[00:00] <Blazeix> waldo323: http://mathematicsforstudents.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/problem.jpg?w=593
[00:09] <derekv> cars about an inch shorter
[00:09] <derekv> maybe a few
[00:13] <snap-l> greg-g: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/lrbYgGlCKB0B5FRjzF7Q/
[01:51] <rick_h_> derekv: http://pyvideo.org/video/529/pyohio-2011--creating-web-apis-that-are-a-joy-to-
[02:47] <snap-l> greg-g: had a follow-up conversation that mat be promising. :)
[02:47] <snap-l> may, rather
[03:53] <rick_h_> ok, so a de-duper script was a crap ton easier to write
[03:53] <rick_h_> now if it'd just finish running on the live site kthx
[03:56] <snap-l> ;)
[03:56] <rick_h_> ok, so took a minute to run, but deduped 600 bookmarks
[03:56] <rick_h_> combined tags, thanks for the suggestion/idea
[03:57] <rick_h_> Ordered a nexus 7, derekv's got me all interested in mobile ui's and I've got a phone so need to see the tablet ui.
[04:13] <rick_h_> snap-l: don't kick me :P
[04:14] <derekv> haha
[04:15] <derekv> i don't even have a tablet
[04:15] <rick_h_> I had to try out an event so setup one for CHC and invited snap-l
[04:15] <rick_h_> so now I'll get a boot, gotta watch out
[04:15] <rick_h_> derekv: yea, you got me really thinking a cool two pane webui with left list, readable scrolling content on the right
[04:15] <derekv> I consider it inevidable I just have fun seeing how long I can put it off
[04:15] <rick_h_> can do it for the normal desktop view
[04:16] <derekv> thats why I wondered about setting up views that are themselves components ...
[04:16] <rick_h_> yea
[04:16] <rick_h_> in the webui I can have Views compose of other views
[04:17] <rick_h_> so I'll head down that path and see if I can get something cool and two paned. Keep the tag filter up top and you can filter on toread to just limit the list/scroll through
[04:17] <derekv> Yea.  obviously not a new idea just need to see how it plays out with android native ... could be good stuff
[04:17] <rick_h_> anyway, good price point and want to setup a yeti cluster for my JS tests anyway.
[04:18] <rick_h_> exactly, I'm not sure how deep into Java I can get, ugh I'm not a fan, but if it's what's required might end up that way as the web setup/api stabailized
[04:18] <rick_h_> one day I'll do something cool on there that'll make it popular and hack on it full time :P
[04:18] <Blazeix> heh, my friend with the retina macbook got X running: http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/mbp.png
[04:19] <derekv> its better using java in the android context then it is in the web context... well thats just my current opinion
[04:19] <derekv> but I'm not a fan of java either
[04:19] <rick_h_> hah! yea, there was a mockup of unity on the retina display and the icons on the left were barely clickable
[04:19] <rick_h_> oh yea, I can't ever see doing the web stuff with it, I could see getting interested in it for android dev though
[04:20] <rick_h_> but I am a big Web > * person usually, and chrome ootb by default is a big win
[04:20] <derekv> I wish they hadn't chosen it for android
[04:20] <derekv> between it and obj-c its a toss up which is worse, pros and cons
[04:20] <rick_h_> meh, I hear Obj-C has some big warts as well
[04:20] <rick_h_> but yea, I understand the decision though
[04:20] <derekv> yes... yes it does
[04:20] <rick_h_> the webos model is my dream
[04:20] <rick_h_> and now I guess boot2gecko
[04:21] <rick_h_> but go look and you're not going to win users/$$ working on that
[04:21] <rick_h_> not for a long while at least
[04:22] <derekv> nah
[04:22] <rick_h_> bah widox forgot to bring out the MS mice, had them in the backpack tonight
[04:22] <derekv> well who knows right? but i'm not banking on it
[04:23] <rick_h_> yea, /me goes on dreaming
[04:25] <derekv> you can see in the android design where they had this idea of an ecosystem of apps and componants
[04:26] <derekv> like how you have with linux and a package manager
[04:26] <derekv> perhaps not to that extent
[04:26] <derekv> but how in reality not many are going to put an app in the store that the user has to also have some other 3rd party things installed
[04:27] <derekv> idk ... time for bed
[04:30] <rick_h_> zzzz
[10:42] <snap-l> Morning
[10:43] <snap-l> Blazeix: That screenshot is awesome. :)
[10:43] <snap-l> Subject:
[10:44] <snap-l> Re: Question:Programming a game grid ...
[10:44] <snap-l> My 1980s self would have loved to program a game grid, but then would have felt guilty for all of the programs that were derezzed.
[11:48] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2012/06/28/open-metalcast-special-episode-club-metal-11/
[11:50] <shakes808> errrrr morning
[11:51] <snap-l> morning. :)
[11:55] <rick_h_> morn
[11:56] <rick_h_> closed up all the shades, house is on over heat lock down
[12:14] <nullspace> moring
[12:35] <jrwren> obj-c is awesome
[12:35] <rick_h_> heh, I"ve not used it so I'll hold back judgement...but I hear stories :)
[12:37] <jrwren> its really nice once you settle into it.
[12:37] <jrwren> i found settling into obj-c more comfortable than settling into python
[12:37] <jrwren> but I think that is because there are no standards in objc, you just write code and no one cares AFAICT
[12:38] <jrwren> but in python you should be pythonic so that is much more challenging
[12:38] <jrwren> but to compare to java its no contest.
[12:38] <rick_h_> you're failing to convince me lol
[12:38] <jrwren> i'm not trying.
[12:40] <widox> rick_h_: oh right! maybe next time
[12:40] <rick_h_> widox: yea, big duh on my part.
[12:41] <brousch> I am scumbag open source advocate for a while. Advocates Linux, uses OSX
[12:43] <brousch> I need 8GB of RAM to work in Eclipse for Android. The MBP is my only 8GB machine. I can't get external monitors working under Linux on the MBP, so I'm stuck in OSX
[13:11] <snap-l> brousch: Cry me a river.
[13:13] <brousch> I thought I just did
[13:19] <jrwren> brousch: you are an open source advocate?
[13:20] <brousch> I advocate open source, so yes
[13:25] <rick_h_> https://developers.google.com/live/shows/ahNzfmdvb2dsZS1kZXZlbG9wZXJzcg4LEgVFdmVudBj3gtcCDA/ is kind of cool for web devs though the speakers are a bit patronizing
[13:26] <jrwren> is that where they are showing shadow dom?
[13:26] <rick_h_> yea
[13:26] <jrwren> I couldn't understand what they were doing with shadow dom
[13:26] <jrwren> I was watching it live yesterday and I just didn't see the point
[13:26] <rick_h_> I think their <video> tag was a good example
[13:27] <rick_h_> making google search work better is a big part :)
[13:27] <rick_h_> but I think the idea of putting work into standard UI components at the dom like this is a good thing
[13:30] <jrwren> is vagrant kind of like juju, just focused on development boxes?
[13:30] <rick_h_> http://mozilla.github.com/x-tag/ looks like
[13:31] <rick_h_> jrwren: I guess, kind of hard to compare something starting/handling machines vs installing/running software packages
[13:32] <jrwren> Maas then?
[13:32] <snap-l> btw: Club Metal #11 is out
[13:32] <jrwren> i should probably just go use each of them, but I don't have the time :(
[13:50] <rick_h_> no, I think you're ok. You can do 'recipes' of machines/config and such with vagrant so I guess it's not too far off from a juju type thing, but without the additional logic of tying together bits
[13:50] <rick_h_> right, you dno't vagrant up mysql-dev
[13:50] <rick_h_> vagrant up mysql-dev and start them sync'ing
[13:50] <rick_h_> you'd have a recipe for two mysql machines setup to sync and can pass it around
[13:54] <snap-l> I <3 Python's kawrgs
[13:55] <snap-l> just took out a bunch of redundant typo-making arguments
[13:55] <rick_h_> don't go crazy with them
[13:55] <rick_h_> but yea, darn handy sometimes
[13:55] <snap-l> rick_h_: I know. With great power comes great responsibility
[13:55] <snap-l> but I just cut out a bunch of stuff for a SQLAlchemy model
[13:56] <rick_h_> yea
[13:56] <snap-l> 29 arguments with an init method to to self.foo = foo is not fun
[13:56] <rick_h_> right
[13:56] <snap-l> Thank you for the tip
[13:56] <rick_h_> np, glad it's helped
[14:09] <brousch> OK, wow, OSX Lion comes with Python2.5.6, Python2.6.7, and Python2.7.1 pre-installed
[14:09] <brousch> The 2.5 and 2.6 are actually newer than the newest binary releases you can download from Python.org
[15:06] <nullspace> wow trying to get an OSX VM setup, what pita
[15:09] <brousch> Is there even an osX license compatible with running in a VM?
[15:10] <nullspace> there are a bunch of articles on setting one up
[15:10] <nullspace> have yet to follow one with any success
[15:13] <brousch> Are you trying to run a OSX VM on oSX, or one something else?
[15:13] <brousch> Running it without Apple hardware will awaken Zombie Steve Jobs to hunt you down and eat your soul
[15:16] <nullspace> I've got a demo crowbar with his name on it
[15:17] <nullspace> brousch: it's booting, it's alive, it's alive muhahahahaha
[15:17] <nullspace> no lightening needed
[15:21] <nullspace> speaking of which I'm not seeing anything on the radar, are these clouds suppose to rapidly coalesce above us?
[15:23] <snap-l> nullspace: I think they'll be popcorn storms
[15:23] <snap-l> cold-front hasn't hit us yet
[15:24] <rick_h_> come on cold-front!
[15:24] <snap-l> rick_h_: It'll be pretty weak
[15:24] <snap-l> we're still supposed to hit 90+F tomorrow
[15:24] <rick_h_> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[15:24] <snap-l> http://www.wunderground.com/US/MI/Royal_Oak.html
[15:24] <rick_h_> *sigh* http://www.weather.com/weather/5-day/Portland+OR+USOR0275:1:US
[15:26] <nullspace> and now I have a pinwheel of doom..damn it
[15:28] <brousch> nullspace: That means it's working normally
[15:33] <jrwren> OSX runs in a VM on OSX. so inside parallel or vmware
[15:34] <snap-l> jrwren: eh?
[15:34] <jrwren> answering brousch's question.
[15:35] <jrwren> you are allowed to run OSX in a VM as long as it is on OSX on apple hardware
[15:35] <snap-l> jrwren: Right, I got that. What's this about it running in a VM?
[15:35] <jrwren> nullspace is trying to do it. can you not read up?
[15:35] <snap-l> jrwren: OSX runs in a VM on OSX.
[15:36] <snap-l> The way I initally read it was "OSX runs in a VM on a Mac"
[15:36] <snap-l> and that didn't compute.
[15:36] <jrwren> oh! no, i did not mean that.
[15:37] <nullspace> linux host running virtual box trying run OSX
[15:38] <jrwren> yeah... don't do that.
[15:43] <derekv> someones going to portland?
[15:43] <rick_h_> derekv: I'm trying to talk the wife into moving there
[15:43] <derekv> I know a couple people there
[15:43] <rick_h_> something about "re-estabilishing a medical practice isn't easy, and family, and it's far away" keeps getting in the way
[15:44] <snap-l> That and paying for exterminators to get the hippies out of the hose.
[15:44] <snap-l> house
[15:45] <jrwren> don't leave MI.
[15:45] <jrwren> we need you rick_h_
[15:45] <jrwren> if you want a better quality of life, just move to AA
[15:45] <derekv> ortechie
[15:46] <rick_h_> jrwren: see weather.com link above
[15:46] <derekv> rick_h_: the video you linked to gave me a good starting point
[15:46] <rick_h_> derekv: ?
[15:46] <rick_h_> oh oh right, the api thing
[15:46] <derekv> yea
[15:46] <rick_h_> yea, I mean it wasn't an amazing talk, but it got my brain going hard core
[15:47] <derekv> i'm listening to your questions now =]
[15:48] <jrwren> rick_h_: ha! yeah... but you also get hte pac nw cloud and rain.
[15:48] <jrwren> and no seasons.
[15:49] <jrwren> i like watching hte leaves turn and death of winter and rebirth in spring.
[15:49] <derekv> i thought it was rainy all the time
[15:49] <derekv> and humid
[15:49] <derekv> not so good bike weather
[15:49] <Blazeix> yeah, i thought portland was known for having terrible weather.
[15:49] <Blazeix> where terrible = rainy for 7 months
[15:49] <rick_h_> derekv: it's great for biking! very bike friendly!
[15:49] <brousch> Weather is not a problem if you don't go outside
[15:50] <rick_h_> it's listed in something like one of the 5 best biking cities I thought
[15:50] <jrwren> anyone ever install remOcular?
[15:50] <derekv> brousch: until we have power outage
[15:50] <derekv> waiting for that
[15:51] <derekv> putting my chips are on 3~4pm today
[15:51] <derekv> 4 days no power.
[15:52] <derekv> i wonder if I grilled meat and salted the hell out of it how long it'd be good without refrigeration
[15:52] <rick_h_> http://www.bicycling.com/ride-maps/featured-rides/1-portland-or
[15:53] <rick_h_> boom!
[15:53] <derekv> kk
[15:53] <rick_h_> not even top 5, but #1 for 2012
[15:57] <krondor> rick_h_:  have you been watching portlandia?  I'm not sure if that show does more to help or hurt a desire to move there.
[15:57] <jrwren> haha, it helped
[15:57] <rick_h_> krondor: my wife keeps saying I must watch it
[15:58] <jrwren> portlandia totally made me want to move to portland
[15:58] <jrwren> you must watch it.
[15:58] <krondor> living in a 90's microcosm would be interesting that's for sure :)
[15:58] <jrwren> portlandia is the best show on teevee
[15:58] <jrwren> the dream of the 90s is still alive in portland
[15:58] <rick_h_> yea, that's her line she likes to throw at me
[15:59] <jrwren> krondor: have you read ... ?
[16:00] <krondor> haha that skit is gold, so many people like that.
[16:00] <krondor> I might be a bit guilty there
[16:01] <rick_h_> lmao, sorry but this is funny https://twitter.com/nadiaoxford/status/218356908371873792
[16:32] <ColonelPanic001> sssshhh
[16:32] <ColonelPanic001> let them go
[16:32] <ColonelPanic001> they'll figure it out too late
[16:32] <ColonelPanic001> "...and here's your Health Canada card!" "My what?" "Oooooh... you're going to be upset. Maybe you should sit down before I explain"
[16:33] <snap-l> Yeah, and when they realize Rush _doesn't_ mean Rush Limbaugh, they'll be really pissed.
[16:33] <ColonelPanic001> haha
[17:11] <derekv> I misunderstood what I was supposed to be doing ... i'm supposed to design the API for the client , not write up a best practices document
[17:13] <snap-l> derekv: Oh, lovely.
[17:14] <derekv> it is actually =]
[17:15] <derekv> but thats a bigger job
[17:20] <derekv> the project got created without a gitignore
[17:20] <derekv> so i have to retroactivly correct that as well
[17:37] <rick_h_> woot!
[17:37] <rick_h_> at least you get to do it then
[17:37] <rick_h_> there you go iOS lovers, have some chrome love
[17:38] <rick_h_> chrome yummy, this is almost more yummy to me than yesterday
[17:40] <brousch> eh?
[17:41] <rick_h_> google IO keynote day 2
[17:41] <rick_h_> you mean you're not all just glued to your screen for Chrome/Docs/Drive news?
[17:42] <brousch> Ah geez
[17:42] <rick_h_> chromebooks in best buy
[17:42] <rick_h_> now we'll see what the market says
[17:42] <brousch> You know what's sad? On OSX I actually have a Google-provided Drive client
[17:43] <rick_h_> yea, they announced iOS Chrome coming today
[17:43] <rick_h_> all the demos'equipment on stage is apple laptops
[17:43] <derekv> thats confusing
[17:44] <rick_h_> how so?
[17:44] <rick_h_> what's crazy is his "other devices" list in chrome has laptop, desktop, android phone, android tablet, iphone, ipad
[17:45] <rick_h_> "MOAR TABS!!!"
[17:45] <derekv> iOS chrome is?
[17:45] <derekv> chrome vs chromebook is confusing
[17:45] <derekv> for one
[17:45] <derekv> java javascript
[17:45] <derekv> ham hamburger
[17:45] <rick_h_> heh
[17:46] <derekv> also because chrome means something else relevent to browsers as well
[17:46] <brousch> chrome/chromium/chromeos/chromiumos
[17:46] <derekv> mozilla has a chrome
[17:46] <derekv> don't forget
[17:46] <rick_h_> here comes google's cloud
[17:47] <rick_h_> IaaS offering 'Compute Engine'
[17:47] <rick_h_> look out ec2
[17:47] <brousch> Google App Engine?
[17:47] <rick_h_> no, linux OS
[17:47] <rick_h_> like ec2
[17:47] <brousch> I'm sure GAE runs on Linux
[17:47] <rick_h_> so not PaaS, but IaaS
[17:47] <rick_h_> right, but think "with root"
[17:48] <brousch> No one wants that
[17:48] <rick_h_> heh, some people do
[17:48] <brousch> Sorry, wandered in troll territory again
[17:49] <rick_h_> Gdocs with offline editing yay, missed that while heading up here.
[17:51] <rick_h_> "than...other cloud providers"
[17:53] <rick_h_> ouch, 770 cores up and running in < 20min
[17:53] <rick_h_> 770k cores that is
[17:54] <brousch> Is that all?
[17:55] <rick_h_> well, for a single app that was running a genome computation
[17:55] <jrwren> DAMNY!
[17:56] <brousch> So is this like EC2 or Heroku?
[17:56] <rick_h_> ec2
[17:56] <rick_h_> app engine == heroku
[17:57] <rick_h_> this is like ec2 linode, rackspace type things
[17:57] <brousch> Hm, yeah, I guess you're right.
[17:57] <jrwren> native client is SWEET
[17:58] <rick_h_> yea, NCL is the key to chromebooks
[17:58] <rick_h_> give it time, they'll start to win users
[17:58] <brousch> I like chromebook for consuming content
[17:59] <rick_h_> yea, lots of family could be just fine on one
[17:59] <brousch> Fast, simple, sturdy
[17:59] <brousch> PRinting is still the stickiest point, but it's getting better
[17:59] <rick_h_> yea, and always up to date
[17:59] <rick_h_> that's underestimated. My wife has 100+ ubuntu updates she's not run yet
[17:59] <rick_h_> but chrome just updates itself
[18:00] <brousch> Heh, almost too often. Seems like I reboot the boy's chromebook twice a week for updates
[18:00] <brousch> Sure, it only takes 15 seconds to reboot, but it's kind of annoying
[18:00] <rick_h_> big win in my book
[18:01] <rick_h_> I'm seriously thinking of replacing my wife's laptop with one when her laptop dies
[18:01] <brousch> He has figured out the new interface, so now he can get videos off of the SD card
[18:01] <rick_h_> she's got a work laptop for the important work stuff that's IE only anyway
[18:03] <rick_h_> heh, sweet. Using webrtc and hte camera to do 'kinect'-like interface
[18:09] <rick_h_> doh, and giving out the chromebox units
[18:10] <widox> ColonelPanic001: are you going to the apps for detroit thing tonight?
[18:10] <ColonelPanic001> nein
[18:11] <widox> ok. saw you posted something on twitter about it
[18:31] <MaskedDriver> http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/nvidia-loses-order-due-to-poor-linux-support-20120628/
[18:32] <MaskedDriver> Linux: "Don't mess with us, brah! How's $500 million taste?"
[18:34] <jrwren> yeah, but thats $500 million us dollars in chinese usd dollars :p
[18:34] <MaskedDriver> that's $500 million USD
[18:35] <MaskedDriver> but I don't know the going currency exchange rate right now between the yen and the USD
[18:35] <MaskedDriver> and have no motivation to find out for you ;)
[18:41] <derekv> ahhhh wtf "fact table"
[18:43] <MaskedDriver> fact table?
[18:44] <rick_h_> heh, someone just got a list of requirements
[18:46] <jrwren> yen is japanese, not chinese
[18:46] <jrwren> and i was joking
[18:47] <MaskedDriver> oh right
[18:47] <MaskedDriver> lol I'm bad at currency
[18:47] <MaskedDriver> want me to do your finances for you?
[18:47] <jrwren> fuk no
[18:47] <jrwren> i trust no one with my finances
[18:48] <MaskedDriver> lol
[18:50] <derekv> rick_h_: yea .... star schema
[18:51]  * derekv splodes
[18:51] <rick_h_> heh, cool demo of the updated android emulator. Swiping on an attached device moves the emulator screen
[18:52] <derekv> rick_h_: why not just debug your app on the attached device then i wonder
[18:52] <derekv> suppose screen sizes
[18:52] <rick_h_> because the device was a phone, but emulating a tablet
[18:52] <derekv> api level
[18:52] <rick_h_> makes that swipe/two finger gesture a bit easier
[19:44] <rick_h_> damn, so my phone is saying I've gone thorugh 3GB of data on my phone the last two days. Watching keynotes fml
[19:49] <greg-g> my buddy found this quote from me, relating to one of our early meetings: "We also don't need to be drunk within 10 minutes, maybe
[19:49] <greg-g> 30."
[19:49] <greg-g> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-mi/2007-August/000002.html
[19:51] <rick_h_> lol
[19:52] <rick_h_> man, 2007?
[19:52] <greg-g> yeah, crazy
[19:52] <rick_h_> I remember this conversation I believe
[19:53] <greg-g> <lie>This is not the place the meeting will be every time, so do
[19:53] <greg-g> not worry.
[19:53] <greg-g> </lie>
[19:54] <rick_h_> lol
[19:54] <rick_h_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-mi/2007-August/000006.html
[19:54] <rick_h_> Hah, I remember that place
[19:54]  * rick_h_ goes strolling down memory lane
[20:05] <greg-g> :(
[20:05] <greg-g> er :)
[20:05] <greg-g> all smiles here
[20:28] <nullspace> whooo usbtmc is quite a trip down the kernel rabbit hole
[20:30] <brousch> On the CD that came with a motherboard, under the Drivers install: Google toolbar, Google Chrome, Norton Internet Security 2011
[20:59] <derekv> so i'm trying to figure out if there's some reason do do more than ssl + http basic auth on every call
[20:59] <derekv> for authentication
[21:00] <derekv> why do things require you to log in, get some sort of tolken
[21:00] <derekv> maybe the heat is getting to me but it seems silly
[21:06] <rick_h_> derekv: so you can revoke the token
[21:06] <rick_h_> without making the user change their password
[21:08] <greg-g> ugh, comments on backpacking with babies blog posts make me lose faith in parts of humanity
[21:09] <greg-g> "how about remember some common sense and leave the baby at home!"
[21:09] <greg-g> :(
[21:10] <rick_h_> heh
[21:11] <rick_h_> we thought about it, but I think the idea of being 8hrs from a road in case of emergency generally convinced us to skip it
[21:11] <greg-g> yeah, definitely not doing major hike, but we at least have to try
[21:12] <rick_h_> yea, it is more complicated though.
[21:12] <rick_h_> but yea, you're on the internet, release the trolls!!!!
[21:16] <derekv> not like api token I meant session_id I think
[21:18] <derekv> well if I'm writing an app the user has their password stored anyways, i'm trying to think of why not usine http basic auth + ssl
[21:18] <derekv> other than the server has to store passwords with reversable encryption
[21:19] <derekv> which I don't prefer but in this case might be ok
[21:19] <derekv> or, the amazon scheme
[21:19] <derekv> which is more complex but its still stateless
[21:20] <derekv> no expiring sessions
[21:20] <derekv> when you turn the device back on
[21:25] <derekv> well, actually, the amazon scheme requires the server to know the password anyways
[21:33] <derekv> too bad client certificates aren't usually an option
[21:33] <derekv> almost perfect security
[22:49] <greg-g> rick_h_: just fyi since you like this stuff too, I just bought this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AZ5YLE/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
[22:58] <rick_h_> 15deg?
[22:59] <rick_h_> man, you planning some cold nights greg-g ?
[22:59] <rick_h_> ah nice, two person. You guys are going to get hot in a 15deg bag together me thinks
[23:14] <greg-g> maybe yeah, but night in cali aren't the warmest: )
[23:14] <rick_h_> yea, sorry, it's 100deg today so hard to htink about 15deg
[23:15] <greg-g> hehe, yeah, kinda jealous about that (kinda)
[23:16] <rick_h_> I'll pass, all the shades drawn, AC blasting
[23:18] <derekv> consumers energy just really pissed me off
[23:20] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[23:20] <derekv> seeing if I can switch
[23:26] <derekv>  well this is about the least worst time to lose my gas