[01:48] <techconnected> hey i downloaded and install lxde in ubuntu 12  and rebooted but still have unity
[01:51] <Unit193> >_<
[07:16] <melodie_> hi !
[07:17] <melodie_> any chance someone is available to discuss stuff related to Lubuntu ?
[09:09] <fluffyguy> Morning all.
[09:09] <fluffyguy> anyone knows why lxpanel and openbox keeps "restarting" (Its like im on windows and explorer keeps dying on me) ?
[09:10] <fluffyguy> Its not really effecting systems performance but still Im curious why.
[09:13] <melodie_> fluffyguy, ?
[09:13] <fluffyguy> Yes?
[09:13] <melodie_> can you paste the content of .xsession-errors to pastebin and bring the link here ?
[09:14] <fluffyguy> ill do my best to find it first
[09:14] <melodie_> it's in /home/fluffyguy/.xsession-errors
[09:14] <fluffyguy> melodie_ thx
[09:14] <melodie_> just open a lxterminal and display it's content with the command:
[09:14] <melodie_> cat .xsession-errors
[09:15] <melodie_> then paste the whole content of the console to pastebin
[09:15] <fluffyguy> http://pastebin.com/ij2Zqg2G
[09:17] <melodie_> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_r300.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:17] <melodie_> you have a nvidia card and nvidia driver ?
[09:17] <fluffyguy> No, I have old Ati 1050 AGP ( RV350 chip)
[09:17] <melodie_> I look
[09:18] <melodie_> and you look which driver is in use: with "sudo lshw | grep driver"
[09:19] <fluffyguy> http://pastebin.com/HvskGUnW
[09:20] <melodie_> ok you have radeon
[09:20] <melodie_> have you installed mesa ?
[09:20] <fluffyguy> I think not
[09:20] <fluffyguy> only if it was in update manager
[09:21] <melodie_> I found a related topic
[09:21] <melodie_> I show you
[09:21] <fluffyguy> Sure ,thank you
[09:21] <melodie_> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/03/msg01160.html
[09:21] <melodie_> then:
[09:21] <melodie_> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=656719
[09:22] <melodie_> then:
[09:22] <melodie_> https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/graphics-drivers/+packages
[09:22] <melodie_> I should probably help you check if this is relevant for your precise ati card model, but one in one you can start with installing mesa
[09:22] <fluffyguy> One question ...is there a chance to mess up my video drivers? I have a really really bad experience with this card and Linux
[09:22] <melodie_> then maybe this libg3dvl-mesa package
[09:23] <melodie_> mesa should not hurt it, but the other one I take a close look to try to figure out if it is relevant
[09:23] <melodie_> (ATI is the ennemy of ou Freedom, sayd RMS)
[09:24] <fluffyguy> Yea , I had NVidia for a while but that beast ate my weak PSU :)
[09:24] <melodie_> http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/dont-buy-from-ati
[09:24] <fluffyguy> haha
[09:24] <melodie_> if you have a weak psu, you might want to try very old nvidia cards
[09:25] <melodie_> the ones that use best "nv" as a driver. :)
[09:25] <fluffyguy> Naah paycheck is in 2 weeks
[09:25] <melodie_> lol
[09:25] <fluffyguy> its time to finally switch to PCIE
[09:25] <melodie_> install mesa
[09:25] <fluffyguy> kk
[09:25] <melodie_> then wait a sec, I check the other one if I can find
[09:27] <fluffyguy> melodie_ http://tinypic.com/r/i60emw/6
[09:27] <melodie_> fluffyguy, you might want to look and bookmark this one:
[09:27] <fluffyguy> This is what I already have installed
[09:27] <melodie_> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Hardware
[09:29] <melodie_> forget the quick filter, hit the search button and get just "mesa" and select name instead of name and description
[09:29] <fluffyguy> These cards are supported with the legacy ATI 9-3 Catalyst release, but you MUST use a kernel <= 2.6.28 and Xserver <= 1.5.
[09:29] <fluffyguy> O.o
[09:31] <qstpp> how to disable non-critical desktop notifications in 12.04?
[09:32] <fluffyguy> melodie_ I have searched by name and list is still pretty long.  whats the actual package name
[09:32] <melodie_> I check
[09:32] <melodie_> you run precise, right ?
[09:32] <fluffyguy> 12.04 yes
[09:34] <melodie_> install all mesa packages you don't have except the ones related to dev (no -dev or -devel packages needed)
[09:34] <fluffyguy> ok
[09:35] <melodie_> 32 bits ?
[09:35] <melodie_> I look here now:
[09:35] <melodie_> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.12&lang=English
[09:36] <melodie_> not that I think you should install that one, but in case there would be a more relevant driver in the repos for your card
[09:37] <fluffyguy> Well I clicked on bunch of mesa things...  lets test it
[09:38] <fluffyguy> melodie_ lists looks like this
[09:38] <fluffyguy> http://pastebin.com/7yFQB4G7
[09:39] <fluffyguy> and yea 9.3 official driver never works for me ,probably due to higher kernel
[09:39] <melodie_> did this one: libwayland0 (version 0.85.0-1ubuntu2) will be installed come with the rest ?
[09:39] <melodie_> official drivers at ati seldom work it seems
[09:39] <melodie_> did this one: "libwayland0 (version 0.85.0-1ubuntu2) will be installed" come with the rest ?
[09:40] <fluffyguy> Im not sure
[09:40] <fluffyguy> I just clicked on everytthing with mesa
[09:40] <fluffyguy> just not dbg and dev
[09:40] <melodie_> try to untick it, to see what would happen
[09:41] <fluffyguy> ok
[09:41] <melodie_> and don't install this one "libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental (version 8.0.2-0ubuntu3.1) will be installed"
[09:41] <melodie_> keep it in mind just but don't install it right away
[09:42] <fluffyguy> I unticked experimantal one
[09:42] <melodie_> for this one : "libgbm1 (version 8.0.2-0ubuntu3.1) will be installed" do the same check as for libwayland, see if it removes one from that list, if it does remove one, then keep it
[09:42] <fluffyguy> but libwayland0 (version 0.85.0-1ubuntu2)  ..I cant find that one ...
[09:42] <melodie_> it's in your pastebin
[09:43] <melodie_> so you should try to find it with the search button : just type in "libwayland"
[09:44] <fluffyguy> it affects one package
[09:44] <fluffyguy> libopenvg-1-mesa
[09:44] <fluffyguy> libopenvg1-mesa*
[09:45] <melodie_> ok
[09:45] <melodie_> wait a sec
[09:45] <fluffyguy> waiting
[09:45] <melodie_> do you have this one package installed ? libvdpau1
[09:46] <fluffyguy> yes
[09:47] <melodie_> ok
[09:47] <melodie_> here is what OpenVG is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVG
[09:47] <melodie_> you can keep the related packages and install this mesa packages list now
[09:47] <melodie_> then reboot and check again the .xession-errors messages
[09:47] <fluffyguy> will do
[09:48] <melodie_> the other lib said in the debian thread does not show on the ppa lauchpad page, so I can't say more about it now, I look at the rest of the discussion here:
[09:48] <melodie_> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=656719
[09:49] <fluffyguy> ubottu
[09:49] <fluffyguy> There is no package named "libg3dvl-mesa" in synaptic
[09:50] <fluffyguy> melodie_ Im trying to install all this atm. So we will see if it works..if not ohh well it happens
[09:50] <melodie_> fluffyguy,
[09:51] <melodie_> the thread is very recent, you might want to keep it at hand to follow the thread
[09:51] <melodie_> they might come to solutions which would later be included in Ubuntu
[09:51] <fluffyguy> Sure ,share it and ill bookmark it
[09:52] <melodie_> fluffyguy,
[09:52] <melodie_> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=656719#55
[09:52] <melodie_> this post:
[09:53] <melodie_> you see on the launchpad the lib with complicated name is not there anymore, but it appears as a + in the patch shown on that one post:
[09:53] <melodie_> "+Package: libg3dvl-mesa"
[09:54] <melodie_> and since the beginning of the thread this is the one which contains the lib which the .xsession-errors says is missing
[09:55] <fluffyguy> Well Im rebooting
[09:56] <fluffyguy> See ya in 2-3 mins
[09:56] <melodie_> ok
[10:02] <fluffyguy> melodie_ http://pastebin.com/s4Ckpq4s
[10:02] <fluffyguy> No errors so far
[10:02] <fluffyguy> that include openbox and lxpanel
[13:10] <melodie_> he fluffyguy !
[13:10] <melodie_> your problem is solved ?
[13:12] <fluffyguy> Hi melodie_
[13:12] <fluffyguy> Well honestly I dont know
[13:13] <fluffyguy> Didnt had any issues with lxpanel or openbox crashing
[13:13] <fluffyguy> So far.
[13:13] <melodie_> and what does the .xsession-errors provide now ?
[13:13] <fluffyguy> sec
[13:14] <fluffyguy> http://pastebin.com/pqJcxjA2
[13:15] <melodie_> fluffyguy, the message related to libvdpau-xx-300.so disappeared
[13:15] <melodie_> it means that the mesa packages were needed by your gpu : in one word you can consider it solved.
[13:16] <melodie_> does someone know why all versions Ubuntu provide a message stating that the gnome-polkit-authentication service can't be used ?
[13:16] <fluffyguy> it seem so ,give me a sec ill try to induce same error. with using applications I normaly use
[13:16] <melodie_> you will test the use of apps:
[13:16] <melodie_> you are not trying to introduce error. this is different. :)
[13:17] <fluffyguy> Im testing to see if I can crash openbox and lxpanel with normal usage
[13:17] <fluffyguy> better? :D
[13:20] <fluffyguy> Well torrent client,True Crypt,Empathy ,Chrome,Audacious,SMPlayer and ofc Xchat work without any crash
[13:21] <melodie_> I tell you
[13:22] <fluffyguy> btw It seems I cant get correct CPU temp sensor readings
[13:22] <fluffyguy> sensors command output looks liek this
[13:22] <fluffyguy> acpitz-virtual-0
[13:22] <fluffyguy> Adapter: Virtual device
[13:22] <fluffyguy> temp1:        +38.0°C  (crit = +75.0°C)
[13:24] <melodie_> great !
[13:25] <fluffyguy> That is real? Damn its 34 Celsius in my room. Cant believe CPU is so cool.
[13:25] <melodie_> sure, the relevant drivers can help
[13:26] <melodie_> fluffyguy, I believe you could be interested about the cpufreq tool if you cpu can use it
[13:27] <fluffyguy> Pentium 4 Northwood 2.66 GHz HT (Ancient PC)
[13:28] <melodie_> you have to try
[13:28] <melodie_> install cpufreq-utils
[13:28] <melodie_> and launch in console "cpufreq-info"
[13:28] <fluffyguy> kk
[13:30] <fluffyguy> nope
[13:30] <fluffyguy> no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU
[13:30] <fluffyguy>   maximum transition latency: 0.00 ms.
[13:31] <melodie_> well, that happens
[13:32] <fluffyguy> Yes.
[13:34] <fluffyguy> Yea and last weird issue. Playing movies in SMPlayer are having odd audio issue. Explosions /shooting and effects in general are pretty loud  but voices are quite.
[13:35] <fluffyguy> quiet*
[13:36] <melodie_> fluffyguy, then try VLC instead
[13:36] <melodie_> possibly also try to deactivate pulseaudio and choose alsa instead
[13:37] <melodie_> and possibly the video is at stake
[13:37] <fluffyguy> Ill try VLC .I like SMPlayer bcs of "add black border" filter
[13:39] <melodie_> ok, back to Lubuntu matters
[13:39] <melodie_> I would like to know why the .xsession-errors give this "(polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:1413): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING **: Failed to register client: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files"
[13:39] <melodie_> in the messages provided by .xsession-errors
[13:39] <melodie_> anyone has an idea ?
[13:42] <fluffyguy> Try on #ubuntu .maybe someone there can help. :)
[13:42] <melodie_> fluffyguy, I'll see
[13:47] <fluffyguy> Well Im off for now... Thanks for your time melodie_  and good luck with your issue. Bye
[15:50] <muhammed> hi
[15:50] <muhammed> i install burg
[15:50] <muhammed> but i cant change default boot
[15:51] <muhammed> i use grub-customizer
[15:51] <hbk> .i am unable to install neither ubuntu nor lubuntu. Either the installation crashes or it says unable to find rev 265...... i have tried downloading different versions yet no success
[15:51] <muhammed> i choice win 8 for default boot
[15:51] <muhammed> i reboot
[15:51] <muhammed> but itts boot lubuntu
[15:52] <muhammed> ???
[16:47] <fluffyguy> Anyone here tried playing Wolfenstein ET on 120.04?
[16:47] <fluffyguy> 12.04*
[18:05] <pcman> hi all
[18:05] <Unit193> Howdy.
[18:07] <qstpp> how to disable non-critical desktop notifications in 12.04?
[18:11] <SomeDamnBody> when I try to do lubuntu-software-center I get ImportError: No module named defer
[18:12] <SomeDamnBody> can anybody help me? I found python-defer in apt-get and deferred in pip, but I don't know how to get either of them to work
[18:12] <SomeDamnBody> I installed both, it doesn't seem to work
[18:13] <Unit193> qstpp: Which ones?  Some are per program setting.
[18:13] <qstpp> Unit193: for instance Firefox download complete notifications
[18:14] <qstpp> Unit193: i've disabled network manager network up-down with gconfeditor
[18:14] <qstpp> Unit193: but it still notifies me only on boot if network is not connected
[18:14] <qstpp> Unit193: is there a way to tackle all notifications at once?
[18:15] <Unit193> about:config in firefox: browser.download.manager.showAlertOnComplete
[18:15] <Unit193> You can disable the daemon.
[18:15] <qstpp> Unit193: as for ff, that would disable notification inside it, but i would like to disable only desktop notification
[18:16] <qstpp> Unit193: can you tell me how to disable the daemon and which one?
[18:17] <Unit193> notification-daemon, and one way to do it is uninstall it. :P
[18:17] <qstpp> Unit193: well, if there isn't a way to disable all non-critical ones, then uninstallation will do
[18:17] <Unit193> (I don't have it, so I can't tell you how to disable it other than sudo update-rc.d -f notification-daemon  remove   maybe)
[18:19] <qstpp> Unit193: ok, thanks!
[18:20] <Unit193> Sure, but not 100% sure that's the right name.
[18:20] <qstpp> forgot to mention, i found another program installed called notify-send
[18:21] <Unit193> That's the client application.
[18:21] <qstpp> it has -u option to set urgency level
[18:22] <qstpp> i just don't know when is it started and how to start it with that flag
[18:24] <qstpp> can that urgency level somehow be set to notifications daemon?
[18:25] <SomeDamnBody> nevermind
[18:25] <SomeDamnBody> actually, there was a site-package not installed
[18:25] <SomeDamnBody> actualled called defer and not deferred
[18:26] <SomeDamnBody> pip install defer fixed it! thanks
[18:26] <Unit193> qstpp: Checking the I use...
[18:26] <Unit193> SomeDamnBody: Cool.
[18:39] <pcman> any developers here?
[18:39] <SomeDamnBody> pcman, you need some help?
[18:39] <pcman> SomeDamnBody: is anyone intersted in working on a power manager?
[18:42] <SomeDamnBody> no
[18:42] <SomeDamnBody> well... I'm not
[18:42] <SomeDamnBody> there's like fifty of them already in existence
[18:42] <SomeDamnBody> you should check out what already exists first and modify those before just making your own
[18:42] <SomeDamnBody> it will probably save you a lot of work
[18:42] <SomeDamnBody> pcman ^
[18:43] <Unit193> gilir, wxl, and a couple others can randomly be found in here or #lubuntu-offtopic
[18:43] <pcman> SomeDamnBody: true
[18:43] <pcman> SomeDamnBody: just want to have a desktop-independent one.
[18:44] <SomeDamnBody> desktop-independent? what do you mean by that?
[18:44] <SomeDamnBody> and why do you need this?
[18:44] <SomeDamnBody> what is the base motivation?
[18:46] <pcman> SomeDamnBody: for use with our lxde.
[18:46] <pcman> SomeDamnBody: or other pure wm environments.
[18:47] <SomeDamnBody> pcman, are you a developer yourself? can you give me some background so I understand more where you're coming from. And then the desired end result of the power manager that you're looking for?
[18:47] <Unit193> pcman is the dev for lxde, and pcmanfm.
[18:48] <SomeDamnBody> ah
[18:48] <SomeDamnBody> didn't know that
[18:48] <SomeDamnBody> yeah, I just like lxde for it's lightweightness, I've never had trouble with the power manager
[18:48] <pcman> SomeDamnBody: better if we can have  one.
[18:49] <SomeDamnBody> oh
[18:49] <SomeDamnBody> well, I guess I can't help you...
[18:50] <qstpp> pcman: since you're here, there's a minor bug involving lxde menu
[18:51] <pcman> qstpp: yeah?
[18:51] <pcman> our bug tracker is full of bugs. :-(
[18:51] <pcman> man power is wanted.
[18:51] <qstpp> when you add some program from it to desktop, menu doesn't close but you have to click it couple of times
[18:52] <pcman> qstpp: really? let me try it.
[18:52] <pcman> qstpp: oh, yes. I noticed that.
[18:53] <qstpp> pcman: nothing important, just letting you know
[18:53] <pcman> qstpp: file it in the bug tracker please.
[18:53] <qstpp> haven't used it before, you mean one on lxde.org?
[18:53] <pcman> qstpp: though bugs in the tracker are processed slowly, someday they will be solved.
[18:54] <pcman> qstpp: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?limit=25&func=&group_id=180858&atid=894869&assignee=&status=&category=&artgroup=&keyword=&submitter=&artifact_id=&assignee=&status=1&category=&artgroup=&submitter=&keyword=&artifact_id=&submit=Filter&mass_category=&mass_priority=&mass_resolution=&mass_assignee=&mass_artgroup=&mass_status=&mass_cannedresponse=&_visit_cookie=6eff56ea4d45185007b1fd8d3d8ac0ae
[18:54] <wxl> yikes
[18:54] <wxl> surprised you don't get kicked for flooding with a url like that pcman  :)
[18:54] <pcman> qstpp: due to shortage of man power, bugs are fixed slowly now, but sooner or later they'll be handled.
[18:55] <qstpp> wxl: kicking out pcman would kick out l from lubuntu
[18:56] <qstpp> pcman: no worries, nothing urgent. btw lxde does deliver what it promises. great work!
[18:57] <Unit193> pcman: IIRC, someone reported one a bit back about problems with shift+delete, but didn't describe well that it didn't work when you hit shift, then rightclicked > Delete.  I tried searching for the bugreport, but didn't find it, do you happen to know the one?
[18:58] <wxl> Unit193: you looked on launchpad? cuz i thought i saw it there.
[18:58] <pcman> Unit193: yes. File a new one if it's not there.
[18:58] <pcman> Unit193: but pcmanfm use another bug tracker.
[18:58] <pcman> Unit193: see http://sf.net/projects/pcmanfm/
[18:58] <Unit193> pcman: That's the one I checked, but didn't check LP.
[18:59] <wxl> for the typical user, they'd expect to file it on lp.
[19:00] <Unit193> Yep, but it's not configured, just checked.
[19:16] <PAPI> Hello
[19:17] <PAPI> Can anybody tell me if there is a site like gnome looks for lxde desktop?
[19:19] <wxl> box looks PAPI
[19:20] <PAPI> thankyou
[19:23] <kanliot> box looks is for openbox, not gnome widgets, right?
[19:24] <Unit193> You'd have to get a themem that supports GTK2 and 3.
[19:24] <wxl> kanliot: there's a bunch of stuff on there for different wms/des but i don't *THINK* there are gnome widgets
[19:24] <Unit193> -m
[19:27] <melodie_> good evening
[19:29] <kanliot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall#Unmanaged_Wired_Network
[19:29] <kanliot> is that only for 10.04 or something?
[19:30] <kanliot> i'm not sure if it applies to newer versions of lubuntu
[19:30] <melodie_> I would like to know if there is a place for Lubuntu where it is possible to post 2 .xsession-errors, containing error messages and warnings
[19:30] <kanliot> melodie, you can pastebin here, or ask on the ubuntuforums.com
[19:31] <kanliot> or in #ubuntu channel
[19:31] <Unit193> If you want someone to look at the file, pastebin.com.
[19:31] <wxl> also if there's a problem, you could make a bug report
[19:32] <Unit193> (Forums or askubuntu, both handy if you don't like IRC)
[19:32] <GeDaMo> I'm looking for a POP3/IMAP mailbox checker; up until now I've used mail-notification but it has a metric crapload of dependencies on Lubuntu 12.04 (an extra 125MB of disk space used seems a little excessive)
[19:33] <Unit193> GeDaMo: Well, you could try installing from terminal with the --no-install-recommends  option.
[19:33] <wxl> kanliot: honestly i have never encountered that problem at all before.
[19:33] <GeDaMo> I give that a try
[19:33] <melodie_> hi kanliot
[19:33] <melodie_> kanliot, ok I paste : but be aware it is not to solve a problem, the machine is gone
[19:34] <melodie_> it's for information which should be used to improve the distribution
[19:34] <kanliot> pastebin.com please melodie_
[19:34] <melodie_> so is it relevant ?
[19:34] <melodie_> ok
[19:35] <melodie_> http://pastealacon.com/30429
[19:36] <kanliot> looks normal to me
[19:36] <kanliot> what am i missing?
[19:37] <melodie_> http://pastealacon.com/30430
[19:37] <melodie_> you are missing this:
[19:37] <wxl> kanliot: it looks like that bug re: the link you posted earlier was fixed upstream in debian so that the version of network-manager in 11.04 should have the fix. it's possible 10.04 does not have the problem and 10.10 probably does.
[19:37] <melodie_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1-gnome/+bug/1000679
[19:37] <melodie_> among else
[19:38] <kanliot> to be honest, i know very little about policykit
[19:39] <kanliot> wxl thanks
[19:40] <wxl> kanliot: np ;)
[19:41] <GeDaMo> Unit193: thanks, that got it installed; is there a way of doing on install recommends in Synaptic?
[19:42] <Unit193> GeDaMo: No idea, I don't use it. :P
[19:42] <GeDaMo> :D
[19:42] <Unit193> You can set it globally though.
[19:42] <melodie_> kanliot, it should not show this message I think
[19:43] <kanliot> is the message only in the log, or does it pop up when any user logs in?
[19:43] <GeDaMo> Aha! There is an option in preferences "Consider recommended packages as dependencies"
[22:05] <toscho> hi
[22:06] <toscho> i'm trying to use lxkeymap to change caps_lock to compose, but it doesn't work