[06:34] <jacobw> bad webpigeon
[06:41] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Gnome 15?
[06:42] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I thought it was only up to 3.x
[06:42] <MartijnVdS> Or are they using Chrome-style versions now
[06:48] <jacobw> if DEVELOPER_BORED { version++; }
[06:48] <jacobw> the german keyboard layout is a little unfriendly
[06:49] <jacobw> why is the / shift+7 and @ alt-gr+q ?!
[06:50] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: You can just set the layout to something you like more :)
[06:50] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: the pictures on the keys don't matter
[06:51] <jacobw> i'm making an effort to learn the german keyboard layout
[06:51] <MartijnVdS> DAS DEUTSCHE LAYOUT
[06:51] <jacobw> my keyboard is has a UK layout, i've purposefully changed it
[06:55] <jacobw> here's another thing, { is alt-gr+7 and } is alt-gr+0
[06:55] <dwatkins> The German kezboard lazout is easz to learn...
[06:55] <jacobw> not even consequetive keys!
[07:01] <jacobw> at least the € is alt-gr+e which actually makes sense
[07:10] <MartijnVdS> also AltGr+5 I think?
[07:20] <jacobw> ½
[07:21] <jacobw> alt-gr+4 on gb
[07:24]  * MartijnVdS uses US-Intl-Nodeadkeys
[07:24] <MartijnVdS> Most keyboards in NL have US layout instead of NL layout
[07:26] <jacobw> being in vim and not being able to find ':' is the most distressing ting
[07:27] <MartijnVdS> at least ESC is in the same palce
[07:27] <jacobw> when i tried to learn dvorak, the vim problem sapped my motivation
[07:41] <czajkowski> https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=502  if anyone is job hunting we have 4 soft eng roles open on my team
[07:48] <dwatkins> We have 4 support roles if anyone in Edinburgh is looking for a technical role.
[07:58] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:00] <jacobw> hey MonsterKiller
[08:01] <jacobw> MooDoo even
[08:01] <MooDoo> lol
[08:02] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:02] <AlanBell> Wolverhampton on the telly
[08:03] <popey> morning
[08:04] <czajkowski> herro
[08:08] <MooDoo> AlanBell: olympic flame?
[08:10] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:10] <MooDoo> brobostigon: morning
[08:10] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:12] <MooDoo> another fab day of stuff in nottingham and i'm at work lol
[08:12] <brobostigon> :(
[08:13] <AlanBell> MooDoo: yeah Blue Peter live event and flame
[08:14] <jacobw> ah, flame
[08:15] <MooDoo> AlanBell: yeah saw it yesterday in Bakewell
[08:16]  * brobostigon has his own flame, he waves his lighter in the air.
[09:13] <MooDoo> what's everyone doing this weekend?  Anything exiting?
[09:13] <brobostigon> no plan as of yet.
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> Replacing a Win 98 machine for moneys :)
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> We've guesstimated (based on the CPU) that the machine is really 14 years old
[10:47] <popey> quiet day today
[10:47] <Seeker`> ssssshhhhhhhhhh
[10:48] <Seeker`> how are you?
[10:48] <popey> fine thanks :)
[10:50] <MooDoo> it's just started raining up here :S
[11:40] <popey> bigcalm, happy birthday ! :D
[12:27] <mattt> HAAAAAAI
[12:47] <christel> happy bigcalm day!
[13:14] <Joeboy> Hi. Anybody here able to help me with a packaging proglem? Trying to rebuild gdb-msp430 and (I think) it's failing at patching the source. See
[13:14] <Joeboy> http://pastebin.com/c6FjSFrm
[13:15] <ali1234> why you use debuild?
[13:15] <Joeboy> Is that not right?
[13:15] <ali1234> use fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage
[13:15] <ali1234> this never failed for me
[13:15] <Joeboy> Because I don't really know what I'm doing :-)
[13:15] <ali1234> not the first time anyway
[13:15] <ali1234> sometimes packages are broken and will only build once, then you have to delete the source to build it again
[13:16] <Joeboy> Yeah, just doing that
[13:16] <ali1234> if you find a package like that do report it as a bug
[13:16] <ali1234> it probably won't get fixed, but it is still a bug
[13:16] <Joeboy> I'm  bit unconfident about reporting build bugs as I suspect they'll mostly be pebcak errors, until I know what I'm doing a bit better
[13:17] <Joeboy> ali1234: That gives me exactly the same error as in the paste ^
[13:18] <ali1234> ok, is it the second build?
[13:18] <Joeboy> Well, not exaclty, but very similar
[13:18] <ali1234> dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
[13:18] <Joeboy> aha
[13:18] <ali1234> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: gdb-source (>= 7.2)
[13:18] <Joeboy> sorry, I suck
[13:18] <ali1234> sudo apt-get build-dep
[13:20] <ali1234> oh wait you did that
[13:20] <Joeboy> Yeah, I did
[13:21] <Joeboy> Just did it again, gratuitously, and unsurprisingly it didn't help
[13:21] <ali1234> ok lemme try to build this
[13:22] <Joeboy> Thanks
[13:22] <Joeboy> Just to warn you... if I manage to build it at all I'm going to be trying to patch it next
[13:22] <directhex> ali1234 is correct, the "clean" rule should always return a source tree to pristine state
[13:22] <directhex> often won't but should
[13:22] <Joeboy> For the moment I'm just going to go with rm -rf
[13:23] <Joeboy> cos I trust it
[13:24] <Joeboy> I'm running 12.04, btw
[13:24] <ali1234> ok it failed here
[13:24] <Joeboy> w00t
[13:24] <ali1234> same error, patches fail to apply
[13:24] <Joeboy> Is that a but I could legitimately report then?
[13:25] <ali1234> yes
[13:25] <Joeboy> s/but/bug/
[13:25] <Joeboy> Cool
[13:25] <Joeboy> Thanks
[13:25] <Joeboy> Glad it's not just me :-)
[13:25] <ali1234> msp430 is the TI low power chip, right?
[13:25] <Joeboy> Yeah
[13:26] <Joeboy> There's a popular dev board for it (launchpad)
[13:26] <Joeboy> Kinda like an even lower end arduino
[13:26] <ali1234> bug is already reported
[13:26] <ali1234> bug 935098
[13:27] <Joeboy> Thanks
[13:27] <ali1234> FTBFS = fail to build from source
[13:28] <ali1234> there's an upstream fix
[13:29] <Joeboy> Does "fix releaased" mean there's a package, or just a commit on github somewhere?
[13:29] <ali1234> in this case it means it's fixed in debian
[13:29] <Joeboy> Cool
[13:29] <Joeboy> Hi Hornet
[13:29] <ali1234> that likely means it will be fixed in quantal when the newer packages are imported
[13:30] <Joeboy> Cool. So, if I wanted to get this working nowish... what would you do if you were me?
[13:30] <ali1234> you need to regenerate those patches
[13:31] <ali1234> actually there is only 1 patch
[13:34] <Joeboy> Thanks for all your help ali1234
[13:35] <ali1234> ok
[13:35] <ali1234> this should fix it
[13:35] <ali1234> edit gdb/sim/configure
[13:36] <ali1234> search for "microblaze"
[13:37] <Joeboy> ...add msp430 ?
[13:37] <ali1234> no
[13:37] <Joeboy> k
[13:37] <ali1234> delete the line that says r178
[13:37] <Joeboy> k
[13:38] <ali1234> the patch will add msp430 but the patch expects that r178 line to not be there
[13:38] <ali1234> so it fails
[13:38] <ali1234> you could also do the reverse and add r178 to the patch but editing patches is harder
[13:39] <Joeboy> It still fails after doing that
[13:39] <ali1234> yeah
[13:39] <ali1234> is it unpacking something?
[13:40] <ali1234> it must be runing autotools to generate configure before patching
[13:40] <Joeboy> There's a tar xjf /usr/src/gdb*.tar.bz2 in the output
[13:41] <ali1234> so there is
[13:41] <ali1234> ok, let's fix the patch, that can't fail
[13:41] <Laney> ag
[13:41] <Laney> my glorious sunny day turned rainy
[13:42] <Joeboy> Laney: We got tempestuous rain here a while ago, but only for about 10 minutes
[13:42] <ali1234> so open msp430-gdb-7.2-20110103.patch and find the line from configure, with microblaze
[13:42] <Joeboy> I'm there
[13:43] <Laney> Joeboy: i'm holed up in a coffee shop in shorts + tshirt
[13:43] <Laney> with 5 miles to bike home
[13:43] <Laney> better stop!
[13:43] <ali1234> after "+msp430" and a line with " r178" (note leading space)
[13:43] <ali1234> now dpkg-source fails because we edited that patch
[13:45] <ali1234> commit that with dpkg-source --commit
[13:45] <ali1234> and it still fails
[13:45] <Joeboy> ali1234: This is the most awesome free tech support ever
[13:48] <ali1234> unbelievable it still fails
[13:49] <ali1234> i recommend you just build this stuff manually and do not use the packaging
[13:49] <Joeboy> :-)
[13:50] <ali1234> this whole "untar gdb source from /usr/src and then patch it using one giant patch"
[13:50] <Joeboy> Thanks again for your efforts
[13:50] <ali1234> it's going to make it unworkable if you try to add more changes
[13:50] <ali1234> you should untar gdb somewhere, initialize it as a git repo, apply the linaro msp430 patch, fix the rejects by hand (easy), and then make whatever changes you need and install it to /usr/local
[13:54] <Joeboy> Ok, I just installed the debian package. No obvious ill-effects so far.
[13:54] <ali1234> yeah... you won't be able to patch it though :)
[13:54] <ali1234> not easily anyway
[13:55] <Joeboy> It doesn't seem to have the bug the ubuntu package did though
[13:55] <Joeboy> so it's all good :-)
[15:01] <ggg4444> can someone help me with my void 11 problem?
[17:04] <gord> i think webpigeon* may be having troubles ;)
[17:04] <brobostigon> agreed.
[18:35] <Prisoftware> hello
[20:20]  * penguin42 wonders is anything won't survive tonights leapsecond
[20:30] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: "gnome15" rather than gnome version 15
[20:30] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://gnome15.org
[21:09] <ball> Is it difficult to have an Ubuntu (in my case Xubuntu) host join a Windows Workgroup?   I want to share my printer.
[21:13] <directhex> ball: workgroup? no.
[21:13] <ball> directhex: What's the secret incantation? ;-)
[21:15] <directhex> ball: install samba, and i think you can set the workgroup name via  agui (if not it's a 1-line setting in smb.conf)
[21:16] <ball> directhex: Thanks, I have a Samba book at home so I'll grep that when I get home.