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popeymng06:54
Azelphurpfft morning, I havn't slept yet06:55
DJonesMorning07:07
diploMorning all07:11
dwatkinsthat's it, the apocalypse has begun - Scotland will be underwater in a day.07:48
popeyYay! Maybe we'll stop hearing them bleat on about devolution :)07:49
dwatkinsI wouldn't complain if that quietly disappeared, popey07:49
dwatkinsIt makes no sense to me, why peel-off as a separate country when you don't have many resources aside from oil and tourism...07:50
dwatkinsanyhoo, phone rings07:50
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dwatkins...and it was a wrong number07:50
dwatkinssometimes I get calls from people in switzerland wondering where their order of whiskey has gotten to, as the customer services number is similar to our number for some alcohol delivery company.07:51
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)07:55
DJonesHow well do Epson printers work with ubuntu, just looking at getting an epson stylus sx535wd, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1919803&highlight=epson+stylus suggests it may not be 100% working08:03
matttmorning all08:15
* mattt fist pumps at the thought of friday08:16
jacobwmorning08:30
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bigcalmIs there any point in updating the kernel image on a bytemark vm is the vm doesn't use them?08:50
JamesTaitHappy Friday, folks! :-D08:53
bigcalmYay Friday \o/08:54
christelFRIDAY08:56
christel:D:D:D:DD:D08:56
bigcalmchristel: how are you my dear?08:57
christeli am WELL08:57
bigcalmReady to get wet?08:59
christelno :(08:59
diploheh09:02
* AlanBell has full confidence in christel's plumbing ability09:03
kvarleyAnybody know how I can configure this (https://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/ctrlwm?content=114565) to act like the snapping in Ubuntu 12.04? I can't seem to get it to work.09:07
bigcalmTime to tinker with the home server :)09:10
brobostigongood morning eveyrone.09:28
bigcalmI freaking rock!09:30
bigcalmWoo me!09:30
brobostigon\o/09:31
bigcalmbrobostigon: I agree09:31
pyshispythonbashI want to install debain09:31
pyshispythonbashdebian *09:31
brobostigonbigcalm: what happened then?09:31
pyshispythonbashI am going to use CDs09:31
pyshispythonbashBUT09:31
bigcalmpyshispythonbash: try a #debian channel?09:31
pyshispythonbashdo I use one CD?09:31
brobostigonpyshispythonbash: you should be fine, for the basics, with the first two.09:32
brobostigonif not just the first.09:32
diploAnyone recommend a way of checking that I am the only one logged in to a system09:32
AlanBellusers09:32
pyshispythonbashahhh ok09:32
brobostigoni thought that is what the users command was for?09:32
bigcalmbrobostigon: just managed to mount 2.5" drives into the 3.5" cradle bays of my HP Microserver09:33
brobostigonbigcalm: cool, :)09:33
ormiretpyshispythonbash: If you'll have an internet connection while installing the net_install disk is a nice small base09:33
bigcalmdiplo: w who users, those 3 will help09:33
diployeah not sure how I am getting that to work AlanBell / bigcalm09:33
pyshispythonbashwell I guess my wifi wont work09:33
diploI basically want to identify that my shell is the only one logged in09:33
diploIE09:33
diploUSER     TTY      FROM              LOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU WHAT09:34
diploroot     tty1     -                Wed15   24:49m  0.04s  0.04s -bash09:34
diploroot     pts/0    192.168.1.16     Thu10    0.00s  0.07s  0.01s w09:34
bigcalmdiplo: try these 3: w, who, users09:34
diploAll give same output, basically i am running a script and want to make sure no one is accessing cisam database09:34
diploHmm, maybe I just use lsof instead09:34
oimonwhowatch09:35
bigcalm<bigcalm> diplo: w who users, those 3 will help09:35
bigcalmOops09:35
diplo:)09:35
ormiretpyshispythonbash: It probably could be made to work, but you would have to do some configuring yourself, a wired connection is much easier.09:35
bigcalmhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1065731/09:35
diployeah they all output the same info, what if we had 2 users logged in with same name09:36
brobostigonormiret: if i remember, some wifi does work with the debian installer, but no closed blobs, and in kernel alone support.09:36
diploWant to check my login is the only one logged in ig uess09:36
diploScript something around id pid maybe ?09:36
bigcalmdiplo: how would you have 2 different users with the same login name?09:36
AlanBellthat is you logged in twice09:36
diploSo at our company we don't allow our customers root09:37
diploSo they login with our company name as a user for sysadmin work09:37
diploAs do I09:37
diploSo it could be them or me, and one of those users could be accessing a db file09:37
oimondiplo, it's the console09:37
oimonare you referrign to the tty1 line?09:38
diplonah that was just an example :)09:38
oimonoh09:38
AlanBellshared logins mean you don't know who is who09:38
diplo99% of the time they will be logged in remotely09:38
diploYep, not my fault :( legacy setup and I don't setup any of the systems09:38
diploI fix there issues09:38
AlanBellyeah, it is pretty common09:39
diploSo just trying to work out how to identify me before checking09:39
AlanBellpstree maybe09:39
diploso if(id = me) and who only includes me, run script09:39
AlanBellor lsof09:39
diploheh lsof was my next choice09:39
diplolsof | grep cisam09:39
diplo-bash: lsof: command not found09:39
diplo:(09:39
* diplo gets clearance to add more software09:39
AlanBelltry pstree09:40
oimonif you always login from the same ip , then grep it out of w results09:40
diploooh pstree is there, not used that before09:40
* diplo investigates09:41
diplooimon: Nice idea, but again most of the times this user will be logged in locally :(09:41
diploI'm basically trying to cover my behind that's all09:41
diploI was just going to do who -a and if more than 1 exit09:41
diploBut I thought I'd do it properly for once, as this company take so many shortcuts already :)09:42
diplobigcalm: On your proliant w/who etc list your currently logged in user ?09:43
diploAs on my desktop here I get from w 0 users and who nothing at all09:44
bigcalmdiplo: yes, I noticed that on my desktop I only got a result from w09:44
diploheh, see this is why my script has gone from 40-50 lines to 200+ now09:44
bigcalmhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1065744/09:44
diploGood way to learn python but I'm having to work to make it work on different OS's/versions09:45
diployeah exactly what I get09:45
diploAt least that makes me feel better09:45
bigcalmdiplo: so users are logging in via a gui rather than a terminal09:45
diplo( Sorry all for the diplo spam )09:45
diploI'll give a quick outlay of what we have maybe09:46
diplo?09:46
bigcalmo.O09:46
diploSo we basically have a legacy ( talking 20 years old ) system that we write text based that users log into, this connects them to a cisam database to read files, when doing backups if there are any users logged in doing anything with data the idx/dat files will get out of sync09:47
diploCisam as far as i can find gives no offical way of backing up09:47
diploSo basically I need to be 100% sure that no users are logged in to cover all bases09:47
diploI have a script that kills all users, but I hate running it09:48
AlanBellso give the backup system a different user name09:48
diploNow I did think of that, but hadn't thought about it since09:48
diploThat's a good idea and simple09:48
diploWhy didn't i just go for that before, trying to over engineer it09:49
AlanBellheh09:49
davmor2morning all09:54
bigcalmMorning davmor209:56
davmor2bigcalm: you got ICS yet?10:01
popeyhmmm10:02
bigcalmdavmor2: not when I checked this morning10:02
popeyanyone else noticed that a recent update to precise causes grub to appear where previously it didnt?10:02
bigcalmpopey: yes10:02
popeymy mum phoned because her computer has a box on the screen, and I just rebooted my server and its the same10:02
popeyno countdown, it just sits there10:02
AlanBelldavmor2: I haven't got it either, need to find someone who still uses windows to run kies to update it10:03
ali1234a box?10:03
bigcalmAlanBell: he means on the xoom10:03
ali1234on the screen?10:03
popeygrub menu10:03
ali1234ooo10:03
pyshispythonbashi didn't update10:04
ali1234ijust updated10:04
ali1234i'll just not reboot10:04
pyshispythonbashlol10:04
popeyplease do, to confirm it10:04
popey:)10:04
davmor2AlanBell: this is an over the air for the xoom10:04
pyshispythonbashtype sudo shutdown -r10:04
bigcalmpopey: I can confirm10:04
popeyalso, for some reason my server no longer gets an IP address10:04
popeyta10:05
bigcalmOh dear10:05
bigcalmmerlin?10:05
popeyno, home server10:05
bigcalmOh10:05
AlanBellscary stuff10:05
* AlanBell updates home server to see what happens10:06
pyshispythonbashlol10:06
ali1234if i put cyanogenmod on my phone, is it "good"?10:06
ali1234i mean is it usable without crashing every day?10:06
popeywas fine when i used it10:07
popeybut i guess it depends on the version, hardware, how much you fiddle with bits10:07
bigcalmali1234: I had CM 7.2 on my Nexus One and it improved it10:08
bigcalmWell, I started when it was v6, it's improved a lot and is very stable10:08
bigcalmI cannot say for CM 910:08
diploali1234: I've used 7.1 for months now and made massive improvements to my wildfire10:08
ali1234hmm10:08
diploAlso my work colleague was having battery issues with his Desire for months10:09
ali1234i'll try 9 and if it sucks put 7 on it10:09
diploEventually talked him into upgrading to cm7 and it fixed most of his issues10:09
ali1234i've got samsung rom now, and it crashes every day :(10:09
ali1234can't really be much worse10:09
ali1234hmm software center has some new bits on it?10:10
ali1234or it's just gone bananas?10:11
ali1234http://ubuntuone.com/2E0o82BujwgU5Gim95HPYp10:12
ali1234i figure the CM9 kernel should be mostly the same right?10:13
bigcalmHumm10:14
bigcalmMy desktop isn't getting an IP now10:14
bigcalmFudge10:14
AlanBellgosh10:14
bigcalmToday's upgrade was not a good one10:15
bigcalmI just had to set the connection manually10:15
gordhum, nexus 7 pricepoint is much more agreeable to gord than ipads10:15
dwatkinswhat got upgraded, bigcalm?10:17
bigcalmKernel10:17
dwatkinsoh my10:17
dwatkinsthat reminds me, I need to setup stuff on my DHCP server10:17
diploOoh I upgraded earlier, not rebooted yet10:18
* diplo leaves work PC on over weekend to get fix updates10:18
AlanBelldhcp3-client dhcp3-common grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common would seem likely to be the offending updates10:19
AlanBellis there some kind of OH NO IT IS ALL GOING WRONG procedure for this popey?10:19
AlanBellget those pulled from the archive or something10:19
popeychange the bulb10:19
bigcalmHaha10:20
dwatkinshow many engineers does that take? ;)10:20
bigcalmAye, it'll be dhcp at fault rather than the kernel10:20
AlanBellhow did those not get caught in -proposed?10:21
bigcalmSomeone rushing?10:22
* bigcalm blames davmor210:22
davmor2bigcalm: why me I don't test that stuff at all :P10:22
bigcalmdavmor2: you're closer to hand, that's why ;)10:23
davmor2bigcalm: well you can blame me all you want I don't have nothing to do with it, and won't fix it, at least blame gord or popey they are at least devs :P10:25
popeyI am _so_ not a dev10:30
popeyAlanBell, have you discovered a bug?10:30
davmor2popey: more of a dev than I am :P10:30
AlanBellpopey: not yet, I haven't rebooted, just installing updates10:31
bigcalmI didn't think popey was a dev?10:31
gordi wouldn't blame me for dhcp problems. i still have to put my home server in my hosts file because i never figured out how to get it to work with dhcp10:31
* bigcalm reads up10:31
* bigcalm shuts down his server to install a 2nd 2.5" drive \o/10:32
bigcalmTwo 2.5" USB drives are now two 2.5" internal drives in the proliant!10:45
bigcalmMakes access time a bit quicker and removes the ugly USB cables :D10:45
popey\o/10:46
bigcalmUsing the 2.5" -> 3.5" converters and SATA extension cables10:47
bigcalmBecause of the drive sizes, the cables nestle nicely next to them10:47
bigcalmI feel like a proper geek today10:48
gordi have a front loader bay thingy on my machine, cables are so neat and tidy10:48
gordthey all hide behind the back of the case even10:48
ali1234ok, i'm puzzled. i installed the CM9 and the gapps zip but i don't have any gapps :(10:50
bigcalmMy fingers are a little sore from using that special alan key for mounting the drives though10:50
ali1234this is a lot faster than i was expecting10:50
bigcalmali1234: it's odd I agree. But you'll have access to them via the play store10:50
ali1234but i don't have play store link...10:50
bigcalmYou don't?10:51
bigcalmOh dear10:51
ali1234i don't think so10:51
bigcalmOdd10:51
diploNot still the old name ?10:51
diploAnd need to update for it to fix10:51
diplo?10:51
bigcalmAye, might be market10:51
ali1234i just installed the nightly build...10:51
diplothe gapps10:51
ali1234i don't see either10:51
bigcalmTsk. Why didn't you get the RC1?10:51
diploHmm, not seen that before.10:52
ali1234cos the nightly is newer10:52
ali1234and because there's no rc1 for this phone10:52
bigcalmali1234: and more likely to be broken :)10:52
bigcalmAh, you're living on the edge :)10:52
ali1234reinstalled the zip from recovery, i think it might be working now10:55
ali1234yes it worked10:56
christelinvoicing-- :10:56
christeli really really really do not enjoy invoicing10:57
ali1234hmm it doesn't remember all my apps?10:59
diplochristel: Done that tap yet ?11:00
* bigcalm taps christel11:00
diploNope, should remember your wireless settings etc though11:00
bigcalmLUNCH!11:00
matttLOONCH11:02
diploYes please bigcalm11:02
christelbigcalm: norty.11:02
christeldiplo: not yet! i am er, doing some invoicing first!11:02
diploPriorities :D11:04
* diplo thinks google hangout is in order when you start :)11:05
christelhahaha so you can all laugh at me when i get water EVERYWHERE? :P11:08
diploheh yep11:09
diploWhat other good uses are hangouts for11:09
* gord is imagining something clsoe to http://www.gifbin.com/98385611:10
gordclose*11:10
diplolol11:12
AlanBellpopey: bigcalm: I just installed precise server in a VM and updated and rebooted and it is fine11:12
popeyhmm11:19
greenian2hello all11:21
popeyhi11:21
greenian2hi popey11:22
oimonali1234, the only thing that crashes on my CM is facebook if it start it too early after switching on phone, but thats fb issue11:28
oimoni had a crashy cm install on my touchpad once, but i reflashed it and the problems went away11:28
AlanBellI should be able to install CM9 without upgrading to stock ICS first right?11:32
brobostigonin chrome now, it is showing two flash plugins, the adobe one, and the pepperflash one, does it matter having both enabled, or should i disable one?11:32
brobostigonAlanBell: yes.11:32
oimonsaw someone mention that chromium ppa in ubuntu hasn't recived updates since v1811:33
brobostigonAlanBell: you will need engineering reoverry though,11:33
brobostigonoimon: that is correct.11:33
brobostigonrecovery*11:33
oimonthink i'll stick to firefox11:34
bigcalmAlanBell: yes, you're replacing the whole OS11:36
AlanBellok, and from there I can install boot to gecko11:36
bigcalmAlanBell: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_II:_Full_Update_Guide11:38
ali1234ICS is really good11:47
ali1234they've fixed the super ugly g+ client too11:47
bigcalmali1234: everybody sees that update11:48
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diploAlanBell: you going to try and run B2G on your phone ?11:54
AlanBellyeah probably11:55
diploooh, let me know how you get on11:55
diploI don't have a device I can try it with yet11:55
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The_Fredhello12:02
* bigcalm scratches his head12:05
bigcalmI now have 52.2GB of space on my dropbox account - why?12:06
bigcalmI don't pay them any money12:06
diploS3 recently ?12:06
diploIf so that's why :)12:07
bigcalmAh :D12:07
bigcalmHeh12:07
bigcalmI didn't know that would happen12:07
diploThink it's an agreement with Samsung12:07
bigcalmThough I was surprised that dropbox was installed by default12:07
bigcalmEmail just came in: Congrats on becoming a Dropbox Guru! We've awarded you 48 GB of bonus space for the next 24 months!12:08
bigcalm2 years only eh?12:08
bigcalmI won't go over my original limit then12:08
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diploMight as well make use of it ?12:11
diploIn 2 years dropbox may have dropped their prices12:11
ali1234also in 2 years you will buy a new phone12:12
bigcalmI currently don't pay anything to dropbox, why would I want to start?12:12
bigcalmali1234: possibly true12:12
diploBut in 2 years you just canccel12:13
diplo?12:13
diploMight as well use 50GB for 2 years12:13
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bigcalmAnyway, I don't actually use that much12:18
diploMe either, but I intend to use more when I can afford to get myself a better phone12:18
diploThe wildfire does work, but for stuff i want to do it dies a lot12:19
diplo:(12:19
bigcalmI'll be putting CM 7.2 onto Hayley's Wildfire at the weekend12:19
diploGoing to do mine tonight I think12:19
bigcalmBreath some life into it and stop her from wanting to buy a new phone12:19
bigcalmOh, you haven't got it on there already?12:19
diploNope, 7.112:19
bigcalmOh, but you do have CM :)12:19
diploCouldn't be bothered with reinstalling apps12:20
diployeah12:20
bigcalmApps are meant to install themselves if you have it set right12:20
diplooh, know where that is set ?12:20
bigcalmIt's a sync option when you add your gmail account. But I don't know how to re-activate it if you skipped it one 1st setup12:21
diploWell I suppose would be good to know if it's activated in the first place12:23
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bigcalmWhen I added a gmail account to my SGS3, it automatically installed a load of apps I had on my nexus one12:29
diploOh, well looking here https://play.google.com/store/account12:29
diploI can see a list of apps installed12:30
diploSo may just give it a go12:30
diplonot the end of the world :)12:30
DJonesbigcalm: I've not seen that happen before, it didn't do it when I registered my tablet with the same gmail account12:30
diploTitanium backup supposedly does some of the app reinstalling12:30
ali1234bigcalm: that is exactly what didn't happen when i upgraded12:44
ali1234i expected it would but it didn't12:44
bigcalmOh well :)12:44
czajkowskianyone else find they are a me too on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/101923312:47
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 1019233 in Launchpad itself "The "Contact this team's members" option is problematic for large projects" [High,Triaged]12:48
bigcalmRoyal Mail are annoying. https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/218678706921684992/photo/1/large - this will be a birthday card12:48
davmor2bigcalm: dude thanks for the heads up on update for the superhub for the modem only mode this seems less up/down than it was, speed fluctuates but I can deal with that12:49
bigcalmdavmor2: great12:50
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popeyhttp://www.ebuyer.com/388913-asus-nexus-7-tablet-pc-90ok0mi1100550u12:54
popeyoooo12:54
gordwas looking at that earlier12:55
gordvery good price12:55
* dwatkins discovers his logins are slow due to bug 38401712:56
lubotu3Launchpad bug 384017 in bash-completion (Ubuntu) "Loading /etc/bash_completion is slow" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38401712:56
gordall i want a tablet to do is sit in a dock as a music player really12:56
davmor2popey, gord: and yet it's $169 :( UK gets poo'd on again12:57
bigcalmImport costs?12:58
popeyVAT12:58
popeythe US price doesn't include taxes12:58
popeythe UK one does12:58
gordyeah, you buy it from google directly you are gonna pay a lot more than you think12:59
popey8GB is £15912:59
gordit really does just look like a massive phone though12:59
dwatkinsI can't talk now, I'm in the library!13:00
davmor2popey, bigcalm: and 20% on to the uk equiv of $169 is £129.262813:01
The_FredHey folks :)13:11
The_FredI've just published the Ubuntu speech input app onto google play, but im waiting for the desktop side app to clear the review process13:12
The_Fredi dont suppose that anyone knows anything about the review process for software going into software center?13:15
AlanBellI know it takes a while13:15
gorddavmor2: might!13:15
The_Fredhmm13:15
davmor2gord: What?13:16
bigcalmThe_Fred: davmor2 knows13:17
The_Freddavmor2, how long does it take for review process for the software center?13:18
davmor2The_Fred: is it in the ARB Queue?13:18
The_Fredyea13:18
The_Fred1 day, 19 hrs ago now13:18
davmor2The_Fred: As long as it takes I'm afraid,  They have regular meetings where they look at all the apps that have come in, sort out any issues and then get back to the devs, check the packaging and forward it to the extras ppa13:19
The_Fredok, thanks for that13:20
dwatkinsWhat did you create, The_Fred? I'm curious.13:20
* bigcalm ponders learning python13:20
davmor2extras repo even13:20
The_Freddwatkins, speech input system for ubuntu13:20
AlanBelldavmor2: why are we slower than apple and android?13:20
davmor2bigcalm: DO IT! DO IT NOW!!13:20
bigcalmdavmor2: what version though?13:21
dwatkinsThe_Fred: neat, I look forward to using it13:21
bigcalmAlanBell: man power?13:21
AlanBellhow is it supposed to scale up if it can't cope already?13:21
ormiretbigcalm: I'd echo davmor2's sentiment. Though it might make you realise how awful PHP is :)13:21
The_Freddwatkins, thank you :)13:22
davmor2AlanBell: because we don't have full automation, and they don't have to wait on a voluntary team to look at the packages, the Commercial apps have a dedicated team so they are released on a quicker basis13:22
bigcalmormiret: PHP is my job. But Python is possibly needed now13:22
* bigcalm grumbles at his boss13:22
* bigcalm takes a shower to ponder it some more13:23
davmor2bigcalm: Learn Python 3 it will be the default in 12.10, and it handles unicode properly which you will undoubtedly need at some point13:23
popeyheh13:23
bigcalmdavmor2: I see13:23
gordthough you will still find python 2 on most production servers13:23
bigcalmI have an o'rly book on 2.4/2.6 which says it will help with 3.x13:23
popeymy ex boss just emailed me a screenshot of putty running top13:23
gordyour python 3 code won't work on 213:23
popeyshowing me running top13:24
ali1234python 2 handles unicode properly, jeez13:24
popeyfrom over 6 months ago13:24
ali1234did someone ask a python unicode question?13:24
popeyruntime column has 4183:5013:24
The_Freddavmor2, thats good news about py3... i had a hard time getting android app to play nice with python code on the desktop13:24
ali1234cos if they did i missed it13:24
AlanBellpopey: xkcd.com/686/13:24
directhexAlanBell, it's genuinely creepy13:25
bigcalmHaha13:25
The_Fredive often wondered what happens when someone dies and they are in charge of a project13:26
The_Fredlike Linus Torvalds, when he passes on, who will take the helm?13:26
popeyhe covered that in an interview13:27
popeythere's 4 or 5 people who could take over13:27
ali1234greg kroah hartman and andrew morton will fight to the death in the thunderdome13:27
The_Fredaha13:27
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jacobwbigcalm: i wouldn't be grumpy about that13:35
jacobwsucession issues are interesting13:35
* jacobw is of the opinion that stallman has already been suceeded13:36
jacobwthe transistion from optparse/argparse during python2 is a gotcha13:37
* diplo is debugging python script as we speak :(13:39
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diplobloomin eck bigcalm certainly had some rain didn't you13:48
diplo:)13:48
diploWas bone dry here till 11/12pm13:48
bigcalmdiplo: just a little :) https://plus.google.com/113834766641843352499/posts13:49
diployeah just watched it13:49
bigcalm(for those that didn't ;))13:49
diplo:D13:50
* diplo is half asleep13:50
dwatkinsbigcalm: may I add you on G+?13:52
diploHe's boring, I wouldn't :)13:53
dwatkinsI just want all the people, of course13:53
davmor2dwatkins: you can add who you want they just don't have to add you back :)13:54
gordeveryone should make sure to add me, i sometimes post up to *twice* in a month13:54
dwatkinsdavmor2: this is a good point13:54
dwatkinsgord is no spammer.13:54
diploI think that's my limit as well gord13:55
diplo:)13:55
diploAs is davmor213:55
bigcalmdwatkins: by all means13:56
bigcalmI tend to post to twitter. Which auto sends to Facebook. I forget to add things to G+13:56
dwatkinsRoger Wilco13:56
AlanBellyou can add me on G+ and I will send you invitations to BBQs13:56
dwatkinsI use twitter for links, but I have a separate account for that.13:57
bigcalmChucky Egg? Cool13:57
davmor2diplo: I'll have you know I spam G+ nearly fortnightly sometimes13:57
dwatkins:D13:57
bigcalmAlanBell: wouldn't it be great if _everybody_ turned up?13:57
AlanBellanyone not on G+ who wants to come -> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1824/detail/13:57
diploheh13:57
AlanBellbigcalm: it would!13:57
bigcalmYour poor chickens13:58
diploIt's a day I don't have my boys so I should just put definite... just the decision on what to do, hotel/drive home etc13:58
diploWhat do you need us to bring AlanBell ?13:58
bigcalmIt's a 3+ hour drive for us. I want to attend and so does Hayley. But it's the accommodation that will bite13:58
AlanBellmeat/drink is always welcome, bring a tent and such if you want to do that13:59
bigcalmMaybe we'll just do it13:59
AlanBellbigcalm: tent!13:59
bigcalmAlanBell: not for one night :P13:59
diploJust how big is that garden of yours ?13:59
diplo:)13:59
The_Fredgiven the recent weather i'd take a boat :)13:59
* jacobw is looking for information on how to set the smbios entries of libvirt to emulate virtualbox14:00
AlanBellhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-D0ilB-BkB3Q/T8nlszUyuNI/AAAAAAAACog/Q23B1aDm_pc/s862/2012-06-02+11.00.53.jpg14:01
AlanBelldoes that link work?14:01
The_FredAlanBell, cool, you have chickens :)14:02
AlanBellI certainly do14:02
The_Fredi wonder what game could be played with chickens on a trampoline?14:02
AlanBellangry birds14:02
The_Fred:)14:02
The_Fredlol14:03
davmor2AlanBell: I'm disappointed to see that your chickens are so unpatriotic I expect to see mini union flags on their hutch in the next photo ;)14:05
The_Fredim suprised there's not another version of that game... like mad ducks, or peeved peacocks...14:05
AlanBelldavmor2: if it wasn't raining so much at the jubilee I was going to paint snowdrop with one wing red and one wing blue14:06
davmor2The_Fred: Angry Aardvarks14:06
The_Fredheh14:06
davmor2AlanBell: Haha nice :)14:07
davmor2AlanBell: but wouldn't that technically make it a french bird?14:07
AlanBellyeah14:07
AlanBellI can see her getting green and orange wings at some point14:09
AlanBellczajkowski would approve14:09
bigcalm:)14:10
davmor2AlanBell: Don't you dare there are cruelty against animals rules in this country you know :D14:11
AlanBellit would be harmless food colouring or something14:12
davmor2AlanBell: I meant making Irish14:12
AlanBellah :)14:12
bigcalmTsk14:14
The_Fredwhat is going on with the UK? There seems to be a growing trend of young kids/babies being hurt/killed recently.. :(14:15
davmor2The_Fred: Darwinian Survival of the fittest ?14:16
The_Fredmaybe14:16
* davmor2 should pay more attention to the news and then might actually know but it is always bad news14:16
The_Fredthats so true14:16
* The_Fred blocks the bbc14:17
czajkowskiAre you a technical writer? Want to work with amazing people and great team? Come join us! bit.ly/MFTzcU14:30
bubuhi guys, wondering if anyone could help figure out what is going wrong from this small pac capture: www.pastebin.com/5NaPB2Ga14:36
bubu172.20.50.26 is my application server, which calls out to 173.0.82.8914:36
bububut the application is timing out and throwing an error14:36
bubuanyone see anything wrong with that?14:37
bigcalmmaresnest?14:46
The_Fredczajkowski, whats the salary of the tech writers post?14:48
czajkowskiThe_Fred: I'm not sure14:49
czajkowskiare you a technical writer?14:49
The_Fredno,im just curious is all14:49
The_Fredbubu, i can only guess, is there a thread on one of the machines thats playing up?14:50
cocoa117i have 2TB hard disk, and the whole disk is been used for lvm pv. However after create volume group, the volume group size is only 1.82TB, where did all the 20G go?14:51
directhexcocoa117, this is an issue with units.14:53
The_Fred+1..... 1000 GB is not 1024 GB... this is quite common and it sucks14:54
cocoa117directhex, so how do i get them back? or it is there, just didn't show it with unit14:54
directhexcocoa117, "1K" means 1024 bytes, because computers work in base-2 numbers. But the prefix "kilo" means "1000" so in some circles, "1K" means "1000" bytes14:54
directhexcocoa117, so your 2T disk is 2000000000000 bytes14:54
cocoa117directhex, so the display of "VG Size  1.82 TiB" is ...14:55
AlanBelltibibytes14:55
diddledanthose are tebibytes14:55
AlanBellwhich are bigger, so you have less of them14:56
directhexcocoa117, the little "i" is used to disambiguate 1024 versus 1000 - it's saying the disk is 1.82 TiB, where 1 TiB is 1099511627776 bytes14:56
ali1234so you guys explanation for this is that the HD size (as printed on the label) is 2 terabytes but the OS is displaying in tebibytes14:56
directhex(not 1000000000000)14:56
directhexali1234, precisely14:57
AlanBellthis is all caused by marketing people being scared of number systems they don't understand14:57
cocoa117ha, ok, it's the same size of hard disk, just showed in different unit of measure it14:57
directhexcocoa117, right!14:58
The_Fredand then factor in that some US firms use 100,000 as a million, but other countries use 1000,000 as a million14:58
czajkowskiMyrtti: ping14:58
Myrtticzajkowski: pong14:58
diddledanreally?14:58
cocoa117got it, cheers guys14:58
directhexThe_Fred, i think it's 1,000,000,000,000 versus 1,000,000,000 as a billion14:58
diddledanI thought the issue was billions14:58
directhexi.e. is a billion a thousand million or a million million14:58
diddledan1 thousand million vs 1 million million14:59
diddledanbritish it the latter14:59
diddledanamerican is the former14:59
diddledanbut since america is top dog we conform to their standard mostly these days14:59
shaunothis whole thing of mibi vs mega isn't fear, it's been a standard for 15 years now15:00
ali1234it's a neologism15:00
diddledanshauno, it was brought about by the marketers confusing the sizes of hard discs though15:01
directhexshauno, right. but it's dishonest marketing to advertise storage in base-10 units, when every OS counts in base-2 units15:01
shaunonot every OS.  I believe windows is meant to be moving to metric too15:01
diddledantypical15:01
diddledanevery os that matters ? :-p15:01
shaunoOSX is already there.  and linux is still suffering from groupthink over direction15:02
AlanBellhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy15:02
AlanBellshauno: ubuntu has a policy on it15:02
ali1234if you say "1 kilobyte" absolutely nobody at all would think you mean 1000 bytes15:02
directhexshauno, windows says metric and uses base-215:03
directhexshauno, i.e. it says "GB" and shows GiB15:03
ali1234(which is the only way which is actually correct)15:03
shaunoAlanBell: that policy looks sane.  and conflicts with most people's complaints that it's some harddrive conspiracy15:05
shauno(when my understanding is that it actually came from telcoms, where linespeeds have always been metric)15:05
ali1234nope15:05
AlanBellwell hard drives are the main area where it is technically possible to build things to a size that is a multiple of 100015:07
AlanBelldunno if you could build a 1000MB ram dimm and expect it to function15:08
shaunoright.  same with linespeeds.  they're essentially "how long is a peice of string", where you cut to any length you feel like.  ram's the main holdout, because they're built in arrays, so always square numbers15:08
ali1234why not?15:08
ali1234ram and hard drives are addresses in exactly the same way15:08
AlanBellali1234: not sure really, of course with virtual machines it is easy to prove that the operating system doesn't care much about the specific ram it has15:09
popeyline speeds are more about "what's technically possible with this conductor"15:09
shaunoin theory, but 10meg, 100meg, GigE etc doesn't just magically work out at a surpisingly round number15:10
AlanBellyeah, that goes a bit backwards, they start with a speed and then certify the line length and connectors and such that will let it still work15:11
AlanBellalthough 10/100/1000 are all 100m segment length which surprises me15:13
bigcalmAn easy number for people to think of15:14
bigcalmIs it the weekend yet?15:22
ali1234yes15:22
bigcalmLier15:22
bigcalm:(15:22
davmor2ali1234: liar liar pants on fire15:22
davmor2bigcalm: test your for an update and then be hugely disappointed or gob smacked when there is or isn't it'll take your mind off the time left15:24
davmor2on you xoom15:24
bigcalmdavmor2: I've checked 3 times so far today15:25
davmor2bigcalm: an hour or minute?15:25
DJonesDoes that mean you're due to get ICS today?15:25
bigcalm:P15:25
bigcalmNo, but soon15:25
bigcalmApparently15:25
bigcalmDJones: davmor2 has the details15:26
DJonesTo be honest, I was expecting jelly bean to be released for mine before you got ics for the xoom15:26
bigcalmHeh15:26
bigcalmI wonder when the SGS3 will get JellyBean15:26
ali1234i tried to convince Mer project they should name their releases after sea food dishes15:27
ali1234so like "prawn cocktail" "fish fingers" etc15:27
ali1234they wouldn't have it though :(15:27
bigcalmThe sods :)15:27
ali1234they called it nemo instead15:28
bigcalmBoring15:28
davmor2DJones: http://www.facebook.com/motorolaeurope/posts/319548971473229 there is still time for you to get jellybean15:28
ali1234yeah. that's what you get if you put it up for a vote tho15:28
jacobwline speeds are always metric15:33
DJonesdavmor2: bigcalm http://www.transformerforums.com/forum/transformer-prime-general-discussions/24430-too-soon-asking-about-jelly-bean-prime.html Just reading that, there's a comment bout the xoom getting Jelly Bean in mid July.... Are you going to hold your breath waiting, I think the writer has mixed up ICS & JB though15:35
davmor2ali1234: yeah but nemo is a clown fish right so they got the sea bit right and it's food for other animals so that is kinda sea food :)15:35
bigcalmHeh15:35
ali1234it was named after captain nemo15:35
ali1234not the fish15:35
bigcalmI'm in no rush for anything - I've lost the ability to be super excited. I'm a little concerned about this now15:35
jacobw++verne15:36
ali1234at least i think it was15:36
davmor2DJones: no it might be that the states get it in mid july they have had ICS for nearly a year iirc15:36
* jacobw goes home15:41
AlanBellbigcalm: you can get excited about the BBQ15:53
bigcalmBut that might not happen for us, I need to consider money15:55
bigcalmWe're going to the RAT and oggcamp. And we're saving for next year's wedding and a future mortgage15:55
davmor2bigcalm: we can try and kill two birds with one stone if you like?  I'll strap a big rocket firework to your back and point you in the direction of the BBQ, we can then see if it excites you and will cost you nothing to get there if you do :)15:57
bigcalmdavmor2: I think you'd get more out of it than I would15:58
christelseriously15:58
christelyou're prioritising a wedding over AlanBell's BBQ?15:59
davmor2bigcalm: you know sometimes I think you must have a hard time living up to your nickname15:59
christelbigcalm--15:59
bigcalmchristel: :(15:59
christel(come to the bbq)15:59
christel(postpone the wedding)15:59
christel(also, invite me to wedding, i like weddings)15:59
bigcalmchristel: we both want to come, I'll see what I can do15:59
bigcalmHehe15:59
christelyes! do it15:59
christelinfact, just stay down here after RAT16:00
* christel nods16:00
bigcalmErm, for how long?16:00
christelit's.. 2 weekS? :D16:00
bigcalmHehe16:00
christelyou can er, holiday in surrey -- we have uhm.. trees?16:00
AlanBellin a tent in my garden!16:00
bigcalmYay trees16:00
bigcalmHaha16:00
bigcalmAhem, sorry AlanBell :)16:01
davmor2AlanBell: I'm sure there is room in the coop there are only two of them :D16:01
christeldavmor2: hahaha16:01
bigcalmOh dear16:01
bigcalmdogmatic69: poke16:16
davmor2bigcalm: so this staged rollout of ICS seems to be germany that's obviously europe now right :D16:17
dogmatic69o/16:17
bigcalmdogmatic69: cakephp. How do you delete a record from a table by id?16:18
bigcalmdogmatic69: I'm in a controller and want to delete a record from a given model16:18
bigcalmWould be nice to do this without writing SQL16:18
dogmatic69$this->ModelName->delete(id)16:19
bigcalmThat simple? Ta16:19
dogmatic69yep16:19
dogmatic69bigcalm: set up cake console and use bake, it will show you some basics16:20
dogmatic69https://github.com/infinitas/infinitas/blob/dev/Core/Libs/Controller/Component/MassActionComponent.php#L23516:20
dogmatic69you can use deleteAll(array(1,2,3)) too16:20
bigcalmIt's a 1.1 project :D16:20
dogmatic69lol16:20
dogmatic69then I cant help much, only started on 1.2 which was almost a rewrite of 1.116:21
bigcalmYep16:21
bigcalmBut some function names might be similar16:21
dogmatic69ye16:21
dogmatic69delete() should be the same16:21
bigcalmHope so. Doing battle with this project is slow16:22
dogmatic69is it big?16:22
bigcalmYep16:22
bigcalmThere's talk of porting the app to the latest version of cakephp. But that won't be for a long time16:23
dogmatic692.2 is awesome16:23
bigcalmMore features to develop and bugs to fix16:23
dogmatic69I would guess it to be 3 or 4 times faster than 1.116:23
bigcalmdelete() works, ta16:30
Q__hello17:08
popeyanyone done a reinstall on a system that has encrypted home?17:08
czajkowskipopey: nope but support might have done one for someone17:11
czajkowskithey may know17:12
popeyi want to revert back to precise17:12
czajkowskisee pm17:12
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AlanBellpopey: any reason for going back?18:39
BigRedSI was pondering upgrading my desktop to Q the other day18:42
BigRedSI think it's either that or something crazy like slackware18:42
AlanBellQ seems fine to me, just like P really18:43
* AlanBell goes to build a new bike18:43
AlanBellmy old one exploded on the way home :(18:43
jacobwwhy the dichotomy?18:43
BigRedSMotorbike?18:44
AlanBellpedal bike, the deralleur thing went into the spokes and ripped apart the back end18:44
BigRedSI'm getting a little bored with everything Just Working. If Q's as stable as P I might have to go with something daft18:45
AlanBellwould cost more in parts than a new £80 bike from halfords so I got a new one18:45
BigRedSah, if it's modern it might just be a mech hanger, mech and bit of a wheel trueing you need18:45
BigRedSoh18:45
BigRedSyeah, if it's an £80 bike it won't be just that18:45
AlanBellthe new one has suspension and everything18:46
BigRedSI guess it's getting harder to get £80 ones without now18:47
diploqevening all18:49
diploEvening*18:49
brobostigonwhats the best way to store fresh herbs?18:51
ali1234inside your stomach18:53
brobostigonhaha18:54
brobostigoni bought too much coriander,18:54
brobostigonfresh.18:54
shaunocold/dark/dry is a sensible default.  otherwise, "on the plant"18:55
brobostigonfridge?18:55
ali1234meh18:55
ali1234have you chopped it up?18:56
popeyAlanBell, i want my main machine stable on LTS18:56
brobostigonno18:56
ali1234is it one of those ones where it comes in a little port of soil?18:56
ali1234or is it just stalks?18:56
brobostigonali1234: mo.18:56
ali1234mo?18:57
brobostigonali1234: no, then yes.18:57
ali1234i'd say fridge then, given how hot and humid it currently is18:57
ali1234store it like you would store salad18:57
brobostigonok.18:58
popeyit says on it how to store it18:58
popeymost say "DO NOT PUT IN FRIDGE"18:58
popeyor "MUST PUT IN FRIDGE"18:58
popeyor similar18:58
ali1234yeah but labelling is just LIES18:58
popey[FACT]18:58
brobostigonpopey: i bought raw, no usch instruction, just bunch of coriander.18:59
ali1234if it was winter i'd say leave it out but in this heat it is gonna wilt in a few hours18:59
brobostigonok.18:59
brobostigondone.18:59
ali1234fridge is probably too cold for it but what can you do18:59
popeyput it in the bottom or drawer18:59
popeynot near the back18:59
popeyit will get freezer burn18:59
brobostigonbottom loads of space.19:00
popeythats what..19:00
* popey goes to make food19:00
jacobwketchup sandwich is suprisngly tasty19:01
The_Fredyea,i had a current sarnie the other day19:04
The_Fredjust had a sudden hankering19:04
ali1234toast sandwich. yeah19:04
The_Fredbrobostigon, hello :)19:05
brobostigonhello The_Fred :019:05
brobostigonhello The_Fred :)19:05
brobostigonwish you were here, :'(19:05
MartijnVdSGAAH19:05
The_Fredhope your keeping dry19:05
MartijnVdSKernel security bug = 600 emails on -security-announce19:05
ali1234what's the bug?19:05
ali1234is that why we got a kernel update today?19:06
The_Fredbrobostigon, wish i was there.... you having a party?19:06
brobostigonThe_Fred: no, on my own.19:06
The_Fredah, friday nite blues eh?19:06
brobostigonThe_Fred: whjy would i be irc if i was having a party, illogical.19:07
The_Fredits been known to happen :)19:07
ali1234it could be a geek party19:07
The_Fredthats the one!19:07
brobostigoni was refferring to the pink floyd song.19:07
ali123410 people in same room, in silence, talking or irc19:07
The_Fredlol19:08
ali1234you think i am joking19:08
Laneywe had a DMB meeting like that once at UDS19:08
Laneyit was unnerving19:08
The_Fredmore like folk getting drunk after a good game of alien arena, and then spending time on the arena IRC19:08
jacobwDMB?19:08
Laneyi wonder if there's a factoid19:09
Laney!dmb19:09
lubotu3The Developer Membership Board handles applications for new developer privileges. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess for more details. For DMB attention, try !dmb-ping.19:09
LaneyAWESOME BOT.19:09
The_Fred!meaningoflife19:09
lubotu342.19:09
The_Fredheh19:09
jacobwit'd be cool if the bot did some self motivated learning when praised19:10
jacobwbut only when praised19:10
The_Fredyea, reenforced learning19:10
ali1234nah, it wouldn't work. AI is still all tricks.19:10
* The_Fred wants tony starks J.A.R.V.I.S19:11
jacobwthe idea of bot being motivated by praise tickles me19:12
The_Fredits the sarcasm filter that would be problematic19:12
The_Fredpython would be the tool of choice19:14
jacobwlanguages are complicated19:14
The_Fred*from soul import frequency_mystery_system19:14
jacobwi started answering questions about making a talking bot on #python from CS student19:15
The_Fredhow did it pan out?19:15
jacobwi don't have any credentials in CS, some students are just lazy19:15
The_Fredoh, thats so true19:15
jacobwhow can someone not understand markov chains :|19:15
ali1234everyone has to start somewhere19:15
The_Fredwhen i was at uni i had 3 people on the course offer to pay me for doing their assignment!19:16
The_Fredjacobw, refresh my memory: what are markov chains?19:17
* The_Fred fires up google search19:17
jacobwa stateless finite state machine19:18
jacobwactually that's the most stupid thing i've ever said19:19
The_Fredits ok, i got it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain19:19
jacobwit's a finite state machine where the next state is independent of previous states19:20
The_Fredi think it can be used in a machine learning program, but it cant recall how it learned...19:20
MartijnVdSmagics19:21
jacobwso its very computable because the transformations can be reduced without keeping track of previous states19:21
The_Fredhmm, this looks handy for my next bout of hardware hacking: http://hackaday.com/2012/06/29/using-your-bench-tools-to-test-a-new-display/19:22
* popey has food!19:23
MartijnVdSpopey: delicious foodses?19:23
jacobwuseful for constructing sentences, if current word is a verb next word can be a pronoun or an object select and repeat19:23
popeyya19:23
* MartijnVdS saw a track inspection train today19:24
* jacobw is hungry because he's too shy to go to nearby resturant :|19:24
MartijnVdS<-- exciting life19:24
jacobwtrack inspection?19:24
The_Fredjacobw, i was developing a system to automate surveys... i had multiple virtual profiles... it didnt go well19:24
MartijnVdSjacobw: yeah they make videos of the track, and compare/analyse to determine wear19:24
jacobwah, interesting :)19:25
MartijnVdSjacobw: and which places need maintenance most19:25
MartijnVdSjacobw: check my G+ for a pic :)19:25
* jacobw checks19:25
The_Fredis there a link?19:25
The_Fredplease19:25
MartijnVdS21:20 < jacobw> it's a finite state machine where the next state is independent  of previous states19:26
MartijnVdSuhr19:26
MartijnVdShttps://plus.google.com/100189567362844794281/posts/JJE8DCHYXZ419:26
MartijnVdSThe_Fred: ^19:26
The_Fredthanks19:26
jacobwooh shiny19:27
The_Fredthats cool19:27
MartijnVdSit was going back and forth over those tracks while I waited for my train to arrive19:28
MartijnVdS(every bit once)19:28
brobostigoni am trying to describe what a lap steel guitar, is to someone, and i htink i am failing, it should be simple.19:28
ali1234what19:29
ali1234tell them to look on wikipedia?19:29
brobostigonali1234: i think i will do.19:29
The_Fredbrobostigon, its a guitar that lays across the lap and is played with a metal bar19:29
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: Lap.. like what a dog does..19:29
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: but first.. steal a guitar19:29
brobostigonMartijnVdS: haha, but yes, that would work. :)19:30
brobostigonThe_Fred: exactly, yes.19:30
The_Fredi know a chap who plays one... he's amasing - can pick up any instrucment and just play it19:31
brobostigonThe_Fred: i saw one in town this afternoon, for sale,19:31
ali1234super furry animals' phantom power album has a lot of steel guitar on it19:31
MartijnVdSwhat? a chap who can play any instrument? :P19:31
brobostigonThe_Fred: i play percussion, not strings.19:31
The_Fredah i see19:32
The_Fredwhole diffent game19:32
brobostigonagreed.19:32
ali1234eg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvF7T1volgA19:33
The_Fredright folks im off - my lad is here and wants us to chill and watch a film19:33
brobostigonThe_Fred: but it has always stuck in my head, since i first heard pink floyd as a 5 year old.19:33
The_Fredbrobostigon, pink floyd are amasing19:34
* MartijnVdS watches "Synth Britannia"19:34
ali1234that song also contains the line "i program robots to make them lie" which is awesome19:34
brobostigonthqvery yes.19:34
MartijnVdS(recorded)19:34
The_Fredanyhow folk im outta here, catch you in the week, have fun, stay safe and all that:)19:34
brobostigonbye The_Fred o/19:34
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00n93c619:35
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: a bunch of The Who tonight on Beeb Four19:35
brobostigonMartijnVdS: cool, :)19:35
MartijnVdSfrom 21:00 UK time19:35
MartijnVdSalmost 4 hours19:36
brobostigonso in about 25 mins.19:36
MartijnVdSyes19:36
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: http://www.bbc.co.uk/tv/guide19:37
brobostigon:)19:37
brobostigonthank you MartijnVdS19:37
* MartijnVdS has his record-from-satellite scripts ready :)19:37
brobostigon:019:37
brobostigon:)19:38
brobostigonget_iplayer :)19:38
MartijnVdSSure, but this is more fun :)19:38
MartijnVdSalso, higher res!19:38
brobostigonit can pick in HD.19:38
MartijnVdSI've used a lot of bandwidth on my VPS this month19:39
MartijnVdSso I'll stick to timeout + dd + projectx + handbrake :)19:39
ali1234iplayer HD isn't real HD19:39
MartijnVdSit's 72019:39
MartijnVdSwhich looks just as good as the 1080i on satellite19:40
ali1234that's strike 119:40
MartijnVdS(note the 'i'nterlaceing)19:40
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i barely hit 10% of my vps's last month.19:40
ali1234uk digital terrestrial is all 1080p afaik19:40
ali1234dunno what they do on satellite19:41
MartijnVdSali1234: I do know what they do on sat, and it's interlaced ;019:41
MartijnVdS;)19:41
brobostigonactually, no, thats wrong, it comes to over 1%.19:41
ali12341080p is all 30fps though, so it looks really flickery19:41
ali1234kind of annoying if you don't have a fancy TV that does frame morphing19:41
MartijnVdSali1234: apparently it's both i and p on terrestrial.. depending on what they're broadcasting19:42
ali1234i can believe that19:42
ali1234i bet sports are all i19:42
ali1234but i never watch those19:42
brobostigon0.29gb from 200gb.19:43
MartijnVdSI have no idea where I can see how much I used this month19:43
brobostigonwas last month.19:43
popeyis the bbc stuff filmed in 1080p?19:44
popeyand downscaled for transmission?19:44
ali1234must be19:44
MartijnVdSpopey: It seems to depend19:44
ali1234although it depends what you mean by 1080p19:44
popeyi guess if doctor who on blueray is 1080p..19:44
brobostigon2.26 of 200.00 GB on my other.19:44
MartijnVdSpopey: but Torchwood S1 is 1080i19:44
popeyso, telly question19:45
popeysomeone has offered me a telly for 250 quid19:45
ali1234popey: blu-rays do not support 1080p6019:45
popey42LH3000 LG19:45
popeyworth 250?19:45
ali1234at least the spec doesn't19:45
AlanBellyou can get a lot of new telly for £25019:45
MartijnVdSpopey: lowest "new" price was €455 on april19:46
popeya decent (i.e. not matsui) one?19:46
brobostigonagreed.19:46
MartijnVdSin april*19:46
ali1234get one of those 100Hz with frame morphing19:46
ali1234they are amazing19:46
AlanBellpopey: the new model LG is £32919:48
AlanBellhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-42CS460-42-inch-Widescreen-Freeview/dp/B007IYVUBY/ref=dp_ob_title_ce19:48
* brobostigon winders how much a lap steel costs.19:49
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Recording-King-RG-Lap-Steel/dp/B001WAKUEI19:50
AlanBellpopey: and I am sure the Ubuntu TV will be much better value and in the shops real soon now ;)19:50
ali1234couple of hundred for a good one i'd guess19:50
brobostigonholy crap.19:51
brobostigonsorry19:51
ali1234what?19:51
ali1234decent quality instruments are expensive :)19:52
MartijnVdSpoo with holes in it.19:52
brobostigonali1234: agreed. yes.19:52
brobostigonMartijnVdS: also, quadraphenia, on after.19:53
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: yes19:53
brobostigonquadrophnia*19:53
MartijnVdS4 hours of Who (no not THAT who)19:53
brobostigon:_)19:54
brobostigon:)19:54
brobostigonMartijnVdS: you know animal, from the muppets.19:55
MartijnVdSof course19:55
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i was compared to him, the other day.19:55
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: Did someone shout "You muppet!" ? :P19:56
brobostigonMartijnVdS: no.19:56
brobostigonMartijnVdS: but the hair, and playing the drums, and being wild sometimes.19:57
MartijnVdSis your hair red as well? :)19:57
brobostigonMartijnVdS: it is a light browsny colour,19:58
* MartijnVdS switches to Beeb 419:58
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i thin the person was referring more to the wild hair, that the colour,19:59
brobostigonberr topup.19:59
brobostigonbeer*19:59
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: http://www.zazzle.nl/niet_uw_ochtendkoffie_nog_hebben_gehad_mok-16848856697957830220:00
brobostigonMartijnVdS: haha, :)20:01
brobostigonMartijnVdS: and ofcourse monster, apparently being inspired by keith moon.20:03
brobostigonanimal*20:03
brobostigonone amazing drummer there.20:05
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: I have an "Animal" puppet here somewhere20:13
DJonesok, I'm suitably impressed, new all-in-one printer works perfectly by wireless, even wireless scanning20:13
brobostigonMartijnVdS: hehe :)20:13
brobostigonMartijnVdS: my mum sugegsted, a drum bagm with such a picture imprinted.20:14
* popey watches "The Widow and the Wardrobe"20:17
MartijnVdSpopey: don't cry!20:18
popeyhah20:18
popeytoo late20:18
ubuntuuk-planet[Stuart Langridge] Put the chocolate on the moose - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/06/29/put-the-chocolate-on-the-moose21:01
=== Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte
MartijnVdSaquarius++21:09
MartijnVdSnice script :)21:10
directhexhow can i record an RDP session?21:11
MartijnVdSdirecthex: tcpdump?21:11
MartijnVdSdirecthex: that or popey knows21:11
popeykazam21:11
MartijnVdSsee, popey knows all :)21:12
popey:)21:12
brobostigonsomehow, keith moon seems familier, about also so distent. as in a different way, david gilmour does with shine on, about sud barrett.21:14
directhexpopey, kazam doesn't seem to record from rdp, it just records the screen21:14
brobostigonsome one qho shined, but became a minor of what he was.21:14
brobostigonwho*21:15
popeywat21:15
popeydirecthex, correct21:15
brobostigonsaying that, it reminds me, of myself.21:16
popeydirecthex, according to google, seems like something a lot of people want to do, maybe someone should write an app to do that21:16
ali1234how would you play it back?21:18
ali1234you would have to make it into a video anyway21:19
ali1234or write a special program21:19
ali1234might as well just use a screen recorder21:19
popeydepends how you write the frames out to disk21:20
ali1234i had an idea actually to make a sockets wrapper that does packet replaying21:20
popeybut yeah, send each full frame through ffmpeg/libav/whatever21:20
DaraelDepends what you're after, no?  If you want to do something repeatedly, some kind of keyboard-and-mouse macro recording software, maybe?21:20
popeya guy I know used to record x sessions on the network21:20
popeyand replay them21:20
ali1234cos i had no end of problems trying to archive webpages by recording the transactions21:21
ali1234like, webpage complete?21:21
ali1234there's no such thing if it has flash or ajax21:21
ali1234but if i record every connection the browser makes and everything sent in both directions21:21
ali1234then i can replay it back into the browser21:22
ali1234assuming no user interaction of course21:22
ali1234would also need to disable things like certificate expiry21:23
* Laney meows21:32
LaneyI need to move out into my own place, mainly so that I can acquire cats. Cats are good.21:32
brobostigonanimal fur sets of allergies.21:34
popeyhttps://twitter.com/popey/status/216579058023153665/photo/1/large21:34
brobostigonoff*21:34
popeyRAWR!21:34
popeynah, allerpet fixes that brobostigon21:34
popeyhttp://www.amazon.com/Allerpet-Grooming-Emollient-Cats-12/dp/B000S0L0M421:34
brobostigonpopey: umm?21:34
Laneynatural selection21:34
brobostigonoh.21:34
Laneyyou no love my cat, you no love me21:35
ali1234you could also shave the cats21:35
ali1234http://www.wikihow.com/Shave-a-Cat21:36
Laneynever.21:36
directhexpopey, kazam is Good Enough, if i put the VM window in the right place21:37
brobostigonpopey: interesting idea, but it wont solve the problem, id there is any contact,21:37
brobostigonif*21:37
popeybrobostigon, my wife was allergic. we used it, now she isnt21:37
popeynot just an idea :)21:37
Laneydo you really have to do it 2-3 times a week?21:38
brobostigonpopey: he allergy probably wont change, unless her immune system changes, which is the basis of allergies.21:38
LaneyI can't imagine our cats at home tolerating that ...21:38
brobostigonher*21:38
directhexavoid cats, get hypoallergenic pets21:39
directhexlike chinchillas21:39
ali1234or snakes21:39
Laneyit's cat or house pig21:39
brobostigonbest, none at all.21:39
Laneybrobostigon meldrew21:39
brobostigonthanks Laney21:39
Laney:P21:39
ali1234or how about some fish?21:40
brobostigonnope, also allergic to.21:40
Laneythey have to be huggable21:40
Laneymaybe a house rabbit would be acceptable21:40
Laneybut you can't litter tray train them, apparently21:40
popeybrobostigon, well, I'm just speaking from experience of someone who was allergic, and now shows no symptoms and has had two cats for 10+ years21:41
popey.. and we used allerpet c when we first got the cats21:42
brobostigonpopey: ok,i understand, yes. but i speak, from what i know of the science of allergies and eczema.21:42
brobostigonand alletgies, are generallt considered, a malfunction in the immune-system.21:43
popeyok, maybe I misworded it21:43
popeybut the fact is she shows no more cat allergy symptoms21:43
popeyunless she picks a cat up and basically rubs it in her eyes21:43
brobostigonthats good and impressive.21:43
popeywhich is a) stupid, and b) surprisingly common21:43
directhexfloooooooof21:43
brobostigonagreed.21:43
brobostigonbut that pretty much applies to any contact, those parameters.21:44
brobostigonie, touch,21:45
popeyI also have a friend who was allergic to alcohol.. poor chap21:47
popeyhe had to avoid most body care products as well as imbibing booze21:47
popeyso puff was his drug of choice21:47
popeythen one day I bumped into him at a party and he was drinking beer..21:47
popeyI said "hey, surely you're going to get super ill with that!?"21:47
popey"no", he said. "I got over it"21:48
popeyWhen I inquired further. he'd got so pissed off with it that he decided to try to get over it by consuming vast amounts of it21:48
popeyspent an entire weekend drinking, throwing up, drinking, throwing up..21:48
popey(a typical night in for daviey)21:48
popeyand after that.. his tolerance for alcohol was much higher..21:49
ali1234if you can do that without dying it's not a real allergy21:49
popeywell indeed21:49
ali1234just sayin'21:49
popeyit was fun tho :)21:49
brobostigonso he was alllergic to ethanol ?21:50
popeyI didn't investigate this much further21:51
popeyI only ever bumped into him at parties21:51
brobostigonok.21:51
popeywhere one or both of us was drunk or stoned21:51
popeyso anyway.. cats!21:51
brobostigonah.21:51
brobostigoni am decidedly too tired, to get into a scientific discussion about biology and chemistry.21:53
Laneyperusing http://www.nottingham.cats.org.uk/nottingham/adopt-a-cat-page21:53
ali1234TOO LATE21:53
ali1234those cats all look like mental house destroyers21:54
popeyscooby looks fun21:55
brobostigonso does kylie.21:55
popeyoh, i thought we were looking at cats?21:56
Laneyscooby definitely knows how to have a good time21:56
* Laney managed to get onto Page 3 of 221:57
Laneynow 4. this site be bugged21:57
brobostigonmade me laugh, a kitty name sugesstion in a tweet, my bojangles. :)21:57
brobostigonmr*21:57
Laneyright, forget cats. weird psychological dramas it is: http://io9.com/5922490/a-bizarre-student-film-about-the-hidden-number-that-exists-between-3-and-422:00
directhexhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFs319ECDEM&feature=youtu.be22:01
ali1234is it 3.5?22:01
Laney3.5, that famous integer22:02
popeyhahah22:02
popeyi wish we had a quotebot22:02
popeybleem?22:04
popeywasnt that an emulator?22:04
ali1234yes22:04
directhexbleem was a paid psx emulator, iirc?22:06
=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away
popeyLaney, thanks, enjoyed that22:16
Laneyyeah, it's quite well done22:17
brobostigonsleep well, buys and gals.22:17
=== dogmatic69__ is now known as dogmatic69
Azelphurwho says you need windows to get the most out of fancy gaming hardware, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/June/2012-06-29-235844_800x585_scrot.png :D22:59
directhexsweet!23:02
ubuntuuk-planet[Alistair McKinlay] The ethical problem with technology prices - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2012/06/the-ethical-problem-with-technology-prices/23:02
ubuntuuk-planet[Jo Shields] How to build a bungalow& begin with the chimney - http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/442/23:02
Azelphurgnome15 ftw \o/23:02

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