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debfxScottK: what happened to my qtcreator backport request (bug #997826)? is it blocking on something?07:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 997826 in Precise Backports "Please backport qtcreator 2.5.0-0ubuntu1 (universe) from quantal" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99782607:53
micahgdebfx: I think he forgot to subscribe archive, but I can upload it now07:54
micahgdebfx: there's a new version in quantal now though, can you retest?07:56
debfxmicahg: I'd prefer to backport the older version. The last upload reverted some things that I changed in the package. Fixing that is on my todo list.07:58
micahgdebfx: hrm, ok, well, I'll leave that for ScottK then07:59
Riddelltesting testing testing08:37
davmor2Riddell: no can't see a thing it obviously isn't working ;)08:38
seaLnehmm so printer settings allow you to select custon paper size but not to specify what the custom size is....09:28
seaLneRiddell: was it you that did printer stuff?09:28
Riddellmm might well have been09:29
Riddellbut I'm kindae hoping dantti will finish his sometime soon09:29
Riddellusing system-config-printer-gnome might be a workaround09:32
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1018750] VirtualBox 4.1.18 crashes. Segfault in libQtCore.so.4.8.1 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1018750 (by Mikko Valkonen)09:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1018750 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "VirtualBox 4.1.18 crashes. Segfault in libQtCore.so.4.8.1" [Undecided,New]09:38
BluesKajHey all10:21
Riddellhi10:21
BluesKajmy widget searchbox suddenly disappeared 10:23
BluesKajI really don't miss the searchbox though, clicking all in categories and sliding them across works just as well10:40
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apacheloggerRiddell: nope12:20
apacheloggerRiddell: well, it could nominate12:20
apacheloggerbut not actually create it12:20
apacheloggerfor lack of permissions12:20
apachelogger(ad creating newpackage bugs for current series)12:21
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ScottKdebfx: I got lost in what's the new way to do it and then forgot.  Since it's no longer the current version you want backported, please do a direct upload with just the new changelog entry and then ping me so I can accept it.12:54
debfxScottK: qtcreator is in the queue14:09
* ScottK looks14:34
ScottKdebfx: Done.14:37
debfxthanks14:38
soeehi14:48
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [995049] package libqt4-help (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: short read on buffer copy fo... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/995049 (by Simon Čopi)14:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 995049 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "package libqt4-help (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: short read on buffer copy for backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libQtHelp.so.4.8.1'" [Undecided,Invalid]14:58
shadeslayerjussi: I didn't get time to go shopping :(14:58
Riddellno sauee for sari?15:00
soeehi, are there any works on 4.9 RC1 for 12.04?15:01
JontheEchidnalooks like Debian removed Qt3 last week15:08
ScottKThey did.15:08
JontheEchidnaare we going to do likewise for this cycle?15:09
RiddellJontheEchidna: needs looking into but I'd be all for it15:09
JontheEchidname too15:09
ScottKFirst cycle post-LTS is the time to do big things like that.15:10
JontheEchidnaWe should probably start by removing all the rdepends that are also removed in debian, and then remove the ubuntu-only ones/remove the Qt3 portions of ubuntu-only ones15:10
ScottKYeah.15:10
JontheEchidnabtw, I'll look at replacing kcm-gtk with kde-gtk-config in our seeds/filing for kcm-gtk removal when I get home today15:13
yofelJontheEchidna: drop xsettings-kde from the seed as well then, and we'll have to set the defaults for the gtk3 ini file in startkde and kubuntu-default-settings (I can do latter as I pretty much know what needs to be done)15:38
JontheEchidnaok15:38
debfxJontheEchidna: does it support different gtk themes for different sessions?15:45
JontheEchidnadunno15:45
debfxthat was the main reason we kept kcm-gtk15:45
JontheEchidnakcm-gtk is unmaintained, though15:46
debfxis it broken in any way?15:46
JontheEchidnanot that I know of15:46
JontheEchidnabut the new one supports gtk3 whereas kcm-gtk doesn't15:47
debfxit does support gtk3 through xsettings-kde. it might not support gtk3-only themes though.15:48
debfxthe biggest problem with qt3 removal is the LSB requirement. there was some discussion on the ubuntu-devel list but I can't remember the outcome.15:59
Riddelldebfx: mm yes16:05
Riddellhowever if LSB is out of date, probably best to ignore it16:05
littlegirlHey there, the about.xml system document says, 16:06
littlegirl"Kubuntu includes more than 1,000 pieces of software and has access to more than 25,000 other applications to suit your needs." and I was wondering how I can check the numbers.16:06
Riddellthey're pretty arbitrary numbers, what is a "piece of software"?16:07
genii-aroundYes, very fuzzy16:07
littlegirlI think it means the default applications. Should I change the wording?16:07
Riddellyou can count the applications with  find /usr/share/applications/ -name *desktop | wc -l16:07
BluesKajno wonder linux is such a puzzle 16:08
Riddelland compare it to   dpkg -L app-install-data | wc -l16:08
littlegirlThanks! I'll run those inside of Quantal. (:16:08
littlegirlWhat about the other number?16:08
Riddelllittlegirl: which other numbers?16:09
littlegirlThe more than 25,000 other applications to suit your needs. Is that one accurate?16:09
Riddellprobably not16:09
Riddelldpkg -L app-install-data | wc -l   is all the GUI applications16:09
littlegirlAh, okay, thanks. (:16:10
littlegirlI get the impression, though, that what that sentence is saying is that X number of applications (GUI and command line) come by default in Kubuntu, and X number are available if you want them in addition to those.16:11
Riddellyep16:11
Riddellbut the figures are probably packages rather than applications, which isn't very user friendly16:11
littlegirlI can't imagine anyone ever installing all 25,000. (:16:11
debfxRiddell: that would be my opinion as well but I feel we should try to reach on consensus on ubuntu-devel before we break LSB compatibility16:12
littlegirlI grabbed the daily build of Quantal and put it in a virtual machine. Can I just run updates on that or do I need to download a fresh copy daily?16:13
Riddellit should update fine16:13
Linkmasterlittlegirl: muon tells me that there is 36 odd thousand available packages to me =P with only 1600 installed xD16:14
littlegirlLinkmaster: Thanks - then I'll definitely change the 25,000 to 36,000. (:16:17
littlegirlThe find command gives me 118 and the dpkg command gives me 4952, which are way different from 1,000. (:16:18
Riddellbetter not to talk about packages, they're pretty arbitrary for users, applications is better16:18
littlegirlHow's this for an improvement: "Kubuntu includes more than 1,000 packages (applications or utilities) and has access to more than 39,000 other packages to suit your needs."16:27
littlegirlThe way I see it, the sooner the user is introduced to the word "package", the better, since that's what Kubuntu uses. (:16:28
littlegirlI have a suggestion for the Launchpad work items. (:16:34
shadeslayerRiddell: are you in Tallinn?16:35
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ScottKdebfx: The next version of the LSB will call for Qt4.  It should be out before the next LTS and those releases are the ones that ISVs target.16:39
debfxScottK: Qt 4 is already a requirement in the current LSB.16:50
ScottKBoth versions are?16:50
debfxyes16:50
ScottKOK.16:50
soeeare you using maybe owncloud ?16:54
jussishadeslayer: ahh well, such is life16:54
shadeslayeryeah, you should have told me atleast 3-4 days ago :P16:55
jussishadeslayer: yeah, didnt know I had tickets until just before you found out i was going :D16:57
shadeslayer:D16:57
bambeeevening19:05
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1005677] Re-emergence of "Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widg... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1005677 (by Doug McMahon)20:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1005677 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Quantal) "Re-emergence of "Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)'"" [High,Confirmed]20:10
* Riddell off to akademy22:00
skreech_:-)22:12
ronnocRiddell: I really think that Ubuntu One service menu should be included by default in 12.10 :)22:17
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [990635] Sans serif cyrrilic font in kubuntu 12.04 and 12.10 is bad @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/990635 (by Kirill Bogdanenko)22:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 990635 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "Sans serif cyrrilic font in kubuntu 12.04 and 12.10 is bad" [Undecided,Confirmed]22:17
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