[06:00] <Kilos> good morning all
[06:22] <Kilos> yo NeVeR_ 
[06:26] <NeVeR_> yo yo
[06:26] <NeVeR_> :)
[06:31] <NeVeR_> I couldin't connect to freenode from home this morning either. not sure why, so I deleted all the servers and readded just 6667, now it works
[06:31] <Kilos> wow
[06:32] <Kilos> crazy kinda bug that
[06:34] <NeVeR_> yea dunno wtf.. never had crap like that before :|
[06:34] <NeVeR_> that was on quassel.. haven't tried mirc or xchat.. deleted them yesterday
[06:34] <Kilos> lol someone hacked you
[06:35] <Kilos> dont forget to clear the .xchat in your home as well before reinstalling
[06:35] <Kilos> dunno if thats a conf file or what
[06:36] <Kilos> .xchat2
[06:38] <Kilos> xchat is so much better than coming here with chat.freenode.net hey
[06:50] <NeVeR_> nah I like quassel more
[06:51] <Kilos> lol are you on kubuntu? NeVeR_ 
[06:53] <NeVeR_> on windows at the moment.. doing some work. I dont use kubuntu.. only ubuntu server
[06:53] <Kilos> ah
[06:53] <NeVeR_> when I move to CPT i think i'll have more spare time
[06:54] <NeVeR_> then ill try kubuntu
[06:54] <Kilos> lol the fly and them dont seem to have any spare time
[06:54] <Kilos> hiya superfly 
[06:58] <NeVeR_> ill have more spare time coos I wont have my manager at my desk 24/7 and giving me 6 hours work 5 minutes before Im supposed to leave the office
[06:59] <Kilos> lol
[07:01] <NeVeR_> account managers are a pain
[07:02] <Kilos> it seems to be a prob with most peeps as soon as they are given rank. ride the guy under you and make his life as miserable as possible and use his ideas to make yourself look good
[07:03] <NeVeR_> no i dont take shit from anyone. i make his life hell too. i refuse to speak to clients. i make him run around alloy :P
[07:03] <Kilos> lol
[07:03] <NeVeR_> allot*
[07:04] <NeVeR_> its just im the only guy who can do most of the work :(
[07:04] <Kilos> if only peeps would realise that working together achives so much more
[07:05] <NeVeR_> I send him on wild goose chases because thats what he's there for... also if I didnt, I wouldn't ever get any work done
[07:05] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[07:06] <NeVeR_> gotta go service my car :( be back in a few hours..
[07:07] <Kilos> k
[07:08] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:08]  * superfly heads out to the shops
[07:08] <superfly> baby shopping day
[07:09] <Kilos> enjoy
[10:04] <ludoza> Hi Guys, I have a Iphone 4s, I want to sync(get music on the iphone), with RythmBox, on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, I also tried to google for a answer?
[10:04] <ludoza> Ek het ook die boonste vraag in #ubuntu gevra
[10:23] <zeref> ludoza: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[10:47] <kodez> greetings everyone
[10:57] <charl> morning all
[10:58] <charl> afternoon actually
[11:06] <Kilos> hi kodechar
[11:06] <Kilos> grrrr
[11:06] <Kilos> hi charl 
[11:06] <charl> hi Kilos 
[11:06] <charl> yeah i know the feeling lol
[11:08] <Kilos> lol
[11:19] <charl> hi smile4ever 
[11:20] <charl> at a linux user group meeting so sorry if i am slow to respond
[11:20] <smile4ever> hi charl :p
[11:43] <Kilos> hi smile4ever 
[11:44] <smile4ever> Kilos: hi! :D
[11:44] <smile4ever> you like alison moyet, Kilos ? :p
[11:44] <Kilos> ?
[11:45] <smile4ever> Kilos: it's a singer :)
[11:45] <Kilos> dont know her
[11:45] <Kilos> havent heard her i think
[11:46] <smile4ever> well, should listen to "this house" song :p
[11:46] <smile4ever> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy5aAQktE68
[11:47] <Kilos> how big is it data wise
[11:47] <Kilos> i dont go youtube it eats data  and doesnt work half the time
[11:47] <Kilos> videos chew data
[11:51] <smile4ever> Kilos: hm :p
[11:51] <smile4ever> i don't know :p
[11:51] <smile4ever> I don't have to worry about it :)
[11:52] <Kilos> lucky hey?
[11:53] <smile4ever> yes. wanna have some bandwidth? :)
[11:53] <Kilos> send
[11:55] <smile4ever> you will need bandwidth for that :|
[11:56] <Kilos> i cant waste bandwidth on music videos
[12:06] <smile4ever> well yeah, I understand
[12:16] <charl> smile4ever: the internet in south africa is extremely bad and expensive
[12:16] <smile4ever> charl: i know :s
[12:16] <charl> smile4ever: we have to pay about 60 euro or so a month or 1mbps for my mom
[12:16] <tumbleweed> not actually that bad
[12:16] <tumbleweed> but yes, expensive
[12:16] <charl> tumbleweed: bad too
[12:16] <charl> terrible actually
[12:16] <smile4ever> charl: well I have about 8 mpbs (1MB/s) for 40 euro (400R)
[12:16] <charl> unless if you work at a university and you are on tenet or go and pay an absurd amount of money
[12:17] <charl> charl: i have 50mbps for 30 euro
[12:17] <charl> smile4ever i mean
[12:17] <charl> replied on myself lol
[12:17] <smile4ever> lol. :p
[12:17] <tumbleweed> charl: totally unscientefically, my south african 10Mbps DSL feels better than many UK friends' 24Mbps DSL, when I visit them
[12:17] <smile4ever> charl: that's sad, you may less :|
[12:17] <smile4ever> * pay
[12:18] <tumbleweed> the latency between us and US is pretty bad
[12:18] <smile4ever> but my internet is very stable :D
[12:18] <tumbleweed> but ZA ISPs have been getting a lot better. There's less shaping and less http-interception than there was before
[12:18] <charl> tumbleweed: it's because all the traffic gets routed to europe first
[12:18] <charl> then still has to go across the ocean to the usa
[12:18] <tumbleweed> charl: well, yes. We are quite far from the US
[12:19] <charl> tumbleweed: well before it was horrific so if it's better it's now just terrible :)
[12:19] <tumbleweed> also, we have no censorship
[12:19] <charl> well i would hope so :P
[12:19] <tumbleweed> UK ISPs tend to block the pirate bay, these days
[12:19] <charl> otherwise .za is going back into apartheid
[12:20] <smile4ever> charl: :(
[12:20] <tumbleweed> for me, the latency is the biggest issue. And there's nothing that can be done about that, except to use protocols that are less latency-sensitive
[12:20] <charl> smile4ever: for background, in apartheid there was limited media freedom
[12:20] <charl> tumbleweed: latency-wise south africa isn't too bad, kenya is much worse even though the bandwidth is better
[12:20] <tumbleweed> (and websites like twitter.com that take >30s to load)
[12:20] <charl> it's because they route all their traffic via india
[12:20] <smile4ever> charl: oh, really? :|
[12:20] <charl> so if you ping the usa you get > 1000 ms
[12:21] <tumbleweed> charl: yeah, remember when ZA latency to US was routinely > 500ms
[12:21] <tumbleweed> and when lots of outgoing traffic used to go over SAFE, returinng via SAT-3. Which seriously messed with geoDNS
[12:21] <smile4ever> 26.8ms for google.be :DD
[12:21] <charl> tumbleweed: if you go to the west coast, that might still be the case
[12:21] <charl> tumbleweed: but part of the patency issue was that a lot of traffic was being routed via satellite
[12:22] <charl> now with the new underseas cables, that improved obviously
[12:22]  * tumbleweed was never on cheap ISPs that did that
[12:22] <charl> "cheap" is hardly the term i would use
[12:22] <tumbleweed> :)
[12:22] <smile4ever> charl: what's your time for google.be? :)
[12:22] <charl> "less inaffordable" perhaps
[12:22] <tumbleweed> vaguley affordable? :)
[12:22] <smile4ever> ping -c 1 www.google.be
[12:23] <tumbleweed> google.be resolves to a local google site for me, so 6ms
[12:23] <charl> tumbleweed: yeah something like that
[12:23] <charl> smile4ever: i get 27.4ms to google.be
[12:24] <charl> but i'm on crappy wifi atm
[12:24] <smile4ever> charl: that's not much.. :)
[12:24] <charl> smile4ever: lemme ping from my work machine... 1sec
[12:25] <tumbleweed> smile4ever: well, it's not actually belgium
[12:25] <tumbleweed> belgium would be more like 200ms
[12:25] <tumbleweed> (> 200ms)
[12:25] <smile4ever> tumbleweed: where is google.be located then? :)
[12:25] <charl> smile4ever: 7ms consistently
[12:25] <charl> from work
[12:25] <smile4ever> ok :o
[12:25] <tumbleweed> smile4ever: it resolves to cpt01s01-in-f23.1e100.net for me
[12:25] <charl> yeah the cape town mirror
[12:25] <smile4ever> oh :)
[12:26] <charl> for me it resolves to wi-in-f94.1e100.net
[12:26] <tumbleweed> so, probably not even leaving cape town
[12:26] <smile4ever> 177 ms to cpt01s01-in-f23.1e100.net :)
[12:26] <charl> i get about the same, just over 180ms
[12:33] <smile4ever> and you are in the SA o.O
[12:37] <charl> have any of you people been playing with the raspberry pi?
[12:37] <charl> been looking at, unless perhaps you got an early version
[12:37]  * Banlam is still waiting for his to get made
[12:38] <Banlam> +-3 weeks till I'm supposed to get it
[12:38] <charl> yeah that sounds about right
[12:38] <tumbleweed> charl: got one. Don't intend on doing much playing, just wanted an ARM box for testing the occasional thing
[12:38] <charl> they are going to be shipping the first batches soon right?
[12:39] <tumbleweed> they've been shipping for a couple of months now
[12:39] <Banlam> charl, lost of people have their already
[12:39] <Banlam> well perhaps not lots
[12:39] <Banlam> but yeah
[12:39] <charl> ah ok maybe i haven't been monitoring it properly
[12:39] <charl> i know some people who ordered theirs
[12:39] <charl> there are a couple of alternatives now as well
[12:40] <charl> one of them is gnublin http://www.gnublin.org/
[12:40] <charl> there's also APC which is android-based http://apc.io/
[12:40] <charl> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e2jAaovuwk
[12:41] <tumbleweed> gnublin has very little RAM
[12:41] <Banlam> do any of the gnublin products have HDMI out?
[12:41] <charl> dunno only looked at it now for the first time
[12:41] <charl> http://shop.embedded-projects.net/index.php?module=artikel&action=artikel&id=1296
[12:41] <charl> yeah 8MB RAM but ok for small projects
[12:42] <tumbleweed> it's pushing it for linux
[12:42] <charl> it's a lot more expensive than the raspberry pi though
[12:42] <charl> tumbleweed: yeah but i bet it's a really dumbed-down version
[12:42] <tumbleweed> http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox
[12:43] <charl> tumbleweed: nice
[12:43] <Banlam> no IO pins though
[12:46] <charl> have any of you tried running kde on a tablet?
[12:47] <charl> only looked at it now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPkYyDiuGyc
[12:51] <charl> tumbleweed: if you want really crappy internet, you should visit ireland
[12:52] <charl> tumbleweed: the dsl falls out every hour or two for a couple of minutes and the speed is terrible
[12:52] <charl> i was only there for 2,5 days and the dsl fell out probably 10 times
[12:52] <tumbleweed> charl: I have, I don't recall it being quite that awful, though :P
[12:53] <charl> tumbleweed: we were crawling coffee shops because there wasn't even wifi at the hotel
[12:53] <charl> tumbleweed: everyone seems to have had this "aercom" or whatever it was called
[12:53] <charl> 8mbps was about the fastest we got
[12:54] <tumbleweed> that's not so bad
[12:54] <charl> i can recall on the way back i saw in the airplane magazine "get 20 mbps for your business"
[12:54] <charl> i almost fell off the chair
[12:54] <tumbleweed> :)
[12:55] <charl> i wouldn't even want 20mbps at my house
[12:55]  * tumbleweed is going to debconf in nicaragua next week, which apparently will have 20Mbps backhaul for the conference http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf12/Bids/Managua#Network_connectivity
[12:55] <superfly> charl: that's fine, I'll take the 20Mbps
[12:55] <tumbleweed> I wonder how that'll work out :P
[12:56] <charl> ouch!
[12:56] <charl> central america... hmmm
[12:56] <charl> go outside and enjoy the weather instead :P
[12:56] <charl> or the beach
[12:56] <tumbleweed> it's the rainy season :)
[12:56] <charl> "20 Mbits will cost us 3,000 USD"
[12:57] <tumbleweed> but yeah, will be hot
[12:57] <charl> ok that sucks
[12:57] <tumbleweed> don't know if that information is still correct, maybe they organised something better
[12:57] <tumbleweed> apparently government is partially sponsoring (and letting us bypass customs/passport queues) so maybe...
[13:10] <smile4ever> bye :)
[13:10] <Kilos> bye smile4ever 
[13:10] <charl> bye smile4ever 
[13:19] <charl> http://www.geeksphone.com/ <- ooh!
[13:49] <charl> bbl
[15:37] <Kilos> evening all
[15:53] <Kilos> yo not_found 
[15:54] <not_found> hello uncle Kilos 
[15:54] <Kilos> huntyed but not_found  hehe
[15:54] <Kilos> hunted as well
[15:55] <not_found> :)
[17:18] <Kilos> evening charl 
[17:18] <Kilos> inetpro, you here?
[17:18] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:18]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[17:18] <charl> hi Kilos 
[17:18] <charl> Maaz, coffee please
[17:18] <Maaz> charl: Okay
[17:19] <inetpro> Kilos:  . ....
[17:19] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[17:19] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[17:20] <Kilos> naand boetie
[17:20] <inetpro> good evening everyone
[17:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos, charl and inetpro!
[17:22] <charl> thanks Maaz 
[17:22] <charl> hi inetpro 
[17:22] <charl> my goodness what is this link i just got from my mom http://mg.co.za/article/2012-06-30-anc-introduces-its-new-policy-on-land-reform
[17:22] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[17:22] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:24] <Kilos> yo Kerbero 
[17:26] <Kilos> dont forget we have out next meeting on the 6th hey guys
[17:26] <Kilos> still lots of stuff on the agenda we didnt finish last time
[17:28]  * Kilos ^^
[17:29] <Kilos> most of you need at least a week to get your affairs in order
[17:30] <Kilos> yo magespawn 
[17:30] <magespawn> Evening all
[17:30] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[17:30] <Kilos> you just too late
[17:30] <magespawn> For ?
 dont forget we have out next meeting on the 6th hey guys
 still lots of stuff on the agenda we didnt finish last 
 most of you need at least a week to get your affairs in order
[17:31] <magespawn> Reminders?
[17:31] <Kilos> lol i had just posted that when you came on
[17:32] <Kilos> all good there in warm land?
[17:32] <magespawn> Cool. 
[17:32] <magespawn> Had a very warm day, today.
[17:32]  * Kilos jealous
[17:40] <magespawn> gc coffee 
[17:40] <gc> magespawn: coffee is served with pastry
[17:41] <magespawn> gc coffee on
[17:41] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:41]  * gc flips the salt-timer
[17:41] <Kilos> magespawn, did you teach het that?
[17:41] <magespawn> Yup
[17:41] <Kilos> gc coffee please
[17:41] <gc> Kilos: Righto
[17:42] <Kilos> what pastry gets served with coffee
[17:42] <magespawn> Was trying to get her to serve it with the coffee.
[17:42] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:43] <Kilos> one cant fiddle with their default settings so easily
[17:43] <magespawn> Apparently not.
[17:44] <Kilos> you should sometime see where our 2 bots are looking at the wrong place for pretoria weather
[17:44] <magespawn> I was trying to do it through the 'teaching' commands.
[17:45] <magespawn> Will, when I get a second.
[17:45] <gc> Coffee's ready for magespawn and Kilos!
[17:45] <Kilos> you have to godeeper to alter default things
[17:45] <Kilos> gc ty
[17:45] <gc> It's a pleasure to serve humans Kilos
[17:46] <magespawn> gc bot snack
[17:46] <gc> magespawn: thankyou!
[17:46] <Kilos> i wouldnt know where they are supposed to find the pretoria or irene weather from anymore
[17:48] <magespawn> Lots of places, I assume you could set it to any website, or publicly available info.
[17:50] <Kilos> they used to have it right so the weather peeps musta changed something
[17:55] <Kilos> have a good night guys. i go crash now
[17:55] <Kilos> see ya morrow
[17:55] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:14] <charl> wb smile4ever 
[18:19] <smile4ever> thanks :)
[18:19] <smile4ever> i worked on the website of my dad
[18:19] <smile4ever> it's progressing slowly :)
[18:19] <smile4ever> round corners and stuff like that
[18:19] <smile4ever> :p
[18:21] <charl> ah nice
[18:24] <magespawn> Can we have a look?
[18:30] <smile4ever> bye
[18:30] <charl> lol
[18:30] <charl> bye smile4ever 
[18:30] <smile4ever> good night, charl 
[18:30] <smile4ever> magespawn: well, later :)
[18:30] <smile4ever> ;)
[18:30] <smile4ever> thank you charl 
[18:30] <smile4ever> in a few days, magespawn :D
[18:31] <magespawn> Okay cool, let us know.
[18:31] <magespawn> And he is gone.
[18:33] <charl> http://i.imgur.com/QRauh.jpg
[18:39] <Banlam> trollface magnets long arms?
[18:40] <charl> yeah cause smile4ever just trolled us, in a strange way :P
[18:41] <Banlam> ok
[18:55] <magespawn> Yeah but not in a bad way.
[18:57] <magespawn> I am also out of here, battery needs the rest.
[22:54] <stavros> Hi all.  Please can someone help me get/buy the CD's for the latest Ubuntu.  Tried to download and internet been dodgy...
[23:04] <Kerbero> te vinnig weg
[23:04] <Kerbero> niemand kan so snel reageer nie
[23:04] <Kerbero> veral nie na 1 snags nie
[23:32] <Symmetria> sup
[23:35] <Kerbero> gday
[23:35] <Symmetria> lol, Im confused
[23:36] <Kerbero> o
[23:36] <Kerbero> why?
[23:36] <Kerbero> *g'night
[23:36] <Kerbero> sorry
[23:36] <Symmetria> this chick... and she is like... the very essence of hot... but I always believed she was outta my league and I didnt have a chance
[23:36] <Symmetria> just asked me out via whatsapp :p
[23:36] <Symmetria> said I was taking way 2 long to ask her out, so fuck it she was gonna ask me out instead
[23:36] <Kerbero> hmm
[23:37] <Kerbero> i guess she found out how much money you make
[23:37] <Symmetria> lol nah dude, she and I had a fling once before
[23:37] <Symmetria> but I always believed it was just a fling, though i really liked this chick
[23:37] <Symmetria> dude, she's fucking smoking hot 
[23:37] <Kerbero> ok
[23:37] <Kerbero> well, good for you
[23:38] <Symmetria> lol, but its just so strange, hot chicks dont ask me out, and especially not via whatsapp :p
[23:38] <Symmetria> lol
[23:38] <Kerbero> well to tell you the truth i see you more dating a model than your previous GF
[23:38] <Kerbero> not that i know what she looked like
[23:39] <Symmetria> lol, this chick sent me nekkid pics as well :P 
[23:39] <Kerbero> wow
[23:39] <Symmetria> see msg :p