| penguin42 | hmph, didn't get a 60 | 00:00 |
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| powderfinger | join #lua | 00:17 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| popey | morning | 08:28 |
| czajkowski | morning | 08:32 |
| christel | morning lovelies | 08:36 |
| czajkowski | christel: ello | 08:44 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 08:56 |
| Myrtti | meh, I wish Launchpad would support Android translations | 09:04 |
| Myrtti | or Rosetta rather | 09:04 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:23 |
| MooDoo | morning brobostigon | 09:30 |
| brobostigon | morning MooDoo | 09:30 |
| MooDoo | brobostigon: how are you? | 09:30 |
| brobostigon | MooDoo: could be better, this heat is playing with my eczema. and you? | 09:31 |
| MooDoo | i'm at work, so in the air con, thanksfully it's quiet. | 09:31 |
| brobostigon | thats good, some can be very loud. | 09:32 |
| MooDoo | yeah it's fine though, people appear to be staying away from their computers :) | 09:38 |
| brobostigon | ok. | 09:40 |
| AlanBell | morning all | 09:46 |
| MooDoo | hi alan | 09:47 |
| christel | good mooorning | 10:00 |
| popey | quiet today | 10:20 |
| MooDoo | popey: has been quiet over the weekend | 10:25 |
| MooDoo | morning christel | 10:26 |
| christel | hello MooDoo :) | 10:31 |
| * gord wishes everyone a merry mailmans day | 10:48 | |
| dogmatic69 | anyone running tor? | 11:03 |
| brobostigon | is there an equivilant to debians apt-listbugs , for lucid server ? | 11:26 |
| dogmatic69 | anyone reading about this? http://www.channel4.com/news/black-boxes-to-monitor-all-internet-and-phone-data | 12:06 |
| dogmatic69 | one week they pass laws on using cookies, the next reading your emails... | 12:13 |
| penguin42 | dogmatic69: I can't see how they would monitor gmail/facebook unless they started doing ssl falsification and that would be seriously offensive | 12:29 |
| MartijnVdS | modern browsers even detect that | 12:31 |
| MartijnVdS | if you've visited the site before and it gets a new cert | 12:31 |
| MartijnVdS | it'll warn | 12:31 |
| TheGurkha | Hi Folks, first timer, just lurking to get the hang of things.. | 12:35 |
| dogmatic69 | penguin42: mitm on a massive scale | 12:35 |
| popey | hello TheGurkha | 12:35 |
| TheGurkha | cheers Popey | 12:36 |
| popey | there's a new feature in openssl iirc which allows this and makes it transparent MartijnVdS | 12:36 |
| dogmatic69 | sup TheGurkha | 12:36 |
| ali1234 | what is "this" | 12:36 |
| dogmatic69 | Not that I am a security expert, but am thinking tor + vpn should safegaurd things | 12:37 |
| TheGurkha | Hi dogmatic69 | 12:37 |
| ali1234 | no, the only thing that will make you safe is face to face key swapping with trusted friends | 12:38 |
| MartijnVdS | and even some of those can be bought. | 12:39 |
| dogmatic69 | :( | 12:39 |
| dogmatic69 | what about this tor thing? from what I read it can send masses of rubbish when the connection is idle? | 12:40 |
| dogmatic69 | If a lot of people done that I would break what ever they tried to implement | 12:40 |
| MartijnVdS | dogmatic69: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkspiel | 12:41 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Ello peeps :) | 12:45 |
| dogmatic69 | sup bigcalm_laptop | 12:46 |
| popey | bigcalm, happy belated birthday | 12:50 |
| dogmatic69 | ali1234: how about more votes for The Pirate Party? | 12:50 |
| bigcalm_laptop | popey: thank you :) I saw the irssi emails yesterday but was having a day off from computers ;) | 12:51 |
| popey | heh | 12:51 |
| popey | lies | 12:51 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Well... | 12:51 |
| popey | you saw the emails on what? | 12:51 |
| bigcalm_laptop | My phone | 12:51 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Whilst I was in the middle of a wood | 12:51 |
| bigcalm_laptop | On a ramble with my parents | 12:52 |
| MartijnVdS | middle of a wood ircing++ | 12:53 |
| * MartijnVdS is doing it as well | 12:53 | |
| penguin42 | just the rustle of the leaves, the tweeting of birds and the beep of his IRC | 12:57 |
| brobostigon | and rain, as we have here. | 12:59 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Proof: https://plus.google.com/113834766641843352499/posts/ipkMTcMf2vE | 12:59 |
| penguin42 | hmm pretty | 13:05 |
| jesper | Hey. I was wondering if someone could help me out. I'm trying to install Ubuntu 12.04 Desktop using a USB stick, but the install fails with a sequence of error messages, the last one being "ata 7: hard resetting link". I suspect it's something to do with my SSD. I don't have an HDD. | 13:46 |
| popey | interesting | 13:47 |
| popey | I have SSDs in all my 12.04 machines | 13:47 |
| popey | jesper, does your ubuntu machine dual boot with windows or is it clean? | 13:48 |
| jesper | I have windows 7 on it at the moment, i'd like to have a dual boot system. I haven't created the partition for Ubuntu yet though. | 13:49 |
| popey | did the computer come with windows 7? | 13:49 |
| popey | if so, probably there's 4 primary partitions, which is the maximum number of primary partitions you can have on one disk | 13:49 |
| jesper | it came with a trial version of windows 7 premium, i've since installed the licensed version. | 13:50 |
| popey | what are you booted to now? | 13:51 |
| jesper | windows 7 | 13:52 |
| popey | open disk administrator.. are there 4 partitions on disk 0? | 13:52 |
| jesper | no, just checked it - there are two | 13:53 |
| jesper | "System Reserved" and (C:) | 13:53 |
| popey | interesting | 13:53 |
| popey | the hard resetting link usually indicates disk or cable failure I think | 13:56 |
| jesper | right, the thing that confuses me though is that windows says the ssd is fine, and it installed without any problems | 13:57 |
| popey | hang on ata7? | 13:58 |
| popey | how many disks does this machine have? | 13:58 |
| jesper | just a single ssd | 13:58 |
| jesper | yeah, it hangs after the error message above | 13:59 |
| jesper | it's only the last of a series of messages though. the whole series can be seem in comment #2 at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/200217 | 14:00 |
| jesper | *seen | 14:00 |
| andylockran | hey guys | 14:29 |
| andylockran | I need to find a place to host an old joomla 1.0 site whilst I finish off a new site | 14:29 |
| andylockran | any recomemndations - require php < 5.2 | 14:29 |
| penguin42 | andylockran: Bytemark vm ? | 14:31 |
| andylockran | thanks | 14:42 |
| dogmatic69 | andylockran: rackspace? less than 10 quid pm, pay what you use, and install php3 if you like | 14:43 |
| penguin42 | andylockran: Oh if you do use bytemark please say it was a recommendation from VM 'treblig' | 14:44 |
| dogmatic69 | nothing like loosing the V5 right around renewal time :/ | 15:01 |
| popey | gord, now i have this water cool thing.. I guess I could overclock the core2duo E6700 a bit | 17:36 |
| popey | its 2.66GHz at the moment. I had pondered doing the very final upgrade that this pc will ever see.. moving to a quad core q6600 cpu | 17:37 |
| popey | to stretch the life a bit more | 17:37 |
| popey | but actually just nudging up the multiplier should work? | 17:37 |
| penguin42 | moving to the quad will probably be a much better increase | 17:37 |
| popey | 200 quid new though for a q6600 | 17:39 |
| popey | which is 2.4Ghz | 17:39 |
| penguin42 | really? I'm sure an i7 is about the same price | 17:39 |
| popey | yeah, I'm not replacing mobo/ram etc | 17:40 |
| popey | just want to do the final thing to get this as fast as it will ever get | 17:40 |
| penguin42 | nod | 17:40 |
| popey | 2nd hand q6600's can be had on ebay for ~60 | 17:40 |
| popey | dunno whether to get a 2nd user cpu tho? | 17:40 |
| popey | opinions sought | 17:40 |
| penguin42 | yeh sounds a bit dodgy - never done it; you don't know how hot the last guy cooked it | 17:41 |
| popey | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Core-2-Quad-Q6600-SLACR-G0-Processor-2-4GHz-EXCELLENT-COND-/261054888691?pt=UK_Computing_CPUs_Processors&hash=item3cc8157af3 | 17:43 |
| popey | for example | 17:43 |
| penguin42 | popey: http://uk.webuy.com/product.php?sku=SCPUBDNA10 and I think they have a guarentee against it being dead | 17:44 |
| popey | oh, ta | 17:45 |
| penguin42 | popey: Although that ebay one looks in suspiciously good condition if that really is a picture of it - I mean when does anyone keep the box and packaging? and the base of the heatsink looks pristine - either that's not the real picture or it's not actually been used | 17:46 |
| popey | says the heatsink wasnt used | 17:55 |
| penguin42 | ah | 17:56 |
| === jussi01 is now known as jussi | ||
| n1md4 | Radeon HD 5450 or GeForce GT 430 ? | 18:52 |
| Azelphur | n1md4: for gaming? | 18:53 |
| Azelphur | n1md4: it really depends on use case :p | 18:54 |
| n1md4 | both for htpc and gaming, must be silent and cool though ... not sure if that's an oxymoron | 18:54 |
| Azelphur | are you gaming on Linux? | 18:54 |
| Azelphur | or just on Windows | 18:54 |
| n1md4 | Both. | 18:54 |
| Seeker` | GT430 for video on linux | 18:54 |
| Azelphur | yea, take the nvidia | 18:54 |
| Azelphur | the AMD drivers and wine don't get along very well | 18:54 |
| n1md4 | is that with open drivers too? | 18:54 |
| Azelphur | no, that's with the proprietary drivers | 18:55 |
| Azelphur | AMD has better open drivers, but they arn't really up to spec for gaming (yet) | 18:55 |
| n1md4 | I'd only play native games, no emulation. | 18:55 |
| Seeker` | nvidia has better on-board decoding AFAIK | 18:55 |
| Azelphur | n1md4: you still may run into problems using the amd proprietary / open drivers | 18:56 |
| Azelphur | if you want gaming on Linux, the answer is nvidia right now really | 18:56 |
| Seeker` | n1md4: is open drivers actually a requirement? | 18:56 |
| Azelphur | in the future (1-2 years) hopefully AMD will take the crown | 18:56 |
| Azelphur | but right now, nvidia proprietary is the best option | 18:56 |
| Azelphur | (speaking as someone who owns about 10 high end AMD and nvidia cards and tries things out quite often) | 18:57 |
| n1md4 | Ah, okay, that's useful to know :) thanks. | 18:58 |
| Azelphur | n1md4: in like 1 or 2 years it'll swap round, AMD will be better | 18:59 |
| Azelphur | and nvidia is far from perfect | 18:59 |
| * Azelphur awaits the day he can ditch nvidia | 18:59 | |
| n1md4 | Am I right to assume AMD is more supportive than nVIDIA? or are they much the same | 19:00 |
| penguin42 | n1md4: AMD has released all the docs and so yes | 19:00 |
| Azelphur | AMD is much more supportive, they provide hardware specs and have engineers dedicated to working on the open source driver | 19:00 |
| n1md4 | I'm looking at this from AMD http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-512MB-Radeon-Silent-profile/dp/B003CLSH3Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341169325&sr=8-1 and http://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-GeForce-PCI-E-Profile-Bracket/dp/B0046Y4ONK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341169270&sr=8-1 for the nVIDIA card; I'm not after the latest greatest.. do they seem reasonable for hd movies and light gaming? | 19:03 |
| Azelphur | they both arn't going to have much grunt in games | 19:04 |
| Azelphur | the AMD card will be quieter it appears to be fanless | 19:04 |
| n1md4 | right | 19:04 |
| n1md4 | I'm really not too fussed about the gaming; openareana, supcom, simcity ;) | 19:05 |
| n1md4 | so maybe the AMD is the winner in this case. | 19:05 |
| Azelphur | the nvidia card benches about 3 times better than the amd one | 19:06 |
| Azelphur | but yea, for games like that you don't need much | 19:06 |
| Azelphur | hopefully it'll all work fine on either the open source or proprietary amd driver, if not it's only £25 | 19:07 |
| n1md4 | the nv is a more at 50, but still cheap | 19:07 |
| n1md4 | Azelphur: where did you see the benchtests? | 19:09 |
| Azelphur | n1md4: toms hardware | 19:09 |
| n1md4 | ah cool | 19:09 |
| Azelphur | gt 430 is about 3x faster through 3dmark | 19:09 |
| n1md4 | Lastly then, could you recommend a good card, that's cool and quiet? | 19:15 |
| Azelphur | n1md4: not really, I'm more into "screw noise go fast" cards | 19:16 |
| Azelphur | "what is this power of which you wish to be conservative with" :D | 19:16 |
| n1md4 | ;) fair enough, it's the hybrid nature of the beast of which I need to tame. | 19:17 |
| Azelphur | n1md4: I just slung a 5870 in my HTPC | 19:17 |
| Azelphur | never been an issue | 19:17 |
| n1md4 | I've got a 4870 and a 2900, both were too loud :) the 4870 actually made the room too hot too, running at around 70C ... it's on 24/7. | 19:19 |
| Azelphur | lol | 19:20 |
| Azelphur | n1md4: that's not how you heat a room, this is how you heat a room https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2011/May/IMG_20110525_034107.jpg :P | 19:20 |
| n1md4 | hah! that's awesome! reminds me of a time I attempted to build a rock linux cluster | 19:24 |
| n1md4 | is that a crt! old skool ;) | 19:24 |
| Azelphur | n1md4: haha, the CRT obviously only gets used for occasional debugging | 19:29 |
| Azelphur | just some old dumpy thing I had laying about | 19:29 |
| * popey pokes AlanBell | 20:10 | |
| AlanBell | o/ popey | 20:10 |
| gord | popey, overclocked my 2.7ghz quad core to a 3ghz machine recently, only about 5 degrees rise in temperature | 20:10 |
| gord | with the water cooling, i only have one fan on my radiator as well | 20:11 |
| gord | might put another on there for funsies | 20:11 |
| popey | ooh | 20:11 |
| popey | wonder what i could crank the 2.4GHz to | 20:12 |
| * popey attempts madness | 20:12 | |
| popey | or science | 20:12 |
| gord | my mb has a wizard thing for overclocking, i'm on the better performance setting. i tried the super dupa 3.3ghz setting, linux works fine but windows just bsods :( | 20:12 |
| gord | i don't know what the turbo setting would do, maybe set things on fire | 20:13 |
| popey | yeah, mine has a wizard too | 20:13 |
| AlanBell | did anyone see any leap-second problems? | 20:16 |
| czajkowski | oh via my G+ stream | 20:17 |
| czajkowski | a few people are having issues | 20:17 |
| Seeker` | AlanBell: screwed up mythtv | 20:18 |
| * popey tires of the #boycottapple crap | 20:27 | |
| Seeker` | popey: why this time? Android bans? | 20:27 |
| popey | ya | 20:27 |
| Seeker` | eugh, tis silly | 20:27 |
| Seeker` | both the patent battles, and how people react to them | 20:28 |
| AlanBell | Google does not need my assistance | 20:28 |
| Seeker` | Best thing I've seen this week: All of the Americans stating they'll move to Canada because they dont like the idea of socialised healthcare | 20:30 |
| n1md4 | Azelphur: Are you around? My laptop has a ATI Whistler [AMD Radeon HD 6600M Series], so after a little more looking around I found Asus ATI Radeon HD6450, will they be of similar quality? | 20:31 |
| Azelphur | n1md4: the 6450 will be significantly lower | 20:31 |
| n1md4 | Hmm | 20:31 |
| n1md4 | Is there a feature list for the different model types? (could save a few questions) | 20:32 |
| Azelphur | n1md4: it's quite simple really, the first digit is the series, the last 3 digits is the model number, higher model number = better | 20:32 |
| Azelphur | so for example a 5970 would kick the crap out of a 6450 | 20:33 |
| n1md4 | right | 20:33 |
| Azelphur | 800+ is for enthusiasts | 20:33 |
| Azelphur | 9xx are usually a dual gpu version of the 8xx series | 20:33 |
| n1md4 | ahhh which is why the 2900 had comparable performance (in my untrained eye) to the 4870 ? | 20:33 |
| Azelphur | yea, you'll find that the 2900 was probably a twin card too | 20:34 |
| gord | #boycottboycottapple! | 20:34 |
| n1md4 | 600 and 670, alike enough to notice a different? | 20:34 |
| Azelphur | n1md4: the 670 would be faster I think | 20:35 |
| Azelphur | especially since your comparing a mobile gpu to a desktop one | 20:35 |
| Azelphur | n1md4: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html is a pretty useful page | 20:37 |
| popey | gord, is there documentation in unity about what a lens should return ? | 20:46 |
| popey | i.e. the structure of the thing, image, text description, url it links to for example? | 20:46 |
| * popey wonders if AlanBell knows this given his fun with the pron lens :) | 20:47 | |
| gord | there should be, though i don't know where documentation is | 20:47 |
| popey | :( | 20:47 |
| popey | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1070102/ | 20:49 |
| popey | ripped from the video lens, look sane? | 20:49 |
| popey | dnd uri? | 20:49 |
| gord | drag and drop, has to be of a special format (freedesktop.org specifications). like application://firefox.desktop and stuff like that | 20:50 |
| gord | the rest looks exactly like what i deal with in the dash yeah | 20:50 |
| popey | ahh | 20:50 |
| popey | ta | 20:50 |
| Azelphur | Does anyone know how I might check if my 32bit libgl version isn't the same as my kernel? | 21:05 |
| Azelphur | my wine recently broke, and apparently that's probably the issue | 21:05 |
| n1md4 | Azelphur: that's an ace site, thanks. | 21:17 |
| Azelphur | yw | 21:17 |
| popey | yay gord thanks got it working :D | 21:20 |
| * popey has a lens | 21:20 | |
| popey | WARN 2012-07-01 22:17:21 unity.iconloader IconLoader.cpp:536 Unable to load icon redacted.jpg at size 64: Operation not supported | 21:21 |
| popey | ^^ does the lens not support jpegs? | 21:21 |
| gord | of course it can, where is redacted.jpg supposed to be? | 21:21 |
| popey | its a url | 21:21 |
| popey | i removed it | 21:21 |
| popey | but it is a valid url | 21:22 |
| gord | Operation not supported suggests that gio tried to go to the url but was refused read access | 21:22 |
| popey | hmm, wonder why that is, it's just an http accessible image | 21:22 |
| popey | wonder if it needs escaping or url encoding or something | 21:23 |
| bigcalm | Good evening peeps :) | 21:26 |
| gord | i'm not sure if it works behind a proxy if you are behind one, can use UNITY_NEKO=1 unity to see if http is working at all | 21:26 |
| bigcalm | Unified cat? | 21:26 |
| popey | i am not behind a proxy | 21:27 |
| popey | gord, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1003124 | 21:31 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 1003124 in unity (Ubuntu) "creating and running own lens causes failure to load external images" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:31 |
| popey | seems I'm not alone | 21:31 |
| gord | shrug | 21:32 |
| bigcalm | How does the Spotify lens work then? | 21:34 |
| popey | ahh, looks like a problem with other lenses too | 21:38 |
| popey | reckon i need a restart | 21:38 |
| popey | something is not running somewhere | 21:38 |
| popey | time for a restart :D | 21:39 |
| bigcalm | Sounds a bit fishy to me | 21:44 |
| popey | \o/ works | 21:46 |
| Laney | jus' casually snapping bits of my motherboard off | 22:03 |
| bigcalm | Laney: while it's running I hope | 22:03 |
| Laney | unfortunately not | 22:03 |
| Laney | was testing if it's the graphics card that makes my desktop insanely loud | 22:03 |
| Laney | answer: yes | 22:03 |
| dogmatic69 | bought a cheep gigabit network card from maplins on the weekend, claims linux support in broken English. Wish me luck | 22:09 |
| bigcalm | Maplin is singular :) | 22:12 |
| czajkowski | pedant | 22:13 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: me :) | 22:13 |
| directhex | dogmatic69, if it's a commonly used chip, it'll just work | 22:14 |
| dogmatic69 | bigcalm: :P | 22:14 |
| bigcalm | Like Americans saying Legos :( | 22:15 |
| dogmatic69 | directhex: I hope so, the booklet has ./make instructions in broken English too :D | 22:15 |
| directhex | dogmatic69, which chip is on it? | 22:15 |
| dogmatic69 | hmm, its a micronet card. | 22:15 |
| dogmatic69 | RMC chip on it, want the number? | 22:16 |
| dogmatic69 | RTL8169SC | 22:16 |
| directhex | realtek | 22:16 |
| directhex | supported by everything ever | 22:16 |
| dogmatic69 | cool | 22:16 |
| directhex | modinfo r8169 | 22:16 |
| popey | author: Realtek and the Linux r8169 crew <netdev@vger.kernel.org> | 22:17 |
| popey | heh | 22:17 |
| popey | why am I thinking of them dressed as rappers | 22:17 |
| dogmatic69 | hehe | 22:17 |
| bigcalm | It's him! | 22:39 |
| Seeker` | bigcalm: shhhh, you'll invoke his wrath! | 22:40 |
| bigcalm | Sleepy time :) | 22:46 |
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| === chalced is now known as chalcedony | ||
| === Hornet- is now known as Hornet | ||
| Azelphur | Is there any way to get a file browser up, but for a remote computer, so that I can easily move files between drives on that machine? | 23:42 |
| Azelphur | I mount the drives via NFS at the moment, but moving a file means downloading and then reuploading it | 23:43 |
| Azelphur | I wonder if I mounted /media instead of /media/1 /media/2... it'd move files without redownloading them | 23:43 |
| Azelphur | think it would actually, I should do that | 23:43 |
| * Azelphur self solves | 23:44 | |
| === diddledan is now known as zz_diddledan | ||
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