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jacobwbad webpigeon06:34
MartijnVdSAzelphur: Gnome 15?06:41
MartijnVdSAzelphur: I thought it was only up to 3.x06:42
MartijnVdSOr are they using Chrome-style versions now06:42
jacobwif DEVELOPER_BORED { version++; }06:48
jacobwthe german keyboard layout is a little unfriendly06:48
jacobwwhy is the / shift+7 and @ alt-gr+q ?!06:49
MartijnVdSjacobw: You can just set the layout to something you like more :)06:50
MartijnVdSjacobw: the pictures on the keys don't matter06:50
jacobwi'm making an effort to learn the german keyboard layout06:51
MartijnVdSDAS DEUTSCHE LAYOUT06:51
jacobwmy keyboard is has a UK layout, i've purposefully changed it06:51
jacobwhere's another thing, { is alt-gr+7 and } is alt-gr+006:55
dwatkinsThe German kezboard lazout is easz to learn...06:55
jacobwnot even consequetive keys!06:55
jacobwat least the € is alt-gr+e which actually makes sense07:01
MartijnVdSalso AltGr+5 I think?07:10
jacobw½07:20
jacobwalt-gr+4 on gb07:21
* MartijnVdS uses US-Intl-Nodeadkeys07:24
MartijnVdSMost keyboards in NL have US layout instead of NL layout07:24
jacobwbeing in vim and not being able to find ':' is the most distressing ting07:26
MartijnVdSat least ESC is in the same palce07:27
jacobwwhen i tried to learn dvorak, the vim problem sapped my motivation07:27
czajkowskihttps://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=502  if anyone is job hunting we have 4 soft eng roles open on my team07:41
dwatkinsWe have 4 support roles if anyone in Edinburgh is looking for a technical role.07:48
MooDoohello all07:58
jacobwhey MonsterKiller08:00
jacobwMooDoo even08:01
MooDoolol08:01
AlanBellmorning all08:02
AlanBellWolverhampton on the telly08:02
popeymorning08:03
czajkowskiherro08:04
MooDooAlanBell: olympic flame?08:08
brobostigongood morning everyone.08:10
MooDoobrobostigon: morning08:10
brobostigonmorning MooDoo08:10
MooDooanother fab day of stuff in nottingham and i'm at work lol08:12
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brobostigon:(08:12
AlanBellMooDoo: yeah Blue Peter live event and flame08:13
jacobwah, flame08:14
MooDooAlanBell: yeah saw it yesterday in Bakewell08:15
* brobostigon has his own flame, he waves his lighter in the air.08:16
MooDoowhat's everyone doing this weekend?  Anything exiting?09:13
brobostigonno plan as of yet.09:13
MartijnVdSReplacing a Win 98 machine for moneys :)09:15
MartijnVdSWe've guesstimated (based on the CPU) that the machine is really 14 years old09:17
popeyquiet day today10:47
Seeker`ssssshhhhhhhhhh10:47
Seeker`how are you?10:48
popeyfine thanks :)10:48
MooDooit's just started raining up here :S10:50
popeybigcalm, happy birthday ! :D11:40
matttHAAAAAAI12:27
christelhappy bigcalm day!12:47
JoeboyHi. Anybody here able to help me with a packaging proglem? Trying to rebuild gdb-msp430 and (I think) it's failing at patching the source. See13:14
Joeboyhttp://pastebin.com/c6FjSFrm13:14
ali1234why you use debuild?13:15
JoeboyIs that not right?13:15
ali1234use fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage13:15
ali1234this never failed for me13:15
JoeboyBecause I don't really know what I'm doing :-)13:15
ali1234not the first time anyway13:15
ali1234sometimes packages are broken and will only build once, then you have to delete the source to build it again13:15
JoeboyYeah, just doing that13:16
ali1234if you find a package like that do report it as a bug13:16
ali1234it probably won't get fixed, but it is still a bug13:16
JoeboyI'm  bit unconfident about reporting build bugs as I suspect they'll mostly be pebcak errors, until I know what I'm doing a bit better13:16
Joeboyali1234: That gives me exactly the same error as in the paste ^13:17
ali1234ok, is it the second build?13:18
JoeboyWell, not exaclty, but very similar13:18
ali1234dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.13:18
Joeboyaha13:18
ali1234dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: gdb-source (>= 7.2)13:18
Joeboysorry, I suck13:18
ali1234sudo apt-get build-dep13:18
ali1234oh wait you did that13:20
JoeboyYeah, I did13:20
JoeboyJust did it again, gratuitously, and unsurprisingly it didn't help13:21
ali1234ok lemme try to build this13:21
JoeboyThanks13:22
JoeboyJust to warn you... if I manage to build it at all I'm going to be trying to patch it next13:22
directhexali1234 is correct, the "clean" rule should always return a source tree to pristine state13:22
directhexoften won't but should13:22
JoeboyFor the moment I'm just going to go with rm -rf13:22
Joeboycos I trust it13:23
JoeboyI'm running 12.04, btw13:24
ali1234ok it failed here13:24
Joeboyw00t13:24
ali1234same error, patches fail to apply13:24
JoeboyIs that a but I could legitimately report then?13:24
ali1234yes13:25
Joeboys/but/bug/13:25
JoeboyCool13:25
JoeboyThanks13:25
JoeboyGlad it's not just me :-)13:25
ali1234msp430 is the TI low power chip, right?13:25
JoeboyYeah13:25
JoeboyThere's a popular dev board for it (launchpad)13:26
JoeboyKinda like an even lower end arduino13:26
ali1234bug is already reported13:26
ali1234bug 93509813:26
lubotu3Launchpad bug 935098 in gdb-msp430 (Ubuntu Precise) "gdb-msp430 version 7.2~mspgcc-7.2-20110612-1ubuntu1 FTBFS on i386 in precise" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93509813:27
JoeboyThanks13:27
ali1234FTBFS = fail to build from source13:27
ali1234there's an upstream fix13:28
JoeboyDoes "fix releaased" mean there's a package, or just a commit on github somewhere?13:29
ali1234in this case it means it's fixed in debian13:29
JoeboyCool13:29
JoeboyHi Hornet13:29
ali1234that likely means it will be fixed in quantal when the newer packages are imported13:29
JoeboyCool. So, if I wanted to get this working nowish... what would you do if you were me?13:30
ali1234you need to regenerate those patches13:30
ali1234actually there is only 1 patch13:31
JoeboyThanks for all your help ali123413:34
ali1234ok13:35
ali1234this should fix it13:35
ali1234edit gdb/sim/configure13:35
ali1234search for "microblaze"13:36
Joeboy...add msp430 ?13:37
ali1234no13:37
Joeboyk13:37
ali1234delete the line that says r17813:37
Joeboyk13:37
ali1234the patch will add msp430 but the patch expects that r178 line to not be there13:38
ali1234so it fails13:38
ali1234you could also do the reverse and add r178 to the patch but editing patches is harder13:38
JoeboyIt still fails after doing that13:39
ali1234yeah13:39
ali1234is it unpacking something?13:39
ali1234it must be runing autotools to generate configure before patching13:40
JoeboyThere's a tar xjf /usr/src/gdb*.tar.bz2 in the output13:40
ali1234so there is13:41
ali1234ok, let's fix the patch, that can't fail13:41
Laneyag13:41
Laneymy glorious sunny day turned rainy13:41
JoeboyLaney: We got tempestuous rain here a while ago, but only for about 10 minutes13:42
ali1234so open msp430-gdb-7.2-20110103.patch and find the line from configure, with microblaze13:42
JoeboyI'm there13:42
LaneyJoeboy: i'm holed up in a coffee shop in shorts + tshirt13:43
Laneywith 5 miles to bike home13:43
Laneybetter stop!13:43
ali1234after "+msp430" and a line with " r178" (note leading space)13:43
ali1234now dpkg-source fails because we edited that patch13:43
ali1234commit that with dpkg-source --commit13:45
ali1234and it still fails13:45
Joeboyali1234: This is the most awesome free tech support ever13:45
ali1234unbelievable it still fails13:48
ali1234i recommend you just build this stuff manually and do not use the packaging13:49
Joeboy:-)13:49
ali1234this whole "untar gdb source from /usr/src and then patch it using one giant patch"13:50
JoeboyThanks again for your efforts13:50
ali1234it's going to make it unworkable if you try to add more changes13:50
ali1234you should untar gdb somewhere, initialize it as a git repo, apply the linaro msp430 patch, fix the rejects by hand (easy), and then make whatever changes you need and install it to /usr/local13:50
JoeboyOk, I just installed the debian package. No obvious ill-effects so far.13:54
ali1234yeah... you won't be able to patch it though :)13:54
ali1234not easily anyway13:54
JoeboyIt doesn't seem to have the bug the ubuntu package did though13:55
Joeboyso it's all good :-)13:55
ggg4444can someone help me with my void 11 problem?15:01
gordi think webpigeon* may be having troubles ;)17:04
brobostigonagreed.17:04
Prisoftwarehello18:35
* penguin42 wonders is anything won't survive tonights leapsecond20:20
AzelphurMartijnVdS: "gnome15" rather than gnome version 1520:30
AzelphurMartijnVdS: http://gnome15.org20:30
ballIs it difficult to have an Ubuntu (in my case Xubuntu) host join a Windows Workgroup?   I want to share my printer.21:09
directhexball: workgroup? no.21:13
balldirecthex: What's the secret incantation? ;-)21:13
directhexball: install samba, and i think you can set the workgroup name via  agui (if not it's a 1-line setting in smb.conf)21:15
balldirecthex: Thanks, I have a Samba book at home so I'll grep that when I get home.21:16
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