[06:30] <christel> morning lovelies
[06:44]  * Monotoko stumbles in, and heads straight for the coffee
[06:55] <Monotoko> looks like a lot of spam has hit our mailing list
[07:02] <DJones> Morning all
[07:02] <DJones> Monotoko: Certainly has
[07:06] <diplo> Morning all
[07:08] <DJones> popey: Are you able to poke the mailing list to block and email address sending spam to the list, being sent by John P Taylor with no subject, 3 overnight
[07:11] <DJones> Or AlanBell Daviey ^^
[07:15] <Monotoko> was all excited as well, thought there was loads of new mail to read! XD
[07:21] <DJones> I didn't look at the links, just looked very spammy, wonder if its goat po rn or "enhancement tablets"
[07:24] <Monotoko> DJones, make billions of dollars from home or w/e it is
[07:24] <Monotoko> (using crap that we've just got randomly from free sources on the web!)
[07:27] <popey> DJones, already did it
[07:27] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:28] <Monotoko> morning ^_^
[07:28] <DJones> popey: Thanks
[07:28] <popey> np
[07:28] <popey> now all we need is for people to stop replying to them
[07:28] <diplo> :)
[07:28]  * Monotoko is not guilty of that, at all...
[07:28] <diplo> AlanBell: Invites seem fun :)
[07:29] <DJones> Heh, yeah that would be sort of obvious really
[07:29] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Accomplishments Team Meeting - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/06/28/ubuntu-accomplishments-team-meeting/
[07:30] <AlanBell> diplo: yeah, now people are inviting me to BBQs at their house in North California
[07:31] <DJones> AlanBell: If they provide transport & accomodation, take them up on the offer
[07:31] <diplo> lol :)
[07:32] <AlanBell> DJones: yeah, that is what most people said about my one
[07:33] <diplo> I've gone as maybe, would like to meet up with you guys... and if popey still wants it I can bring the Virgin kit ?
[07:34] <DJones> A bit too far for me, so I've declined
[07:34] <DJones> What will you do if the other 379 invited people say yes and turn up?
[07:35] <popey> diplo, the what?
[07:35] <AlanBell> have a big party I guess
[07:35] <DJones> Hide the chickens
[07:35] <diplo> Virgin HD + SD units we talked about some months ago that I totally forgot about till seeing them the other day
[07:35] <AlanBell> it would be a great party with Linus Torvalds, Will Wheaton and George Takei there
[07:36] <Monotoko> you invited Linus Torvalds?
[07:36] <DJones> Have you invited RMS
[07:36] <AlanBell> Monotoko: yeah
[07:36] <DJones> Maybe he could try the extreme ironing challenge
[07:37] <Monotoko> nice! It's a bit far for me sadly :(
[07:45] <christel> BIG PARTY \o/
[07:46] <diplo> Just watching the video of the Google Glass sky dive thing, got to say it's great
[07:50] <AlanBell> Sergey Brin isn't a great presenter, but he had pretty cool stuff to work with
[07:51] <diplo> No, got to tsay he sucks a bit :D
[07:52] <popey> Sergey had no script
[07:52] <popey> so in front of 6K people I would forgive him that
[07:54] <AlanBell> yeah, it was fine
[08:07] <DJones> Yummy http://wheresmysammich.com/picture/15347/kit-kat-chunky/ If a bit sickly trying to eat all of it
[08:07] <Monotoko> too early for chocolate :P
[08:08] <DJones> Its evening in some parts of the world
[08:08] <Monotoko> true... but this is #ubuntu-uk ;)
[08:09] <DJones> But we don't restrict the channel to uk people
[08:09] <DJones> We have been known to let foreigners in
[08:11] <davmor2> morning all
[08:14] <Monotoko> DJones, you twisted my words :(
[08:14] <Monotoko> morning davmor2 :)
[08:14] <DJones> Monotoko: Just a bit
[08:24] <bigcalm_laptop> Good morning peeps :)
[08:24] <mattt> morning morning
[08:26] <bigcalm_laptop> AlanBell: can your garden cope with 380+ people?
[08:30] <AlanBell> bigcalm_laptop: it would be a little bit friendly
[08:31] <bigcalm_laptop> Just a touch
[08:31] <diplo> heh
[08:57] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:58] <popey> moo
[09:00] <diplo> Python gurus, time.sleep the best option to use in a python script I've used, basically want to wait 2 secs before trying to unmount a usb stick as we keep getting some errors about not being able to unmount
[09:01] <bigcalm_laptop> Hey czajkowski, popey & diplo :)
[09:01] <ali1234> diplo: time.sleep, yes
[09:01] <ali1234> you are using udisks?
[09:02] <diplo> yeah
[09:02] <diplo> File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py", line 630, in call_blocking message, timeout)
[09:02] <diplo> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[09:02] <diplo> Keep getting this on one site, others work fine as does my own tests
[09:02] <ali1234> you have to ensure the disk is mounted before you can unmount it
[09:02] <diplo> Wondering whether it needs a little delay before unmounting
[09:03] <diplo> OK, I can test for that, but it's just finished copying files accross then checks what was used / space used etc then unmounts
[09:04] <ali1234> in my script it shows how to do it
[09:04] <diplo> The space part works fine, but unmount directly after fails
[09:04] <diplo> yeah just looking now thanks
[09:04] <ali1234> though i'm not sure why unmount would fail if it really is mounted, unless a file is in use or something
[09:04] <diplo> yeah
[09:05] <diplo> brb
[09:05] <bigcalm_laptop> How do I tell git to use a particular ssh key when cloning a repo?
[09:06] <ali1234> it should try all of them
[09:06] <BigRedS> 'all of them'?
[09:06] <BigRedS> where does it look?
[09:06] <ali1234> yes
[09:06] <ali1234> it looks in ~/.ssh?
[09:06] <BigRedS> just in ~/.ssh?
[09:06] <BigRedS> ah
[09:06] <ali1234> make sure you are using the right username
[09:07] <BigRedS> bigcalm_laptop: check GIT_SSH in man git?
[09:07] <BigRedS> looks like a convoluted way to do it
[09:07] <BigRedS> write a script that uses the right key, set GIT_SSH=/path/to/that/script
[09:09] <bigcalm_laptop> That is convoluted
[09:10] <BigRedS> or just link the key to something in ~/.ssh...
[09:10] <bigcalm_laptop> I have 2 ssh keys in .ssh
[09:11] <BigRedS> are either the one you want it to use?
[09:12] <bigcalm_laptop> Yes, the 2nd one
[09:12] <BigRedS> oh!
[09:12] <bigcalm_laptop> And I've just added the public key to gitlab
[09:12] <bigcalm_laptop> But when I try to clone, it's asking for the ssh password for the git user. Not what I want
[09:21] <BigRedS> I think that daft script is probably the best way...
[09:25] <bigcalm_laptop> But that shouldn't be the case. Things should "just work"
[09:27] <bigcalm_laptop> I changed the order of my ssh keys and it worked
[09:27] <bigcalm_laptop> I don't like that
[09:30] <Monotoko> ohhh hell... we are about to turn into China :(
[09:30] <Monotoko> there are proposals to have an opt-out of content filtering online
[09:35] <bigcalm_laptop> !ping
[09:38] <diplo> ali1234: Sorry about that, yeah I'm wondering whether the usb device is still having some last few millisecond read/writes, so why I was going to try the time.sleep
[09:38] <diplo> Seems I have taken my usb sticks/drives home though :(
[09:46] <popey> Nafallo, do datahop have somewhere on IRC where I can poke people?
[09:53] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:53] <bigcalm_laptop> popey: did you consider my question?
[09:58] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: you do realise that there are now other people in here? The noises you're making might get some odd looks
[10:00] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: and yet I still don't care :P
[10:01] <popey> bigcalm_laptop, didnt see it
[10:01] <popey> one mo
[10:02] <bigcalm_laptop> Ok
[10:06] <AlanBell> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/28/mark_shuttleworth_live_chat/ have a chat with sabdfl
[10:08] <davmor2> czajkowski: PROD!!!!
[10:09] <czajkowski> davmor2: morning
[10:13] <Monotoko> I feel proud... just helped a work colleuge who's been surrounded by Windows and ASP/Coldfusion debug a Linux server
[10:13] <Monotoko> he's been doing this a lot longer than I have :P
[10:27] <BigRedS> Haha, yeah
[10:27] <BigRedS> I remember when one of the senior guys here rang me up with a bind question
[10:27] <directhex> Monotoko, eek, coldfusion
[10:27] <BigRedS> I felt really proud until I asked him what on earth made him think I'd know the answer...
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: "Well you know unix"
[10:31] <Monotoko> my initial thoughts were right... he was like "something is taking up 95% of my disk drive"... I was tempted to reply with "rm -rf /var/log"
[10:32] <Monotoko> narrowed it down to the access.log for apache
[10:32] <diplo>  Did you use find ?
[10:33] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: we're all Linux here
[10:33] <dwatkins> I'm not - well, I have a linux server but I'm not using it right now.
[10:33] <Monotoko> nah, I used: du -a /var | sort -n -r | head -n 10
[10:33] <BigRedS> I always use du for that sort of thing
[10:33] <Monotoko> gave me the evil file instantly
[10:33] <dwatkins> du and sort for the win etc.
[10:34] <Monotoko> ... I'm on Win 7 right now, I feel like a minority in here :P
[10:35] <dwatkins> well it is an Ubuntu channel ;) I'm using Win7 on my work laptop.
[10:35] <diplo> I'm normally on Win7 in here as well :)
[10:35] <dwatkins> I'm actually accessing this channel via a BSD server ;)
[10:36] <diplo> Monotoko: Can also use du -sh --max-depth=1
[10:36] <diplo> hard core :)
[10:36] <Monotoko> Win7 is on my college-laptop... I was told that I can't take the OS off :(
[10:36] <diplo> I use my VPS with irssi now
[10:36] <dwatkins> du -s *
[10:37] <dwatkins> that's handy for just getting summaries, beware of hidden directories, of course.
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: so why did he come to you for bind help?
[10:39] <BigRedS> sometimes the problem is a large number of small files
[10:39] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: I think I'd made a disparaging comment about Virtualmin's Bind config thingy
[10:39] <Monotoko> virtualmin drives me up the wall >.>
[10:39] <BigRedS> I think the real reason was that everyone else was busy
[10:39] <Monotoko> the install script breaks :(
[10:40] <diplo> Can't say I've ever used any of the min packages
[10:40] <ali1234> lol, the new nokia maps has a "feature" whereby when you are trying to use the maps it puts all your geotagged images on the map
[10:40] <BigRedS> hahahaha
[10:40] <diplo> How are you finding the *upgrade* so far ali1234 ?
[10:40] <Monotoko> Nokia? It's been a while since I've heard of them... :)
[10:40] <ali1234> i guess that could actually be useful
[10:41] <BigRedS> I bet that sounded awesome in the meeting
[10:41] <ali1234> diplo: it's not as bad as i expected actually
[10:41]  * Monotoko still has his 3GS
[10:41] <ali1234> they have removed pretty much every feature of the phone that i ever used and replaced them with angry birds and microsoft communicator
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> Hmm Galaxy Nexus
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> Can't wait for jelly bean :)
[10:42] <ali1234> but apart from that it's pretty much as bad as the previous version
[10:42] <diplo> :)
[10:43] <Monotoko> I had a lot of fun disabling useless launch daemons to get as much speed as I could from my 3GS last night >.> iOS 5 really weighs it down
[10:43] <ali1234> this photos on map thing could have really hilarious unintended consequences
[10:44] <ali1234> like you give your mate a lift home. put in his post code. "hey why are there loads of pictures of my wife"
[10:44] <ali1234> etc
[10:45] <Monotoko> interesting... we refuse to extradite a convicted sex criminal to the US... but will happily send hackers and copyright breakers
[10:46] <directhex> Monotoko, priorities
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: more bribes are paid for those
[10:46] <directhex> Monotoko, no businesses benefit from sex criminals. well, prisons do, but gang members are cheaper
[10:47] <Monotoko> even worse... child sex offender, blocked because of the EU human rights... I mean WTF?
[10:47] <ali1234> nobody should be extradited to the US for any reason
[10:47] <Monotoko> this world is completely backwards
[10:47] <ali1234> i don't care what they've done
[10:48] <oimon> what's new in jelly bean?
[10:48] <ali1234> we should send their diplomats back though
[10:49] <Monotoko> do I detect any anti-US sentiment there ali? ;) :P
[10:49] <ali1234> only towards their government
[10:49] <directhex> extradition is reasonable for crimes committed abroad, to countries without torture or inhuman treatment
[10:49] <n1md4> ali1234: Re: Jelly Bean: More of Google spying on you !!! I'm hoping on Tizen.
[10:49] <directhex> the US fails the criteria, tbh
[10:49] <ali1234> directhex: which rules out extradition to the US
[10:50] <directhex> n1md4, tizen won't go anywhere.
[10:50] <directhex> n1md4, it's a boondoggle
[10:54] <oimon> but esriously, any decent features in JB?
[11:04] <diplo> guess not a lot oimon :)
[11:04] <diplo> not looked myself as I haven't got a phone that can run it
[11:05] <diplo> http://www.androidauthority.com/android-jelly-bean-4-1-new-feature-highlights-98035/
[11:59] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2_ wants to spoon me :(
[12:00] <diplo> TMI
[12:00] <davmor2_> bigcalm_laptop: No I want to throw a spoon at you to keep you awake there is a difference
[12:12] <BigRedS> oimon: I'd heard it was mostly performance improvements
[12:34] <oimon> BigRedS, did you hear about the linaro boys who inspected the code and got some massive improvements. hope it gets into CM
[12:36] <BigRedS> oimon: oh, no. Sounds good!
[12:36] <oimon> https://plus.google.com/u/0/112352920206354603958/posts/hw6G6FedE3d
[12:36] <oimon> "What do you get when the open source community looks at Android 4? Up to twice the speed!"
[12:37] <oimon> "
[12:37] <oimon> The speed of these demos is an improvement of 100% (60 fps versus 30fps) versus Googles stock Android 4.04"
[12:44] <diplo> Quite an improvement :)
[12:44] <diplo> Just watched the vid
[12:45] <diplo> Wonder what optimisations they could make if they didn't have closed GPU drivers etc
[12:45] <diplo> That was just for the panda board but still
[13:04] <oimon> does the youtube captions get added by humans or machine?
[13:04] <oimon> the linaro video, done by a machine surely
[13:04] <oimon> "quotes runs on an ethnic" - random quote
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> oimon: ETH NIC ?
[13:06] <gord> oimon: they can be contributed, but 99.9999% of them are automatically generated and are very very poor
[13:07] <oimon> it's like reading william s burroughs
[13:09] <oimon> "asically, parts of the Linaro code have been submitted to the CM9 gerrit and are currently awaiting approval. Once commited, these tweaks will be added to the main CM9 code, giving all supported devices a drastic increase in performance."
[13:09] <gord> its so humid :(
[13:09] <oimon> and warm and nice and sunny ;D
[13:09] <oimon> although very little sleep was had
[13:09] <gord> sunny is nice, humid is not
[13:10] <gord> its actually not sunny here either, overcast
[13:16] <oimon> on hols next week so need moar sun
[13:18] <oimon> check out the tablet in this video from 1994 http://www.androidauthority.com/apple-samsung-patent-war-69575/
[13:20] <BigRedS> anyone know vsftpd well enough to know if userlist_enable really does what it looks like it should do?
[13:21] <oimon> "When a developer publishes an app update, Google Play now only delivers the changes bits of the application rather then the entire APK.  This makes app updates much lighter and easier on your network data. On average, a smart app update is about 1/3 the size of the full APK update." - looks like the most useful update to 4.1 for me
[13:23] <BigRedS> Ah, so nothing too major, then?
[13:23] <BigRedS> or are you just on a really restricted data tarrif?
[13:23] <oimon> no, but nothing else really affects me
[13:23] <BigRedS> Ah, yeah, the former then :)
[13:24] <oimon> yep, although performance is welcome as i'm running a htc desire, now 2yrs old
[13:26] <gord> i'm running a two year old nexus one, can't say i really need more performance
[13:26] <gord> all i really use my phone for is email, phone and light web stuff, mostly checking news feeds
[13:26] <BigRedS> yeah, I've largely got myself over the need to do loads of stuff on it
[13:27] <BigRedS> I think I don't even have an ssh client on it any more
[13:27] <gord> when all you do is what i do with a phone, i find it hard to justify getting a new one. yay its pretty much exactly the same..
[13:27] <oimon> i'm very close to getting the giffgaff £5 per month deal
[13:28] <BigRedS> Ah, I break mine about twice as frequently as my contracts expire :(
[13:28] <oimon> due to my low minutes
[13:29] <diplo> oimon: You dont get the data with that package though do you
[13:29] <diplo> Been a while since I looked at it mind
[13:29] <oimon> diplo, pure data nothing else
[13:30] <diplo> Don't do texts ?
[13:30] <oimon> no, google message instead
[13:30] <oimon> and irc :D
[13:31] <diplo> I would do that but I don't think my mum/dad could cope
[13:31] <diplo> They have just understood texting
[13:32] <diplo> Rushing them may be an issue
[13:32] <diplo> :p
[13:36] <gord> really wish the android text messenger could send to email addresses, then i could sneakily replace my phone number with an email in friends and families contacts
[13:38] <BigRedS> haha
[13:39] <BigRedS> I'm still bemused that it's non-trivial to send text messages from my PC
[13:39] <BigRedS> About eight years ago I decided that it should be really easy and we'd be able to do it soon
[13:39] <bigcalm_laptop> BigRedS: do you have an android phone?
[13:39] <BigRedS> yeah
[13:39] <brobostigon> there is a prog to do such, i htink it is called mightytext or similer.
[13:40] <bigcalm_laptop> BigRedS: install AirDroid :)
[13:40] <BigRedS> oh wow
[13:40] <BigRedS> _everything_ has a web UI these days
[13:40] <bigcalm_laptop> :D
[13:40] <bigcalm_laptop> I love AirDroid!
[13:42] <bigcalm_laptop> I've even got my Dad to install it :D
[13:45] <oimon> i like that GG actually tell me how many minutes i've used
[13:45] <oimon> busy month this month :S 26 mins
[13:47] <bubu> anyone know how I can make a txt file which has numbers going sequentially up? so like a text file that starts at a0001 and goes through to a2000 ...?: )
[13:49] <BigRedS> is that all you're after, just numbers
[13:49] <oimon> for i in $(seq 1 200); do echo a$i ; done
[13:50] <bubu> yeah, needs to be preceeded but a letter though 'a' for example
[13:50] <oimon> preceded by leading zeros too?
[13:50] <DJones> bubu: Not the most elegant, but a spreadsheet, a0001 cell a1, a0002 cell a2, and then just extend the range and save as a text file
[13:50] <BigRedS> for i in {0001..2000}; do echo a$i; done > file
[13:50] <bubu> DJones, I know but even though ends up the same, id prefer a more elegant way of doing it! ;)
[13:51] <bubu> thx BigRedS and oimon :)))
[13:51] <oimon> BigRedS, has your answer
[13:51] <oimon> how do you guys manage your passwords?
[13:51] <oimon> i seem to have 2 keepassX files and then there's chromium and firefox passwords i haven't put in keepass
[13:52] <oimon> its a mess
[13:52] <gord> heey spotify finally got a new adver... oh god its that simples meercat
[13:53] <bubu> BigRedS, your a star :)
[13:53] <BigRedS> bubu: haha, no worries. I was just amazed that I got the syntax right first time!
[13:53] <bubu> hah, you did!
[13:54] <oimon> installing groovy (2.0.0~beta2+isreally1.8.6-0ubuntu1)
[13:54] <oimon> ugh ..ugly version name
[13:54] <BigRedS> hahaha
[13:54] <BigRedS> grub2 needs that sort of version string
[13:54] <bubu> funny story - just got a webcam (ipcam) so my gf can watch her bunnies when we are away. the manufacturer has its own in built DNS in there which you can turn off. a0001.cipcam.com for example
[13:55] <bubu> written a script to do a reverse lookup on all those dns records, pass that to nmap to scan
[13:55] <bubu> there thousands open with no auth at all!
[13:55] <BigRedS> hahaa
[13:55] <bubu> im sure this has been covered before but still ridiculous!
[13:56] <oimon> remember that there's images you cannot unsee
[13:56] <bubu> heh, im counting on it oimon ;o)
[13:56] <diplo> oimon: KeepassX is all I use now
[13:56] <oimon> and most will be behind nat
[13:56] <oimon> diplo, how do you import the password?
[13:56] <diplo> I'm just very good now as soon as I sign up to a site I add it straight away
[13:56] <bubu> most have port forwarding\
[13:56] <bubu> so can see externally
[13:57] <bubu> from the ones ive tested
[13:57] <oimon> post any good ones here :P
[13:57] <diplo> Import the password from a current site ?
[13:57] <bubu> hehe
[13:57] <bubu> will do!
[13:57] <oimon> clean ones of course
[13:57] <oimon> :D
[13:57] <AlanBell> bubu: what camera?
[13:57] <diplo> I've manually input all of mine id rhats what you mean
[13:57] <oimon> trying this: http://lifehacker.com/248702/how-to-import-saved-firefox-passwords-into-keepass
[13:58] <diplo> Oh right, I just dod it manually :)
[13:58] <diplo> Didn;t take that long tbh
[13:58] <bubu> muahahaha
[13:59] <diplo> Also updated a lot of the sites with better passwords as I went through oimon
[13:59] <bubu> AlanBell, eBay jobbie
[13:59] <bubu> cipcam.com is the domain
[14:02] <bubu> dumping all the brute forced reverse lookups to a sql lite 3 db now
[14:02] <oimon> thinks bubu will be disappointed
[14:02] <diplo> heh me 2
[14:02] <bubu> probably oimon
[14:02] <diplo> Can do the same with Axis Cameras
[14:02] <bubu> woth a punt though
[14:02] <bubu> yeah
[14:02] <bubu> ive seen the same being 'exploited' before
[14:02] <diplo> Did it a few years ago when I set up a network of them for work
[14:03] <diplo> As oimon said, their are some that can't be unseen
[14:03] <diplo> :)
[14:03] <AlanBell> I was thinking of getting a new webcam, the colour on my logitec is unstable
[14:05] <oimon> i have some webcams but never used them
[14:05] <diplo> heh I have them in PC's at home/work and laptop
[14:05] <oimon> i should use them with my rasbpi killer
[14:05] <diplo> And I've used them 3/4 times in the same amount of years
[14:06] <bubu> rasbpi killer?
[14:06] <oimon> linksys slug
[14:07] <oimon> slugs eat my raspberries
[14:18] <oimon> haven't found a secure way to get my passwords out of chromium yet :-\
[14:18] <gord> secure?
[14:18] <gord> i was under the impression than putting passwords into a webbrowser was inherently insecure
[14:19] <oimon> i mean a way to export them from chromium without running a random windows app
[14:22] <ali1234> make a website that spoofs the websites that you want the passwords for, and then log what passwords chrome sends to it
[14:23] <popey> AlanBell, I have a Logitech pro 9000 which seems pretty good
[14:24] <ali1234> webcam? get a logitech C910
[14:24] <BigRedS> Any PHPites able to shed light on this? http://paste.debian.net/176825/
[14:25] <gord> popey: seriously? thats the exact webcam i have. we might as well just share amazon/ebuyer accounts, we buy all the same stuff anyway
[14:25] <popey> haha
[14:25] <popey> the only flaw with it is it has started to uh.. droop
[14:26] <gord> have you tried out the webcam software it has for windows? it will put a pigs nose on your face, it is excellent.
[14:28] <popey> not for some years
[14:31] <diplo> Pro 9000 is what we use for meetings between us and Nottingham
[14:31] <diplo> Only thing that used to let us down was the bandwith
[14:31] <diplo> :)
[14:34] <diplo> Anyone let me know command in irssi to display list of users in a channel
[14:34] <diplo> My battery just died and going through webpages is proving a bit slower without the mouse :D
[14:36] <brobostigon>  /names
[14:36] <diplo> ta
[14:36] <diplo> :)
[14:36] <brobostigon> :)
[14:37] <diplo> I was trying to guess, but names didn't come to me :)
[14:37] <brobostigon> :)
[14:37] <diplo> and it seems google foo sucks
[14:37] <brobostigon> diplo: i might have suggested looking on the irssi site.
[14:38] <diplo> I did, but was taking forever to go through links etc
[14:38] <brobostigon> ok.
[14:40] <diplo> Well I've got a red light back on mouse now, see if that lasts till 5 :)
[14:45] <AlanBell> popey: mine is Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Pro 5000
[14:53] <AlanBell> so does the logitec C910 work well in google hangouts and skype?
[14:54] <gord> my logitech 9000  works fine in hangouts and skype
[14:57] <popey> i have had no issue with my 9000
[14:57] <AlanBell> C910 is a bit of a different beast though
[15:02] <czajkowski> http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/6793/50483  has just started if you fancy listening in to Mark baker
[15:03] <ali1234> AlanBell: yes it works fine
[15:27] <MooDoo> :)
[15:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka
[15:54] <bigcalm_laptop> Yay home time!
[15:58] <christel> czajkowski: i have put a picture of david's first rugby-related injury on facebook!
[15:58] <christel> (since i know you love eyeing up small people)
[16:04] <Songtao> hi guys,
[16:05] <Songtao> what is the easyest way to move existing ubuntu system to a brand new drive ?
[16:06] <MartijnVdS> Songtao: using an Ubuntu CD or USB stick
[16:06] <nperry> dd :D
[16:06] <Songtao> how to using ubuntu CD ?
[16:07] <Songtao> hard drive diffrent size
[16:09] <Songtao> dd /  ?
[16:09] <Songtao> will work ? dd /
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> Songtao: you just install it?
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> oh move an existing system
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> clonezilla.
[16:12] <Songtao> existing harddrive will fail soon, so need replace it with a brand new one
[16:12] <Songtao> clonezilla will do ? thanks, I will google it now
[16:12] <czajkowski> christel: awww cute
[16:12] <MartijnVdS> Songtao: popey was happy with it, I think
[16:13] <popey> yeah, clonezilla is good for taking a snapshot
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> popey: moving it to a new HD/PC too, right?
[16:14] <Songtao> can you use that snapshot on different size drive ?
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> Songtao: You can always resize the partition/file system later if it can't resize the partition
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> but I think it should work
[16:15] <Songtao> thanks a lot, I will try
[16:16] <popey> yeah
[16:16] <popey> you cant restore onto a smaller disk though
[16:17] <AlanBell> can you shrink the partition first, then snapshot then restore then expand again?
[16:21] <popey> i wouldn't on a failing disk
[16:25] <Songtao> no worries, upgrading, new drive always bigger than old one.
[16:26] <Songtao> so I can not just tar the existing system, and then untar it on the new drive root.
[16:28] <dwatkins> clonezilla might be useful for copying the root drive, Songtao
[16:28] <dwatkins> it will create an image file of the hard drive.
[16:28] <Songtao> thanks I will try that
[16:29] <dwatkins> you'll need to boot the clonezilla ISO
[16:32] <popey> yeah, stick the iso on a usb stick..
[16:32] <dwatkins> it might even manage resizing, although that's easy enough with resize2fs etc.
[17:06] <dogmatic69> Does anyone know what the little LED's on a cat5 connection mean?
[17:06] <dogmatic69> my internet keeps dropping and when it does it seems like the yellow one is flashing and green is solid
[17:09] <BigRedS> I want a single-page of wiki that requires a captcha for people to edit the page. Any recomendations?
[17:10] <popey> i saw a nice one on the datahop contact us page
[17:10] <popey> "click on the circle"
[17:11] <BigRedS> Ah yeah
[17:11] <BigRedS> that's quite good
[17:11] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: http://areyouahuman.com/
[17:11] <BigRedS> ah, no, I'm after the wiki bit that needs a captcha rather than just a captcha
[17:11] <dogmatic69> ah, not to sure what you mean
[17:12] <BigRedS> I want a single page that acts like a wiki
[17:12] <BigRedS> such that anyone can edit it, but I don't need a whole wiki with pages and searching and the like
[17:12] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[17:12] <BigRedS> but I also don't wnat people to need to log in, just pass a captcha
[17:12] <dogmatic69> php?
[17:12] <BigRedS> and I'm not sure I can be bothered to take a single-page wiki and add a captcha
[17:13] <BigRedS> yeah, not really bothered what it's written in if it saves me writing it :)
[17:13] <dogmatic69> ok, so looking for complete solution then
[17:13] <BigRedS> yeah
[17:13] <BigRedS> ideally
[17:14] <BigRedS> else I'll bodge a horrific nearly-captcha onto an existing single-page one
[17:14] <BigRedS> but I've been meaning to do that for weeks now
[17:15] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: how about "what is 10 + 32 [   ]"
[17:15] <dogmatic69> if($_POST['foo'] != 42) {throw new ...}
[17:22] <jacobw> i can't believe it's not friday
[17:27] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: yeah, that sort of thing
[17:28] <BigRedS> Anyone know of a single-page wiki written in Perl to reccomend? :)
[17:28] <bubu> anyone here running opernwrt with pptp?
[17:34] <jacobw> Why Perl?
[17:36]  * bigcalm returns!
[17:37] <jacobw> I hate Perl
[17:37] <jacobw> Python for the win
[17:38] <bigcalm> Poor Perl doesn't get much love these days
[17:39] <jacobw> Camels are smelly
[17:39] <BigRedS> jacobw: 'cause I know it
[17:39] <BigRedS> and I've written far too much PHP recently for me to want any more
[17:39] <BigRedS> I think I've settled on foswiki
[17:39] <BigRedS> I've certainly downloaded it
[17:42] <n1md4> I hate ubuntu :(  it always annoys me in little ways like nothing else can ....
[17:43] <dogmatic69> n1md4: nothing stopping you from using windows
[17:43] <n1md4> no
[17:43] <n1md4> :)
[17:43] <n1md4> I like Debian though ...
[17:44] <BigRedS> n1md4's not someone to get into constructive discussions about Linux with :)
[17:44] <bigcalm> n1md4: if you hate Ubuntu, then you are in the wrong channel :)
[17:44] <n1md4> Because I'm in the same office as kirrus and bigreds ;)
[17:44] <bigcalm> Trolls will not be fed in here :)
[17:45] <n1md4> :O
[17:45] <BigRedS> I can unplug his network if you like?
[17:45] <n1md4> :@ !!!!!
[17:45]  * n1md4 has had a long day
[17:46] <jacobw> all days are of equal length
[17:46] <bigcalm> And some are more equal than others
[17:47] <BigRedS> twice as long in unicode
[17:47]  * bigcalm tootles off to Dominos :D
[17:47] <jacobw> lol
[17:50] <Azelphur> 39c, new record for my room \o/
[17:50]  * Azelphur wonders how hot it's actually safe to exist in
[17:52] <jacobw> people exist in up to 60c
[17:52] <Azelphur> fun
[17:53] <jacobw> i've heard it's not actually possible to tell the difference between 50 and 60
[17:55] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:55] <jacobw> wikipedia tells me that 57.8c is hottest temperature recorded on earth
[17:56] <jacobw> in aziziya, libya
[17:56] <Azelphur> :D
[17:57] <jacobw> the hotttest in the UK a chilly 38.5c
[18:30] <jacobw> what does paste.ubuntu.com run?
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> Software!
[18:32]  * jacobw wraps MartijnVdS in cling film and throws in a river
[18:32]  * MartijnVdS gives jacobw the coc to read
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> and a pm :P
[18:34] <jacobw> i think that might be against the CoC :)
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: it's a friendly pm, those are allowed :)
[18:34] <jacobw> haha
[18:35] <jacobw> i want a pastebin on my network, i'm failing to find a deployable implementation
[18:36] <dobby156> hi
[18:36] <dobby156> is this a casual IRC or strictly on topic? if not does anyone have any dominoes pizza 2 for one vouchers codes?
[18:36] <jacobw> i could probably write one given a weekend in a quiet room
[18:36] <jacobw> it's casual chat about anything techies are interested in
[18:37] <dobby156> jacobw: well as a techie I definitely like pizza
[18:37] <dobby156> so you don't have one?
[18:37] <jacobw> i have a frozen pizza in my freezer :)
[18:38] <dobby156> what toppings?
[18:41] <jacobw> spinach
[18:42] <dobby156> that sounds gross
[18:42] <jacobw> it's the football soon
[18:43] <jacobw> which isn't a popular topic on this channel and only popular with me because i'm living outside of the UK right now
[18:50] <dobby156> that and football is boring
[18:51] <bigcalm> Back once again
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: renegade master?
[18:52] <bigcalm> D4 damager
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: with the ill behaviour
[18:56] <bigcalm> Power to the people
[18:57] <bigcalm> And that's it
[19:22] <directhex> dobby156: those codes are usually per-store
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> .......: spotify:album:7Lczo6oXOkBjudsdYJKWss
[20:10] <dobby156> directhex: oh
[20:10] <dobby156> :(
[20:13] <lmger> i ran into a nasty lightdm bug and installed gdm. i run 12.04 without unity. i have xfce and MATE installed. How can i hide users from GDM on 12.04???
[20:46] <samuel> helloooo
[20:50]  * bigcalm awakens
[20:50] <Azelphur> EVERYBODY HIDE.
[20:50]  * Azelphur dives behind a wall
[20:51] <samuel> aha, so people DO talk here!
[20:51] <Azelphur> sometimes
[20:51] <Azelphur> but only when nobody is looking.
[20:52] <bigcalm> I talk during office hours or when I am awakened by notification :)
[20:53] <diplo> evening all
how which irc client are you using</jealous> xchat has not delivered me notifications since i installed 12.04 and started using unity :(
[20:54] <Azelphur> I use pidgin but I go by sound notifications rather than visual
[20:55] <samuel> i never quite "got" using pidgin for irc, xchat reminds me of the old days with mirc and the like
[20:55] <samuel> i just wish it had a notification area icon like it does in gnome shell
[20:57] <samuel> i use gnome shell on linux mint (dont hate me!) but at home i have stuck with good ole unity
[20:57] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:58] <Azelphur> samuel: pidgin is not the best of IRC clients, I use a bouncer so I can do IRC multiple presence, whenever I need to do power user stuff I just fire up pidgin.
[20:58] <Azelphur> fire up xchat*
[20:59] <brobostigon> ohdear, looks like they are going to ditch mock the week, for the tennis, :(
[21:00] <samuel> better write in to points of view then
[21:01] <samuel> you never know, you might be the first to moan about it and get your letter read out ;)
[21:01] <brobostigon> i think, mock the week, will make more people happier, and laugh, than the tennis will.
[21:01] <Azelphur> xD
[21:01] <brobostigon> yep, they just announced, mock the week is ditched, :(
[21:02]  * brobostigon shakes fist.
[21:02] <bigcalm> It's had a good run
[21:02] <bigcalm> And shall live forever on Dave
[21:03] <brobostigon> the tennis yes, it should be ditched.
[21:03] <brobostigon> bigcalm: it is a new series of mock the week, not old.
[21:03] <bigcalm> Oh, sorry. Phew :D
[21:03] <bigcalm> brobostigon: my fault for not reading
[21:04] <brobostigon> bigcalm: no worries.
[21:05] <ali1234> never mind, total recall is on itv2
[21:05] <ali1234> it just started 5 minutes ago
[21:05] <Azelphur> ali1234: ever since I reassembled my G19 it hasn't boot looped, :D
[21:06] <brobostigon> good idea ali1234
[21:06] <Azelphur> yay for accidentally fixing things
[21:06] <samuel> watch total recall instead
[21:06] <ali1234> Azelphur: you mean after you switched back to the proper power supply
[21:07] <Azelphur> ali1234: no, because the whole point of the new power supply was to stop the boot looping
[21:07] <Azelphur> it was boot looping before on stock, now it's not
[21:07] <Azelphur> I think I had 2 issues, a loose connection inside the G19, and then adding the new power supply just made things worse with it's loose connection
[21:08] <samuel> get your a$$ back to mars!
[21:08] <ali1234> 5 minutes in arnold is already making silly noises
[21:08] <ali1234> i love this movie
[21:08] <Azelphur> xD
[21:08] <samuel> +1
[21:08] <samuel> lol
[21:09] <samuel> so what is everyone running? as in right now what you are typing here from?
[21:09] <Azelphur> XUbuntu 12.04
[21:09] <AlanBell> quantal
[21:09] <samuel> hardware and sw
[21:09] <brobostigon> debian unstable.
[21:10] <brobostigon> eeepc
[21:10] <Azelphur> samuel: bit of an old photo, but https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/2010-03-31%2022.36.43.jpg
[21:10] <AlanBell> samsung R530 with core i3 chip, 8GB ram and a 240GB SSD
[21:10] <samuel> how is quantal so far? i have a spare netbook that i like to use for testing
[21:10] <AlanBell> quantal is a lot like precise
[21:10] <Azelphur> samuel: i7 950 oc'd with water 12GB DDR3 1600 ram, ssd + 4 hdds, gtx 570 xD
[21:10] <samuel> azelphur, nice battle station!
[21:11] <Azelphur> ty xD
[21:11] <christel> who was it that thought me plumbing in here that time
[21:11] <Azelphur> thought you plumbing?
[21:11] <AlanBell> christel: gordonjcp mostly I think
[21:11] <samuel> well i'm typing this from a HP DM1 with AMD E450 and 4gb ram
[21:11] <AlanBell> have you broken something christel?
[21:12] <samuel> seriously considering swapping my hdd for an ssd, recommended?
[21:12] <AlanBell> samuel: do it! dabs have a good offer today
[21:12] <christel> i have a Leaking Tap
[21:12] <christel> :D
[21:12] <christel> or rather, i have a POURINg tap
[21:12] <christel> it suddenly wont turn off!
[21:13] <AlanBell> oh dear. Does it have an isolation valve under it?
[21:13] <christel> no idea, how do i tell?
[21:13] <samuel> big performance boost? does an ssd run any cooler?
[21:13] <christel> (thank jebus i am not on a meter, i'd end up with a water bill to rival that guys vodafone bill)
[21:13] <ali1234> isolation valve? la-dee-da
[21:13] <samuel> ubuntu only turns my laptops fan on full blast when it gets over 65c :/
[21:13] <AlanBell> follow the pipes down and see if there is something that might be a valve, might be a screwdriver to turn it
[21:14] <AlanBell> christel: might look like http://www.screwfix.com/p/15mm-full-bore-isolating-valve/46860?cm_mmc=GoogleBase-_-Datafeed-_-Heating%20and%20Plumbing-_-15mm%20Full%20Bore%20Isolating%20Valve
[21:15] <christel> will it be inside my tap?!
[21:15] <ali1234> no
[21:15] <AlanBell> no, it will be in the cupboard below the tap
[21:15] <ali1234> it's like another tap further down the pipe
[21:16] <ali1234> usually known as a stop-tap by normal people
[21:16] <samuel> AllanBell, did you have any trouble with the function keys on your laptop? or the backlight?
[21:16] <christel> oh, then n
[21:16] <christel> o
[21:16] <christel> it is a bathroom tap
[21:16] <AlanBell> bath or sink?
[21:16] <ali1234> there definitely will be one somewhere
[21:16] <christel> sink
[21:17] <christel> so under the sink there are PIPES, there might be a thingiewotsit valve inside the sink (!?) but that would involve breaking it to check
[21:17] <christel> and then i'd get water everywhere!
[21:17] <AlanBell> yeah, don't do that!
[21:18] <christel> also, my new house confuses me
[21:18] <christel> i appear to have 3 stop cocks
[21:18] <christel> is this normal?
[21:18]  * AlanBell resists typing something suggestive
[21:18] <AlanBell> dunno, how new is the house?
[21:19] <christel> not new new but not super old
[21:19] <christel> 50s
[21:19] <AlanBell> same as mine, old enough if the plumbing is original (mine isn't)
[21:19] <christel> with a more recent extension, in which two of the stopcocks live
[21:20] <AlanBell> oh, right that explains why they are there then, to isolate that area
[21:20] <AlanBell> are the taps on flexible connectors like this? http://www.screwfix.com/p/flexible-tap-connector-with-valve-15mm-x-3-4/67794?cm_mmc=GoogleBase-_-Datafeed-_-Heating%20and%20Plumbing-_-Flexible%20Tap%20Connector%20With%20Valve%2015mm%20x%203%2F4%22
[21:20] <christel> there is also one in the downstairs loo, which i think was created after the kitchen was moved to the extension
[21:20] <christel> (and where the leaking tap is)
[21:20] <AlanBell> the isolation valve might be at the bottom of the flexible part if you are lucky
[21:21] <christel> no :(
[21:21] <christel> they are just taps.. coming out of the sink, out of which water comes, constantly
[21:21] <christel> (i am not very useful am i?) :D
[21:22] <AlanBell> got a photo of the underneith bit?
[21:22] <christel> but i cant see the underneath bit
[21:22] <christel> surely that is inside the sink?
[21:22] <samuel_> whoops, did i miss much?
[21:22]  * christel goes investigate
[21:23] <samuel_> so you say that dabs have special offers on ssds, better than ebuyer you reckon?
[21:24] <AlanBell> http://www.dabs.com/products/kingston-128gb-ssdnow-v200-sata-6gb-s-2-5--solid-state-drive-7V53.html
[21:24] <christel> ok, AlanBell you win -- i have a underside thing! (i am not sure where i thought the taps came from but i was convinced that the only thing under the sink was the pipes!) -- it appears to be a thick fairly solid threaded "thing" with a plastic nut at the top and a metal nut where thethreaded bit joins the smooth pipe thingie
[21:24] <AlanBell> I always knew you had an underside thing
[21:25] <christel> :P
[21:25] <brobostigon> lol
[21:25] <bigcalm> \o/
[21:25] <christel> oh photo.. shall i go take a photo?
[21:26] <bigcalm> christel: do you take requests?
[21:26] <AlanBell> yeah photo would be great
[21:26] <christel> bigcalm: :P
[21:26] <bigcalm> christel: ;D
[21:30] <Azelphur> yay, things are finally cooling down
[21:30] <Azelphur> "cool" = 30c in this room xD
[21:31] <directhex> the ssdnow v200 is a couple of generations old, which is why it's cheap
[21:34] <AlanBell> yeah, would still perk up an unexciting laptop
[21:35] <christel> http://imgur.com/a/fnthS
[21:35] <christel> i even include one of the LEAK!
[21:36] <bigcalm> christel: is the white pipe copper or plastic?
[21:36] <diplo> christel: That will be the seal inside the tap if the tap doesnt turn off
[21:37] <christel> bigcalm: copper it is just painted
[21:37] <bigcalm> christel: the collar possibly just wants tightening
[21:37] <christel> diplo: do you now want a picture of INSIDE my tap!?
[21:37] <christel> :(
[21:37] <christel> (how do i thingie the seal or tighten the collar?)
[21:38] <diplo> Need to turn water off to taps
[21:38] <diplo> normally a screw on top or as bigcalm says a collar
[21:38] <diplo> undo that and a rubber seal inside will more than likely be flatand degraded
[21:39] <dogmatic69> If I have my dns set as x.x.x.x should traceroute show x.x.x.x as the first entry?
[21:39] <dogmatic69> it does not show at all.
[21:39] <directhex> dogmatic69: no
[21:39] <dogmatic69> :/
[21:39] <christel> ok -- so if i turn it off on the stopcock and it stops er, leaking then i what, remove the actually turny bit that i use to turn water on/off and look for a thingiewotsit inside it?
[21:39] <diplo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR6vnfNLr-8  christel
[21:39] <AlanBell> yeah, off at the stopcock as there is no isolation valve
[21:39] <directhex> dogmatic69: it's not part of the actual route. dns resolution happens first, then the route is traced after
[21:39] <AlanBell> that looks like original aged plumbing
[21:39] <diplo> Gives you the general idea
[21:39] <brunogirin> diplo: that's the one I was going to post :-)
[21:40] <diplo> heh
[21:40] <dogmatic69> directhex: is there a way to check the dns is correcly used?
[21:40] <directhex> dogmatic69: you could try nslookup www.google.com :p
[21:41] <christel> <3
[21:41] <diplo> It's honestly really easy to do
[21:41] <dogmatic69> directhex: thanks
[21:41] <dogmatic69> directhex: that only shows the first dns server used
[21:42] <diplo> Just pop to local B&Q/Wickes and the rubber washers come in an assorted pack normally to fit all tap sizes
[21:42] <directhex> dogmatic69: ... right? that's how DNS works. you make the request to the first server. you'll only go to the backup if the primary says it can't fulfil the request
[21:42] <directhex> dogmatic69: and the dns server's job is to obtain any missing results & cache them
[21:43] <brunogirin> dogmatic69: you can do dnslookup <site> <server> to force a particular server to answer
[21:43] <dogmatic69> directhex: ye, but I have a local dns that forwards most addresses
[21:43] <christel> will it be messy?
[21:43] <christel> (wet)
[21:43] <AlanBell> not if you turn off the water
[21:43] <directhex> dogmatic69: okay, so you only ever get results from the local dns. those forwards are reported by the local. so your client gets results from the local
[21:43] <diplo> Best thing is turn tap on and then turn stop cock off, just to maek sure all water has gone
[21:44] <diplo> Should be fine then :)
[21:44] <dogmatic69> directhex: I need to establish that the router/bt dns is not used at all
[21:44] <christel> am i likely to have a cold water tank?
[21:44] <dogmatic69> pc -> local dns -> 8.8.8.8 -> website is what I want
[21:44] <AlanBell> christel: yes
[21:45] <bigcalm> christel: yes
[21:45] <directhex> dogmatic69: so why aren't you looking at the local dns's logs?
[21:45] <dogmatic69> there are none :/
[21:45] <directhex> dogmatic69: is the router in /etc/resolv.conf?
[21:45] <christel> oh
[21:45] <dogmatic69> nslookup google.com <routerip> works
[21:45] <christel> will i have to empty that before the water stops/how long will that tak
[21:45] <christel> e
[21:46] <directhex> i'm going to bed.
[21:47] <dogmatic69> directhex: the dns server has 'supersede domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4;' in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and the pc has 'supersede domain-name-servers 192.168.1.2;' which is the dns server
[21:47] <dogmatic69> router is 192.168.1.254 btw
[21:47] <bigcalm> christel: it's normal for taps down stairs to come straight off of the mains water supply. Taps upstairs generally are off the water tanks. So turn off the water supply (wherever it is), turn on the taps upstairs and let them run dry
[21:47] <directhex> and if you dig www.google.com who is resolving?
[21:47] <christel> ooh
[21:48] <bigcalm> I'd like somebody to back me up on that statement please :)
[21:48] <AlanBell> there might be a valve somewhere christel that means you don't have to drain it
[21:48] <christel> so if i then go upstaris and just turn on both the baths and both the sinks it might run dry quickish?
[21:48] <christel> ooh
[21:48] <dogmatic69> directhex: 192.168.1.2 so the dns
[21:48] <AlanBell> bigcalm: certainly kitchen tap is always from the rising main
[21:48] <AlanBell> christel: and flush the toilets
[21:48] <dogmatic69> directhex: and from the dns, it is 8.8.8.8 so I guess it is correct
[21:48] <AlanBell> if you can't find a valve that stops it quicker
[21:48] <diplo> I always turn mains off christel and then as others suggested turn all the taps on to make sure :)
[21:48] <bigcalm> In this house the bathroom cold tap is off the mains. Same in the last house I had as well
[21:48] <diplo> Better safe than sorry
[21:49] <christel> should i turn off all the stopcocks?
[21:49] <AlanBell> christel: maybe take this opportunity to find out what each one does
[21:49] <christel> hehe
[21:49] <bigcalm> :)
[21:49] <AlanBell> run all the taps, turn off stopcocks see what happens
[21:50]  * bigcalm nods
[21:50] <AlanBell> and make notes
[21:50]  * diplo agrees with AlanBell 
[21:50] <AlanBell> toilets are taps too remember
[21:50] <christel> oooh this is like a game :D
[21:52] <christel> do i need any special tools?!
[21:52] <AlanBell> no
[21:52] <Myrtti> poor christel
[21:52] <bigcalm> For for testing things
[21:52] <bigcalm> +not
[21:53] <diplo> When undoing the tap have a rag around what ever you use to loosen it off if you don't want it scratched
[21:59] <samuel_> thanks for the link AlanBell,  i will have to check the read/write speeds of that though
[21:59] <samuel_> i will bookmark it, then if natwest ever give me my wages i might be able to buy one :P
[21:59] <AlanBell> samuel_: yeah, as directhex noted it isn't a high end SSD, it just seemed like a good budget price one
[22:00] <AlanBell> the speeds on some SSDs require sata3 to get them
[22:00] <brunogirin> samuel_: having bought a basic SSD for an old laptop a few years ago, I can heartily recommend it: it gave it a second lease of life!
[22:00] <samuel_> i have seen ocz ones with almost identical read/write speeds that cost about the same though
[22:01] <samuel_> but i wonder if it will make any difference anyway
[22:01] <AlanBell> they are falling in price all the time
[22:02] <samuel_> yeah, i'm not bothered about it wearing out or not having enough space, by the time those are issues i will be able to economically replace it, or i wont be using the same laptop anymore
[22:02] <popey> \o/ SSD
[22:02] <samuel_> i was considering getting an ssd for my netbook before i took it on holiday with me
[22:03] <samuel_> ants started to live inside it so in my infinite wisdom i decided it would be a good idea to cover the keyboard in insecticide
[22:03] <samuel_> which melted the surface of the keys
[22:03] <AlanBell> nice
[22:03] <AlanBell> das keyboard netbook
[22:04] <samuel_> yah, so now every bit of fluff sticks to the keyboard
[22:04] <diplo> samuel_: Take it off and clean it ?
[22:04] <samuel_> but even before that i had somehow managed to break the power switch, and the only way to switch it on was with a cocktail stick
[22:05] <samuel_> the surface of the keys has a different texture now, it attracts fluff like velcro
[22:05] <christel> i think  may do Plumbing tomorrow! :p
[22:05] <diplo> Sounds like a new keyboard from ebay ?
[22:05] <diplo> I say that's sensible christel :)
[22:05] <christel> indeed! hehe
[22:05] <diplo> Can call one of the Alans when you get stuck then
[22:05] <samuel_> i use it as a file server now :D the battery will go for 9 hours so even if some idiot pulls the plug out my file shares and torrents can still be active all day :D
[22:06]  * AlanBell will call christel next time there is plumbing to do
[22:06] <bigcalm> Hehe
[22:06] <christel> hehe
[22:07] <diplo> Google I/O talked me into trying Chrome Canary
[22:07] <samuel_> my old netbook is a samsung n150
[22:07] <samuel_> gave me many tears regarding hardware compatibility
[22:08] <samuel_> but i dare say it taught me alot about patching the kernel and blacklisting drivers
[22:08] <samuel_> but the realtek wireless chip on it has always been junk regardless of which kernel
[22:09] <AlanBell> wonder if I should do a das keyboard ultimate layout for onboard
[22:09] <AlanBell> theme rather
[22:10] <samuel_> i have never been a fan of floating keyboards as an input method
[22:10] <samuel_> only perhaps as an accessibility tool
[22:12] <samuel_> i tried an acer iconia with windows 7 which has a floating keyboard, it was a right pain to type with compared to android tablets with the more embedded keyboard
[22:12] <ali1234> "Phone start-up failed. Contact the retailer."
[22:12] <ali1234> hehehe
[22:12] <AlanBell> I have not tried onboard on a touchscreen, I would like to
[22:12] <AlanBell> ali1234: give them a call
[22:13] <AlanBell> oh
[22:13] <samuel_> the gnome shell onscreen keyboard is excellant
[22:13] <ali1234> the procedure for downgrading this symbian involves flashing 4 different firmwares
[22:13] <ali1234> i think it's working this time, cos last time i just got a white screen at this point
[22:13] <samuel_> it can be set to appear when you click in a text box and goes away when you click anywhere else
[22:14] <samuel_> the only trouble is, like with onboard, if the text area is near the bottom of the screen your kinda screwed
[22:14] <AlanBell> onboard can do that too
[22:15] <AlanBell> if the text area is at the bottom of the screen you can drag onboard to the top :)
[22:16] <AlanBell> I think onboard needs to grow the little letter thumb things that pop out of the key when you press it, people like those on phones
[22:16] <samuel_> yeah the problem is, on a tablet you want to type with your thumbs, if you cant keep the onscreen keyboard in one place you cant get any meaningful typing done
[22:17] <samuel_> what would be better is if the onscreen keyboard temporarily takes over the screen, that would allow you to type a good amount
[22:17] <AlanBell> I would like it to be integrated into unity really
[22:17] <samuel_> so text always appears here and keyboard always appears there, consistancy is good
[22:18] <samuel_> yeah me too! at the moment gnome shell with a few mods is better on a touch device than unity
[22:18] <AlanBell> so it pops up like the HUD or something
[22:18] <AlanBell> though possibly at the bottom of the screen
[22:18] <samuel_> i think on a tablet a capcitive or hardware button for HUD would be favourable
[22:19] <AlanBell> gord: have you stopped stealing the alt key from virtual machines yet? I might turn the HUD back on if that is fixed.
[22:19] <samuel_> if you look at what android does, that is a good example of how the onscreen keyboard can be implemented
[22:19] <AlanBell> Bug #938764
[22:20] <samuel_> when you click on a text box in a website you get a screen with text entry at top and keyboard at bottom
[22:20] <AlanBell> samuel_: yeah, I installed the hackers keyboard on android
[22:21] <AlanBell> Bug #741869
[22:22] <samuel_> i wonder if we will get HUD and unity panel integration on libre office in 12.10
[23:31] <ali1234> AWESOME
[23:31] <ali1234> downgrade successful