[07:53] <debfx> ScottK: what happened to my qtcreator backport request (bug #997826)? is it blocking on something?
[07:54] <micahg> debfx: I think he forgot to subscribe archive, but I can upload it now
[07:56] <micahg> debfx: there's a new version in quantal now though, can you retest?
[07:58] <debfx> micahg: I'd prefer to backport the older version. The last upload reverted some things that I changed in the package. Fixing that is on my todo list.
[07:59] <micahg> debfx: hrm, ok, well, I'll leave that for ScottK then
[08:37] <Riddell> testing testing testing
[08:38] <davmor2> Riddell: no can't see a thing it obviously isn't working ;)
[09:28] <seaLne> hmm so printer settings allow you to select custon paper size but not to specify what the custom size is....
[09:28] <seaLne> Riddell: was it you that did printer stuff?
[09:29] <Riddell> mm might well have been
[09:29] <Riddell> but I'm kindae hoping dantti will finish his sometime soon
[09:32] <Riddell> using system-config-printer-gnome might be a workaround
[09:38] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1018750] VirtualBox 4.1.18 crashes. Segfault in libQtCore.so.4.8.1 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1018750 (by Mikko Valkonen)
[10:21] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[10:21] <Riddell> hi
[10:23] <BluesKaj> my widget searchbox suddenly disappeared 
[10:40] <BluesKaj> I really don't miss the searchbox though, clicking all in categories and sliding them across works just as well
[12:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: nope
[12:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, it could nominate
[12:20] <apachelogger> but not actually create it
[12:20] <apachelogger> for lack of permissions
[12:21] <apachelogger> (ad creating newpackage bugs for current series)
[12:54] <ScottK> debfx: I got lost in what's the new way to do it and then forgot.  Since it's no longer the current version you want backported, please do a direct upload with just the new changelog entry and then ping me so I can accept it.
[14:09] <debfx> ScottK: qtcreator is in the queue
[14:34]  * ScottK looks
[14:37] <ScottK> debfx: Done.
[14:38] <debfx> thanks
[14:48] <soee> hi
[14:58] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [995049] package libqt4-help (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: short read on buffer copy fo... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/995049 (by Simon Čopi)
[14:58] <shadeslayer> jussi: I didn't get time to go shopping :(
[15:00] <Riddell> no sauee for sari?
[15:01] <soee> hi, are there any works on 4.9 RC1 for 12.04?
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> looks like Debian removed Qt3 last week
[15:08] <ScottK> They did.
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> are we going to do likewise for this cycle?
[15:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: needs looking into but I'd be all for it
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> me too
[15:10] <ScottK> First cycle post-LTS is the time to do big things like that.
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> We should probably start by removing all the rdepends that are also removed in debian, and then remove the ubuntu-only ones/remove the Qt3 portions of ubuntu-only ones
[15:10] <ScottK> Yeah.
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> btw, I'll look at replacing kcm-gtk with kde-gtk-config in our seeds/filing for kcm-gtk removal when I get home today
[15:38] <yofel> JontheEchidna: drop xsettings-kde from the seed as well then, and we'll have to set the defaults for the gtk3 ini file in startkde and kubuntu-default-settings (I can do latter as I pretty much know what needs to be done)
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> ok
[15:45] <debfx> JontheEchidna: does it support different gtk themes for different sessions?
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[15:45] <debfx> that was the main reason we kept kcm-gtk
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> kcm-gtk is unmaintained, though
[15:46] <debfx> is it broken in any way?
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> not that I know of
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> but the new one supports gtk3 whereas kcm-gtk doesn't
[15:48] <debfx> it does support gtk3 through xsettings-kde. it might not support gtk3-only themes though.
[15:59] <debfx> the biggest problem with qt3 removal is the LSB requirement. there was some discussion on the ubuntu-devel list but I can't remember the outcome.
[16:05] <Riddell> debfx: mm yes
[16:05] <Riddell> however if LSB is out of date, probably best to ignore it
[16:06] <littlegirl> Hey there, the about.xml system document says, 
[16:06] <littlegirl> "Kubuntu includes more than 1,000 pieces of software and has access to more than 25,000 other applications to suit your needs." and I was wondering how I can check the numbers.
[16:07] <Riddell> they're pretty arbitrary numbers, what is a "piece of software"?
[16:07] <genii-around> Yes, very fuzzy
[16:07] <littlegirl> I think it means the default applications. Should I change the wording?
[16:07] <Riddell> you can count the applications with  find /usr/share/applications/ -name *desktop | wc -l
[16:08] <BluesKaj> no wonder linux is such a puzzle 
[16:08] <Riddell> and compare it to   dpkg -L app-install-data | wc -l
[16:08] <littlegirl> Thanks! I'll run those inside of Quantal. (:
[16:08] <littlegirl> What about the other number?
[16:09] <Riddell> littlegirl: which other numbers?
[16:09] <littlegirl> The more than 25,000 other applications to suit your needs. Is that one accurate?
[16:09] <Riddell> probably not
[16:09] <Riddell> dpkg -L app-install-data | wc -l   is all the GUI applications
[16:10] <littlegirl> Ah, okay, thanks. (:
[16:11] <littlegirl> I get the impression, though, that what that sentence is saying is that X number of applications (GUI and command line) come by default in Kubuntu, and X number are available if you want them in addition to those.
[16:11] <Riddell> yep
[16:11] <Riddell> but the figures are probably packages rather than applications, which isn't very user friendly
[16:11] <littlegirl> I can't imagine anyone ever installing all 25,000. (:
[16:12] <debfx> Riddell: that would be my opinion as well but I feel we should try to reach on consensus on ubuntu-devel before we break LSB compatibility
[16:13] <littlegirl> I grabbed the daily build of Quantal and put it in a virtual machine. Can I just run updates on that or do I need to download a fresh copy daily?
[16:13] <Riddell> it should update fine
[16:14] <Linkmaster> littlegirl: muon tells me that there is 36 odd thousand available packages to me =P with only 1600 installed xD
[16:17] <littlegirl> Linkmaster: Thanks - then I'll definitely change the 25,000 to 36,000. (:
[16:18] <littlegirl> The find command gives me 118 and the dpkg command gives me 4952, which are way different from 1,000. (:
[16:18] <Riddell> better not to talk about packages, they're pretty arbitrary for users, applications is better
[16:27] <littlegirl> How's this for an improvement: "Kubuntu includes more than 1,000 packages (applications or utilities) and has access to more than 39,000 other packages to suit your needs."
[16:28] <littlegirl> The way I see it, the sooner the user is introduced to the word "package", the better, since that's what Kubuntu uses. (:
[16:34] <littlegirl> I have a suggestion for the Launchpad work items. (:
[16:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: are you in Tallinn?
[16:39] <ScottK> debfx: The next version of the LSB will call for Qt4.  It should be out before the next LTS and those releases are the ones that ISVs target.
[16:50] <debfx> ScottK: Qt 4 is already a requirement in the current LSB.
[16:50] <ScottK> Both versions are?
[16:50] <debfx> yes
[16:50] <ScottK> OK.
[16:54] <soee> are you using maybe owncloud ?
[16:54] <jussi> shadeslayer: ahh well, such is life
[16:55] <shadeslayer> yeah, you should have told me atleast 3-4 days ago :P
[16:57] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, didnt know I had tickets until just before you found out i was going :D
[16:57] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:05] <bambee> evening
[20:10] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1005677] Re-emergence of "Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widg... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1005677 (by Doug McMahon)
[22:00]  * Riddell off to akademy
[22:12] <skreech_> :-)
[22:17] <ronnoc> Riddell: I really think that Ubuntu One service menu should be included by default in 12.10 :)
[22:17] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [990635] Sans serif cyrrilic font in kubuntu 12.04 and 12.10 is bad @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/990635 (by Kirill Bogdanenko)