[05:48]  * Kilos waves to the early birds
[05:48] <Kilos> yo nuvolari 
[05:50] <Kilos> he has family visiting so kinda busy after work
[05:56] <superfly> Hi Kilos
[05:56] <Kilos> morning superfly all good with travelling today?
[05:57] <superfly> So far so good, 3 stations to got.
[05:58] <Kilos> yay
[05:58] <superfly> *go
[05:58] <Kilos> i gotta be off a while so i can put sim in fone and give vodacom gears
[05:59] <Kilos> 1 bar signal for 3rd day again , but full on fone
[05:59] <Kilos> grrr
[05:59] <superfly> OK, later oom Kilos
[05:59] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[05:59] <Kilos> go safe
[06:00] <superfly> Kilos: I thought you were leaving
[06:01] <Kilos> sitting on hands till they warm then will disconnect
[06:01] <Kilos> hehe
[06:01] <superfly> ah, OK. One last stop before Cape Town
[06:03] <Kilos> bbl
[06:05] <superfly> Morning SmilyBorg
[06:05] <SmilyBorg> Morning :-)
[06:06] <superfly> Kilos: now I leave. See ya in a few
[06:24] <Symmetria> sup
[06:25] <inetpro> good morning
[06:27] <Symmetria> I saw a guy this morning be about as stupid as I have seen in a while
[06:27] <Symmetria> he decided to deice his windscreen by pouring boiling water on it
[06:27] <Symmetria> :P
[06:27] <Symmetria> would love to know how he is gonna explain to his insurance the cracks in it now
[06:29] <inetpro> Symmetria: eish!
[06:29] <Symmetria> inetpro hahahaha he's an idiot :p 
[06:29] <Symmetria> and it was a merc ML63 windscreen
[06:29] <Symmetria> thats gonna be expensive
[06:40] <Kilos> yo superfly signal back here again
[06:40] <Kilos> yay
[06:40] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg and other guys
[06:43] <SmilyBorg> Hey there
[07:16] <Kilos> ai
[07:20] <Kilos> back to poor signal after power cut
[07:20] <Kilos> morning sflr 
[07:20] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:20] <superfly> yo sflr
[07:20] <sflr> good morning!
[07:23] <sflr> superfly: I'm going to delete spam posts on the site. eg: http://ubuntu-za.org/users/opipoi/disks/nargis-girl-born-monday-village-uttar-pradesh
[07:23] <superfly> sflr: just do it, don't bother telling me :-P
[07:24] <Kilos> hehe
[07:25] <sflr> ok.lol. nuke time!
[07:39] <superfly> ohey nlsthzn!
[07:41] <nlsthzn> morning superfly :)
[07:41] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn 
[07:41] <nlsthzn> morning uncle Kilos 
[07:46] <nlsthzn> site is looking good :) 
[07:47] <Kilos> nlsthzn, have you met sflr 
[07:48] <nlsthzn> nope
[07:48] <Kilos> sflr, meet nlsthzn 
[07:48] <nlsthzn> :p
[07:48] <superfly> anyone in here know any German?
[07:48] <Kilos> ah you missed the last meeting then
[07:48] <sflr> hi nlsthzn!
[07:48] <nlsthzn> Kilos, yes I did... sorry
[07:48] <nlsthzn> hi sflr :)
[07:49] <nlsthzn> superfly, using duolingo to learn german but only started
[07:49] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you forgiven
[07:49] <sflr> superfly: what level of German? I know some
[07:49] <superfly> I need to translate something
[07:49] <nlsthzn> google translate?
[07:49] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[07:49] <Kilos> surely he is at work by now
[07:50] <superfly> nlsthzn: that's an idea
[07:51] <inetpro> Kilos: pong
[07:51] <superfly> inetpro: Don't you speak a little German?
[07:52] <Kilos> inetpro, morning can you help fly
[07:52] <Kilos> much nicer when a friend helps
[07:52] <Kilos> he speaks lotsa german
[07:53] <inetpro> superfly: hmm... how long?
[07:53] <superfly> inetpro: I just want to say, "Download via BitTorrent"
[07:53] <Kerbero> o
[07:53] <Kerbero> that is difficult to translate
[07:54] <Kerbero> i would just leave it as is
[07:54] <superfly> Google Translave gives me "Download über BitTorrent"
[07:54] <Kerbero> hmm
[07:54] <Kerbero> i woul rather make it mit
[07:54] <superfly> I originally thought of "Download mit BitTorrent"
[07:54] <superfly> heh
[07:54] <superfly> thanks Kerbero
[07:54] <Kerbero> but my grammer is crap
[07:54] <inetpro> Download über BitTorrent  sounds right
[07:55] <inetpro> eg. Die auf dem LinuxTag verteilte Knoppix-Version 4.0 steht nun zum Download über BitTorrent zur Verfügung.
[07:55] <inetpro> or alle bekannteren Linuxdistributionen und FreeBSD über BitTorrent erhältlich
[07:55] <Kilos> uber=over right?
[07:55] <Kerbero> yes
[07:55] <inetpro> Kilos: that's right
[07:56] <superfly> inetpro: thanks
[07:56] <Kilos> ty inetpro sorry to wake you so early
[07:56] <inetpro> superfly: np
[07:56]  * Kilos ducks
[07:56]  * inetpro stretches his self
[07:56] <inetpro> Kilos: what was that?
[07:57] <inetpro> :-)
[07:57] <Kilos> hehe
[08:07] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you are forgiven
[08:07] <Kilos> dont make a habit of it
[08:08] <nlsthzn> thx
[08:08] <Kilos> how do we know when you are at work or home
[08:09] <Kilos> are you using that bouncer thingie
[08:10] <Kilos> hi smile 
[08:10] <smile> hi :)
[08:10] <smile> Kilos: so early awake :o
[08:10] <smile> Kilos: you have to sleep :)
[08:10] <nlsthzn> Kilos, no real way to know until I say so I guess
[08:10] <nlsthzn> but I am off for a bit now...
[08:11] <Kilos> lol already foned mobile provider and complained about connection and had a 30 min power cut
[08:11] <Kilos> ok neil
[08:11] <smile> Kilos: lol :p
[08:35]  * inetpro just created the G+ page for ubuntu-za
[08:35] <inetpro> at https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/112877206374340387802/112877206374340387802/posts
[08:35] <inetpro> sflr, superfly: I've added you guys as managers
[08:35] <sflr> thanks inetpro, got the invite! will update the page later.
[08:36] <nlsthzn> So much social media... so little time
[08:36] <inetpro> thought it could be handy with the new events launched on G+ yesterday
[08:38] <Kilos> well done inetpro we are growing
[08:38] <Kilos> spreading our wings
[08:40]  * nlsthzn will be going to the next UAE LoCo meeting... seems we are a bit leaderless at the moment and I have been called up to help get the ship sailing in the right direction...
[08:40] <sflr> I was actually thinking about last night to have a G+ page when I was fiddling with webmaster tools. there is an option to add +1 widget but requires G+ page
[08:40] <Kilos> yeah carry the flag high nlsthzn 
[08:41] <sflr> inetpro: anything interesting on the new events?
[08:41] <sflr> good luck nlsthzn! make sure you dont sail around Somalia :)
[08:42] <Kilos> haha
[08:42] <nlsthzn> that would be taking the long way :)
[08:43] <inetpro> sflr: I'm not sure how useful it is yet, am just trying to check it out now
[08:49] <nlsthzn> well... added ubuntu-za G+ and Twitter... events are already annoying me :/
[08:50] <Kilos> lol
[08:51] <Kilos> the twitter ubuntuza is only for ubuntu-za specific messages nlsthzn so kinda quiet
[08:51] <nlsthzn> Kilos, that is a good thing :)
[08:51] <Kilos> yeah
[08:53] <inetpro> hmm... I think the proper link is at https://plus.google.com/u/0/112877206374340387802/posts
[08:54] <inetpro> nlsthzn: I noticed that it could be annoying 
[08:54] <inetpro> but I guess it's mainly because everyone is trying it out now
[08:55] <inetpro> and they'll probably change things again 
[08:55] <nlsthzn> true... but I can imagine peeps with lots of people in circles are going to suffer for it :p
[09:00] <inetpro> oops, I put the wrong date
[09:02] <sflr> nice invite... picnic in the park? haha
[09:07] <inetpro> sflr: those themes are cool but I'd say they should have an option to just disable it
[09:08] <inetpro> anyways, back to some work
[09:08]  * inetpro bbl
[09:08] <Kilos> k
[10:00] <inetpro> I must say there's one thing I like about the google events thing
[10:01] <inetpro> it seems to me you can now easily manage invites even to people without a google account
[10:02] <Kilos> hehe
[10:07] <sflr> inetpro: i changed the picnic photo. hehe
[10:07] <smile> bye :)
[10:07] <Kilos> cheers smile
[10:10] <inetpro> sflr: I noticed :-)
[10:18] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[10:25] <sflr> ok, will try to source some Ubuntu kind of design. hack it together from an UH party :)
[10:29] <Kilos> yo kodez 
[10:29] <Kilos> sflr, dont you like the one at twitter?
[10:29] <kodez> hi Kilos, how are you?
[10:30] <Kilos> well ty kodez and you?
[10:30] <Kilos> or you want a big pic sflr 
[10:31] <kodez> i am better than yesterday, thanks for asking. also I am enjoying using Lubuntu for the first time
[10:31] <Kilos> thats good
[10:34] <sflr> Kilos: it needs a banner size big picture. small avatar wont do it.
[10:37] <Kilos> aw maia will have that
[10:37] <Kilos> and those that helped with release parties and uh's
[10:37] <Kilos> maybe the fly knows where they are online
[10:40] <Kilos> inetpro, did you shrink the avatar for me or was it tiny to start with
[10:41] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[10:42] <psydroid> I have to go now, see you later today or this week
[10:42] <plustwo> hi all o/
[10:42] <Kilos> ok
[10:42] <psydroid> hi plustwo
[10:42] <Kilos> go well psydroid 
[10:42] <Kilos> yo plustwo 
[10:42] <plustwo> psydroid Kilos o/
[10:43] <psydroid> Kilos, I'm going to hitch-hike to Denmark and Poland after that, will not be online much :)
[10:43] <inetpro> Kilos: shrink the avatar?
[10:43] <psydroid> see you
[10:43] <Kilos> inetpro, the one you gave me for twitter
[10:43] <Kilos> enjoy psydroid 
[10:44] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh, no it was like that
[10:44] <psydroid> thanks
[10:44] <inetpro> I just quickly hacked a bigger one together on g+ earlier this morning
[10:45] <inetpro> G+ wants it to be 250x250
[10:45] <inetpro> but for the events it needs to be wider
[10:46] <inetpro> sflr: what are you thinking of using?
[10:49] <Kilos> do you know where maia put them online inetpro i have a faint recolection of something like that
[10:49] <Kilos> voda just foned from capetown and said they will sent local guy out to my tower
[10:49] <inetpro> Kilos: logos?
[10:49] <sflr> inetpro: i saw some pictures from a launch party in GP. somewhere in a restaurant with laptops. I try to find it again. then just cut a strip from there and make it look nice. slap the logo on it too.
[10:50] <inetpro> sounds cool
[10:50] <Kilos> ?
[10:50] <inetpro> Kilos: "do you know where maia put them online..."
[10:51] <inetpro> what are you talking about?
[10:52] <Kilos> oh when the monkey or someone wanted some for uh's im sure the idea was to place them nonline to be used by whoever needed them
[10:52] <Kilos> banner pics etc methinks they were
[10:52] <inetpro> they should be in the monthly reports
[10:53] <inetpro> but no banner pics that I know of
[10:53] <Kilos> ah ty gussie
[10:53] <Kilos> i get things crossed at times
[10:53] <inetpro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/TeamReports
[10:54] <sflr> Kilos: I will make the banners, I just need photos :)
[10:54] <Kilos> are you inna hurry sflr ?
[10:55] <Kilos> i can mail maia and ask
[10:55] <Kilos> she just kinda busy at the mo methinks
[10:55] <sflr> not in a hurry Kilos, its a nice to have :) I might have time over the weekend to do it
[10:55] <Kilos> cool that gives us some time
[10:57] <inetpro> sflr: team reports are reflected at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports
[10:58] <inetpro> maia's blog: http://my-ubuntu-day.blogspot.com/
[10:59] <sflr> yeah, i was thinking about those cake pix ;)
[10:59] <Kilos> hehe always tummy kicks in
[11:00] <Kilos> will let you know when she answers mail
[11:01] <sflr> do we have Ubuntu stickers? my laptop says it needs one ;)
[11:01] <Kilos> lol yeah maia did that too
[11:01] <Kilos> hi que
[11:01] <Kilos> queery, 
[11:02] <queery> hi oom Kilos
[11:03] <Kilos> i didnt crash your pc i see
[11:03] <Kilos> whew
[11:13] <Kerbero[dsp]> queery!
[11:14] <Kerbero[dsp]> goeiedag
[11:19] <queery> hi Kerbero[dsp]
[11:39] <Kilos> http://spreadubuntu.org/
[11:39] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Materials
[11:39] <Kilos> sflr, ^^
[12:00] <sflr> thanks Kilos 
[12:08] <Kilos> yw its from maia
[12:11] <sflr> thanks maia
[12:13] <Kilos> Maaz, ubuntu materials
[12:13] <Maaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Materials  http://spreadubuntu.org/
[12:22] <Kilos> afternoon theblaze 
[12:23] <theblaze> hi kilos
[12:25] <sflr> inetpro I added the G+ badge to the site. under the twitter feed. 
[12:27] <HawkiesZA> Evening folks
[12:27] <Kilos> lo HawkiesZA 
[12:28] <HawkiesZA> Anyone here know all sorts of things about Clonezilla?
[12:28] <HawkiesZA> lo Kilos
[12:30] <sflr> HawkiesZA: I know CZ, but never used it :|
[12:31] <HawkiesZA> I'm trying to clone one laptop to another
[12:31] <HawkiesZA> Got the source set up, but the target hates me
[12:33] <HawkiesZA> Apparently it's struggling to create the partition table on the target
[12:34] <sflr> did you format the target?
[12:35] <sflr> or you doing the Live one?
[12:35] <HawkiesZA> Live
[12:35]  * tumbleweed likes clonezilla live. esp netbooted
[12:36] <sflr> HawkiesZA: http://sourceforge.net/projects/clonezilla/forums/forum/663168/topic/4657187
[12:37] <sflr> deleting MRB they say
[12:37] <sflr> MBR
[12:37] <inetpro> sflr: very nice!
[12:38] <HawkiesZA> ok....
[12:39] <sflr> inetpro: I would put the G+ where the frogfoot logo is, but not sure if that would be politically correct :)
[12:43] <HawkiesZA> sflr: Still no luck :/
[12:46] <inetpro> sflr: that's probably superfly's ISP?
[12:46] <inetpro> but I agree it would be nice if we could make that more prominently visible at the top
[12:46] <superfly> sflr: yeah, I had the logo lower down, and it was "requested" that it be moved up
[12:49] <sflr> thats what I thought superfly. logo stays then :)
[12:51] <sflr> inetpro: I can move the search box into the side bar and line up the social media icons on top 
[12:51] <inetpro> hmm...
[12:52] <inetpro> just try it and let's see what it looks like
[12:53] <inetpro> you can always change it back
[12:55] <sflr> I checked the search feature was not used lately, except 2 XSS tries
[12:56] <inetpro> well I guess we don't have that much to search anyway
[13:09] <sflr> inetpro: removed search from top and added it to the sidebar. adding the icons might be tricky. superfly will need to modify the site template, unless there is an easier way :)
[13:11]  * Kilos listens
[13:12] <Kilos> is the twet rightr inetpro 
[13:12] <Kilos> eish tweet
[13:13] <inetpro> Kilos: eh, you're welcome
[13:14] <Kilos> dunno if i should thank the guy
[13:14] <Kilos> hehe
[13:47] <Kilos> wb confluency Hodgestar 
[14:44] <Kilos> go home safe guys
[14:47] <smile4ever> bye :)
[14:49] <sflr> superfly: where can I edit the text on top of this page? http://ubuntu-za.org/get-ubuntu    "Type in a comma separated list of areas ..."
[15:09] <superfly> sflr: uh, in the vocabulary settings?
[15:09] <superfly> sflr: I can't remember where
[15:11] <sflr> ok, looked around. i will dig more. thanks
[15:17] <Kilos> grrr power again
[15:19] <superfly> Hi Kilos
[15:19] <Kilos> hi superfly all good there?
[15:19] <superfly> so far so good.
[15:19] <Kilos> yay
[15:52] <magespawn> evening all
[15:53] <sflr> hi
[15:53] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[15:53] <Kilos> yo sflr you still here?
[15:53] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:13] <superfly> hi magespawn
[16:45] <magespawn> hey superfly
[17:01] <magespawn> you know superfly, I still can't get you on google +
[17:02] <superfly> magespawn: weird
[17:03] <superfly> magespawn: on your phone again, or at a PC?
[17:03] <magespawn> using my flyer as a hot spot but linking through my laptop
[17:04] <superfly> Got Kopete or Pidgin or something
[17:04] <magespawn> i can find you no problem but no connection through gtalk
[17:04] <magespawn> have pidgin
[17:05] <superfly> can you set up your account in Pidgin?
[17:06] <magespawn> will do, just a sec
[17:07] <Kilos> superfly, can one use pidgin for g+
[17:08] <superfly> Kilos: no, just for Google Talk
[17:09] <Kilos> lol oh ty. 
[17:09] <magespawn> this is on windows though
[17:09] <magespawn> can see how to add an account
[17:09] <magespawn> cannot
[17:09] <Kilos> pidgin is pidgin
[17:09] <Kilos> accounts
[17:10] <Kilos> mage maybe it has minimised your buddy list
[17:10] <magespawn> yup that was it 
[17:13] <Kilos> stupid OS
[17:13] <magespawn> there we go superfly
[17:13] <magespawn> stupid user in this case
[17:14] <Kilos> lol
[17:14] <superfly> magespawn: I get an uber long and weird link that just takes me to a "help" page
[17:15] <magespawn> maybe i am not setting it up right
[17:15] <magespawn> what protocol should I use?
[17:16] <Kilos> for gtalk magespawn 
[17:16] <Kilos> xmpp
[17:16] <magespawn> thats what I thought
[17:18] <superfly> $%^#$%^#$^ Google
[17:18] <superfly> Your message could not be delivered: "ah, there we go!", Reason: ""
[17:18] <superfly> yeah, awesome. no reason
[17:18] <magespawn> lol
[17:19] <magespawn> i can message you, does not even come back with an error
[17:21] <Kilos> haha
[17:21] <magespawn> it does say that you are not online and that it is not authorised
[17:22] <superfly> magespawn: I get yours, but none of mine are going through
[17:22] <magespawn> ha
[17:23] <superfly> magespawn: right-click on my name in your list, and see if you can "re-request authorization"
[17:23] <magespawn> done that twice now
[17:24] <Kilos> reboot pc
[17:24] <Kilos> its windows
[17:24] <magespawn> have tried switching it off and on again?
[17:24] <superfly> magespawn: I've tried the same from here, do you notice anything different?
[17:24] <magespawn> nope
[17:25] <magespawn> something not working right somewhere.
[17:26] <Kilos> magespawn, try getting gtalk itself
[17:27] <Kilos> we battled with tara as well but i think it woke up after a reboot of the pc
[17:27] <magespawn> superfly you just left the group chat
[17:27] <superfly> magespawn: yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to get this all to work
[17:28] <magespawn> i did see you there but not as any sign on, just a random string of numbers
[17:29] <Kilos> hehe
[17:32] <Kilos> yo cryptichorizon 
[17:32] <superfly> magespawn: are you using something in particular to chat?
[17:33] <superfly> magespawn: I can see you online, and with video capabilities, apparently
[17:34] <magespawn> that might be my tablet, or my laptop. I am using tha laptop tethered through the wireless hotspot of the tablet
[17:34] <magespawn> skype?
[17:35] <superfly> I do
[17:35] <superfly> magespawn: my name and my surname as one word
[17:58] <Kilos> hi dLimit 
[17:59] <Kilos> queery, whats with the crazy nick?
[17:59] <queery> what crazy nick
[18:00] <Kilos> isnt that you cryptichorizon 
[18:00] <Kilos> queery, ^^
[18:03] <queery> oh haha no cryptichorizon is my boyfriend, he forgot to change the username field in xchat after I used it
[18:03] <queery> hehe
[18:03] <Kilos> lol though xchat was letting me down
[18:03] <Kilos> thought
[18:04] <queery> haha
[18:04] <queery> never
[18:04] <queery> hu?
[18:05] <Kilos> oh my chanserv left
[18:05] <queery> what the
[18:05] <magespawn> well hello then
[18:05] <Kilos> lo magespawn 
[18:05] <magespawn> upgrades maybe
[18:05] <Kilos> ChanServ, wb
[18:06] <Kilos> haha cant reply
[18:07] <queery> that was wierd
[18:07] <Kilos> yeah must been a netsplit
[18:07] <Kilos> or someone ddosing irc again
[18:08] <queery> no that's not what a netsplit looks like
[18:09] <queery> no they are concentrating the DDoSing on uganda for now
[18:09] <queery> cryptichorizon, it was uganda right
[18:11] <smile4a> bye :)
[18:11] <Kilos> cheers smile
[18:11] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:12] <smile4a> Kilos: you too :D
[18:15] <cryptichorizon> yes it was Uganda
[18:17] <queery> hehe did steeds so bok
[18:18] <queery> nope
[18:19] <queery> (~queery@dsl-185-69-221.dynamic.wa.co.za)
[18:37] <Kilos> magespawn, maybe you need pidgin-openpgp installed
[18:37] <Kilos> dunno if that will work on windows
[18:38] <magespawn> maybe, will have look, when I get a break
[18:38] <Kilos> dont break anything you might still need hey
[18:38] <Kilos> hehe
[18:42] <magespawn> nah everything can be fixed
[18:42] <magespawn> just do back ups
[19:00] <Kilos> hmmm cant copete do mxit?
[19:00] <Kilos> kopete
[19:04] <nlsthzn> doubt ir
[19:04] <nlsthzn> *it
[19:04] <nlsthzn> only pidgin I ever saw that could
[19:04] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn you missed lots
[19:05] <Kilos> i have quassel and konversation andchoqok
[19:05] <Kilos> now kopete too
[19:06] <nlsthzn> going KDE uncle Kilos ?
[19:06] <Kilos> trying to see what the kde peeps find better 
[19:06] <Kilos> lol
[19:06] <nlsthzn> KDE is best when used as a whole
[19:06] <Kilos> all in maverick
[19:06] <nlsthzn> and choqok is the best twitter app out there IMO
[19:06] <Kilos> yeah when i get a cd i will give it a go
[19:06] <nlsthzn> get KDE 4.6 or later...
[19:06] <nlsthzn> really worth it
[19:07] <Kilos> do you use kde
[19:08] <nlsthzn> try it every now and again
[19:08] <nlsthzn> always back to Unity
[19:08] <Kilos> haha
[19:09] <nlsthzn> Just a few things that I don't like about KDE... but it is very good
[19:14] <magespawn> i like it and some of the programs i use only work on it.
[19:14] <magespawn> or work bettere on it
[19:14] <magespawn> better
[19:15] <magespawn> gc coffee on
[19:15]  * gc flips the salt-timer
[19:15] <Kilos> magespawn, put kopete on your windows and try jabber then
[19:15] <Kilos> hehe
[19:16] <magespawn> they do not say anything on their website about windows
[19:17] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:18] <magespawn> if i can get the source maybe we can compile a windows version
[19:19] <Kilos> no man pidgin must work
[19:19] <gc> Coffee's ready for magespawn!
[19:19] <Kilos> ian and debs use it on xp
[19:19] <magespawn> works for everybody except me and superfly
[19:20] <magespawn> i am on windows 7 so maybe thats the problem
[19:23] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[19:23] <Kilos> see youall morrow
[19:23] <magespawn> night kilos
[19:26] <magespawn> hah thats a good quit message
[19:35] <nlsthzn> :d
[19:44] <Symmetria> hrm
[19:44] <Symmetria> whos awake, I have a question
[19:44] <Symmetria> if you receive an email, from hostmaster@organization that clearly states a position and even ahs a ticket number in the subject line, would you consider that official communication
[19:48] <Kerbero> email is never official
[19:48] <Kerbero> but i guess i would
[19:49] <sflr> uhm maybe. but i would also look at the mail header 
[19:49] <Symmetria> sflr oh, the email was very real
[19:50] <Symmetria> its just that the organization says "zomg, we hadnt made a decision yet, and that wasnt an official email"
[19:50] <Symmetria> they admit sending it, they just now say its not official communication
[19:50] <Symmetria> ?!
[19:50] <magespawn> thats odd
[19:50] <Kerbero> wow
[19:50] <Kerbero> thats not nice of them
[19:50] <sflr> ok, that is weird. what is an official email then? hand delivered?
[19:51] <Symmetria> magespawn LOL its because they tried to call my bluff on something, and when it didnt go the way they wanted
[19:51] <Symmetria> they suddenly needed to back peddle
[19:51] <Symmetria> infront of the community 
[19:51] <magespawn> i know for legal perposes as soon as you opened the email you are deemed to have read it
[19:51] <sflr> it has a reference number to. so it did happen, nobody can deny it. wasnt a newsletter.
[19:51] <magespawn> purposes
[19:52] <sflr> magespawn: does email preview count? :)
[19:53] <magespawn> I think it does if it changes the status of the email to read
[19:53] <Kerbero> so one should mark all email as unread after you have read it?
[19:53] <sflr> ok. so it depends on the status of the email
[19:54] <magespawn> once the email has been read i understood there is a record of that even if you change the status back again
[19:55] <magespawn> and the email server would have a record of it being delivered
[19:56] <Symmetria> hehe 
[19:56] <Symmetria> well, here is a funny story right
[19:56] <Symmetria> so a university requests IP space
[19:56] <sflr> yes, delivery can be proved, but reading not really
[19:56] <Symmetria> afrinic comes back and says, zomg, a university is a local internet registry and must pay local internet registry fees
[19:56] <magespawn> i think the law is trying to play catch up with electronic communication
[19:56] <Symmetria> we say, can someone please explain to us why a university is a local registry
[19:57] <sflr> superfly: can you please remove planet subdomain? http://planet.ubuntu-za.org/ thanks
[19:57] <Symmetria> afrinic say, because they have faculties and departments, so they are assigning space, the space isnt being used by themselves
[19:57] <Symmetria> we're like, bullshit, afrinic is like, no you're an lir, Im like, no we arent but if you wanna try make us one, Im gonna go to the community and implement policy that makes ALL universities end users 
[19:57] <superfly> sflr: I can't do that, I don't have access to DNS
[19:57] <Symmetria> they are like, errr, no you wont, you're an LIR
[19:57] <Symmetria> so I write the policy and send it out to the community
[19:57] <Symmetria> the community goes, andrew is right
[19:57] <superfly> sflr: is it doing the same thing as the wiki?
[19:57] <superfly> ohi kbmonkey
[19:57] <Symmetria> afrinic goes, oh shit, all our renuve is about to disappear
[19:57] <Symmetria> lol
[19:58] <Symmetria> and tries to withdraw
[19:58] <sflr> yes superfly, same thing
[19:58] <superfly> mkay, I'll add redirection
[19:58] <sflr> thats a serious issue Symmetria. no going back on that.
[19:58] <Symmetria> sflr it a serious issue when they try screw a university outta 6500 dollars a year
[19:59] <sflr> Symmetria: is it a new expense or university was paying for it already?
[20:00] <magespawn> sflr thats why delivery counts as being read, same as with registered post
[20:00] <superfly> sflr: how's that?
[20:01] <sflr> perfect superfly. thanks. i saw canonical managing dns.
[20:01] <superfly> np
[20:02] <Symmetria> its a new expense
[20:02] <sflr> magespawn: true. it can get tricky though with international webmail
[20:03] <magespawn> well like the fact that I do not have to RICA my gmail accounts either.
[20:03] <sflr> superfly: i moved the search from top to sidebar. if I want to add social media icons on top right, does it require an template change?
[20:03] <sflr> haha @ magespawn. you can imagine.
[20:03] <superfly> uh, ja
[20:04] <magespawn> sflr is this all for the ubuntu-za site?
[20:04] <sflr> Symmetria: what you gonna do about it then? $65k a year is serious investment
[20:04] <sflr> magespawn: yes, made some cosmetic changes last few days
[20:05] <sflr> *$6,5k
[20:05] <magespawn> cool will check it out
[20:05] <Symmetria> heh sflr we are forcing afrinic to classify the university as an end user
[20:05] <Symmetria> which cuts the cost down to a coupla hundred dollars a year 
[20:05] <Symmetria> we can do that through policy which is what we were doing
[20:05] <Symmetria> and afrinic suddenly shat itself when they realized we would actually be able to do it through policy
[20:05] <Symmetria> and there wasnt a damn thing they could do to stop it
[20:06] <magespawn> a friends husband works for afrinic
[20:06] <sflr> I wonder if they do the same with other universities
[20:06] <Symmetria> (afrinic works like this, anyone in the community can propose a policy, the policy then is tabled before the community, the community then votes on it, if there is consensus, the policy is passed and afrinic is bound by it)
[20:06] <Symmetria> which means that if you propose a policy, and then stack the meeting room at the next meeting full of your own people
[20:06] <superfly> sflr: done, you now have a block at the top called "Header"
[20:06] <Symmetria> you can pretty much pass anything
[20:07] <Symmetria> so, when they screw with academia like this, its simple, we pitch up at the next meeting with 100 people from all the different universities
[20:07] <Symmetria> and pass our own policy which changes the rules to how we want them
[20:07] <Symmetria> :p
[20:07] <Symmetria> LOL and there isnt a damn thing they can do to stop us doing that
[20:07] <magespawn> okay then nothing like a well balanced management then
[20:07] <sflr> superfly: thanks! I was just about to say I will make another plan. wow. you quick
[20:07] <Symmetria> magespawn those are the rules :) Im just using them 
[20:08] <magespawn> indeed, always play by the rules
[20:08] <sflr> haha Symmetria, be the change :) I hope they dont change those rules regarding the policies
[20:08] <superfly> sflr: *shrug* it's Drupal, those sorts of things are fairly quick and easy
[20:08] <Symmetria> sflr oh, afrinic has run up against me before and lost 
[20:08] <magespawn> when you know how
[20:08] <Symmetria> sflr lol, I never told you guys what happened at the last afrinic board elections?
[20:08]  * sflr is all ears
[20:09] <Kerbero> i'm listenign too
[20:09] <Symmetria> lol, the rules say that any member organization can either be at the meeting and vote for candidates, or they can appoint an official proxy
[20:09] <Symmetria> well? I know everyone....
[20:09] <magespawn> thats fairly normal
[20:09] <Symmetria> there were 97 votes cast int hat election...
[20:09] <Symmetria> I was holding 19 proxies :p
[20:09] <sflr> haha
[20:09] <Symmetria> magespawn whats not normal is that I was holding a 5th of the total vote :p
[20:09] <Symmetria> and if I'd actually tried I coulda doubled that number 
[20:10] <sflr> I think you are going in afrinic black books soon ;)
[20:10] <Symmetria> sflr nah, afrinic keeps trying to get me to run for the board 
[20:10] <sflr> yeah, but you follow the rules
[20:10] <Symmetria> they think having me on the board will shut me up
[20:10] <Symmetria> and let them control me
[20:10] <magespawn> did something similar for our school SGB
[20:10] <Symmetria> :P they obviously dont know me very well
[20:11] <sflr> yeah Symmetria you must stay on this side of the fence. hehe
[20:11] <Symmetria> sflr lol, even if I was on the board
[20:11] <sflr> superfly: when you pro is easy
[20:11] <Symmetria> I'd still kick and scream when they were being full of crap
[20:11] <sflr> Symmetria: if you get on the board, afrinic would change
[20:11] <Symmetria> sflr hell, I also stood up in tanzania at another afrinic meeting and told them their corporate governance was up to crap infront of 300 people
[20:12] <Symmetria> and demanded that they propose an annual report, budget and financials for the meeting, since the meeting constituted an AGM
[20:12] <Symmetria> lol, so this last meeting, they made DAMN sure in gambia they had the documents 
[20:12] <Symmetria> because they got REAMED over that
[20:12] <superfly> sflr: I'm gonna make some slight tweaks to the theme quickly
[20:13] <Symmetria> I just cant believe they would try and back peddle on an official email
[20:15] <sflr_> something happened
[20:15] <sflr_> I was saying Symmetria that I can't believe they still have the guts to pull sorry emails on you after all this
[20:15] <sflr_> superfly: I wait until you finish with the changes
[20:15] <superfly> sflr_: Done
[20:16] <magespawn> do we have a google+ account for ubuntu-za
[20:16] <sflr> ok, thanks
[20:17] <sflr> magespawn: https://plus.google.com/112877206374340387802
[20:17] <sflr> there's a link from the website too, +1!
[20:17] <magespawn> mm i saw that, that was why i asked.
[20:18] <sflr> inetpro created it today
[20:20]  * inetpro gets up to see who's banging on the door
[20:21] <inetpro> ahh... it's just sflr? 
[20:22] <sflr> was telling magespawn you created the G+ page today :)
[20:23] <magespawn> that animated picture for the meeting is pretty cool, looks almost like a live feed.
[20:24] <nlsthzn> +1
[20:39] <sflr> latest Cape Town weather update: rain started
[20:40] <Kerbero> o
[20:40] <Kerbero> then it will be here soon
[20:41] <Symmetria> lol
[20:41] <Symmetria> italy beat germany
[20:41] <Symmetria> thats funny
[20:42] <Kerbero> o, so that is what all the euro2012 facebook comments are about
[20:42] <sflr> yeah, finally Italy left the old players behind and now have a decent team
[20:42] <Kerbero> it all makes sense now
[20:44] <Symmetria> sflr, heh, balotelli though is a risk
[20:44] <Symmetria> always a huge risk
[20:44] <Symmetria> because if you get him on a good day, he's brilliant
[20:44] <Symmetria> get him on a bad day, he will throw a tantrum and get a red card
[20:44] <Squirm> evening
[20:45] <sflr> Symmetria, that's true, but it takes more than one player to make a good team :) I think Spain can start worrying now about the final. hehe
[20:46] <Symmetria> sflr heh, I dont think spain are terribly worried
[20:46] <sflr> hey Squirm 
[20:46] <Symmetria> spain have easily got the strongest national side in the world at the moment, other than MAYBE brazil
[20:47] <sflr> yeah lets see. Spain didnt shine in euro2012. i was hoping for germany to crack the whip
[20:47] <Symmetria> sflr besides, let italy have the glory this time around, come next tournament half their squad will have been banned for match fixing (again)
[20:47] <sflr> and Argentina. haha
[20:48] <sflr> too unpredictable. it was a good tourny though. on the olympics soon! haha. but before that tour de france. I think there is too much sports happening throughout the year. 
[20:49] <Kerbero> agreed
[20:49] <Kerbero> it is very bad for productivity
[20:49] <Kerbero> :P
[20:50] <sflr> Kerbero: is very bad for my sleep! lol
[20:50] <sflr> I was truly hoping tonight wont get to penalties :|
[20:51] <Kerbero> programming is bad for my time + bores me. but it is very good for the wallet
[20:51] <sflr> Kerbero: get somebody to do it for you? :)
[20:51] <Kerbero> i do
[20:52] <Kerbero> but sometimes there are stuff you have to do yourself
[20:52] <Kerbero> especially if the help is on holiday
[20:53] <sflr> true true
[20:56] <Banlam> sflr, but if you get someone else to do it you get less money
[20:57] <Kerbero> that too
[20:58] <sflr> Banlam: time is money, but money pays the bills. I agree with you, sometimes still good to outsource to talented youngsters
[20:58] <Kerbero> but some times getting money for work is not the most important
[20:58] <Banlam> like Kerbero and I?
[20:58] <Banlam> true
[20:58] <Banlam> it's mainly i don't trust other people to do things the way i want them done
[20:58] <Kerbero> the guy that contracted me to do this work is going to be vice rector now
[20:58] <Banlam> and i like knowing all aspects of somethign i'm working on
[20:59] <Kerbero> ie, the vice rector knows me -> good reference
[20:59] <Banlam> schoonwinkel?
[20:59] <Kerbero> jip
[20:59] <Banlam> what are you doing for him?
[20:59] <Kerbero> that books thing
[20:59] <Banlam> ?
[20:59] <Kerbero> o
[20:59] <sflr> will speak in 15 years time. haha
[20:59] <Kerbero> will tell you later
[21:00] <sflr> added Facebook 'like' on top of ubuntu-za.org. hope you 'Like' it :P
[21:00] <Banlam> :/ chrome and firefox are displaying something differnetly
[21:00] <Kerbero> *dislike*
[21:00] <Kerbero> where is my g+ ?
[21:01] <Kerbero> sflr: wouldn't it be nicer if the like is in the menu on the left?
[21:01] <Kerbero> less intrusive
[21:01] <sflr> Kerbero: is in the sidebar. 
[21:02] <sflr> Kerbero: I want to line up social media icons on top
[21:02] <Kerbero> ok
[21:02] <Kerbero> will comment again when it is doen
[21:02] <Kerbero> done
[21:02] <sflr> I want to put it where the ISP logo is, but not possible. and the sidebar is keeps growing :)
[21:02] <Kerbero> well to be blunt, there are a lot of shit in that side bar
[21:05] <sflr> exactly, want to clean up there. but please come with suggestions :)
[21:05] <Banlam> while people are critiqueing
[21:06] <Banlam> http://gcawood.com/joomla2/index.php
[21:06] <Banlam> comments welcome
[21:08] <Kerbero> sflr: scrap the search
[21:08] <Kerbero> user login one line in the menu rather than an entire block
[21:08] <sflr> ok Kerbero 
[21:09] <Kerbero> and i think the spaces between events are too big
[21:09] <Kerbero> one less newline should do
[21:09] <sflr> Banlam: AboutUs/ContactUs should be part of the menu
[21:09] <sflr> i see what you mean Kerbero 
[21:09] <Symmetria> holy crap? there are some screwed up people out there
[21:09] <Symmetria> A university is an LIR IMHO if it provides IP transit services to its students who are, in effect residential subscribers. 
[21:09] <Symmetria> Owen
[21:09] <Banlam> sflr, the horizontal menu?
[21:09] <Symmetria> ^^^ that dude is an idiot
[21:10] <Banlam> what mailing list is this on?
[21:10] <superfly> Banlam: your menu items look like they belong somewhere else ;-)
[21:10] <sflr> Banlam: yes, at the end of horizontal menu. 
[21:10] <Banlam> superfly, I don't understand?
[21:11] <sflr> Symmetria: is that the best they could come up with? haha
[21:11] <Banlam> the ones on the left?
[21:11] <superfly> Banlam: they look out of place... the rest of the site is kinda plain and boring, and then the menu items look like they come from some web 2.0 menu item generator
[21:11] <superfly> Banlam: and on top
[21:12] <superfly> though the ones on top don't look that bad because they're all linked together
[21:12] <Banlam> ok, i understand what you're saying
[21:12]  * Kerbero is scared to link his heavily used website here
[21:13] <Kerbero> Banlam: i don't like it that all your headings differ
[21:13] <Kerbero> same font, same size, same colour would look better imho
[21:13] <Banlam> Kerbero, in the article?
[21:13] <Banlam> that contents jsut for testing pirposes
[21:13] <Kerbero> jip
[21:13] <Kerbero> ok
[21:14] <Kerbero> o, and you look stuckup in that photo
[21:14] <Kerbero> use a different one
[21:14] <Banlam> lol
[21:14] <Banlam> not me
[21:14] <Kerbero> haha
[21:14] <Banlam> and again, it's just for testing
[21:14] <Kerbero> it does look like you
[21:15] <Banlam> kinda i guess
[21:15] <Banlam> but it's not a very good quality photo
[21:15] <Kerbero> nope
[21:15] <Banlam> so it kinda looks like lots of people
[21:15] <Kerbero> haha
[21:15] <nlsthzn> Good night
[21:15] <Banlam> it's content which i copied from their current site
[21:15] <Banlam> just so there's somethign there
[21:15] <Kerbero> ok
[21:16] <Kerbero> one of *those* projects...
[21:16] <sflr> this looks better > http://www.firedisaster.co.za/
[21:16] <Banlam> slfr, yeah i know
[21:16] <Banlam> that's what i'm tryign to work on
[21:16] <Banlam> along with what the client wants
[21:16] <Banlam> they wanted simpler
[21:16] <sflr> oh, i recognized now with the picture. haha
[21:16] <Banlam> haha
[21:16] <Banlam> and i'm workign kinda from their designs
[21:17] <superfly> 0_o what was that... my scroll lock and caps lock lights came on and my computer froze
[21:17] <Banlam> well mockups that they wanted
[21:17] <Banlam> lulz
[21:17] <Kerbero> i prefer the type of website designing i do
[21:17] <Banlam> backend
[21:18] <Kerbero> more backend and very simple very functional frontend
[21:18] <Kerbero> people don't expect much
[21:18] <superfly> Banlam: suggestion #1 don't use Joomla
[21:18] <Kerbero> so i give them just a little bit more
[21:18] <Banlam> superfly, lol
[21:18] <superfly> Banlam: suggestion #2 use Drupal
[21:18] <Banlam> what do you suggest instead?
[21:18] <Banlam> lolno
[21:18] <Kerbero> haha
[21:18] <Banlam> i know joomla too well compared to drupal
[21:19] <Banlam> i've used drupal a bit
[21:19] <sflr> http://www.firehouse.com/
[21:19] <Banlam> but haven't done anything beyond just a plain website
[21:19] <Kerbero> i don't like cms's
[21:19] <Kerbero> but for sites like these i suppose you need to use one
[21:19] <Banlam> yeah
[21:20] <superfly> Banlam: Drupal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joomla
[21:20] <Banlam> superfly, from what perspective?
[21:20] <superfly> Banlam: any and all
[21:20] <Banlam> :/
[21:20] <sflr> I like wordpress. it comes down to personal preference i think.
[21:21] <Banlam> i run my blog on wordpress, and i like it
[21:21] <Banlam> for somethign simple
[21:21] <sflr> the site needs to be functional but esthetic too :)
[21:21] <Banlam> aesthetics aren't CMS dependent though
[21:21] <superfly> Banlam: more secure, better architected, faster, less maintenance headaches
[21:21] <Kerbero> Banlam: don't get hacked :P
[21:21] <sflr> just keep a backup :P
[21:21] <Banlam> kerbero, don't hack me ;P
[21:22] <Banlam> yeah, i will
[21:22] <Kerbero> backup, get hacked, restore backup, get hacked again
[21:22] <superfly> (also why I use Drupal for blogs and not WordPress - WordPress is like a sieve when it comes to security, it's full of holes)
[21:22] <Kerbero> poor banlam
[21:22] <Banlam> mm
[21:22] <sflr> Banlam: wasnt your site about rally pictures?
[21:22] <Banlam> my WP hasn't been hacked since i did a complete overhaul in decemeber
[21:22] <Banlam> sflr, it isn't about that, but does include
[21:23] <sflr> I run many wordpress sites, didnt get hacked yet. its just matter of time I guess :)
[21:23] <Banlam> the header is a rally image
[21:23] <Banlam> my current WP doesn't have any extras
[21:23] <Banlam> besides akismet
[21:23] <sflr> Banlam: ok, saw some rally cars the other day :)
[21:23] <Banlam> and wordpress stats
[21:23] <Banlam> sflr, well i did a blog post on tuesday with a few pics from a rally this last weekend
[21:24] <Kerbero> interesting how nobody wants to hack weather API's
[21:24] <Banlam> kerbero, your site doesn't have any inputs though
[21:24] <Banlam> and the fact that your API is 100% your own doing
[21:24] <Kerbero> haha
[21:24] <Banlam> there's not a huge market
[21:24] <Kerbero> indeed
[21:24] <Banlam> rather find a WP flaw
[21:24] <sflr> weather API? hacked or not will still say the wrong info ;)
[21:24] <Banlam> and tehn write a script to hack every website with it
[21:25] <Banlam> "The trouble with weather forecasting is that it's right too often for us to ignore it and wrong too often for us to rely on it." - Patrick Young
[21:25] <Kerbero> sflr: measurements, not forecasts
[21:25] <sflr> what website is that?
[21:25] <Kerbero> no
[21:25] <Kerbero> don't tell him
[21:25] <sflr> oh ok
[21:25] <Kerbero> then i'll get comments about my bad layout :P
[21:25] <Banlam> kerbero why not?
[21:25] <Kerbero> weather.sun.ac.za
[21:25] <Banlam> it's not that bad
[21:25] <sflr> haha
[21:26] <Banlam> it get's the job don
[21:26] <Banlam> e
[21:26] <Kerbero> "it's too blue"
[21:27] <sflr> its good informative.
[21:27] <sflr> distinctive blocks, not all flow together
[21:27] <sflr> i like this: "You are visiting this website from somewhere on The Internet."
[21:27] <Kerbero> hahaha
[21:27] <Kerbero> yeah
[21:27] <Kerbero> "You are visiting from the Stellenbosch campus. IP = 146.232.220.112"
[21:28] <sflr> do you have your own weather station? or is it more like a mashup from different sources?
[21:28] <Kerbero> i have three different weather stations i pull the data from directly
[21:29] <Kerbero> then i do some averaging+failover
[21:29] <sflr> that's cool
[21:29] <Kerbero> the project is running for 4 years now
[21:29] <sflr> where is the Indoor place?
[21:29] <Kerbero> time to write some decent stat reporting pages
[21:29] <sflr> webcam is cool. I must look at it during the day. haha
[21:30] <Kerbero> yes you should
[21:30] <Kerbero> indoor measurements are useless
[21:30] <Banlam> webcam isn't great though :P
[21:30] <Banlam> even during the day
[21:30] <Kerbero> sflr: nice banner picture at the top he?
[21:30] <Banlam> :P
[21:31] <Banlam> my inside temperature at the momen goes up and down between 15 and 19
[21:32] <Kerbero> my room is 17.4
[21:32] <Banlam> haven't seen it out of that range in the past few weeks
[21:32] <Kerbero> 13.4 outside my window
[21:32] <Banlam> I'm at 15.9atm
[21:32] <Banlam> 13 outside, well at the airport
[21:32] <Banlam> i'm too lazy to put the thermometer out the window
[21:32] <Kerbero> ubuntu just told me i'm screwed
[21:33] <Banlam> oh?
[21:33] <sflr> its nice. did you take the panoramic pic?
[21:33] <Kerbero> and that i have to buy a 2k peice of hardware
[21:33] <Kerbero> http://www.jpmeijers.com/full_hdd.png
[21:33] <Kerbero> sflr: banlam did
[21:33] <sflr> wow, you must get into photography :)
[21:34]  * Banlam does it as a hobbt
[21:34] <Banlam> y
[21:35] <sflr> original: faklogo.jpg
[21:35] <Kerbero> hmm
[21:35] <Kerbero> no
[21:36] <Kerbero> that is the logo on the right
[21:36] <sflr> I know :) 
[21:37] <Kerbero> http://weather.sun.ac.za/sources/wolke.jpg
[21:37] <Kerbero> there we go
[21:37] <Kerbero> should have an hd one somewhere
[21:37] <sflr> the google maps show 4 stations
[21:37] <Kerbero> jip
[21:37] <Kerbero> read
[21:37] <Kerbero> and you will know
[21:37] <Kerbero> the middle one is not weather
[21:37] <Kerbero> well
[21:37] <Kerbero> not really
[21:38] <sflr> the image one?
[21:38] <sflr> that image is really beautiful
[21:39] <sflr> Sonbesie > sun radiation
[21:39] <Kerbero> yes
[21:39] <Kerbero> quite an expensive piece of hardware
[21:39] <Kerbero> few hundred k
[21:39] <Banlam> o.O
[21:39] <Banlam> universities have so much money
[21:40] <Banlam> but they're sooo stingy wiht how they give it out
[21:40] <Kerbero> well... their sponsors do
[21:40] <Kerbero> and it is meant for renewable energy research
[21:40] <sflr> does the solar graphs come from Sonbesie? weather.sun.ac.za/graphs/SolarGraphs.php
[21:40] <Kerbero> so there is more money
[21:40] <Kerbero> sflr: no
[21:40] <Kerbero> they are from the M&M station
[21:40] <sflr> ah, universities all the same :) at least you guys can play with expensive toys!
[21:41] <Kerbero> http://weather.sun.ac.za/graphs/SolarradToday.php
[21:41] <Kerbero> what would give a better graph
[21:41] <Kerbero> with both stations' values
[21:41] <Kerbero> max of only 500watt/m^2
[21:41] <Kerbero> that is low
[21:42] <Kerbero> in summer we get >1k
[21:42] <sflr> short days probably
[21:42] <Kerbero> sun is far away
[21:42] <sflr> very interesting. I must visit your site tomorrow again
[21:43] <Kerbero> you can download the data if you want
[21:43] <Kerbero> and draw your own graphs and/or stats
[21:43] <Kerbero> hmm
[21:43] <Kerbero> i should try and download everything again
[21:43] <Kerbero> last time i did it i killed the server
[21:43] <Kerbero> :(
[21:44] <sflr> haha. first I browse it :)
[21:44] <sflr> data must be huge if it goes back for years
[21:44] <Kerbero> Symmetria's old server was quite a beast 10 years back
[21:45] <Kerbero> but 10GB of memory is not that much anymore
[21:45] <Kerbero> sflr: it became huge when i started logging minutely rather that 10 minutely
[21:46] <sflr> yeah, 10GB really small these days
[21:46] <sflr> can you receive images from weather satellites?
[21:46] <Kerbero> yes
[21:46] <Kerbero> but i think the radio is broken
[21:46] <Kerbero> need to have a look at it
[21:47] <Kerbero> but time...
[21:47] <sflr> that's awesome. wanted to do something like that
[21:47] <sflr> I think if you want to hack a weather API, you need to start getting to the source, the satellite :)
[21:48] <Banlam> lol
[21:48] <Banlam> that would be an epic way to get into the system
[21:48] <Banlam> manipulatin the data the satelite receives :P
[21:48] <Kerbero> lol
[21:50] <sflr> everybody relies on the satellite data. nobody will know its 0wned
[21:51] <magespawn> Kerbero, I would take taht machine now though
[21:51] <magespawn> that
[21:52] <Kerbero> what do you need so much ram for?
[21:52] <sflr> ok guys, i'm outta here. thanks for the chat. and keep up the good work on the site :)
[21:52] <magespawn> agg no, I just like having big spec
[21:52] <Kerbero> haha
[21:52] <magespawn> like bragging rights
[21:52] <Kerbero> i have another server laying on top of this one
[21:53] <Kerbero> to which i want to migrate
[21:53] <Kerbero> 16GB ram
[21:53] <Banlam> magespawn sounds very similar to Kerbero 
[21:53] <Kerbero> the current one has a dualcore 2.8GHz (p4 series) cpu
[21:53] <Kerbero> ^ xeon
[21:53] <Kerbero> the new one is a generation newer
[21:53] <Kerbero> and >3GHz
[21:53] <Kerbero> so it should make everything a little snappier
[21:54] <Kerbero> BUT
[21:54] <Kerbero> those specs are nothing
[21:54] <Kerbero> the real nice specs is the hdd sie
[21:54] <Kerbero> size
[21:54] <Kerbero> which is also not THAT big these days
[21:55]  * Kerbero sees he's monologuing here
[21:55] <Banlam> conversation <
[21:56] <magespawn> i do not work on server machines unfortunately
[21:56] <Kerbero> magespawn: if you like nice specs, get yourself an invy bridge
[21:56] <Kerbero> *ivy
[21:56] <magespawn> just desktops that i have loaded server software on
[21:56] <Kerbero> those things are awesome
[21:56] <magespawn> money tends to be the problem
[21:56] <Kerbero> hehe
[21:57] <Kerbero> that's why i don't have one
[21:57] <Kerbero> but am stuck with 10y old servers
[21:57] <Kerbero> that i bought for next to nothing
[21:57] <magespawn> ahh well there we go then
[21:58] <Kerbero> hopefully my i5 ivy arrives on tuesday
[21:58] <magespawn> did have a chance to look at a sun X2100, but only briefly
[21:59] <Kerbero> sparc cpu?
[21:59] <Kerbero> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys9SfkBtjpw
[21:59] <Kerbero> my ears
[22:00] <magespawn> i am not sure, did not want to boot completly, bios could not detect the cpu fan
[22:00] <Kerbero> sounds almost as bad as the weather.sun one before i brought a sidecutter near it
[22:01] <magespawn> and when I did get it running the os was windows server 2003 I think, password locked and nobody could remember the password. and that so far is the end of it
[22:02] <Kerbero> x86 based
[22:02] <Kerbero> but ok, need to write a little bit of code
[22:02] <Kerbero> cheers
[22:02] <magespawn> cheers Kerbero
[22:03] <magespawn> good night all