[00:17] <snap-l> Whooo-wee. 90f in the en
[00:17] <snap-l> den
[00:19] <snap-l> MB Temperature:    +61.0°C  (high = +45.0°C, crit = +95.0°C)
[00:23] <Blazeix>  cool, jquery 2.0 (in 2013) will drop IE 6/7/8 support
[00:54] <rick_h_> http://press.oreilly.com/pub/pr/2931 very cool
[00:55] <rick_h_> and now http://post.oreilly.com/form/oreillynotifications/viewhtml/9z1z5mubn237ojq19na1i2pj5hqsgki8rq0k3hvcbbo?imm_mid=08d215&cmp=em-npa-mailings-drop-box-release-june2012
[01:00] <greg-g> whoa, nice
[01:14] <rick_h_> http://teespring.com/pycoders
[01:41] <rick_h_> man, poor mozilla is feeling a bit like they've missed a chance
[01:43] <widox> rick_h_: heh, hope that order doesn't take as long as the vim t-shirt did
[01:43] <widox> that's pretty awesome, sync your books over to dropbox
[01:43] <rick_h_> widox: heh yea, but gotta support the Python folks
[01:45] <rick_h_> yea, I like that oreilly has done that. I know I get emails and redownload my book, then resync to my kindle
[01:45] <rick_h_> kinda cool if updates and such just appear on my machine via dropbox
[01:45] <rick_h_> and now it's on my phone, soon to have tablet, etc
[01:46] <widox> rick_h_: you bought a tablet?
[01:46] <widox> which one
[01:46] <rick_h_> yea, suckered into that nexus 7
[01:46] <widox> :D
[01:46] <rick_h_> price, new os got me
[01:46] <rick_h_> and my desire to tinker with bookie on mobile
[01:46] <widox> the specs sounds pretty great for it
[01:47] <rick_h_> yea, engadget raved on it basically
[01:47] <rick_h_> seems they're selling at cost/right at in order to sell and get people getting stuff from Play
[01:47] <rick_h_> and devs handle them, start doing more mobile stuff
[01:48] <widox> I've been kicking around the idea of getting one
[01:48] <rick_h_> yea, with derekv doing android stuff with bookie and I want to do some UI updates that'll be two pane, list on left readable on the right
[01:48] <rick_h_> so this one finally kicked me off the fence
[01:49] <widox> cool
[02:09] <rick_h_> tip of the day: try out ctrl-o in the chrome dev tools
[02:19] <widox> rick_h_: slick!
[02:20] <rick_h_> yea, missed that was there
[02:20] <rick_h_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk-tFn2Ix6g&feature=youtu.be
[02:35] <snap-l> Yeah, 've used their Dropbox syncing
[02:37] <rick_h_> pragmatic had it back at last year it looks like
[02:37] <rick_h_> and oreilly just added it as well
[02:37] <snap-l> Yeah, couple weeks back
[02:37] <rick_h_> I need to just stop buying things form amazon when it's on oreilly
[02:37] <rick_h_> they really have done a good job with that
[02:37] <snap-l> Yes
[02:37] <snap-l> yes yes yes
[02:38] <snap-l> Amazon for the stupid publishers, and the smart publisher sites for the smart ones
[02:38] <snap-l> (Penguin Books, Harper Collins)
[11:51] <rick_h_> morning
[11:51] <rick_h_> ugh, tgif
[11:52] <rick_h_> and wooo! cooler weather! only 95 today
[11:53] <rick_h_> geeze, Blazeix the HN comment crowd are cranky over this IE support dropping in jquery 2
[11:54] <brousch> Eh? What?
[11:55] <rick_h_> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4174550
[11:55] <brousch> Wow
[11:55] <brousch> Dropping IE8 is bad
[11:56] <rick_h_> it's years from now
[11:56] <brousch> Windows XP can only have IE8
[11:56] <rick_h_> right, and XP is damn near what? 10-11 years old
[11:56] <brousch> It is supported until 2014
[11:56] <rick_h_> right when this change goes into effect
[11:57] <rick_h_> the 1.9 will be supported until 2014/15
[11:57] <brousch> Hm
[11:57] <brousch> XP will live forever
[11:58] <rick_h_> enjoy broken things then
[11:58] <rick_h_> I can't go pull out OS9 and expect to have safari on it
[11:59] <rick_h_> the party has to end sometime, thank goodness it's starting
[11:59] <brousch> It does sound reasonable, but I think the announcement long before the EOL is confusing. I mean, who reads the article?
[11:59] <rick_h_> lol
[11:59] <rick_h_> well I think they feel that they have to be very public and let everyone get their crap together
[12:00] <rick_h_> "this is the plan...this will effect you...you will have to work along side us on this or else your stuff will be broken in IE<8 in a couple of years
[12:01] <brousch> What kind of web technoogy plans years ahead?
[12:01] <brousch> Crazy-talk
[12:02] <rick_h_> jquery, the windows of the web world...and they want to put their XP out to pasture as well and get to 2.0
[12:06] <shakes808> mroning
[12:06] <shakes808> morning
[12:07] <rick_h_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5931rOHdUVA&feature=player_embedded lol
[12:19] <brousch> rick_h_: Are you and snap-l staying at the Blackwell again for PyOhio?
[12:23] <shakes808> http://shirt.woot.com/
[12:23] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, I need to call on that
[12:24] <brousch> There will be 5 or 6 of us from GRPUG, but we're staying at the Red Roof Inn again
[12:30] <Blazeix> eh, just use conditional comments to target older versions of IE
[12:33] <rick_h_> yea, the comments go nuts on that as 'ugly' and 'no conditional comments in ie10' and more work, etc
[12:33] <rick_h_> I'm meh, but a quick run through the comments suprised me on how much people are against the move
[12:38] <brousch> They will probably end up with a separate package to support really old browser
[12:39] <rick_h_> fork it! fork it!
[12:41] <brousch> fork you!
[12:47] <brousch> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/ZhoXzDMziGQ/adobe-stops-flash-player-support-for-android
[12:48] <brousch> As much as I hate flash, it was one of the things Android had that iOS didn't
[12:48] <brousch> And with Chrome on iOS, Android no longer has that as an advantage either
[12:53] <rick_h_> heh yea, but all the iOS peeps are finding the issues with it
[12:54] <rick_h_> "oh, you don't get access to the nitro JS engine, only apple gets that so JS is slower"
[12:54] <rick_h_> "oh, you can't change iOS to open links in Chrome, so you still end up in safari all day"
[12:56] <brousch> heh
[14:09] <brousch> Hm, it seems strange that I have to write my own script to easily install pip for python3.2
[14:09] <brousch> Am I missing something, or do I need to manually get and install Distribute, then get and install Pip?
[14:40] <jrwren> rick_h_: your next yrs goals should be to convince folks to discontinue the products and move to git and github.
[14:41] <jrwren> ... or... compete with git and github head on. competition is good.
[14:41] <rick_h_> jrwren: :P
[14:53] <brousch> A launchpad -> github migration tool
[14:54] <rick_h_> yep, just let me know when github suports bugs against packages in different distributions/versions, upstream bug tracking, package building
[14:56] <brousch> See, there's still work for you to do even if you do migrate ;)
[16:37] <snap-l> Howdy
[16:37] <rick_h_> party
[16:37] <snap-l> Was head-down geting some automation working
[16:38] <rick_h_> now that it's automated time to go home for friday?
[16:38] <snap-l> Nothing more nerve-wracking than a silently-running process.
[16:38] <rick_h_> heh, you're speaking my day
[16:38] <rick_h_> INSERT 0 1
[16:38] <snap-l> did it finish? Did it bomb? Did it order 1 million mojitos?
[16:38] <rick_h_> "you still goin?!"
[16:40] <greg-g> snap-l: so you just inserted a whole bunch of println's, right?
[16:41] <greg-g> "I'm getting ready to call THIS function"
[16:41] <greg-g> "I just excited THIS function"
[16:41] <greg-g> excited? exited.
[16:45] <snap-l> ;)
[16:45] <snap-l> There's debug logging, but it's still nervous-making
[16:49] <rick_h_> "ah crap, that comma is out of place" ...starts the run again
[16:50] <snap-l> rick_h_: Ugh
[16:51] <snap-l> greg-g: Did you see my pastebin re that band that wanted to be played on OMC?
[16:51] <snap-l> Unfortunately I don't think anything came of it yet.
[16:52] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/raw/ZGm64vbGFP9GmT85R2U4/ <- last mail I sentt to them
[16:57] <snap-l> Dippy network just blipped
[17:25] <snap-l> And now to hide in the land of AC
[17:25] <snap-l> aka the bedroom
[18:06] <snap-l> Man, my network is really flaky today
[18:08] <brousch> This Botbrew Python on android thing has turned into quite the hackfest
[18:08] <brousch> The current pip is broken on certain systems, so I have to install the development pip into the system and into each virtualenv
[18:11] <rick_h_> brousch: but at least there's an updated pip to get I guess
[18:11] <brousch> But, the upside is that I can create virtualenvs on Android
[18:11] <rick_h_> very cool
[18:11] <rick_h_> I look forward to seeing how far you get with it come next month
[18:11] <brousch> Yeah, it looks like my forked virtualenv is not longer needed, which is nice
[18:13] <brousch> Well at this point you should be able to develop in a virtualenv on Android using any pure python module and any module that is in the embedian repo, which is a smaller, ARM-based version of the debian repo
[18:14] <brousch> Sorry, emdebian repo
[18:15] <brousch> http://www.emdebian.org/grip/index.html
[18:21] <brousch> You do need a rooted phone to run BotBrew Basil, and an ext2 partition on your SD card to hold the virtualenvs
[18:28] <brousch> I definitely need to blog this before I forget it all
[18:29] <rick_h_> definitely, wiki/readme docs setup
[18:43] <brousch> And biggidy-bam django running on Android in a virtualenv
[18:46] <_stink_> crayzay
[18:49] <greg-g> why not? constant 3g connection (for various definitions of "constant") and more power than many webservers 10 years ago, why not run your homepage off your phone?
[18:50] <jrwren> too easy to dos
[18:50] <greg-g> :)
[18:52] <brousch> greg-g: You can't connect to it over 3g
[18:52] <brousch> All of the mobile phone services firewall incoming connections
[18:58] <greg-g> oh, right
[18:58] <greg-g> well then, screw that
[18:58] <greg-g> ;)
[18:58] <greg-g> there was some talk I watch a little bit off that talked about this, I forget who/where but I'm sure it's been talked about a lot. I think he mentioned that, but I apparently forgot
[19:00] <brousch> My goal is to be able to develop regular Python programs on Android, with all of the niceties like virtualenv
[19:28] <jrwren> but maybe you'll get ipv6 in the future :)
[19:29] <brousch> It is perfectly understandable. Image everyone's phone exposed to the unfiltered Internet
[19:29] <brousch> Imagine
[19:32] <greg-g> Imagine all the people... living life in peace whoo ooo ooo uuuu
[19:34] <snap-l> Yeah I don't think we're ready for phones to be on the unfiltered internet
[19:35] <brousch> I don't put anything except a firewall on the unfiltered internet
[19:35] <greg-g> I already put Rowan on the unfiltered internet, he brought down half of the west coast
[19:36] <brousch> Impressive
[19:36] <greg-g> Google sent him a recruiter email
[19:36] <greg-g> (actually, I got a Google recruiter email for my python experience, hahahahaha)
[19:38] <greg-g> (I think it is because I'm listed as a dev for Gwibber, which was really all of like 30 lines of code)
[19:40] <snap-l> greg-g: THat's more than I've contributed to Gwibber. ;)
[19:40] <greg-g> most of mine was even copy/paste edit the few lines that need to change
[19:42] <snap-l> https://code.launchpad.net/~craig-decafbad/gwibber/https-support
[19:43] <snap-l> (it was rejected)
[19:50] <jrwren> my linux box is on unfiltered internet right now, with no firewall.
[19:50] <jrwren> iptables is empty.
[19:50] <jrwren> am I crazy?
[19:51] <greg-g> but it also isn't listening on many ports
[19:58] <brousch> Any other east siders going to PyOhio?
[19:59] <greg-g> (I don't really get the unfiltered internet scare)
[20:01] <brousch> That's because you don't run Windows
[20:02] <snap-l> brousch: Probably, but not sure who
[20:02] <snap-l> jrwren: No, you worked in academia for too long. ;)
[20:03] <snap-l> greg-g: The filtered internet is to ensure that you haven't left something open unintentionally
[20:04] <snap-l> ie: If I lock my gate, the liklihood of someone enterint my house through an opened window in the back yard is reduced
[20:04] <snap-l> (facing the back yard)
[20:04] <greg-g> bah :)
[20:04] <snap-l> bad analogy
[20:04] <snap-l> but you get the point
[20:10] <jrwren> i made sure to turn off mysql.
[20:10] <jrwren> it is listening on a lot.
[20:11] <jrwren> comcast filters the samba ports for me
[20:14] <greg-g> heh "for me"
[20:19] <snap-l> My router is my firewall
[20:19] <snap-l> checked it with Shields Up!
[20:21] <greg-g> lol "Without your knowledge or explicit permission, the Windows networking technology which connects your computer to the Internet may be offering some or all of your computer's data to the entire world at this very moment!"
[20:21] <greg-g> I'm going to say no
[20:22] <snap-l> greg-g: There's some old info on that page
[20:22] <jrwren> zomg, all kinds of scary ports.
[20:23] <jrwren> look at this scary stuff: https://gist.github.com/3020427
[20:24] <greg-g> apparently I'm stealth for 0-1055 ports
[20:24] <snap-l> I have 22 open, but I know about that.
[20:27] <brousch> I always move ssh to some other port, usually 22<natted IP>
[20:27] <snap-l> I turned off password login, so if you don't have a key, you're not getting in
[20:27]  * greg-g nods
[20:27] <snap-l> if I get paranoid, I'll have ssh into a DMZ.
[20:31] <jrwren> i'm singing dixie chicks about my open ports.
[20:31] <jrwren> "wide open spaces"
[20:32] <greg-g> lol
[20:43] <snap-l> jrwren: Well, when you get owned, you'll at least know how. ;)
[20:44] <snap-l> God, Skype is a real POS>
[20:44] <brousch> It used to be awesome, then MS bought it
[20:45] <snap-l> It installs 100s of 386 libraries
[20:45] <jrwren> i'll probably firewall some ports.
[21:25] <jrwren> https://gist.github.com/2929272  some real gems in here
[22:30] <greg-g> wait, when did audible get bought by amazon?
[22:30] <greg-g> or was it always?
[23:06] <rick_h_> greg-g: 3yrs ago maybe?
[23:06] <rick_h_> greg-g: ok, so 4yrs http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/amazoncom-buys-audible-march-into-digital-content-distribution-continues/7818
[23:07] <greg-g> huh, interesting
[23:07] <greg-g> I was wondering why I got emails from amazon pointing me to audible :)
[23:25] <rick_h_> bah apple http://goo.gl/b38DA
[23:25] <rick_h_> ugh
[23:25] <derekv> corrrrperations
[23:26] <greg-g> what the fucking fuckity fuck fuck fuck
[23:26] <greg-g> stupid ass software patents
[23:26] <rick_h_> yea, evidently you can patent looking up data in two places
[23:27] <greg-g> that one got me
[23:27] <rick_h_> Reuters reports that the decision appears to have been driven by Apple's claim to the patent to search multiple sources, which Apple says is the basis of Siri.
[23:27] <greg-g> hilarious
[23:27] <rick_h_> new rule, you can patent something in tech for 12mo /18mo max
[23:27] <greg-g> "no shit"
[23:27] <rick_h_> after that, fair game
[23:28] <rick_h_> so what's funny is that it isn't against the nexus 7 because it's a tablet device and hte tablet doesn't have siri yet
[23:29] <rick_h_> but guess that's coming on ios6, so they better ship my tablet before ios6 comes out
[23:29] <brousch> geez
[23:30] <brousch> You know, I think I might use Evernote for my ebooks instead of Dropbox. In Evernote the whole thing is indexed and searchable
[23:30] <brousch> rick_h_: Did you order a Nexus 7?
[23:30] <rick_h_> yea
[23:30] <brousch> No more Kindle?
[23:30] <rick_h_> I'll read on the kindle
[23:30] <rick_h_> I want the tablet for other stuff and to tinker with mobile dev on it
[23:31] <rick_h_> thinking stuff like watching these youtube google io talks, irc/email and such in post-work hours
[23:31] <brousch> I love hacking the crap out of my Nook Color
[23:31] <rick_h_> but mainly my dev itch to play with web dev on different mobile form factors and maybe eventually get off my @#$#@ and try out some android stuff
[23:32] <rick_h_> yea, why I like this, it's a nexus, all the reviews raving on the hardware, and price point is low enough that if I end up not really digging it, I can sell it without much loss I'd bet
[23:33] <brousch> Yeah, low cost is nice, and 7" is the perfect size
[23:33] <derekv> new rule, patent enforcement must show that a method was stolen or copied, not mearly mimicked, emulated or independently conceived
[23:35] <brousch> New rule: all judges must be able to program
[23:38] <derekv> a plausible theory of irreparable harm long-term loss of market share and losses of downstream sales will now be put forward by apple against all other existing corporations
[23:39] <derekv> just think of the billions of dollars apple losses due to the fact that other organizations exist.
[23:48] <rick_h_> anyone using firefox for android? I can't seem to find a way for the sync to let me pull up tabs off my desktop browser
[23:49] <derekv> i use it sometimes but i've never hooked it up to syn
[23:49] <derekv> i should
[23:49] <derekv> I guess
[23:49] <derekv> my phone feels really slow
[23:49] <brousch> i haven't tried tab sync
[23:50] <rick_h_> it doesn't seem to do it from what i can tell
[23:51] <brousch> Trying it now. Activating sync
[23:52] <rick_h_> let me know if you get it to do it
[23:57] <brousch> I can see desktop tabs on my phone
[23:57] <rick_h_> where at?
[23:58] <brousch> Way down at the bottom, tiny link
[23:58] <brousch> "Show all tabs"
[23:59] <rick_h_> hmm, is that firefox for firefox beta?