17:18] <davmor2> popey: more importantly pub
[17:19] <christel> i like the pub. noone ever goes to the pub with me :(
[17:19] <bigcalm> christel: I'll got to a pub on wheels with you
[17:20] <davmor2> christel: it's cause you're an angry drunk and beat everyone ;)
[17:22] <christel> davmor2: oh :(
[17:29] <davmor2> christel: Just Jokin' they all love you really but then there is a rumour of a BBQ
[17:49]  * AlanBell has been to a pub with christel 
[17:50] <christel> \o/
[17:53] <kvarley> is offtopic allowed here?
[17:54] <_The_Fred> hellloooo
[17:54] <kvarley> hi
[17:54] <_The_Fred> hello kvarley
[17:55] <_The_Fred> i guess it'll be quiet here while its tea time eh?
[17:55] <kvarley> How are 3D dimensions listed? width*height*depth?
[17:55] <kvarley>  _The_Fred: Yarp, especially on the week day
[17:55] <_The_Fred> yes, or x,y,and z
[17:55] <_The_Fred> are you using blender?
[17:56] <kvarley> Ok thanks. Nope lol trying to work out if this box http://shop.royalmail.com/mailing-boxes/posting-box-medium-380x255x160mm/invt/prod56760076/ will hold my goods or not
[17:56] <_The_Fred> ah - i see
[17:56] <_The_Fred> just a thought though: make sure you measure the inside dimensions...
[17:57] <ali1234> whuuuuuuuuuuuuut
[17:57] <_The_Fred> i think the royal mail list boxes by their external sizes
[17:57] <_The_Fred> it might not be much of a difference, but it depends how tight for you are
[17:57] <ali1234> you do understand... rotations... right?
[17:58] <kvarley> I'm gonna have to get a medium box since one of the books is 30cm tall
[17:58] <_The_Fred> who? me?
[17:58] <_The_Fred> what books are you selling?
[17:59] <_The_Fred> sorry, thats an assumption, i mean shipping...
[17:59] <kvarley> Trading in old revision guides and games
[17:59] <_The_Fred> aha
[17:59] <ali1234> you can transpose two arbitrary orthogonal vectors by rotating 90 degrees through their cross product
[17:59] <_The_Fred> ali1234, top points :)
[17:59] <kvarley> _The_Fred: Trying to scrape some more funds together to get an SDD for the PC I'm building this weekend lol
[18:00] <_The_Fred> kvarley, well, in such a fix, there are quicker ways to make some £... window cleaning, car washing, gardening... just a suggestions
[18:01] <kvarley> _The_Fred: Hehe, I was at work yesterday and have worked out I'll need about a tenner more so this way solves it =]
[18:01] <_The_Fred> cool
[18:01] <kvarley> _The_Fred: I have a HDD I can use while I wait so its not too bad
[18:01] <_The_Fred> i could use a new computer
[18:02] <_The_Fred> I get fed up with all this 10 yr old kit i use
[18:02] <kvarley> What's the easiest window tiling application that will work in LUbuntu?
[18:02] <kvarley>  _The_Fred: Specs? I'm building a budget fanless one
[18:02] <_The_Fred> not a clue im afraid
[18:03] <_The_Fred> kvarley, fanless - thats a nice way to go... fans annoy me when im transcoding videos through the night
[18:04] <_The_Fred> and some of those fanless heatsinks are'nt too costly now, i saw one for less that £20 in the local pc shop
[18:04] <_The_Fred> *than
[18:04]  * _The_Fred curses having sausage fingers
[18:04] <kvarley> _The_Fred: I'm getting a Zacate motherboard so it's APU + Motherboard + heatsink all in one for £95
[18:05] <_The_Fred> cool, thats a decent price
[18:05] <_The_Fred> you have a case?
[18:07] <kvarley>  _The_Fred: Yeah got one from an old build which should do
[18:07] <_The_Fred> i dont know what to do now... I just uploaded an app for review, so all i can do is wait
[18:08] <kvarley> An app for what platform?
[18:08] <_The_Fred> oooo,look at that:my pie's cooked :)
[18:08] <_The_Fred> ubuntu
[18:08] <kvarley> what does it do?
[18:08] <_The_Fred> speech input for ubuntu
[18:09] <_The_Fred> it does need an android phone to make it function, but it works very well
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> That was one cool bit of keynote @ Google
[18:29] <_The_Fred> MartijnVdS, whats the url?
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> _The_Fred: https://developers.google.com/events/io/
[18:40] <_The_Fred> MartijnVdS, thank you
[18:48] <christel> popey: did you purchase one
[18:49] <popey> no
[18:49] <popey> i have sufficient tablets
[18:49] <christel> hehe
[19:13] <jacobw> awesomewm is cool tiling window manger
[19:13] <jacobw> s/manger/manager
[19:13] <jacobw> to say it was awesome would be redundant
[19:41] <Laney> http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/
[19:41] <Laney> cool site
[19:53] <jacobw> some of those were featured on bbc news a few days ago
[19:53] <jacobw> very interesting to see the developments
[19:54] <AlanBell> err crap, I just invited 328 people round to my house
[19:55]  * AlanBell wonders if this G+ event invite thing is an entirely good idea
[19:55] <nperry> AlanBell, I know I just received the email.
[19:55] <nperry> You may need to timetable the trampoline.
[19:55] <jacobw> time to turn your house in to a tardis
[19:55] <AlanBell> it sent an email O.o
[19:55] <jacobw> it's the only rational solution
[19:56] <nperry> AlanBell, yeah...
[19:56] <nperry> A google notification just isn't enough
[20:05] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: You must have a huge house, "and 380 more are invited" :)
[20:07] <AlanBell> yeah, I wonder if George Takei will come round
[20:07] <AlanBell> and Rory Cellan Jones
[20:07] <dogmatic69> lol
[20:07] <AlanBell> gosh, imagine what would happen if George Takei reshared it :/
[20:08] <dogmatic69> Best call the caterers...
[20:08] <dogmatic69> That Charlie Kravetz guy seems wonderful
[20:08] <dogmatic69> hope he can make it
[20:10] <AlanBell> he is a nice chap actually
[20:10] <AlanBell> in a victor meldrew kind of way
[20:12] <dogmatic69> :)
[20:14] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:14] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you upsetting people :p
[20:15] <AlanBell> yeah, with my offensive BBQ invitations
[20:15] <czajkowski> how rude inviting people for food!
[20:15] <czajkowski> how evil of you
[20:17] <AlanBell> Alan Cox is not coming
[20:19] <czajkowski> :/
[20:21] <_The_Fred> whooohooo: Your application Ubuntu Speech Input system was submitted to the Application Review Board.
[20:21] <_The_Fred> : D
[20:39] <AlanBell> nice one _The_Fred
[20:45] <_The_Fred> AlanBell, thanks
[20:46]  * _The_Fred is working furiously on the android app launch
[20:56] <jacobw> _The_Fred: how does it work?
[21:02] <_The_Fred> jacobw, the android app does the voice recognition, and passes the recognised speech as text via TCP to Ubuntu desktop code which types it for you
[21:02] <_The_Fred> you just have to remember to turn off ENTER key appending when using in IRC in case is mishears you
[21:02] <_The_Fred> you just have to remember to turn off ENTER key appending when using in IRC in case is mishears you
[21:02]  * _The_Fred is having Wifi issues thanks to ISP
[21:04] <jacobw> how do you do a return?
[21:04] <_The_Fred> there is a toggle button on the app - nice and easy
[21:05] <_The_Fred> im working on the publish page details for it right now, so it should be available tomorrow
[21:06] <jacobw> what happens in NAT scenarios?
[21:06]  * AlanBell has ticket to the Olympics Opening Ceremony
[21:06] <AlanBell> (technical rehersal thereof)
[21:07] <_The_Fred> jacobw, now thats a great question
[21:07] <jacobw> how is the session established?
[21:08] <_The_Fred> start app on the phone, start program on ubuntu, enter IP address into app, press set, and its ready to go
[21:08] <AlanBell> so they need to be on the same network
[21:08] <_The_Fred> yes
[21:08] <jacobw> that's a reasonable limitation
[21:09] <AlanBell> or ridiculous port forwarding setups which are not really sensible for the application in question
[21:09] <_The_Fred> the update may include bluetooth connection option
[21:09] <jacobw> AlanBell: STUN
[21:10] <AlanBell> yeah, could do, still pointless
[21:10] <AlanBell> the application only works at all if the phone and computer are within visual range
[21:11] <jacobw> that's an unrelated limitation
[21:11] <_The_Fred> not an actual requirement, i was able to dictate an email while cooking
[21:11] <AlanBell> nice
[21:11] <jacobw> i'm suprised how quickly you've managed to implement it
[21:11] <AlanBell> hmm can you get speech the other way too I wonder?
[21:12] <_The_Fred> ha - actualy yes, but i did that only as a test
[21:12] <AlanBell> use orca and speech dispatcher to send speech to the phone, render that text to audio on the phone and you can control your desktop from the phone and hear what it is doing
[21:12] <_The_Fred> i had speech notifications from my desktop about skype IM, emails, etc
[21:13] <_The_Fred> AlanBell, thats great food for thought
[21:13] <_The_Fred> the core problem i face is scope-creep, and for the moment im staying with voice input (dictation), as voice commanding is a much larger issue
[21:14] <jacobw> how does the ubuntu app select text fields?
[21:14] <AlanBell> that is a very good point, do one thing well
[21:14] <_The_Fred> it doesnt, the user does
[21:14] <_The_Fred> you have to select the where you want the text to be inserted
[21:14] <christel> /13/4
[21:14] <christel> oops
[21:15] <AlanBell> three and a bit
[21:15] <_The_Fred> which is a drawback..
[21:15] <jacobw> put the text on the clipboard
[21:15] <_The_Fred> 3 and bit of what?
[21:15] <AlanBell> 13/4 is three and a bit
[21:15] <jacobw> 3.25
[21:16] <_The_Fred> jacobw, thats another item chalked for a future update :)
[21:17] <_The_Fred> AlanBell, christel , is there some score keeping going on?
[21:17] <jacobw> it would eliminate the need to use the ubuntu device to choose a field for your dictation, add another button to app to end the current dictation and put the text on the clipboard
[21:17] <AlanBell> _The_Fred: it was christel trying to switch to window 13 in irssi or something, I was teasing
[21:18] <_The_Fred> ah....i see :)
[21:18] <christel> indeed! :P
[21:18] <jacobw> in addition to the return button, when used with a clipboard manager like diodon, it could be very useful
[21:19] <jacobw> especially with diodon in particular, because of it unity lense
[21:19] <_The_Fred> jacobw, the composition of text was another thorny issue, my testers had such contrasting wants that i decided, for now, just to simply type in what is recognised
[21:20] <_The_Fred> but yes, i think on-app composition/editing will be a hit feature
[21:28] <jacobw> spain ftw
[21:28] <jacobw> morgen
[21:44] <_The_Fred> I just had one excellent suggestion: have the option to forward sensor and other info from the phone in a JSON format...
[23:00] <Azelphur> Hmm, my cursor keeps disappearing in editboxes, really annoying
[23:00] <Azelphur> anyone else seeing this?