=== Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [06:54] mng [06:55] pfft morning, I havn't slept yet [07:07] Morning [07:11] Morning all [07:48] that's it, the apocalypse has begun - Scotland will be underwater in a day. [07:49] Yay! Maybe we'll stop hearing them bleat on about devolution :) [07:49] I wouldn't complain if that quietly disappeared, popey [07:50] It makes no sense to me, why peel-off as a separate country when you don't have many resources aside from oil and tourism... [07:50] anyhoo, phone rings === myrtti is now known as Myrtti [07:50] ...and it was a wrong number [07:51] sometimes I get calls from people in switzerland wondering where their order of whiskey has gotten to, as the customer services number is similar to our number for some alcohol delivery company. [07:55] Good morning peeps :) [08:03] How well do Epson printers work with ubuntu, just looking at getting an epson stylus sx535wd, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1919803&highlight=epson+stylus suggests it may not be 100% working [08:15] morning all [08:16] * mattt fist pumps at the thought of friday [08:30] morning === LJL is now known as LjL [08:50] Is there any point in updating the kernel image on a bytemark vm is the vm doesn't use them? [08:53] Happy Friday, folks! :-D [08:54] Yay Friday \o/ [08:56] FRIDAY [08:56] :D:D:D:DD:D [08:57] christel: how are you my dear? [08:57] i am WELL [08:59] Ready to get wet? [08:59] no :( [09:02] heh [09:03] * AlanBell has full confidence in christel's plumbing ability [09:07] Anybody know how I can configure this (https://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/ctrlwm?content=114565) to act like the snapping in Ubuntu 12.04? I can't seem to get it to work. [09:10] Time to tinker with the home server :) [09:28] good morning eveyrone. [09:30] I freaking rock! [09:30] Woo me! [09:31] \o/ [09:31] brobostigon: I agree [09:31] I want to install debain [09:31] debian * [09:31] bigcalm: what happened then? [09:31] I am going to use CDs [09:31] BUT [09:31] pyshispythonbash: try a #debian channel? [09:31] do I use one CD? [09:32] pyshispythonbash: you should be fine, for the basics, with the first two. [09:32] if not just the first. [09:32] Anyone recommend a way of checking that I am the only one logged in to a system [09:32] users [09:32] ahhh ok [09:32] i thought that is what the users command was for? [09:33] brobostigon: just managed to mount 2.5" drives into the 3.5" cradle bays of my HP Microserver [09:33] bigcalm: cool, :) [09:33] pyshispythonbash: If you'll have an internet connection while installing the net_install disk is a nice small base [09:33] diplo: w who users, those 3 will help [09:33] yeah not sure how I am getting that to work AlanBell / bigcalm [09:33] well I guess my wifi wont work [09:33] I basically want to identify that my shell is the only one logged in [09:33] IE [09:34] USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT [09:34] root tty1 - Wed15 24:49m 0.04s 0.04s -bash [09:34] root pts/0 192.168.1.16 Thu10 0.00s 0.07s 0.01s w [09:34] diplo: try these 3: w, who, users [09:34] All give same output, basically i am running a script and want to make sure no one is accessing cisam database [09:34] Hmm, maybe I just use lsof instead [09:35] whowatch [09:35] diplo: w who users, those 3 will help [09:35] Oops [09:35] :) [09:35] pyshispythonbash: It probably could be made to work, but you would have to do some configuring yourself, a wired connection is much easier. [09:35] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1065731/ [09:36] yeah they all output the same info, what if we had 2 users logged in with same name [09:36] ormiret: if i remember, some wifi does work with the debian installer, but no closed blobs, and in kernel alone support. [09:36] Want to check my login is the only one logged in ig uess [09:36] Script something around id pid maybe ? [09:36] diplo: how would you have 2 different users with the same login name? [09:36] that is you logged in twice [09:37] So at our company we don't allow our customers root [09:37] So they login with our company name as a user for sysadmin work [09:37] As do I [09:37] So it could be them or me, and one of those users could be accessing a db file [09:37] diplo, it's the console [09:38] are you referrign to the tty1 line? [09:38] nah that was just an example :) [09:38] oh [09:38] shared logins mean you don't know who is who [09:38] 99% of the time they will be logged in remotely [09:38] Yep, not my fault :( legacy setup and I don't setup any of the systems [09:38] I fix there issues [09:39] yeah, it is pretty common [09:39] So just trying to work out how to identify me before checking [09:39] pstree maybe [09:39] so if(id = me) and who only includes me, run script [09:39] or lsof [09:39] heh lsof was my next choice [09:39] lsof | grep cisam [09:39] -bash: lsof: command not found [09:39] :( [09:39] * diplo gets clearance to add more software [09:40] try pstree [09:40] if you always login from the same ip , then grep it out of w results [09:40] ooh pstree is there, not used that before [09:41] * diplo investigates [09:41] oimon: Nice idea, but again most of the times this user will be logged in locally :( [09:41] I'm basically trying to cover my behind that's all [09:41] I was just going to do who -a and if more than 1 exit [09:42] But I thought I'd do it properly for once, as this company take so many shortcuts already :) [09:43] bigcalm: On your proliant w/who etc list your currently logged in user ? [09:44] As on my desktop here I get from w 0 users and who nothing at all [09:44] diplo: yes, I noticed that on my desktop I only got a result from w [09:44] heh, see this is why my script has gone from 40-50 lines to 200+ now [09:44] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1065744/ [09:45] Good way to learn python but I'm having to work to make it work on different OS's/versions [09:45] yeah exactly what I get [09:45] At least that makes me feel better [09:45] diplo: so users are logging in via a gui rather than a terminal [09:45] ( Sorry all for the diplo spam ) [09:46] I'll give a quick outlay of what we have maybe [09:46] ? [09:46] o.O [09:47] So we basically have a legacy ( talking 20 years old ) system that we write text based that users log into, this connects them to a cisam database to read files, when doing backups if there are any users logged in doing anything with data the idx/dat files will get out of sync [09:47] Cisam as far as i can find gives no offical way of backing up [09:47] So basically I need to be 100% sure that no users are logged in to cover all bases [09:48] I have a script that kills all users, but I hate running it [09:48] so give the backup system a different user name [09:48] Now I did think of that, but hadn't thought about it since [09:48] That's a good idea and simple [09:49] Why didn't i just go for that before, trying to over engineer it [09:49] heh [09:54] morning all [09:56] Morning davmor2 [10:01] bigcalm: you got ICS yet? [10:02] hmmm [10:02] davmor2: not when I checked this morning [10:02] anyone else noticed that a recent update to precise causes grub to appear where previously it didnt? [10:02] popey: yes [10:02] my mum phoned because her computer has a box on the screen, and I just rebooted my server and its the same [10:02] no countdown, it just sits there [10:03] davmor2: I haven't got it either, need to find someone who still uses windows to run kies to update it [10:03] a box? [10:03] AlanBell: he means on the xoom [10:03] on the screen? [10:03] grub menu [10:03] ooo [10:04] i didn't update [10:04] ijust updated [10:04] i'll just not reboot [10:04] lol [10:04] please do, to confirm it [10:04] :) [10:04] AlanBell: this is an over the air for the xoom [10:04] type sudo shutdown -r [10:04] popey: I can confirm [10:04] also, for some reason my server no longer gets an IP address [10:05] ta [10:05] Oh dear [10:05] merlin? [10:05] no, home server [10:05] Oh [10:05] scary stuff [10:06] * AlanBell updates home server to see what happens [10:06] lol [10:06] if i put cyanogenmod on my phone, is it "good"? [10:06] i mean is it usable without crashing every day? [10:07] was fine when i used it [10:07] but i guess it depends on the version, hardware, how much you fiddle with bits [10:08] ali1234: I had CM 7.2 on my Nexus One and it improved it [10:08] Well, I started when it was v6, it's improved a lot and is very stable [10:08] I cannot say for CM 9 [10:08] ali1234: I've used 7.1 for months now and made massive improvements to my wildfire [10:08] hmm [10:09] Also my work colleague was having battery issues with his Desire for months [10:09] i'll try 9 and if it sucks put 7 on it [10:09] Eventually talked him into upgrading to cm7 and it fixed most of his issues [10:09] i've got samsung rom now, and it crashes every day :( [10:09] can't really be much worse [10:10] hmm software center has some new bits on it? [10:11] or it's just gone bananas? [10:12] http://ubuntuone.com/2E0o82BujwgU5Gim95HPYp [10:13] i figure the CM9 kernel should be mostly the same right? [10:14] Humm [10:14] My desktop isn't getting an IP now [10:14] Fudge [10:14] gosh [10:15] Today's upgrade was not a good one [10:15] I just had to set the connection manually [10:15] hum, nexus 7 pricepoint is much more agreeable to gord than ipads [10:17] what got upgraded, bigcalm? [10:17] Kernel [10:17] oh my [10:17] that reminds me, I need to setup stuff on my DHCP server [10:18] Ooh I upgraded earlier, not rebooted yet [10:18] * diplo leaves work PC on over weekend to get fix updates [10:19] dhcp3-client dhcp3-common grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common would seem likely to be the offending updates [10:19] is there some kind of OH NO IT IS ALL GOING WRONG procedure for this popey? [10:19] get those pulled from the archive or something [10:19] change the bulb [10:20] Haha [10:20] how many engineers does that take? ;) [10:20] Aye, it'll be dhcp at fault rather than the kernel [10:21] how did those not get caught in -proposed? [10:22] Someone rushing? [10:22] * bigcalm blames davmor2 [10:22] bigcalm: why me I don't test that stuff at all :P [10:23] davmor2: you're closer to hand, that's why ;) [10:25] bigcalm: well you can blame me all you want I don't have nothing to do with it, and won't fix it, at least blame gord or popey they are at least devs :P [10:30] I am _so_ not a dev [10:30] AlanBell, have you discovered a bug? [10:30] popey: more of a dev than I am :P [10:31] popey: not yet, I haven't rebooted, just installing updates [10:31] I didn't think popey was a dev? [10:31] i wouldn't blame me for dhcp problems. i still have to put my home server in my hosts file because i never figured out how to get it to work with dhcp [10:31] * bigcalm reads up [10:32] * bigcalm shuts down his server to install a 2nd 2.5" drive \o/ [10:45] Two 2.5" USB drives are now two 2.5" internal drives in the proliant! [10:45] Makes access time a bit quicker and removes the ugly USB cables :D [10:46] \o/ [10:47] Using the 2.5" -> 3.5" converters and SATA extension cables [10:47] Because of the drive sizes, the cables nestle nicely next to them [10:48] I feel like a proper geek today [10:48] i have a front loader bay thingy on my machine, cables are so neat and tidy [10:48] they all hide behind the back of the case even [10:50] ok, i'm puzzled. i installed the CM9 and the gapps zip but i don't have any gapps :( [10:50] My fingers are a little sore from using that special alan key for mounting the drives though [10:50] this is a lot faster than i was expecting [10:50] ali1234: it's odd I agree. But you'll have access to them via the play store [10:50] but i don't have play store link... [10:51] You don't? [10:51] Oh dear [10:51] i don't think so [10:51] Odd [10:51] Not still the old name ? [10:51] And need to update for it to fix [10:51] ? [10:51] Aye, might be market [10:51] i just installed the nightly build... [10:51] the gapps [10:51] i don't see either [10:51] Tsk. Why didn't you get the RC1? [10:52] Hmm, not seen that before. [10:52] cos the nightly is newer [10:52] and because there's no rc1 for this phone [10:52] ali1234: and more likely to be broken :) [10:52] Ah, you're living on the edge :) [10:55] reinstalled the zip from recovery, i think it might be working now [10:56] yes it worked [10:56] invoicing-- : [10:57] i really really really do not enjoy invoicing [10:59] hmm it doesn't remember all my apps? [11:00] christel: Done that tap yet ? [11:00] * bigcalm taps christel [11:00] Nope, should remember your wireless settings etc though [11:00] LUNCH! [11:02] LOONCH [11:02] Yes please bigcalm [11:02] bigcalm: norty. [11:02] diplo: not yet! i am er, doing some invoicing first! [11:04] Priorities :D [11:05] * diplo thinks google hangout is in order when you start :) [11:08] hahaha so you can all laugh at me when i get water EVERYWHERE? :P [11:09] heh yep [11:09] What other good uses are hangouts for [11:10] * gord is imagining something clsoe to http://www.gifbin.com/983856 [11:10] close* [11:12] lol [11:12] popey: bigcalm: I just installed precise server in a VM and updated and rebooted and it is fine [11:19] hmm [11:21] hello all [11:21] hi [11:22] hi popey [11:28] ali1234, the only thing that crashes on my CM is facebook if it start it too early after switching on phone, but thats fb issue [11:28] i had a crashy cm install on my touchpad once, but i reflashed it and the problems went away [11:32] I should be able to install CM9 without upgrading to stock ICS first right? [11:32] in chrome now, it is showing two flash plugins, the adobe one, and the pepperflash one, does it matter having both enabled, or should i disable one? [11:32] AlanBell: yes. [11:33] saw someone mention that chromium ppa in ubuntu hasn't recived updates since v18 [11:33] AlanBell: you will need engineering reoverry though, [11:33] oimon: that is correct. [11:33] recovery* [11:34] think i'll stick to firefox [11:36] AlanBell: yes, you're replacing the whole OS [11:36] ok, and from there I can install boot to gecko [11:38] AlanBell: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_II:_Full_Update_Guide [11:47] ICS is really good [11:47] they've fixed the super ugly g+ client too [11:48] ali1234: everybody sees that update === diddledan is now known as zz_diddledan [11:54] AlanBell: you going to try and run B2G on your phone ? [11:55] yeah probably [11:55] ooh, let me know how you get on [11:55] I don't have a device I can try it with yet === zz_diddledan is now known as diddledan [12:02] hello [12:05] * bigcalm scratches his head [12:06] I now have 52.2GB of space on my dropbox account - why? [12:06] I don't pay them any money [12:06] S3 recently ? [12:07] If so that's why :) [12:07] Ah :D [12:07] Heh [12:07] I didn't know that would happen [12:07] Think it's an agreement with Samsung [12:07] Though I was surprised that dropbox was installed by default [12:08] Email just came in: Congrats on becoming a Dropbox Guru! We've awarded you 48 GB of bonus space for the next 24 months! [12:08] 2 years only eh? [12:08] I won't go over my original limit then === diddledan is now known as zz_diddledan [12:11] Might as well make use of it ? [12:11] In 2 years dropbox may have dropped their prices [12:12] also in 2 years you will buy a new phone [12:12] I currently don't pay anything to dropbox, why would I want to start? [12:12] ali1234: possibly true [12:13] But in 2 years you just canccel [12:13] ? [12:13] Might as well use 50GB for 2 years === zz_diddledan is now known as diddledan [12:18] Anyway, I don't actually use that much [12:18] Me either, but I intend to use more when I can afford to get myself a better phone [12:19] The wildfire does work, but for stuff i want to do it dies a lot [12:19] :( [12:19] I'll be putting CM 7.2 onto Hayley's Wildfire at the weekend [12:19] Going to do mine tonight I think [12:19] Breath some life into it and stop her from wanting to buy a new phone [12:19] Oh, you haven't got it on there already? [12:19] Nope, 7.1 [12:19] Oh, but you do have CM :) [12:20] Couldn't be bothered with reinstalling apps [12:20] yeah [12:20] Apps are meant to install themselves if you have it set right [12:20] oh, know where that is set ? [12:21] It's a sync option when you add your gmail account. But I don't know how to re-activate it if you skipped it one 1st setup [12:23] Well I suppose would be good to know if it's activated in the first place === mrevell_ is now known as mrevell [12:29] When I added a gmail account to my SGS3, it automatically installed a load of apps I had on my nexus one [12:29] Oh, well looking here https://play.google.com/store/account [12:30] I can see a list of apps installed [12:30] So may just give it a go [12:30] not the end of the world :) [12:30] bigcalm: I've not seen that happen before, it didn't do it when I registered my tablet with the same gmail account [12:30] Titanium backup supposedly does some of the app reinstalling [12:44] bigcalm: that is exactly what didn't happen when i upgraded [12:44] i expected it would but it didn't [12:44] Oh well :) [12:47] anyone else find they are a me too on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1019233 [12:48] Ubuntu bug 1019233 in Launchpad itself "The "Contact this team's members" option is problematic for large projects" [High,Triaged] [12:48] Royal Mail are annoying. https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/218678706921684992/photo/1/large - this will be a birthday card [12:49] bigcalm: dude thanks for the heads up on update for the superhub for the modem only mode this seems less up/down than it was, speed fluctuates but I can deal with that [12:50] davmor2: great === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === myrtti is now known as Myrtti [12:54] http://www.ebuyer.com/388913-asus-nexus-7-tablet-pc-90ok0mi1100550u [12:54] oooo [12:55] was looking at that earlier [12:55] very good price [12:56] * dwatkins discovers his logins are slow due to bug 384017 [12:56] Launchpad bug 384017 in bash-completion (Ubuntu) "Loading /etc/bash_completion is slow" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/384017 [12:56] all i want a tablet to do is sit in a dock as a music player really [12:57] popey, gord: and yet it's $169 :( UK gets poo'd on again [12:58] Import costs? [12:58] VAT [12:58] the US price doesn't include taxes [12:58] the UK one does [12:59] yeah, you buy it from google directly you are gonna pay a lot more than you think [12:59] 8GB is £159 [12:59] it really does just look like a massive phone though [13:00] I can't talk now, I'm in the library! [13:01] popey, bigcalm: and 20% on to the uk equiv of $169 is £129.2628 [13:11] Hey folks :) [13:12] I've just published the Ubuntu speech input app onto google play, but im waiting for the desktop side app to clear the review process [13:15] i dont suppose that anyone knows anything about the review process for software going into software center? [13:15] I know it takes a while [13:15] davmor2: might! [13:15] hmm [13:16] gord: What? [13:17] The_Fred: davmor2 knows [13:18] davmor2, how long does it take for review process for the software center? [13:18] The_Fred: is it in the ARB Queue? [13:18] yea [13:18] 1 day, 19 hrs ago now [13:19] The_Fred: As long as it takes I'm afraid, They have regular meetings where they look at all the apps that have come in, sort out any issues and then get back to the devs, check the packaging and forward it to the extras ppa [13:20] ok, thanks for that [13:20] What did you create, The_Fred? I'm curious. [13:20] * bigcalm ponders learning python [13:20] extras repo even [13:20] dwatkins, speech input system for ubuntu [13:20] davmor2: why are we slower than apple and android? [13:20] bigcalm: DO IT! DO IT NOW!! [13:21] davmor2: what version though? [13:21] The_Fred: neat, I look forward to using it [13:21] AlanBell: man power? [13:21] how is it supposed to scale up if it can't cope already? [13:21] bigcalm: I'd echo davmor2's sentiment. Though it might make you realise how awful PHP is :) [13:22] dwatkins, thank you :) [13:22] AlanBell: because we don't have full automation, and they don't have to wait on a voluntary team to look at the packages, the Commercial apps have a dedicated team so they are released on a quicker basis [13:22] ormiret: PHP is my job. But Python is possibly needed now [13:22] * bigcalm grumbles at his boss [13:23] * bigcalm takes a shower to ponder it some more [13:23] bigcalm: Learn Python 3 it will be the default in 12.10, and it handles unicode properly which you will undoubtedly need at some point [13:23] heh [13:23] davmor2: I see [13:23] though you will still find python 2 on most production servers [13:23] I have an o'rly book on 2.4/2.6 which says it will help with 3.x [13:23] my ex boss just emailed me a screenshot of putty running top [13:23] your python 3 code won't work on 2 [13:24] showing me running top [13:24] python 2 handles unicode properly, jeez [13:24] from over 6 months ago [13:24] did someone ask a python unicode question? [13:24] runtime column has 4183:50 [13:24] davmor2, thats good news about py3... i had a hard time getting android app to play nice with python code on the desktop [13:24] cos if they did i missed it [13:24] popey: xkcd.com/686/ [13:25] AlanBell, it's genuinely creepy [13:25] Haha [13:26] ive often wondered what happens when someone dies and they are in charge of a project [13:26] like Linus Torvalds, when he passes on, who will take the helm? [13:27] he covered that in an interview [13:27] there's 4 or 5 people who could take over [13:27] greg kroah hartman and andrew morton will fight to the death in the thunderdome [13:27] aha === The_Fred is now known as The_Fred__away [13:35] bigcalm: i wouldn't be grumpy about that [13:35] sucession issues are interesting [13:36] * jacobw is of the opinion that stallman has already been suceeded [13:37] the transistion from optparse/argparse during python2 is a gotcha [13:39] * diplo is debugging python script as we speak :( === The_Fred__away is now known as The_Fred [13:48] bloomin eck bigcalm certainly had some rain didn't you [13:48] :) [13:48] Was bone dry here till 11/12pm [13:49] diplo: just a little :) https://plus.google.com/113834766641843352499/posts [13:49]