[04:47] <aj_quantal> Yay.
[05:42] <astraljava> Hey guys, I've updated the long test case at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Long
[05:43] <pleia2> astraljava: re: CPU "governer applet" - something where you can make adjustments to CPU, or just a monitor?
[05:43] <astraljava> Please have a go at it, either edit it directly, or send feedback in here or the mailing list (I'll announce it on -devel in a minute).
[05:44] <astraljava> pleia2: CPU, don't think it has to do with monitors at all.
[05:44] <pleia2> I mean monitoring CPU
[05:45] <pleia2> but you're saying there may have been an applet that didn't monitor, but instead allowed changes?
[05:46]  * pleia2 writes envelopes to send out stickers
[05:47] <astraljava> Did I say monitoring?
[05:47] <astraljava> I meant governing.
[05:47] <astraljava> Throttling.
[05:47] <astraljava> Whatever there are for that.
[05:48] <pleia2> gotcha
[05:48] <astraljava> The CPU monitoring applet is there for sure.
[05:48] <astraljava> Sorry for being vague.
[05:48]  * astraljava needs to get ready to go to work, at least the office... ;
[05:48] <astraljava> ;)
[05:48] <pleia2> see you :)
[05:49] <astraljava> I'll be back online in about 40 minutes or so.
[06:28] <astraljava> o/
[06:32] <astraljava> pleia2: You mentioned a draft for the release notes, can I find them somewhere?
[06:32] <pleia2> astraljava: in xubuntu.org wordpress, have a login?
[06:33] <pleia2> it's a draft post
[06:36] <astraljava> Hrm... I don't think so, and I'm not seeing where I could sign up. :)
[06:37] <pleia2> it's handled through launchpad, I'll check
[06:37] <pleia2> ok, well the only thing it has is "Xfce 4.10" :)
[06:37] <pleia2> so we can probably collaborate elsewhere
[06:39] <pleia2> astraljava: mind a PM?
[06:39] <pleia2> (see if we can get you set up)
[06:40]  * pleia2 should go to bed soon
[06:40] <astraljava> Heh... you really don't have to ask. :)
[06:40] <pleia2> :)
[06:53] <pleia2> 21:06:43 -queuebot:#ubuntu-testing- Builds: Upgrade Xubuntu amd64 [Quantal Alpha 2] (20120627) has been added
[06:53] <pleia2> in #ubuntu-testing!
[06:53] <pleia2> muy useful :)
[07:01] <astraljava> Well, it is. It's also on -release.
[07:34] <hobgoblin> astraljava: of course what I meant to add to my - perhaps this for the testing long thing was - pidgin !!! I hate pidgin - I'd rather test xchat :p
[07:34] <Unit193> Pidgin is good for IM, but not IRC.
[07:35] <hobgoblin> :)
[07:35] <hobgoblin> I'm old ... 
[07:41] <astraljava> Yeah, come to think of it, is pidgin even the default app for IRC in the first place?
[07:42] <astraljava> Can I test this somehow?
[07:42] <Unit193> irc://irc.freenode.net/xubuntu ?
[07:43] <astraljava> Right, I'll try that, thanks.
[07:46] <hobgoblin> well tbird fails to let me setup my accounts :)
[07:48] <astraljava> hobgoblin: Is this on 26th images? Please check if there's an existing bug, if not, please also file it.
[07:49] <hobgoblin> ok
[07:51] <astraljava> Ahh... it isn't associated with any app by default.
[07:52] <astraljava> I actually think people would use xchat more than pidgin for IRC.
[07:52] <astraljava> knome: Opinion?
[07:53] <Unit193> astraljava: I don't care if they want to, they need to use xchat rather than pidgin.
[07:54] <astraljava> *rolls eyes*
[07:54] <astraljava> ;)
[07:58] <hobgoblin> ok - so how do you change localisation - added some but then what?
[07:59] <astraljava> Good question, lemme check.
[08:00] <astraljava> ...and that case is very poorly worded, too.
[08:04] <astraljava> hobgoblin: I didn't find any other way than logging out and choosing another language while at the greeter.
[08:04] <hobgoblin> oh - ok :)
[08:05] <astraljava> The list in Language Support kept having it as disabled even after the installation.
[08:05] <astraljava> I don't know what _is_ the expected way.
[08:05] <astraljava> I always use just the English that I install.
[08:06] <hobgoblin> funnily enough - that's what I use too :)
[08:16] <hobgoblin> astraljava, ok that worked - had no idea at all what the menu's said - but they were there :)
[08:17] <astraljava> Yep, it works for me as well. I'm gonna edit the case and suggest doing that.
[08:18] <hobgoblin> k
[08:19] <hobgoblin> so the only oddity I got was with thunderbird
[08:20] <hobgoblin> trying the resize one now 
[08:25] <astraljava> Great, thanks!
[08:25] <astraljava> I'm a little unsure what to type into that case. I suppose it's enough to check the desktop that the things in the UI are translated, we're really not wanting to check all applications here.
[08:26] <hobgoblin> astraljava, thinking about the pidgin thing - the images that show during the install are of pidgin - so perhaps I would leave it - those of us that use irc clients - do so
[08:26] <hobgoblin> yea I'd agree with that - unless someone is bi/tri/loads-lingual all they can do is see if things look foreign to them :)
[08:27] <astraljava> That's right. And a good point re: pidgin. I'll leave it, then.
[08:27] <hobgoblin> should installs testing check encryption - not seen that written anywhere?
[08:36] <astraljava> Hmm... let's add that as a topic for tonight's meeting.
[09:12] <hobgoblin> astraljava: so - the 64bit livecd is not asking to remove before reboot - old bug I've seen before - should I ry and find the number 
[09:42] <astraljava> hobgoblin: Yep, sure. Thanks!
[09:43] <hobgoblin> sigh :( you were supposed to say that's ok no need to spend hours trying to search launchpad for a bug :p
[09:44]  * hobgoblin will let triage sort it out - already spent 30 minutes looking 
[09:50] <knome> astraljava, while the irc-part of pidgin is not so good, pidgin is a good all-round IM client
[09:50] <knome> astraljava, xchat doesn't do other IM
[09:51] <ochosi> knome, astraljava, pleia2: sorry guys, i won't be able to attend today's meeting. (my gf has her state exam at the same time, i hope that's a good-enough excuse :) )
[09:51] <ochosi> s/guys/gals'n'guys/
[09:51] <hobgoblin> I'd let you off if I counted :)
[09:52] <knome> heh..
[09:52] <ochosi> hobgoblin: thanks, much appreciated :)
[09:52] <knome> i'm not sure if i can either... but i'll try to.
[09:52] <ochosi> quick artwork roundup: i've continued to improve greybird's gtk2 performance, new notebook-style etc.
[09:52] <ochosi> testing and feedback would be appreciated
[09:55] <astraljava> hobgoblin: You're actually expecting me to let you off easy? *pfft* This is no summer vacation camp. This is hard labour.
[09:55] <ochosi> knome: what do you think of getting more high-quality themes into xubuntu?
[09:55] <knome> ochosi, sounds good, but are there?
[09:56] <knome> especially those which suppport both 2/3
[09:56] <ochosi> knome: i recently started contacting people on deviantart to see whether they'd be willing to accept a few xfce-specific patches
[09:56] <knome> aha
[09:56] <astraljava> knome: Yeah, and like hob just mentioned, it's in the slideshow.
[09:56] <knome> astraljava, that too. but changing the slideshow isn't too hard, really
[09:57] <knome> astraljava, we should do that anyway.
[09:57] <ochosi> knome: this one is a bit too close to greybird visually, but there are more "complete" themes like this: http://satya164.deviantart.com/#/d4nk24s
[09:58] <knome> ochosi, in that case, just make a list of them and let's go through them someday
[09:58] <ochosi> knome: yeah, i'll try
[09:58] <knome> k, good
[09:59] <astraljava> ochosi: Btw. if you'd like to see some UI-related tests (or just a description for appearance inspection), have at it on the /Long, it's not quite there yet, but it'll do for now.
[09:59] <ochosi> knome: but personally, a pre-requisite for getting a theme in would be that the author continues to maintain it. i'm definitely not taking on more themes for maintenance :]
[09:59] <hobgoblin> astraljava: nope - I expect hard labour - I did do 3 installs one after the other - but searching launchpad is for the foolhardy :p
[09:59] <astraljava> Hehehe. :)
[09:59] <knome> ochosi, yes, sounds sensible
[09:59] <astraljava> Yeah I agree, it's sometimes frustrating.
[10:00] <hobgoblin> and I gave up after almost an hour :(
[10:00] <ochosi> knome: another thing i'd like to bring up in the next meeting/s: now that crt monitors are vanishing from the face of the earth, do we really need a screensaver by default? wouldn't a screen-locker suffice?
[10:00] <astraljava> hobgoblin: That's alright, thanks for trying. :)
[10:00] <knome> ochosi, will you just throw that in the meeting agenda?
[10:00] <ochosi> astraljava: just read through the long test, where is the appearance part exactly?
[10:00] <hobgoblin> astraljava: I know there's a bug out there as I've seen it on dev version release notes ... I'll let someone mark the dupe as such ... 
[10:00] <astraljava> knome: Can you help me with getting to the wp of our website? princess tried to get my ubuntu SSO working on it, but we failed.
[10:01] <astraljava> ochosi: No, you misunderstood. We're counting on _you_ to add it. :D
[10:01] <knome> astraljava, will do. what do you need to do there?
[10:01] <ochosi> astraljava: ah ok :)
[10:01] <astraljava> ...if you'd like to have it, that is. :)
[10:02] <astraljava> knome: Release notes, she said she added a draft there.
[10:03] <astraljava> ochosi: Naturally you don't need to type it alone, but I'm at least very poorly suited for that line of work.
[10:11] <ochosi> astraljava: ok, i added a few lines
[10:11] <ochosi> astraljava: let me know what you think
[10:27] <astraljava> ochosi: Yeah, I'm ok with that, as it's much more difficult to pin-point any better than you have already done. Thanks!
[10:28] <ochosi> astraljava: ok, if you - in the course of testing - get to better formulations don't hesitate to replace/improve :)
[10:31] <ochosi> bbl
[10:38] <astraljava> Thanks, will do. Same goes for everyone, on every test as well.
[10:54] <knome> i'm off now. will be back later today, and i'll try to make the meeting this time
[11:06] <hobgoblin> 32 bit refuses to boot from usb for me 
[11:08] <hobgoblin> not sure if it is a bug or just me - redid the thing 3 times 
[11:13] <astraljava> hobgoblin: How does it refuse? Blank screen? Error messages?
[11:13] <hobgoblin> blinking cursor in the top corner - nothing at all happens other than that 
[11:14] <astraljava> Meh. Ok, file a bug, I'll verify in the evening when I get home.
[11:15] <astraljava> Or... check if there's one already first. :)
[11:15] <hobgoblin> :)
[11:39] <hobgoblin> astraljava: I posted on the forum - see if anyone else has it before I start with bugs - but I just tried again after reburning the iso - still nothing for me
[13:09] <astraljava> Alright, well, I'll verify during th evening. Make sure to paste the number here if you end up filing it, so I can mark 'affects me too' if it happens on my system as well.
[13:11] <astraljava> knome: I'm afraid I'll have to pass on tonight's meeting, surprising engagements I cannot ignore. Rest of the team: If none of the leads (ochosi, knome, pleia2 nor mr_pouit) is available, make sure to post the minutes to the mailing list after the discussion. You can follow the agenda as best as you can.
[13:21]  * micahg will have to miss another meeting, but will hopefully be back in sync for the following one
[13:28] <hobgoblin> astraljava, you can forget all about our earlier conversation - seems bios was playing games with me here 
[14:00] <ochosi> gotta go now, have a good meeting everyone!
[15:30]  * hobgoblin is not doing 5 installs in one day again 
[15:34] <pleia2> sorry I'm late
[15:35] <pleia2> but it seems like no one was really around today :)
[16:10] <hobgoblin> pleia2: it's still quiet :)
[17:17] <pleia2> astraljava: put a link to your email on g+ and twitter
[18:06] <knome> pleia2, hullo :)
[18:07] <pleia2> hi knome!
[18:23] <knome> what's up?
[18:30] <pleia2> work work, the usual
[18:40] <pleia2> knome: oh, how do we add someone to xubuntu.org blog? I tried to add astraljava last night, failed :)
[18:40] <knome> pleia2, that wasn't xubuntu.org fail, that's LP openid fail (most probably)
[18:40] <knome> pleia2, but the instructions:
[18:40] <knome> pleia2, everybody in LP ~xubuntu-team has access to everything non-published
[18:41] <knome> pleia2, everybody in LP ~xubuntu-website has access to everything
[18:41] <knome> pleia2, you don't need to touch WP
[18:41] <pleia2> oh
[18:42] <pleia2> so I thought we had to add a user and then associate it with openid (it's what we do with fridge)
[18:43] <pleia2> so astraljava should just be able to click "login" and it works
[18:43] <knome> nope!
[18:43] <knome> yes.
[18:43] <pleia2> if not, maybe rt ticket?
[18:43] <knome> he should, i tried to go through it with him today but it didn't work
[18:43] <knome> yes, that's filed... :)
[18:43] <pleia2> \o/
[18:44] <knome> but yeah, no need to touch the WP users table
[18:44] <pleia2> ok, so, release notes for tomorrow
[18:44] <pleia2> anything aside from Xfce 4.10? 
[18:44] <knome> i looked at the notes and that looks good.
[18:46] <pleia2> gimp 2.8 is kind of a big deal, maybe mention that too
[18:47] <knome> if you want...
[18:47] <knome> :)
[18:47] <knome> maybe add generally "new/updated versions of applications, such as..."
[18:47] <pleia2> ok
[18:48] <knome> because it's not just gimp that's updated ;)
[19:04] <pleia2> ok, "Updated applications, including GIMP 4.8 and gThumb 3.0.1"
[19:04] <pleia2> really not much else ;)
[19:04] <astraljava> o/
[19:05] <astraljava> Good day my fellow citizens, I don't mean to intrude...
[19:11] <astraljava> knome: Am I to 1) file a ticket at rt.ubuntu.com, 2) ask about it on #canonical-sysadmin, AND 3) email about it to rt@ubuntu.com?
[19:12] <astraljava> This is the most exhaustive issue resolution process I've ever heard thus far.
[19:17] <pleia2> rt@ubuntu.com adds a ticket to rt.ubuntu.com, if they don't respond in 2 days, nag them in #canonical-sysadmin with the ticket number
[19:18] <pleia2> but they've been better about responding lately, I don't usually need to go to #canonical-sysadmin anymore
[19:18] <astraljava> Ahh, well then as I've already filed it on the website, the email is redundant, then?
[19:18] <pleia2> yep
[19:18] <pleia2> just make sure you know the ticket number :)
[19:19] <knome> astraljava, yes, just file a ticket and start nagging at #canonical-sysadmin right away
[19:19] <astraljava> Well as I've already mentioned it on the channel, there's a record about it.
[19:19] <knome> ^ the knome procedure
[19:20]  * pleia2 sysadmin by day, no likely instant nagging
[19:21] <pleia2> I'll get to the ticket! leave me alone! :)
[19:23] <knome> well as you know, i won't...
[19:25] <astraljava> I do support 20% of my time, so yeah, I don't feel like doing that either. :)
[19:36] <astraljava> Anyone else done tests?
[19:36]  * astraljava is likely to wake up early tomorrow morning and run the remaining ones.
[19:37] <knome> good, then i don't have to do any :P
[19:39] <Unit193> I'm all synced up, just have to see if that computer gets free so astraljava can yell at me.
[19:39]  * pleia2 works on her Espanol while running /Long
[19:40] <pleia2> "Confirm that the main menus and outputs in the desktop are translated."
[19:40] <pleia2> the calendar is not :( what to report against?
[19:41] <astraljava> orage?
[19:41] <pleia2> k
[19:42] <astraljava> I'm not sure, that's why the question mark.
[19:42] <pleia2> I'll put it there and add it to the iso tracker, someone can reassign if needed
[19:42] <astraljava> True.
[19:42] <knome> i'd imagine it's orage
[19:42] <pleia2> so is this a fail?
[19:42] <astraljava> Yes. Localisation is a big thing.
[19:44] <pleia2> ok
[19:45] <pleia2> I am a bug reporting machine today! (sorry)
[19:45] <Unit193> Good! I hate reporting them.
[19:45] <Unit193> Maybe I can just pull up your reports.
[19:46] <pleia2> I'll link them all in the tracker, so they'll be easy to find
[19:46]  * elfy didn't notice the calendar - never use the thing 
[19:46] <pleia2> will take a few hours though, since I'm doing /Long throughout breaks in my work day ;)
[19:46] <pleia2> oh, and doing this all on the Alt installer test
[19:46] <knome> idi^Wweird^Wawesome!
[19:47] <pleia2> I don't mind reporting bugs I know are bugs through a simple interface to friendly developers :)
[19:47]  * pleia2 frowns at Debian
[19:48] <knome> heh
[19:48]  * Unit193 hates anything except apport pulling them up for me and doing all the work, then it's clear what package and what title as well as dupe.
[19:51] <astraljava> pleia2: What, I was so glad when I heard LP has an email API for reporting bugs! :)
[19:55] <pleia2> astraljava: I don't love having to consult a documentation page to remember how to submit or update a bug ;)
[19:58] <astraljava> You're just not filing enough of them, then. :D
[19:58] <knome> yes. please do more tests.
[20:00] <pleia2> do we put the bugs that make the test fail in the "Critical" field?
[20:01] <pleia2> yes, yes we do
[20:01] <knome> hmm.
[20:01] <knome> in that case, what isn't critical?
[20:01] <knome> astraljava, again, please correct me
[20:01] <knome> but i thought critical is "i can't finish the test"
[20:02] <knome> because if there is even one bug that fails the test, and all those should be critical, why even have the "pass/fail" boxes
[20:02] <astraljava> knome: Yes, I asked about this in the QA meeting last week, and balloons said they're probably going to remove the critical marking altogether.
[20:02] <knome> because every test with a critical bug is fail
[20:02] <knome> okay
[20:02] <knome> makes sense
[20:02] <astraljava> It does, yeah.
[20:02] <knome> thanks for clarification
[20:03] <astraljava> Sorry for forgetting to do that earlier.
[20:03] <knome> np
[20:07] <elfy> I'm still all at sea with this critical and not stuff - all I am sure of is that a failure to install grub so it boots should be 
[20:13] <astraljava> elfy: Critical is pretty much everything that denies you from completing a testcase. It doesn't have to mean you couldn't do _other_ things, but if one case fails, then the test fails.
[20:13] <pleia2x> I'm thinking for this Pidgin testing we want to tell people to use #xubuntu-devel rather than #xubuntu (long test)
[20:13] <pleia2x> I am testing xubuntu!
[20:14] <knome> pleia2, or -testing. i wouldn't want people come here and tell they're testing
[20:15] <pleia2> I'm reserved about creating new channels, don't want it to become a dev-less echo chamber
[20:15] <knome> me too.
[20:15] <knome> or -offtopic?
[20:15] <knome> i don't know.
[20:16] <pleia2> yeah, maybe tell them to join -offtopic
[20:17] <astraljava> Well, both current on-topic channels have problems for this particular case.
[20:17] <astraljava> I don't have a good solution for this right now.
[20:19] <Unit193> Just like the ubiquity slideshow, they normally don't need help, they just want to comment that it's cool they can talk as well as install, which isn't a bad thing, just isn't support.
[20:20] <knome> testers should know about ontopic and offtopic though
[20:20] <knome> they are already familiar with the community
[20:20] <pleia2> the test specifically tells them to join #xubuntu
[20:20] <knome> but if we then say to join #xubuntu, that isn't good either
[20:20] <knome> pleia2, i know
[20:20] <genii-around> Hm
[20:21] <elfy> astraljava: thanks - think I've got it :) 
[20:21] <elfy> I only actually failed one of those I did 
[20:22] <Unit193> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dylanmccall/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/preview/xubuntu/slides/index.html#?controls no this.
[20:22] <Unit193> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=xubuntu&nick=xubuntu...&prompt=1
[20:22] <astraljava> elfy: Cool. :)
[20:24] <elfy> was a pretty big fail in my opinion 
[20:24] <knome> what's the ops list for #x anyway?
[20:25] <pleia2> /msg chanserv access #xubuntu list
[20:25] <knome> yeah but
[20:25] <knome> that's not current, is it?
[20:25] <knome> the IRCC channel cleanup isn't done yet?
[20:25] <pleia2> I don't know
[20:26] <knome> or if it is, we need to continue doing stuff
[20:26] <pleia2> https://launchpad.net/~irc-xubuntu-ops is the lp team
[20:28] <knome> the factoid is now updated per the channel access list.
[20:30] <pleia2> ok, done long with alt 64-bit, I don't think I'll really have time for more tests though :(
[20:30] <knome> pleia2, thanks for doing that
[20:30] <knome> brb
[20:36] <astraljava> pleia2: Thanks very much for that! I'll wake up early to do a few of them before heading off to work.
[20:48] <elfy> I can do a couple of 32bit alternates tomorrow - both the entire disk ones if it helps