=== meetingology` is now known as meetingology === Mkaysi_ is now known as Mkaysi === myrtti is now known as Myrtti === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson === LJL is now known as LjL === elky` is now known as elky === myrtti is now known as Myrtti === ayan-afk is now known as ayan === Cees_ is now known as Cees [14:56] * skaet waves [14:56] hi! [14:56] hiya mdeslaur :) [14:57] \0 [14:59] hi! [14:59] hello [15:00] :) [15:00] looks like quorum has emerged. :) [15:00] #startmeeting [15:00] Meeting started Fri Jun 29 15:00:47 2012 UTC. The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:01] Agenda (and minute location): [15:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-06-29 [15:01] . [15:01] Upcoming dates: [15:01] 2012/07/05 - DebianImportFreeze [15:01] 2012/07/23 - Alpha 3 image candidates start [15:01] 2012/07/26 - Alpha 3 [15:01] . [15:01] Work Items: [15:01] 2012/06/29 - 2782 (was 2926 last week): BEHIND trendline for this point. [15:01] Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks. [15:01] . [15:01] Bugs: [15:01] Quantal: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html [15:01] 12.04.1:http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html [15:01] . [15:01] A2 Testing Report: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/QuantalAlpha2TestReport [15:01] Thank you to all the testers, and jibel for coordinating, and another excellent job in highlighting the key issues in a timely fashion. :) [15:01] . [15:01] Pending action items: [15:01] [skaet] - SRU team vanguards: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/#Publishing - DONE [15:01] [seb128] - summarize on ubuntu-release mail list what desktop wants for 12.04.1 (201206 15:15:33:13) - ? [15:01] [skaet] - start off a blueprint for -r release for people to record ideas and thoughts on logical steps for making progress to the long term goal. (skaet, 20120622 16:25:27) - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-r-future-release-brainstorming - DONE [15:01] . [15:01] Weekly Status Received: [15:01] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001462.html -hw cert: brendand [15:01] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001465.html- security: mdeslaurs [15:02] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001467.html - desktop: seb128 [15:02] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001468.html - kernel: ogasawara [15:02] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001469.html - community testing: balloons [15:02] ** 2100 UTC - due time ^ Thank you to those who submitted on time ** [15:02] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001471.html - lubuntu: gilir [15:02] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001472.html - server: arosales [15:02] ** Reminder, please get your team's summary in by 2100 UTC, so there's time to prep, take care of issues on the mail list, and keep the meeting short. [15:02] .. [15:03] #topic Questions and Comments. === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Questions and Comments. [15:03] hiya, any other team minutes available that I missed in my last pass? [15:03] hey [15:03] Reminder: DebianImportFreeze is next Thursday 7/5, after that all imports will need to be explicit. [15:04] Thank you to stgraber and balloons for the updates to the iso tracker, new features rolled out nice and smooth for A2 from my perspective. :) [15:04] sorry I assumed we had no meeting after alpha2 (as we didn't have one after a1 IIRC) ... anyway I'm here ;-) [15:04] Debian's freeze for Wheezy release is tomorrow, so the amount of new stuff from Debian should start to drop off in any case. [15:04] thanks seb128, with holidays coming up, and A2 being so smooth (overall), seemed prudent to have one before DebianImportFreeze [15:05] yeah, makes sense ;-) [15:05] General request: Leads please work through your alpha 2 work items, and for those items not accomplished, please retarget or postpone. Burn downs are showing us fallling behind where we wanted to be. [15:05] .. [15:05] anyone else have comments/questions before I start into my list? [15:05] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-June/001473.html - foundations: ogra [15:05] (sorry !) [15:06] thanks ogra_ :) [15:06] seb128, any update on the pending action item to post what desktop looks to land for 12.04.1? (did I miss it on the ubuntu-release list?) [15:08] sorry [15:08] skaet, I mentioned it last week in reply to my weekly report email [15:09] "I also had an action item to check what images the desktop team wants to support for the LTS .1 release: we will keep doing what we did for previous LTSes, and support the same set of images that for the release, including the DVD ones. " [15:09] skaet, ^ [15:09] thanks seb128. I'll mark it done then. :) [15:09] thanks [15:09] .. [15:09] brendand, do you have a prioritized list (ie. most to least important) of the bugs cert wants fixed for 12.04.1? is bug 1013843 the key blocker? [15:09] Launchpad bug 1013843 in casper (Ubuntu Quantal) "resolv.conf empty when doing PXE installations" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1013843 [15:10] skaet, as far as i know that's only in quantal [15:10] brendand, ok. :) [15:11] skaet, as for prioritization, i will need to discuss with ara. when would you like a list by - and how many bugs? 5? 10? [15:11] skaet, or all of them, just prioritized? [15:11] brendand, top 5 most impact to fix would be good, or a list in descending order of inpact, so we can get some focus. [15:12] possible to mail something out to ubuntu-release mail list by next week? [15:12] skaet, asap [15:12] ~/win 12 [15:13] :) ok, will add it to the actions. :) [15:13] .. [15:13] mdeslaurs, for those AA uploads, is there someone identified, or just waiting in queue? [15:13] skaet, about the 1013843 bug, i wanted to ask stgraber if he is blocked trying to reproduce it? [15:14] brendand: I'm not, just busy with other things [15:14] stgraber, ok. whatever resources you need to try and reproduce it, the guys in montreal can provide [15:15] ..? [15:15] brendand: I have a netboot setup at home so should be easy to reproduce locally (though the fixes I pushed in quantal were specifically to make it work ;)) [15:15] .. [15:16] mdeslaur, ^ (sorry about the typo on your nick) [15:16] skaet, tab completion is handy ;-) [15:17] yup. [15:17] skaet: jdstrand is identified, or he may sponsor sbeattie [15:18] coolio, just wanted to make sure wasn't going to linger over holidays/debconf/etc. :) [15:18] .. [15:19] seb128, does it make sense to ask balloons to get the new gtk's ally enablement tested by the community? Would be nice to get early feedback, and a chance to fix before we get to beta. [15:19] * skaet notes that balloons will need to be followed up by with email. [15:19] skaet, that would be great [15:20] skaet, balloons: check with TheMuso if you need details on what needs testing [15:20] skaet, balloons: a slightly more detailed email on the topic is on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2012-June/003868.html [15:21] seb128, ok, I'll put in a request and copy you and TheMuso on it. [15:21] thanks [15:21] .. [15:21] seb128, popey, when will the next unity, compiz drops land? [15:22] unity for quantal is being worked [15:22] next week if everything goes well [15:22] new compiz landed this week [15:22] oh hai, didnt realise there was a meeting right now [15:22] what seb128 says :) [15:23] we should have another compiz within 2 weeks with gsettings support (finger crossed) [15:23] quantal + nux should be testing monday, release tuesday [15:23] gsettings code is being worked, sam estimates to a good week of work so I count on 2 weeks for landing if that goes well [15:23] thanks seb128 [15:23] we're still waiting for upstream to merge the gles patches for arm [15:23] (compiz that is) [15:24] ogra_, that will be after gsettings, don't count before a month [15:24] .. [15:24] current compiz is built with gles support, which will not work on arm [15:24] ogra_, right, well they have 2 compiz maintainers and work for 5, there is only so much they can get done at the time [15:24] (that doesnt matter much though since we have no working drivers for any arm platform yet, waiting for TI as usual) [15:25] gsettings is first then they will do gles [15:25] .. [15:25] thanks seb128, popey, ogra_ . ok, that helps with setting the expectations. [15:25] seb128, i didnt mean to blame anyone or so :) just wanted to throw it in the meeting so people are aware and dont complain that their pandas dont show bling ;) [15:26] ogra_, my panda doesn't show screen atm, let's talk after bling later :p [15:26] seb128, if there would have been dailies today, these would have a fix for that ;) [15:26] .. [15:26] ogra_, yeah glad you brought it up, sounds like its going to get close to feature freeze then before its all working, which is a bit worrying. [15:26] .. [15:27] skaet, well, as i understand it, upstream expects that *all* plugins are ported to GLES before accepting the patch [15:27] linaros patch only ports the ones we use in ubuntu [15:27] .. [15:27] ogra_, yeah that could indeed make things *interesting* :P [15:27] right [15:28] that's being sorted, they will not block on that [15:28] still there is a bit of work needed [15:28] not much we can do about it though [15:28] and they go asked to finish gsettings first since blocks desktop updates [15:28] i.e part of GNOME is blocked on it [15:28] and that work is overdue (it was meant to land in oneiric) [15:28] well, as long as there is a chance it makes FF [15:28] that should be fine [15:29] if not, it would be good to know about that early enough so we can think of alternatives [15:29] as said it should be one extra week or max 2 to clear the gsettings stuff and the important bug fixes they are on [15:29] ok, that sounds fine [15:29] then it's gles, which hopefully with take 1 or 2 weeks [15:29] I will keep you guys updated [15:29] .. [15:29] ogra_, on the subject of worrying, who has the lead for java on arm? is there a good pointer to the plan for that part? (me may have missed it in her last pass) [15:29] thx [15:29] .. [15:30] skaet, hmm, usually thats doko, not sure, probably infinity is on it too nowadays [15:30] i can collect info on that for next week [15:31] ogra_, that would be appreciated. :) Thanks! [15:31] .. [15:31] * skaet looks around to see if anyone else has questions? [15:33] looks like that's it then for this week. [15:33] Next week I'll be on vacation, and pgraner will be hosting the meeting. [15:34] Thanks ogra_, arosales, mdeslaur, seb128, brendand, popey, stgraber, ScottK [15:34] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:34] Meeting ended Fri Jun 29 15:34:03 2012 UTC. [15:34] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-29-15.00.moin.txt [15:34] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-29-15.00.html [15:34] thanks! [15:34] thanks skaet! [15:34] thanks skaet [15:34] skaet, thanks, enjoy your vacs! [15:34] thanks skaet for chairing :-) === yofel_ is now known as yofel === davidm` is now known as davidm [21:04] #startmeeting [21:04] Meeting started Fri Jun 29 21:04:37 2012 UTC. The chair is ajmitch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [21:04] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [21:05] OK, arb agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Agenda [21:05] * stgraber waves [21:05] * highvoltage splashes [21:06] was looking over http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-05-25-21.09.log.html from the last meeting, there weren't any actions added aside from the UDS items [21:07] * wendar waves [21:07] yay, people :) [21:08] I'm really tired so sorry for my lack of enthusiasm :) [21:08] do we want to quickly go over the developer portal bugs, or just be happy that they're there & being looked at? :) [21:09] * ajmitch mostly wants to get people voting on submissions, fwiw :) [21:09] Ok, I'll catch up with the votes tomorrow. And also all the nice things dolbach has been talking about. [21:10] yeah, I've been talking with dholbach a bit & following what he's been doing with the apps branch & arb-lint [21:10] and also try to get some sense of how many competition apps there are and what I can do about it [21:10] apparantly there are 30+ for the competition [21:10] I expect some won't be packaged for /opt/extras.ubuntu.com [21:11] this sort of covers some of the UDS workitems, with the competition & the tools for reviewing [21:12] one thing that came up this week was whether ~ubuntu-dev should be added to the ~ubuntu-app-review-contributors team [21:12] thoughts? [21:14] sounds like it makes sense [21:14] the more the arb process is integrated in the rest of ubuntu, the better [21:14] (imho) [21:15] it'd allow any ubuntu developer to commit to the branches dholbach is importing, and let them comment & change state of apps on myapps [21:15] which I think is fine [21:15] assuming you find the branches useful [21:15] well, remember that ubuntu-app-review-contributors gets special access in MyApps [21:16] do we want to grant that to all ubuntu-devs? [21:16] right, that's what I'm asking [21:16] it seems like some kind of verification step makes sense [21:16] since changing the myapps state doesn't affect a whole lot unless they're rejected [21:17] I guess in that case they might as well just join #ubuntu-arb and ask to be added [21:17] (or mail or whatever) [21:17] I thought review contributors could do more than just change state? [21:18] what's the concern? that someone might do something malicious? [21:19] more concerned about accidental disruptive changes, from people who don't know the interface yet [21:19] it's still a little buggy [21:19] but, if they really only have access to comment and non-destructive state changes, then I have no concern [21:19] it is worth asking ubuntu-dev if they *want* to be added though [21:20] aren't there default notifications sent out to review contributors? [21:20] or, is that only direct to the arb mailing list, and not individual notifications? [21:20] that's what dholbach was checking, he said he hadn't received any [21:21] is that because they're going to ubuntu-app-review-board members? or to the mailing list? [21:21] to the mailing list [21:22] ok, limited access and not spamming ubuntu-devs are my only concerns [21:23] if that's all sorted, and ubuntu-dev wants to be added, I'm fine with it [21:23] alright [21:23] sounds reasonable [21:23] +1 [21:23] another possibility is to just ask achuni to grant access to all ubuntu-dev, without joining up the launchpad teams [21:23] it's a bit hard to ask a team that encompasses everyone with upload rights, ~ubuntu-dev is often added to other teams [21:24] that could work [21:24] * ajmitch just wants more people reviewing [21:24] yeah, making that as easy as possible is a good idea [21:25] though, there something neat about being granted priviledges when you join a team :) [21:25] ideally we'd have some active arb helpers who could then go on to the arb team (election, appointment, whatever) & vote on apps [21:26] the term length is indefinite in LP for some reason, but I know we all won't want to do this forever :) [21:29] ok, that vaguely covers the recruiting agenda item from last month [21:30] * ajmitch isn't sure if any of us have managed to set aside a regular reviewing time lately, so will skip that :) [21:30] #topic General state of the ARB queue === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: General state of the ARB queue [21:30] ajmitch: hmmm... we all had term expirations last I checked... [21:30] I'm worried that applications are getting lost in the voting process [21:30] wendar: I checked the other day, we no longer do [21:31] ajmitch: how odd. I know mine's coming up soon [21:31] https://launchpad.net/~app-review-board/+members shows no expiry dates [21:32] ajmitch: yup, you're right [21:32] ajmitch: well, it's 2 years after start anyway [21:32] it's a life sentence :) [21:32] oh dear [21:33] so, 3 of us are out this September [21:33] but, I don't think we should wait until then to add new people [21:33] no, nominally there are 7 on the board, but a couple haven't been heard from for quite some time [21:33] really, I'd be happy to treat it as more of a promotion process [21:33] so would I [21:34] we'd still need to do the poll of all ubuntu-devs [21:34] but, it could be on a one-off basis [21:34] & not require adjusting quorum for votes on apps, even universe just requred 2 +1s from MOTUs for new apps [21:34] yeah, quorum is a fixed number, shouldn't vary by the size of the board [21:35] (it already is that way, so no change needed) [21:35] we've struggled to get 3 votes lately, I know everyone's been busy (myself included) [21:35] ajmitch: yes, I'm thinking I may switch to making voting my first priority [21:35] I came across an example of a lens that had the vote started about 7 weeks ago, but never got to +3 [21:35] especially if we get some regular arb contributors [21:36] what do you think of a trello board for being able to see the state of the apps being worked on & reviewed? too much duplication? [21:36] yeah I think it makes sense priorotising voting, the last thing we want is a backlog of perfectly good apps. [21:36] reviewing an app that's already been cleaned up takes a lot less time than cleaning up a new one [21:36] ajmitch: yeah, I wondered about using trello too [21:36] really, the arb's only role should need to be voting [21:37] ajmitch: it doesn't have to be a lot of work to maintain trello, if it's just the name and link for each app [21:37] we can all do package clean up if we want, but voting is the main task [21:37] wendar: right [21:37] trello is far, far simpler to maintain than a wiki page for app status :) [21:37] that way if you put an app up for vote, move it to the voting list in trello so we can see what to look at [21:37] * ajmitch uses it a bit at work now [21:38] and we can grant arb contributors full edit rights on trello [21:38] yep [21:38] and, any app submitter can quickly check the status of their app [21:38] stgraber, highvoltage: in favour of it? [21:38] yep [21:40] sounds good [21:40] #action ajmitch to set up trello board for tracking application votes & reviewer notes [21:40] ACTION: ajmitch to set up trello board for tracking application votes & reviewer notes [21:40] ok [21:40] * ajmitch thought this weekend was going to be completely full with work, but it seems next weekend will be [21:41] dholbach's suggested this apps sprint this week, I'll probably be lurking around #ubuntu-arb in the evenings as usual [21:42] not sure how crazy everyones' schedules are, but it'd be nice to get through a few apps for the competition over the next few days [21:42] Sunday is okay for me this week [21:42] and Wednesday is a holiday [21:43] lucky :) [21:43] but otherwise I've got a couple hours in the morning and a couple in the evening [21:43] so, I can do short snippets [21:43] any time is helpful [21:43] but, not big stuff [21:43] like, a whole app review usually takes me 4 hours [21:43] (with finding and fixing bugs) [21:43] I can understand that, it can be quite involved [21:44] we'll try & get some cleaned up apps for voting on [21:44] I know I've got a couple that are just about ready to go up for vote [21:44] they should take less time [21:44] so, I can focus on those for this week [21:44] and, on voting on the ones that are already up for vote [21:44] does trello let you assign a task to a person/ [21:45] ? [21:45] yes [21:45] just drag their icon onto the card [21:45] cool, that'll help [21:45] I'll probably need to get the email you use for trello so I can add people [21:45] like, when I'm working on an app, I can put it in an active channel, and then tag it with my user [21:46] because honestly, right now it'll take me 30minutes just to find all my active apps, check on their status, and figure out what the next step is for each :( [21:46] yeah, and you can leave comments on each card, it's fairly quick to use [21:47] okay, that'll help alot :) [21:48] with that, is there any other business to talk about? [21:48] apart from the meeting time & the next chair [21:50] sounds like not :) [21:50] ok :) [21:50] does this meeting time still work for people, and who volunteers to be the next chair? :) [21:53] * ajmitch will have to volunteer someone for it soon [21:53] highvoltage: you're next alphabetically, available for it next month? [21:53] ajmitch: ok [21:54] thanks [21:54] next meeting at 21:00UTC on 27 july [21:54] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [21:54] Meeting ended Fri Jun 29 21:54:59 2012 UTC. [21:54] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-29-21.04.moin.txt [21:54] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-29-21.04.html [21:55] thanks everyone [21:55] thanks ajmitch! [21:55] you can go & have your friday drinks now, if you haven't started already [21:55] thank ajmitch [21:55] hah, I've got to launch 2 features before friday drinks :) [21:56] (launching them after is not a good idea, we used to do that in the dot-com days ;) [21:56] wendar: ouch! good luck :) [21:56] * ajmitch was going to be spending all day today doing work, but that's deferred thankfully :) [21:56] ajmitch: happy Saturday :) [21:57] heh, thanks