[06:30] morning lovelies [06:44] * Monotoko stumbles in, and heads straight for the coffee [06:55] looks like a lot of spam has hit our mailing list [07:02] Morning all [07:02] Monotoko: Certainly has [07:06] Morning all [07:08] popey: Are you able to poke the mailing list to block and email address sending spam to the list, being sent by John P Taylor with no subject, 3 overnight [07:11] Or AlanBell Daviey ^^ [07:15] was all excited as well, thought there was loads of new mail to read! XD [07:21] I didn't look at the links, just looked very spammy, wonder if its goat po rn or "enhancement tablets" [07:24] DJones, make billions of dollars from home or w/e it is [07:24] (using crap that we've just got randomly from free sources on the web!) [07:27] DJones, already did it [07:27] morning all [07:28] morning ^_^ [07:28] popey: Thanks [07:28] np [07:28] now all we need is for people to stop replying to them [07:28] :) [07:28] * Monotoko is not guilty of that, at all... [07:28] AlanBell: Invites seem fun :) [07:29] Heh, yeah that would be sort of obvious really [07:29] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Accomplishments Team Meeting - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/06/28/ubuntu-accomplishments-team-meeting/ [07:30] diplo: yeah, now people are inviting me to BBQs at their house in North California [07:31] AlanBell: If they provide transport & accomodation, take them up on the offer [07:31] lol :) [07:32] DJones: yeah, that is what most people said about my one [07:33] I've gone as maybe, would like to meet up with you guys... and if popey still wants it I can bring the Virgin kit ? [07:34] A bit too far for me, so I've declined [07:34] What will you do if the other 379 invited people say yes and turn up? [07:35] diplo, the what? [07:35] have a big party I guess [07:35] Hide the chickens [07:35] Virgin HD + SD units we talked about some months ago that I totally forgot about till seeing them the other day [07:35] it would be a great party with Linus Torvalds, Will Wheaton and George Takei there [07:36] you invited Linus Torvalds? [07:36] Have you invited RMS [07:36] Monotoko: yeah [07:36] Maybe he could try the extreme ironing challenge [07:37] nice! It's a bit far for me sadly :( [07:45] BIG PARTY \o/ [07:46] Just watching the video of the Google Glass sky dive thing, got to say it's great [07:50] Sergey Brin isn't a great presenter, but he had pretty cool stuff to work with [07:51] No, got to tsay he sucks a bit :D [07:52] Sergey had no script [07:52] so in front of 6K people I would forgive him that [07:54] yeah, it was fine === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:07] Yummy http://wheresmysammich.com/picture/15347/kit-kat-chunky/ If a bit sickly trying to eat all of it [08:07] too early for chocolate :P [08:08] Its evening in some parts of the world [08:08] true... but this is #ubuntu-uk ;) [08:09] But we don't restrict the channel to uk people [08:09] We have been known to let foreigners in [08:11] morning all [08:14] DJones, you twisted my words :( [08:14] morning davmor2 :) [08:14] Monotoko: Just a bit === bigcalm_laptop is now known as bigcalm_ === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm_laptop [08:24] Good morning peeps :) [08:24] morning morning [08:26] AlanBell: can your garden cope with 380+ people? [08:30] bigcalm_laptop: it would be a little bit friendly [08:31] Just a touch [08:31] heh [08:57] aloha [08:58] moo [09:00] Python gurus, time.sleep the best option to use in a python script I've used, basically want to wait 2 secs before trying to unmount a usb stick as we keep getting some errors about not being able to unmount [09:01] Hey czajkowski, popey & diplo :) [09:01] diplo: time.sleep, yes [09:01] you are using udisks? [09:02] yeah [09:02] File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py", line 630, in call_blocking message, timeout) [09:02] dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. [09:02] Keep getting this on one site, others work fine as does my own tests [09:02] you have to ensure the disk is mounted before you can unmount it [09:02] Wondering whether it needs a little delay before unmounting [09:03] OK, I can test for that, but it's just finished copying files accross then checks what was used / space used etc then unmounts [09:04] in my script it shows how to do it [09:04] The space part works fine, but unmount directly after fails [09:04] yeah just looking now thanks [09:04] though i'm not sure why unmount would fail if it really is mounted, unless a file is in use or something [09:04] yeah [09:05] brb [09:05] How do I tell git to use a particular ssh key when cloning a repo? [09:06] it should try all of them [09:06] 'all of them'? [09:06] where does it look? [09:06] yes [09:06] it looks in ~/.ssh? [09:06] just in ~/.ssh? [09:06] ah [09:06] make sure you are using the right username [09:07] bigcalm_laptop: check GIT_SSH in man git? [09:07] looks like a convoluted way to do it [09:07] write a script that uses the right key, set GIT_SSH=/path/to/that/script === StaffRingedSeal is now known as Myrtti [09:09] That is convoluted [09:10] or just link the key to something in ~/.ssh... [09:10] I have 2 ssh keys in .ssh [09:11] are either the one you want it to use? [09:12] Yes, the 2nd one [09:12] oh! [09:12] And I've just added the public key to gitlab [09:12] But when I try to clone, it's asking for the ssh password for the git user. Not what I want [09:21] I think that daft script is probably the best way... [09:25] But that shouldn't be the case. Things should "just work" [09:27] I changed the order of my ssh keys and it worked [09:27] I don't like that [09:30] ohhh hell... we are about to turn into China :( [09:30] there are proposals to have an opt-out of content filtering online [09:35] !ping [09:35] another contentless ping... sigh... [09:38] ali1234: Sorry about that, yeah I'm wondering whether the usb device is still having some last few millisecond read/writes, so why I was going to try the time.sleep [09:38] Seems I have taken my usb sticks/drives home though :( [09:46] Nafallo, do datahop have somewhere on IRC where I can poke people? [09:53] good morning everyone. [09:53] popey: did you consider my question? [09:58] davmor2: you do realise that there are now other people in here? The noises you're making might get some odd looks [10:00] bigcalm_laptop: and yet I still don't care :P [10:01] bigcalm_laptop, didnt see it [10:01] one mo [10:02] Ok [10:06] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/28/mark_shuttleworth_live_chat/ have a chat with sabdfl [10:08] czajkowski: PROD!!!! [10:09] davmor2: morning [10:13] I feel proud... just helped a work colleuge who's been surrounded by Windows and ASP/Coldfusion debug a Linux server [10:13] he's been doing this a lot longer than I have :P [10:27] Haha, yeah [10:27] I remember when one of the senior guys here rang me up with a bind question [10:27] Monotoko, eek, coldfusion [10:27] I felt really proud until I asked him what on earth made him think I'd know the answer... [10:28] BigRedS: "Well you know unix" [10:31] my initial thoughts were right... he was like "something is taking up 95% of my disk drive"... I was tempted to reply with "rm -rf /var/log" [10:32] narrowed it down to the access.log for apache [10:32] Did you use find ? [10:33] MartijnVdS: we're all Linux here [10:33] I'm not - well, I have a linux server but I'm not using it right now. [10:33] nah, I used: du -a /var | sort -n -r | head -n 10 [10:33] I always use du for that sort of thing [10:33] gave me the evil file instantly [10:33] du and sort for the win etc. [10:34] ... I'm on Win 7 right now, I feel like a minority in here :P [10:35] well it is an Ubuntu channel ;) I'm using Win7 on my work laptop. [10:35] I'm normally on Win7 in here as well :) [10:35] I'm actually accessing this channel via a BSD server ;) [10:36] Monotoko: Can also use du -sh --max-depth=1 [10:36] hard core :) [10:36] Win7 is on my college-laptop... I was told that I can't take the OS off :( [10:36] I use my VPS with irssi now [10:36] du -s * [10:37] that's handy for just getting summaries, beware of hidden directories, of course. [10:39] BigRedS: so why did he come to you for bind help? [10:39] sometimes the problem is a large number of small files [10:39] MartijnVdS: I think I'd made a disparaging comment about Virtualmin's Bind config thingy [10:39] virtualmin drives me up the wall >.> [10:39] I think the real reason was that everyone else was busy [10:39] the install script breaks :( [10:40] Can't say I've ever used any of the min packages [10:40] lol, the new nokia maps has a "feature" whereby when you are trying to use the maps it puts all your geotagged images on the map [10:40] hahahaha [10:40] How are you finding the *upgrade* so far ali1234 ? [10:40] Nokia? It's been a while since I've heard of them... :) [10:40] i guess that could actually be useful [10:41] I bet that sounded awesome in the meeting [10:41] diplo: it's not as bad as i expected actually [10:41] * Monotoko still has his 3GS [10:41] they have removed pretty much every feature of the phone that i ever used and replaced them with angry birds and microsoft communicator [10:41] Hmm Galaxy Nexus [10:41] Can't wait for jelly bean :) [10:42] but apart from that it's pretty much as bad as the previous version [10:42] :) [10:43] I had a lot of fun disabling useless launch daemons to get as much speed as I could from my 3GS last night >.> iOS 5 really weighs it down [10:43] this photos on map thing could have really hilarious unintended consequences [10:44] like you give your mate a lift home. put in his post code. "hey why are there loads of pictures of my wife" [10:44] etc [10:45] interesting... we refuse to extradite a convicted sex criminal to the US... but will happily send hackers and copyright breakers [10:46] Monotoko, priorities [10:46] Monotoko: more bribes are paid for those [10:46] Monotoko, no businesses benefit from sex criminals. well, prisons do, but gang members are cheaper [10:47] even worse... child sex offender, blocked because of the EU human rights... I mean WTF? [10:47] nobody should be extradited to the US for any reason [10:47] this world is completely backwards [10:47] i don't care what they've done [10:48] what's new in jelly bean? [10:48] we should send their diplomats back though [10:49] do I detect any anti-US sentiment there ali? ;) :P [10:49] only towards their government [10:49] extradition is reasonable for crimes committed abroad, to countries without torture or inhuman treatment [10:49] ali1234: Re: Jelly Bean: More of Google spying on you !!! I'm hoping on Tizen. [10:49] the US fails the criteria, tbh [10:49] directhex: which rules out extradition to the US [10:50] n1md4, tizen won't go anywhere. [10:50] n1md4, it's a boondoggle [10:54] but esriously, any decent features in JB? [11:04] guess not a lot oimon :) [11:04] not looked myself as I haven't got a phone that can run it [11:05] http://www.androidauthority.com/android-jelly-bean-4-1-new-feature-highlights-98035/ [11:59] davmor2_ wants to spoon me :( [12:00] TMI [12:00] bigcalm_laptop: No I want to throw a spoon at you to keep you awake there is a difference === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [12:12] oimon: I'd heard it was mostly performance improvements === mrevell_ is now known as mrevell [12:34] BigRedS, did you hear about the linaro boys who inspected the code and got some massive improvements. hope it gets into CM [12:36] oimon: oh, no. Sounds good! [12:36] https://plus.google.com/u/0/112352920206354603958/posts/hw6G6FedE3d [12:36] "What do you get when the open source community looks at Android 4? Up to twice the speed!" [12:37] " [12:37] The speed of these demos is an improvement of 100% (60 fps versus 30fps) versus Googles stock Android 4.04" [12:44] Quite an improvement :) [12:44] Just watched the vid [12:45] Wonder what optimisations they could make if they didn't have closed GPU drivers etc [12:45] That was just for the panda board but still [13:04] does the youtube captions get added by humans or machine? [13:04] the linaro video, done by a machine surely [13:04] "quotes runs on an ethnic" - random quote [13:06] oimon: ETH NIC ? [13:06] oimon: they can be contributed, but 99.9999% of them are automatically generated and are very very poor [13:07] it's like reading william s burroughs [13:09] "asically, parts of the Linaro code have been submitted to the CM9 gerrit and are currently awaiting approval. Once commited, these tweaks will be added to the main CM9 code, giving all supported devices a drastic increase in performance." [13:09] its so humid :( [13:09] and warm and nice and sunny ;D [13:09] although very little sleep was had [13:09] sunny is nice, humid is not [13:10] its actually not sunny here either, overcast [13:16] on hols next week so need moar sun [13:18] check out the tablet in this video from 1994 http://www.androidauthority.com/apple-samsung-patent-war-69575/ [13:20] anyone know vsftpd well enough to know if userlist_enable really does what it looks like it should do? [13:21] "When a developer publishes an app update, Google Play now only delivers the changes bits of the application rather then the entire APK. This makes app updates much lighter and easier on your network data. On average, a smart app update is about 1/3 the size of the full APK update." - looks like the most useful update to 4.1 for me [13:23] Ah, so nothing too major, then? [13:23] or are you just on a really restricted data tarrif? [13:23] no, but nothing else really affects me [13:23] Ah, yeah, the former then :) [13:24] yep, although performance is welcome as i'm running a htc desire, now 2yrs old [13:26] i'm running a two year old nexus one, can't say i really need more performance [13:26] all i really use my phone for is email, phone and light web stuff, mostly checking news feeds [13:26] yeah, I've largely got myself over the need to do loads of stuff on it [13:27] I think I don't even have an ssh client on it any more [13:27] when all you do is what i do with a phone, i find it hard to justify getting a new one. yay its pretty much exactly the same.. [13:27] i'm very close to getting the giffgaff £5 per month deal [13:28] Ah, I break mine about twice as frequently as my contracts expire :( [13:28] due to my low minutes [13:29] oimon: You dont get the data with that package though do you [13:29] Been a while since I looked at it mind [13:29] diplo, pure data nothing else [13:30] Don't do texts ? [13:30] no, google message instead [13:30] and irc :D [13:31] I would do that but I don't think my mum/dad could cope [13:31] They have just understood texting [13:32] Rushing them may be an issue [13:32] :p [13:36] really wish the android text messenger could send to email addresses, then i could sneakily replace my phone number with an email in friends and families contacts [13:38] haha [13:39] I'm still bemused that it's non-trivial to send text messages from my PC [13:39] About eight years ago I decided that it should be really easy and we'd be able to do it soon [13:39] BigRedS: do you have an android phone? [13:39] yeah [13:39] there is a prog to do such, i htink it is called mightytext or similer. [13:40] BigRedS: install AirDroid :) [13:40] oh wow [13:40] _everything_ has a web UI these days [13:40] :D [13:40] I love AirDroid! [13:42] I've even got my Dad to install it :D [13:45] i like that GG actually tell me how many minutes i've used [13:45] busy month this month :S 26 mins [13:47] anyone know how I can make a txt file which has numbers going sequentially up? so like a text file that starts at a0001 and goes through to a2000 ...?: ) [13:49] is that all you're after, just numbers [13:49] for i in $(seq 1 200); do echo a$i ; done [13:50] yeah, needs to be preceeded but a letter though 'a' for example [13:50] preceded by leading zeros too? [13:50] bubu: Not the most elegant, but a spreadsheet, a0001 cell a1, a0002 cell a2, and then just extend the range and save as a text file [13:50] for i in {0001..2000}; do echo a$i; done > file [13:50] DJones, I know but even though ends up the same, id prefer a more elegant way of doing it! ;) [13:51] thx BigRedS and oimon :))) [13:51] BigRedS, has your answer [13:51] how do you guys manage your passwords? [13:51] i seem to have 2 keepassX files and then there's chromium and firefox passwords i haven't put in keepass [13:52] its a mess [13:52] heey spotify finally got a new adver... oh god its that simples meercat [13:53] BigRedS, your a star :) [13:53] bubu: haha, no worries. I was just amazed that I got the syntax right first time! [13:53] hah, you did! [13:54] installing groovy (2.0.0~beta2+isreally1.8.6-0ubuntu1) [13:54] ugh ..ugly version name [13:54] hahaha [13:54] grub2 needs that sort of version string [13:54] funny story - just got a webcam (ipcam) so my gf can watch her bunnies when we are away. the manufacturer has its own in built DNS in there which you can turn off. a0001.cipcam.com for example [13:55] written a script to do a reverse lookup on all those dns records, pass that to nmap to scan [13:55] there thousands open with no auth at all! [13:55] hahaa [13:55] im sure this has been covered before but still ridiculous! [13:56] remember that there's images you cannot unsee [13:56] heh, im counting on it oimon ;o) [13:56] oimon: KeepassX is all I use now [13:56] and most will be behind nat [13:56] diplo, how do you import the password? [13:56] I'm just very good now as soon as I sign up to a site I add it straight away [13:56] most have port forwarding\ [13:56] so can see externally [13:57] from the ones ive tested [13:57] post any good ones here :P [13:57] Import the password from a current site ? [13:57] hehe [13:57] will do! [13:57] clean ones of course [13:57] :D [13:57] bubu: what camera? [13:57] I've manually input all of mine id rhats what you mean [13:57] trying this: http://lifehacker.com/248702/how-to-import-saved-firefox-passwords-into-keepass [13:58] Oh right, I just dod it manually :) [13:58] Didn;t take that long tbh [13:58] muahahaha [13:59] Also updated a lot of the sites with better passwords as I went through oimon [13:59] AlanBell, eBay jobbie [13:59] cipcam.com is the domain [14:02] dumping all the brute forced reverse lookups to a sql lite 3 db now [14:02] thinks bubu will be disappointed [14:02] heh me 2 [14:02] probably oimon [14:02] Can do the same with Axis Cameras [14:02] woth a punt though [14:02] yeah [14:02] ive seen the same being 'exploited' before [14:02] Did it a few years ago when I set up a network of them for work [14:03] As oimon said, their are some that can't be unseen [14:03] :) [14:03] I was thinking of getting a new webcam, the colour on my logitec is unstable [14:05] i have some webcams but never used them [14:05] heh I have them in PC's at home/work and laptop [14:05] i should use them with my rasbpi killer [14:05] And I've used them 3/4 times in the same amount of years [14:06] rasbpi killer? [14:06] linksys slug [14:07] slugs eat my raspberries [14:18] haven't found a secure way to get my passwords out of chromium yet :-\ [14:18] secure? [14:18] i was under the impression than putting passwords into a webbrowser was inherently insecure [14:19] i mean a way to export them from chromium without running a random windows app [14:22] make a website that spoofs the websites that you want the passwords for, and then log what passwords chrome sends to it [14:23] AlanBell, I have a Logitech pro 9000 which seems pretty good [14:24] webcam? get a logitech C910 [14:24] Any PHPites able to shed light on this? http://paste.debian.net/176825/ [14:25] popey: seriously? thats the exact webcam i have. we might as well just share amazon/ebuyer accounts, we buy all the same stuff anyway [14:25] haha [14:25] the only flaw with it is it has started to uh.. droop [14:26] have you tried out the webcam software it has for windows? it will put a pigs nose on your face, it is excellent. [14:28] not for some years [14:31] Pro 9000 is what we use for meetings between us and Nottingham [14:31] Only thing that used to let us down was the bandwith [14:31] :) [14:34] Anyone let me know command in irssi to display list of users in a channel [14:34] My battery just died and going through webpages is proving a bit slower without the mouse :D [14:36] /names [14:36] ta [14:36] :) [14:36] :) [14:37] I was trying to guess, but names didn't come to me :) [14:37] :) [14:37] and it seems google foo sucks [14:37] diplo: i might have suggested looking on the irssi site. [14:38] I did, but was taking forever to go through links etc [14:38] ok. [14:40] Well I've got a red light back on mouse now, see if that lasts till 5 :) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:45] popey: mine is Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Pro 5000 [14:53] so does the logitec C910 work well in google hangouts and skype? [14:54] my logitech 9000 works fine in hangouts and skype [14:57] i have had no issue with my 9000 [14:57] C910 is a bit of a different beast though [15:02] http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/6793/50483 has just started if you fancy listening in to Mark baker [15:03] AlanBell: yes it works fine === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [15:27] :) [15:27] MooDoo: me owld mucka [15:54] Yay home time! [15:58] czajkowski: i have put a picture of david's first rugby-related injury on facebook! [15:58] (since i know you love eyeing up small people) [16:04] hi guys, [16:05] what is the easyest way to move existing ubuntu system to a brand new drive ? [16:06] Songtao: using an Ubuntu CD or USB stick [16:06] dd :D [16:06] how to using ubuntu CD ? [16:07] hard drive diffrent size [16:09] dd / ? [16:09] will work ? dd / [16:10] Songtao: you just install it? [16:10] oh move an existing system [16:10] clonezilla. [16:12] existing harddrive will fail soon, so need replace it with a brand new one [16:12] clonezilla will do ? thanks, I will google it now [16:12] christel: awww cute [16:12] Songtao: popey was happy with it, I think [16:13] yeah, clonezilla is good for taking a snapshot [16:13] popey: moving it to a new HD/PC too, right? [16:14] can you use that snapshot on different size drive ? [16:14] Songtao: You can always resize the partition/file system later if it can't resize the partition [16:15] but I think it should work [16:15] thanks a lot, I will try [16:16] yeah [16:16] you cant restore onto a smaller disk though [16:17] can you shrink the partition first, then snapshot then restore then expand again? [16:21] i wouldn't on a failing disk [16:25] no worries, upgrading, new drive always bigger than old one. === dogmatic69_ is now known as dogmatic69 [16:26] so I can not just tar the existing system, and then untar it on the new drive root. [16:28] clonezilla might be useful for copying the root drive, Songtao [16:28] it will create an image file of the hard drive. [16:28] thanks I will try that [16:29]