[00:46] <_eein> ailo, wow sorry left for a while :-) thanks that seems to work
[14:45] <eein-> ailo, hi
[14:57] <eein-> hmmm JACK and PortAudio are not doing what i want, how many in_ are there for PortAudio?  I keep having to move the mapping in JACK connections
[14:58] <holstein> AFAIK, thats going to depend on your hardware
[14:58] <eein-> everytime i press record in Audacity it moves to another in_
[14:58] <holstein> i wouldnt use JACK with audacity
[14:59] <holstein> really no need to
[15:00] <eein-> well i would like to record multiple tracks from all my 10 inputs on my card
[15:01] <holstein> i would use ardour, or qtractor
[15:01] <holstein> audacity is not really intended for that, and i would expect "issues"
[15:03] <eein-> ok well i guess im not sure what audacity is good for then :-)
[15:03] <eein-> i cant record with my card and JACK not running
[15:04] <holstein> audacity is more for editing clips.. or recording stereo... to do anything mutitrack with it is arguably inappropriate
[15:05] <holstein> i say this as a user who has routinely recorded using all 10 inputs on an interface for years with ardour/JACK
[15:05] <eein-> yeah but i cant record just a stereo channel from say my djing with my card
[15:05] <holstein> if you can see/use all 10 in's, you can record a stereo track
[15:05] <holstein> but, you can do that without JACK
[15:05] <eein-> what i think are stereo 1/2 in on my m-audio 1010lt are XLR not RCA
[15:06] <holstein> the 1010lt is overkill for that i say
[15:06] <eein-> my first pair of RCA are 3/4 then 5/6 7/8
[15:06] <holstein> BUT, you can use JACK and ardour, or some other DAW
[15:06] <holstein> audacity with JACK is a pain... used to not even work
[15:07] <eein-> yeah i suppose but that seems overkill to record in ardour when all i want is to record a mix tape
[15:07] <holstein> i would just use the internal sound card
[15:07] <holstein> i argue that JACK is overkill for what you are doing
[15:08] <eein-> i disabled that for simplicity with everything else plus that only has a 1/8 input
[15:08] <eein-> i agree PA should know how to handle multiple inputs
[15:08] <holstein> yup.. the 1/8 will do the trick though
[15:08] <holstein> i would prefer the RCA's on the 1010
[15:08] <holstein> and i would try pavucontrol to specifiy that
[15:09] <eein-> the fact that PA is the default for just about every distro and it cant do simple stuff like handle a audio card with more than one input is stupid
[15:09] <holstein> eh.. i have systems with both alsa only and alsa with pulse
[15:10] <holstein> there are upsides to both, and things that are a drag with both
[15:10] <eein-> i have, maybe i missed something but i dont see a way to select which input i am recording on, and PA is dumb in that it is trying to make a surround sound card out of my RCA inputs
[15:10] <holstein> not to be confrontational, but the code is all open, if its not meeting your needs
[15:10] <holstein> have you tried pavucontrol?
[15:12] <eein-> my options for pavucontrol on input for port is analog input
[15:12] <eein-> nothing else in drop down
[15:12] <eein-> and all my profiles are surround sound which is not what this card is for
[15:13] <eein-> and i dont see a way to make my own profiles
[15:14] <eein-> am i missing something?
[15:16] <holstein> maybe.. you should try #opensourcemusicians
[15:16] <holstein> i know several folks have that device, and use it routinely for whate you are doing, and more
[15:16] <holstein> i heard some work had been done to "improve" support for that device
[15:17] <holstein> when im troubleshooting, i try live CD's.. the LTS's and the upcoming ones
[15:17] <eein-> thanks, yeah i was using live yesterday i finally just installed today
[15:18] <eein-> i thought JACK would work the way i wanted but i hadnt stopped and started audacity enough to see the issue i guess
[15:18] <holstein> audacity with JACK will always be subpar
[15:18] <holstein> using ardour to do what you are doing will not be that tough though
[15:19] <holstein> qtractor is popular too and easy looking, though i dont use it
[15:19] <eein-> this happened yesterday on the live boot as well, as soon as i go into pavucontrol JACK server no longer starts
[15:19] <holstein> right
[15:19] <eein-> is there a way to release PA
[15:19] <holstein> the pulse to jack bridge is not going to work like that
[15:19] <holstein> i would use either or...
[15:20] <holstein> i dont use pulse and JACK.. i would try *only* pulse with pavucontrol... or only JACK.. for troubleshooting purposes if nothing elst
[15:20] <holstein> else*
[16:13] <len-dt> eein_, Just reading some of the earlier stuff and there is another way that may haelp you
[16:13] <len-dt> *help
[16:13] <eein_> whats that
[16:14] <len-dt> Looking through the stuff for connecting more than one card together. They make a fake card in alsa that includes both
[16:14] <len-dt> I am thinking you could make a fake sound card that show inputs 3/4 as input 1/2
[16:14] <eein_> yeah i saw some write ups on two 1010lts using a asroundrc
[16:15] <len-dt> I was looking at this one: http://www.jrigg.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html
[16:15] <eein_> yeah me too
[16:15] <len-dt> But others will show similar.
[16:17] <len-dt> instead of calling it "multi_capture" it could be called 1010stereo
[16:18] <eein_> so bindings.0.slave a 	bindings.0.channel 0 	bindings.1.slave a 	bindings.1.channel 1    would become 	bindings.2.slave a 	bindings.2.channel 0 	bindings.3.slave a 	bindings.3.channel 1?
[16:18] <len-dt> That was my thought
[16:18] <len-dt> I think that pulse may even pick it up as a new card too.
[16:20] <len-dt> Because you are only using one card, you may be able to do capture and playback all in one instead of as two
[16:22] <eein_> yeah i think my issue is that input 1&2 are the XLR inputs which i would only use for recording microphones which would not be often
[16:22] <eein_> i have two XLR inputs then 3/4 5/6 7/8 RCA
[16:23] <eein_> then 1/2 3/4 5/6 7/8 RCA outputs
[16:23] <len-dt> eein_, So having it look like a second card with inputs 3/4 or 3 to 8 and then selecting the card depending on what you are doing.
[16:24] <len-dt> eein_, do you use outputs 1/2 or 3/4?
[16:24] <eein_> the outputs dont matter much
[16:24] <eein_> i can use 1/2 if needed or reverse it so it matches the inputs
[16:25] <len-dt> eein_, but you don't want to be switching them one to the other. So make both devices the same.
[16:25] <eein_> len-dt, sorry gotta run an errand be back in a couple hours.  ill test it out and see what happens
[16:25] <len-dt> eein_,  cool, let us know
[22:22] <raven> hi
[22:32] <Unit193> raven: Howdy.
[22:44] <raven> Unit193 do you know about any eq plugin that is a visual eq? theese plugins with sliders are not very useful to me
[22:46] <Unit193> Plugin for...?
[22:46] <raven> ardour for example
[22:46] <raven> ladspa
[22:47] <len-dt> raven, the LV2 plugins tend to have a more visual IF
[22:47] <len-dt> Sorry I am not familiar with the names though.
[22:47] <len-dt> I have to search each time I use them  :P