[00:00] hmph, didn't get a 60 [00:17] join #lua === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:28] morning [08:32] morning [08:36] morning lovelies [08:44] christel: ello [08:56] morning all [09:04] meh, I wish Launchpad would support Android translations [09:04] or Rosetta rather [09:23] good morning everyone. [09:30] morning brobostigon [09:30] morning MooDoo [09:30] brobostigon: how are you? [09:31] MooDoo: could be better, this heat is playing with my eczema. and you? [09:31] i'm at work, so in the air con, thanksfully it's quiet. [09:32] thats good, some can be very loud. [09:38] yeah it's fine though, people appear to be staying away from their computers :) [09:40] ok. [09:46] morning all [09:47] hi alan [10:00] good mooorning [10:20] quiet today [10:25] popey: has been quiet over the weekend [10:26] morning christel [10:31] hello MooDoo :) [10:48] * gord wishes everyone a merry mailmans day [11:03] anyone running tor? [11:26] is there an equivilant to debians apt-listbugs , for lucid server ? [12:06] anyone reading about this? http://www.channel4.com/news/black-boxes-to-monitor-all-internet-and-phone-data [12:13] one week they pass laws on using cookies, the next reading your emails... [12:29] dogmatic69: I can't see how they would monitor gmail/facebook unless they started doing ssl falsification and that would be seriously offensive [12:31] modern browsers even detect that [12:31] if you've visited the site before and it gets a new cert [12:31] it'll warn [12:35] Hi Folks, first timer, just lurking to get the hang of things.. [12:35] penguin42: mitm on a massive scale [12:35] hello TheGurkha [12:36] cheers Popey [12:36] there's a new feature in openssl iirc which allows this and makes it transparent MartijnVdS [12:36] sup TheGurkha [12:36] what is "this" [12:37] Not that I am a security expert, but am thinking tor + vpn should safegaurd things [12:37] Hi dogmatic69 [12:38] no, the only thing that will make you safe is face to face key swapping with trusted friends [12:39] and even some of those can be bought. [12:39] :( [12:40] what about this tor thing? from what I read it can send masses of rubbish when the connection is idle? [12:40] If a lot of people done that I would break what ever they tried to implement [12:41] dogmatic69: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkspiel [12:45] Ello peeps :) [12:46] sup bigcalm_laptop [12:50] bigcalm, happy belated birthday [12:50] ali1234: how about more votes for The Pirate Party? [12:51] popey: thank you :) I saw the irssi emails yesterday but was having a day off from computers ;) [12:51] heh [12:51] lies [12:51] Well... [12:51] you saw the emails on what? [12:51] My phone [12:51] Whilst I was in the middle of a wood [12:52] On a ramble with my parents [12:53] middle of a wood ircing++ [12:53] * MartijnVdS is doing it as well [12:57] just the rustle of the leaves, the tweeting of birds and the beep of his IRC [12:59] and rain, as we have here. [12:59] Proof: https://plus.google.com/113834766641843352499/posts/ipkMTcMf2vE [13:05] hmm pretty [13:46] Hey. I was wondering if someone could help me out. I'm trying to install Ubuntu 12.04 Desktop using a USB stick, but the install fails with a sequence of error messages, the last one being "ata 7: hard resetting link". I suspect it's something to do with my SSD. I don't have an HDD. [13:47] interesting [13:47] I have SSDs in all my 12.04 machines [13:48] jesper, does your ubuntu machine dual boot with windows or is it clean? [13:49] I have windows 7 on it at the moment, i'd like to have a dual boot system. I haven't created the partition for Ubuntu yet though. [13:49] did the computer come with windows 7? [13:49] if so, probably there's 4 primary partitions, which is the maximum number of primary partitions you can have on one disk [13:50] it came with a trial version of windows 7 premium, i've since installed the licensed version. [13:51] what are you booted to now? [13:52] windows 7 [13:52] open disk administrator.. are there 4 partitions on disk 0? [13:53] no, just checked it - there are two [13:53] "System Reserved" and (C:) [13:53] interesting [13:56] the hard resetting link usually indicates disk or cable failure I think [13:57] right, the thing that confuses me though is that windows says the ssd is fine, and it installed without any problems [13:58] hang on ata7? [13:58] how many disks does this machine have? [13:58] just a single ssd [13:59] yeah, it hangs after the error message above [14:00] it's only the last of a series of messages though. the whole series can be seem in comment #2 at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/200217 [14:00] *seen [14:29] hey guys [14:29] I need to find a place to host an old joomla 1.0 site whilst I finish off a new site [14:29] any recomemndations - require php < 5.2 [14:31] andylockran: Bytemark vm ? [14:42] thanks [14:43] andylockran: rackspace? less than 10 quid pm, pay what you use, and install php3 if you like [14:44] andylockran: Oh if you do use bytemark please say it was a recommendation from VM 'treblig' [15:01] nothing like loosing the V5 right around renewal time :/ [17:36] gord, now i have this water cool thing.. I guess I could overclock the core2duo E6700 a bit [17:37] its 2.66GHz at the moment. I had pondered doing the very final upgrade that this pc will ever see.. moving to a quad core q6600 cpu [17:37] to stretch the life a bit more [17:37] but actually just nudging up the multiplier should work? [17:37] moving to the quad will probably be a much better increase [17:39] 200 quid new though for a q6600 [17:39] which is 2.4Ghz [17:39] really? I'm sure an i7 is about the same price [17:40] yeah, I'm not replacing mobo/ram etc [17:40] just want to do the final thing to get this as fast as it will ever get [17:40] nod [17:40] 2nd hand q6600's can be had on ebay for ~60 [17:40] dunno whether to get a 2nd user cpu tho? [17:40] opinions sought [17:41] yeh sounds a bit dodgy - never done it; you don't know how hot the last guy cooked it [17:43] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Core-2-Quad-Q6600-SLACR-G0-Processor-2-4GHz-EXCELLENT-COND-/261054888691?pt=UK_Computing_CPUs_Processors&hash=item3cc8157af3 [17:43] for example [17:44] popey: http://uk.webuy.com/product.php?sku=SCPUBDNA10 and I think they have a guarentee against it being dead [17:45] oh, ta [17:46] popey: Although that ebay one looks in suspiciously good condition if that really is a picture of it - I mean when does anyone keep the box and packaging? and the base of the heatsink looks pristine - either that's not the real picture or it's not actually been used [17:55] says the heatsink wasnt used [17:56] ah === jussi01 is now known as jussi [18:52] Radeon HD 5450 or GeForce GT 430 ? [18:53] n1md4: for gaming? [18:54] n1md4: it really depends on use case :p [18:54] both for htpc and gaming, must be silent and cool though ... not sure if that's an oxymoron [18:54] are you gaming on Linux? [18:54] or just on Windows [18:54] Both. [18:54] GT430 for video on linux [18:54] yea, take the nvidia [18:54] the AMD drivers and wine don't get along very well [18:54] is that with open drivers too? [18:55] no, that's with the proprietary drivers [18:55] AMD has better open drivers, but they arn't really up to spec for gaming (yet) [18:55] I'd only play native games, no emulation. [18:55] nvidia has better on-board decoding AFAIK [18:56] n1md4: you still may run into problems using the amd proprietary / open drivers [18:56] if you want gaming on Linux, the answer is nvidia right now really [18:56] n1md4: is open drivers actually a requirement? [18:56] in the future (1-2 years) hopefully AMD will take the crown [18:56] but right now, nvidia proprietary is the best option [18:57] (speaking as someone who owns about 10 high end AMD and nvidia cards and tries things out quite often) [18:58] Ah, okay, that's useful to know :) thanks. [18:59] n1md4: in like 1 or 2 years it'll swap round, AMD will be better [18:59] and nvidia is far from perfect [18:59] * Azelphur awaits the day he can ditch nvidia [19:00] Am I right to assume AMD is more supportive than nVIDIA? or are they much the same [19:00] n1md4: AMD has released all the docs and so yes [19:00] AMD is much more supportive, they provide hardware specs and have engineers dedicated to working on the open source driver [19:03] I'm looking at this from AMD http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-512MB-Radeon-Silent-profile/dp/B003CLSH3Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341169325&sr=8-1 and http://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-GeForce-PCI-E-Profile-Bracket/dp/B0046Y4ONK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341169270&sr=8-1 for the nVIDIA card; I'm not after the latest greatest.. do they seem reasonable for hd movies and light gaming? [19:04] they both arn't going to have much grunt in games [19:04] the AMD card will be quieter it appears to be fanless [19:04] right [19:05] I'm really not too fussed about the gaming; openareana, supcom, simcity ;) [19:05] so maybe the AMD is the winner in this case. [19:06] the nvidia card benches about 3 times better than the amd one [19:06] but yea, for games like that you don't need much [19:07] hopefully it'll all work fine on either the open source or proprietary amd driver, if not it's only £25 [19:07] the nv is a more at 50, but still cheap [19:09] Azelphur: where did you see the benchtests? [19:09] n1md4: toms hardware [19:09] ah cool [19:09] gt 430 is about 3x faster through 3dmark [19:15] Lastly then, could you recommend a good card, that's cool and quiet? [19:16] n1md4: not really, I'm more into "screw noise go fast" cards [19:16] "what is this power of which you wish to be conservative with" :D [19:17] ;) fair enough, it's the hybrid nature of the beast of which I need to tame. [19:17] n1md4: I just slung a 5870 in my HTPC [19:17] never been an issue [19:19] I've got a 4870 and a 2900, both were too loud :) the 4870 actually made the room too hot too, running at around 70C ... it's on 24/7. [19:20] lol [19:20] n1md4: that's not how you heat a room, this is how you heat a room https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2011/May/IMG_20110525_034107.jpg :P [19:24] hah! that's awesome! reminds me of a time I attempted to build a rock linux cluster [19:24] is that a crt! old skool ;) [19:29] n1md4: haha, the CRT obviously only gets used for occasional debugging [19:29] just some old dumpy thing I had laying about [20:10] * popey pokes AlanBell [20:10] o/ popey [20:10] popey, overclocked my 2.7ghz quad core to a 3ghz machine recently, only about 5 degrees rise in temperature [20:11] with the water cooling, i only have one fan on my radiator as well [20:11] might put another on there for funsies [20:11] ooh [20:12] wonder what i could crank the 2.4GHz to [20:12] * popey attempts madness [20:12] or science [20:12] my mb has a wizard thing for overclocking, i'm on the better performance setting. i tried the super dupa 3.3ghz setting, linux works fine but windows just bsods :( [20:13] i don't know what the turbo setting would do, maybe set things on fire [20:13] yeah, mine has a wizard too [20:16] did anyone see any leap-second problems? [20:17] oh via my G+ stream [20:17] a few people are having issues [20:18] AlanBell: screwed up mythtv [20:27] * popey tires of the #boycottapple crap [20:27] popey: why this time? Android bans? [20:27] ya [20:27] eugh, tis silly [20:28] both the patent battles, and how people react to them [20:28] Google does not need my assistance [20:30] Best thing I've seen this week: All of the Americans stating they'll move to Canada because they dont like the idea of socialised healthcare [20:31] Azelphur: Are you around? My laptop has a ATI Whistler [AMD Radeon HD 6600M Series], so after a little more looking around I found Asus ATI Radeon HD6450, will they be of similar quality? [20:31] n1md4: the 6450 will be significantly lower [20:31] Hmm [20:32] Is there a feature list for the different model types? (could save a few questions) [20:32] n1md4: it's quite simple really, the first digit is the series, the last 3 digits is the model number, higher model number = better [20:33] so for example a 5970 would kick the crap out of a 6450 [20:33] right [20:33] 800+ is for enthusiasts [20:33] 9xx are usually a dual gpu version of the 8xx series [20:33] ahhh which is why the 2900 had comparable performance (in my untrained eye) to the 4870 ? [20:34] yea, you'll find that the 2900 was probably a twin card too [20:34] #boycottboycottapple! [20:34] 600 and 670, alike enough to notice a different? [20:35] n1md4: the 670 would be faster I think [20:35] especially since your comparing a mobile gpu to a desktop one [20:37] n1md4: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html is a pretty useful page [20:46] gord, is there documentation in unity about what a lens should return ? [20:46] i.e. the structure of the thing, image, text description, url it links to for example? [20:47] * popey wonders if AlanBell knows this given his fun with the pron lens :) [20:47] there should be, though i don't know where documentation is [20:47] :( [20:49] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1070102/ [20:49] ripped from the video lens, look sane? [20:49] dnd uri? [20:50] drag and drop, has to be of a special format (freedesktop.org specifications). like application://firefox.desktop and stuff like that [20:50] the rest looks exactly like what i deal with in the dash yeah [20:50] ahh [20:50] ta [21:05] Does anyone know how I might check if my 32bit libgl version isn't the same as my kernel? [21:05] my wine recently broke, and apparently that's probably the issue [21:17] Azelphur: that's an ace site, thanks. [21:17] yw [21:20] yay gord thanks got it working :D [21:20] * popey has a lens [21:21] WARN 2012-07-01 22:17:21 unity.iconloader IconLoader.cpp:536 Unable to load icon redacted.jpg at size 64: Operation not supported [21:21] ^^ does the lens not support jpegs? [21:21] of course it can, where is redacted.jpg supposed to be? [21:21] its a url [21:21] i removed it [21:22] but it is a valid url [21:22] Operation not supported suggests that gio tried to go to the url but was refused read access [21:22] hmm, wonder why that is, it's just an http accessible image [21:23] wonder if it needs escaping or url encoding or something [21:26] Good evening peeps :) [21:26] i'm not sure if it works behind a proxy if you are behind one, can use UNITY_NEKO=1 unity to see if http is working at all [21:26] Unified cat? [21:27] i am not behind a proxy [21:31] gord, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1003124 [21:31] Ubuntu bug 1003124 in unity (Ubuntu) "creating and running own lens causes failure to load external images" [Undecided,Confirmed] [21:31] seems I'm not alone [21:32] shrug [21:34] How does the Spotify lens work then? [21:38] ahh, looks like a problem with other lenses too [21:38] reckon i need a restart [21:38] something is not running somewhere [21:39] time for a restart :D [21:44] Sounds a bit fishy to me [21:46] \o/ works [22:03] jus' casually snapping bits of my motherboard off [22:03] Laney: while it's running I hope [22:03] unfortunately not [22:03] was testing if it's the graphics card that makes my desktop insanely loud [22:03] answer: yes [22:09] bought a cheep gigabit network card from maplins on the weekend, claims linux support in broken English. Wish me luck [22:12] Maplin is singular :) [22:13] pedant [22:13] czajkowski: me :) [22:14] dogmatic69, if it's a commonly used chip, it'll just work [22:14] bigcalm: :P [22:15] Like Americans saying Legos :( [22:15] directhex: I hope so, the booklet has ./make instructions in broken English too :D [22:15] dogmatic69, which chip is on it? [22:15] hmm, its a micronet card. [22:16] RMC chip on it, want the number? [22:16] RTL8169SC [22:16] realtek [22:16] supported by everything ever [22:16] cool [22:16] modinfo r8169 [22:17] author: Realtek and the Linux r8169 crew [22:17] heh [22:17] why am I thinking of them dressed as rappers [22:17] hehe [22:39] It's him! [22:40] bigcalm: shhhh, you'll invoke his wrath! [22:46] Sleepy time :) === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === chalced is now known as chalcedony === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [23:42] Is there any way to get a file browser up, but for a remote computer, so that I can easily move files between drives on that machine? [23:43] I mount the drives via NFS at the moment, but moving a file means downloading and then reuploading it [23:43] I wonder if I mounted /media instead of /media/1 /media/2... it'd move files without redownloading them [23:43] think it would actually, I should do that [23:44] * Azelphur self solves === diddledan is now known as zz_diddledan