[00:00] <penguin42> hmph, didn't get a 60
[00:17] <powderfinger> join #lua
[08:28] <popey> morning
[08:32] <czajkowski> morning
[08:36] <christel> morning lovelies
[08:44] <czajkowski> christel: ello
[08:56] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:04] <Myrtti> meh, I wish Launchpad would support Android translations
[09:04] <Myrtti> or Rosetta rather
[09:23] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:30] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:30] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:30] <MooDoo> brobostigon: how are you?
[09:31] <brobostigon> MooDoo: could be better, this heat is playing with my eczema. and you?
[09:31] <MooDoo> i'm at work, so in the air con, thanksfully it's quiet.
[09:32] <brobostigon> thats good, some can be very loud.
[09:38] <MooDoo> yeah it's fine though, people appear to be staying away from their computers :)
[09:40] <brobostigon> ok.
[09:46] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:47] <MooDoo> hi alan
[10:00] <christel> good mooorning
[10:20] <popey> quiet today
[10:25] <MooDoo> popey: has been quiet over the weekend
[10:26] <MooDoo> morning christel
[10:31] <christel> hello MooDoo :)
[10:48]  * gord wishes everyone a merry mailmans day
[11:03] <dogmatic69> anyone running tor?
[11:26] <brobostigon> is there an equivilant to debians apt-listbugs , for lucid server ?
[12:06] <dogmatic69> anyone reading about this? http://www.channel4.com/news/black-boxes-to-monitor-all-internet-and-phone-data
[12:13] <dogmatic69> one week they pass laws on using cookies, the next reading your emails...
[12:29] <penguin42> dogmatic69: I can't see how they would monitor gmail/facebook unless they started doing ssl falsification and that would be seriously offensive
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> modern browsers even detect that
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> if you've visited the site before and it gets a new cert
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> it'll warn
[12:35] <TheGurkha> Hi Folks, first timer, just lurking to get the hang of things..
[12:35] <dogmatic69> penguin42: mitm on a massive scale
[12:35] <popey> hello TheGurkha
[12:36] <TheGurkha> cheers Popey
[12:36] <popey> there's a new feature in openssl iirc which allows this and makes it transparent MartijnVdS
[12:36] <dogmatic69> sup TheGurkha
[12:36] <ali1234> what is "this"
[12:37] <dogmatic69> Not that I am a security expert, but am thinking tor + vpn should safegaurd things
[12:37] <TheGurkha> Hi dogmatic69
[12:38] <ali1234> no, the only thing that will make you safe is face to face key swapping with trusted friends
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> and even some of those can be bought.
[12:39] <dogmatic69> :(
[12:40] <dogmatic69> what about this tor thing? from what I read it can send masses of rubbish when the connection is idle?
[12:40] <dogmatic69> If a lot of people done that I would break what ever they tried to implement
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkspiel
[12:45] <bigcalm_laptop> Ello peeps :)
[12:46] <dogmatic69> sup bigcalm_laptop
[12:50] <popey> bigcalm, happy belated birthday
[12:50] <dogmatic69> ali1234: how about more votes for The Pirate Party?
[12:51] <bigcalm_laptop> popey: thank you :) I saw the irssi emails yesterday but was having a day off from computers ;)
[12:51] <popey> heh
[12:51] <popey> lies
[12:51] <bigcalm_laptop> Well...
[12:51] <popey> you saw the emails on what?
[12:51] <bigcalm_laptop> My phone
[12:51] <bigcalm_laptop> Whilst I was in the middle of a wood
[12:52] <bigcalm_laptop> On a ramble with my parents
[12:53] <MartijnVdS> middle of a wood ircing++
[12:53]  * MartijnVdS is doing it as well
[12:57] <penguin42> just the rustle of the leaves, the tweeting of birds and the beep of his IRC
[12:59] <brobostigon> and rain, as we have here.
[12:59] <bigcalm_laptop> Proof: https://plus.google.com/113834766641843352499/posts/ipkMTcMf2vE
[13:05] <penguin42> hmm pretty
[13:46] <jesper> Hey. I was wondering if someone could help me out. I'm trying to install Ubuntu 12.04 Desktop using a USB stick, but the install fails with a sequence of error messages, the last one being "ata 7: hard resetting link". I suspect it's something to do with my SSD. I don't have an HDD.
[13:47] <popey> interesting
[13:47] <popey> I have SSDs in all my 12.04 machines
[13:48] <popey> jesper, does your ubuntu machine dual boot with windows or is it clean?
[13:49] <jesper> I have windows 7 on it at the moment, i'd like to have a dual boot system. I haven't created the partition for Ubuntu yet though.
[13:49] <popey> did the computer come with windows 7?
[13:49] <popey> if so, probably there's 4 primary partitions, which is the maximum number of primary partitions you can have on one disk
[13:50] <jesper> it came with a trial version of windows 7 premium, i've since installed the licensed version.
[13:51] <popey> what are you booted to now?
[13:52] <jesper> windows 7
[13:52] <popey> open disk administrator.. are there 4 partitions on disk 0?
[13:53] <jesper> no, just checked it - there are two
[13:53] <jesper> "System Reserved" and (C:)
[13:53] <popey> interesting
[13:56] <popey> the hard resetting link usually indicates disk or cable failure I think
[13:57] <jesper> right, the thing that confuses me though is that windows says the ssd is fine, and it installed without any problems
[13:58] <popey> hang on ata7?
[13:58] <popey> how many disks does this machine have?
[13:58] <jesper> just a single ssd
[13:59] <jesper> yeah, it hangs after the error message above
[14:00] <jesper> it's only the last of a series of messages though. the whole series can be seem in comment #2 at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/200217
[14:00] <jesper> *seen
[14:29] <andylockran> hey guys
[14:29] <andylockran> I need to find a place to host an old joomla 1.0 site whilst I finish off a new site
[14:29] <andylockran> any recomemndations - require php < 5.2
[14:31] <penguin42> andylockran: Bytemark vm ?
[14:42] <andylockran> thanks
[14:43] <dogmatic69> andylockran: rackspace? less than 10 quid pm, pay what you use, and install php3 if you like
[14:44] <penguin42> andylockran: Oh if you do use bytemark please say it was a recommendation from VM 'treblig'
[15:01] <dogmatic69> nothing like loosing the V5 right around renewal time :/
[17:36] <popey> gord, now i have this water cool thing.. I guess I could overclock the core2duo E6700 a bit
[17:37] <popey> its 2.66GHz at the moment. I had pondered doing the very final upgrade that this pc will ever see.. moving to a quad core q6600 cpu
[17:37] <popey> to stretch the life a bit more
[17:37] <popey> but actually just nudging up the multiplier should work?
[17:37] <penguin42> moving to the quad will probably be a much better increase
[17:39] <popey> 200 quid new though for a q6600
[17:39] <popey> which is 2.4Ghz
[17:39] <penguin42> really? I'm sure an i7 is about the same price
[17:40] <popey> yeah, I'm not replacing mobo/ram etc
[17:40] <popey> just want to do the final thing to get this as fast as it will ever get
[17:40] <penguin42> nod
[17:40] <popey> 2nd hand q6600's can be had on ebay for ~60
[17:40] <popey> dunno whether to get a 2nd user cpu tho?
[17:40] <popey> opinions sought
[17:41] <penguin42> yeh sounds a bit dodgy - never done it; you don't know how hot the last guy cooked it
[17:43] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Core-2-Quad-Q6600-SLACR-G0-Processor-2-4GHz-EXCELLENT-COND-/261054888691?pt=UK_Computing_CPUs_Processors&hash=item3cc8157af3
[17:43] <popey> for example
[17:44] <penguin42> popey: http://uk.webuy.com/product.php?sku=SCPUBDNA10   and I think they have a guarentee against it being dead
[17:45] <popey> oh, ta
[17:46] <penguin42> popey: Although that ebay one looks in suspiciously good condition if that really is a picture of it - I mean when does anyone keep the box and packaging? and the base of the heatsink looks pristine - either that's not the real picture or it's not actually been used
[17:55] <popey> says the heatsink wasnt used
[17:56] <penguin42> ah
[18:52] <n1md4> Radeon HD 5450 or GeForce GT 430 ?
[18:53] <Azelphur> n1md4: for gaming?
[18:54] <Azelphur> n1md4: it really depends on use case :p
[18:54] <n1md4> both for htpc and gaming, must be silent and cool though ... not sure if that's an oxymoron
[18:54] <Azelphur> are you gaming on Linux?
[18:54] <Azelphur> or just on Windows
[18:54] <n1md4> Both.
[18:54] <Seeker`> GT430 for video on linux
[18:54] <Azelphur> yea, take the nvidia
[18:54] <Azelphur> the AMD drivers and wine don't get along very well
[18:54] <n1md4> is that with open drivers too?
[18:55] <Azelphur> no, that's with the proprietary drivers
[18:55] <Azelphur> AMD has better open drivers, but they arn't really up to spec for gaming (yet)
[18:55] <n1md4> I'd only play native games, no emulation.
[18:55] <Seeker`> nvidia has better on-board decoding AFAIK
[18:56] <Azelphur> n1md4: you still may run into problems using the amd proprietary / open drivers
[18:56] <Azelphur> if you want gaming on Linux, the answer is nvidia right now really
[18:56] <Seeker`> n1md4: is open drivers actually a requirement?
[18:56] <Azelphur> in the future (1-2 years) hopefully AMD will take the crown
[18:56] <Azelphur> but right now, nvidia proprietary is the best option
[18:57] <Azelphur> (speaking as someone who owns about 10 high end AMD and nvidia cards and tries things out quite often)
[18:58] <n1md4> Ah, okay, that's useful to know :) thanks.
[18:59] <Azelphur> n1md4: in like 1 or 2 years it'll swap round, AMD will be better
[18:59] <Azelphur> and nvidia is far from perfect
[18:59]  * Azelphur awaits the day he can ditch nvidia
[19:00] <n1md4> Am I right to assume AMD is more supportive than nVIDIA?  or are they much the same
[19:00] <penguin42> n1md4: AMD has released all the docs and so yes
[19:00] <Azelphur> AMD is much more supportive, they provide hardware specs and have engineers dedicated to working on the open source driver
[19:03] <n1md4> I'm looking at this from AMD http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-512MB-Radeon-Silent-profile/dp/B003CLSH3Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341169325&sr=8-1 and http://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-GeForce-PCI-E-Profile-Bracket/dp/B0046Y4ONK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341169270&sr=8-1 for the nVIDIA card; I'm not after the latest greatest..  do they seem reasonable for hd movies and light gaming?
[19:04] <Azelphur> they both arn't going to have much grunt in games
[19:04] <Azelphur> the AMD card will be quieter it appears to be fanless
[19:04] <n1md4> right
[19:05] <n1md4> I'm really not too fussed about the gaming; openareana, supcom, simcity ;)
[19:05] <n1md4> so maybe the AMD is the winner in this case.
[19:06] <Azelphur> the nvidia card benches about 3 times better than the amd one
[19:06] <Azelphur> but yea, for games like that you don't need much
[19:07] <Azelphur> hopefully it'll all work fine on either the open source or proprietary amd driver, if not it's only £25
[19:07] <n1md4> the nv is a more at 50, but still cheap
[19:09] <n1md4> Azelphur: where did you see the benchtests?
[19:09] <Azelphur> n1md4: toms hardware
[19:09] <n1md4> ah cool
[19:09] <Azelphur> gt 430 is about 3x faster through 3dmark
[19:15] <n1md4> Lastly then, could you recommend a good card, that's cool and quiet?
[19:16] <Azelphur> n1md4: not really, I'm more into "screw noise go fast" cards
[19:16] <Azelphur> "what is this power of which you wish to be conservative with" :D
[19:17] <n1md4> ;) fair enough, it's the hybrid nature of the beast of which I need to tame.
[19:17] <Azelphur> n1md4: I just slung a 5870 in my HTPC
[19:17] <Azelphur> never been an issue
[19:19] <n1md4> I've got a 4870 and a 2900, both were too loud :)  the 4870 actually made the room too hot too, running at around 70C ... it's on 24/7.
[19:20] <Azelphur> lol
[19:20] <Azelphur> n1md4: that's not how you heat a room, this is how you heat a room https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2011/May/IMG_20110525_034107.jpg :P
[19:24] <n1md4> hah!  that's awesome!  reminds me of a time I attempted to build a rock linux cluster
[19:24] <n1md4> is that a crt! old skool ;)
[19:29] <Azelphur> n1md4: haha, the CRT obviously only gets used for occasional debugging
[19:29] <Azelphur> just some old dumpy thing I had laying about
[20:10]  * popey pokes AlanBell 
[20:10] <AlanBell> o/ popey
[20:10] <gord> popey, overclocked my 2.7ghz quad core to a 3ghz machine recently, only about 5 degrees rise in temperature
[20:11] <gord> with the water cooling, i only have one fan on my radiator as well
[20:11] <gord> might put another on there for funsies
[20:11] <popey> ooh
[20:12] <popey> wonder what i could crank the 2.4GHz to
[20:12]  * popey attempts madness
[20:12] <popey> or science
[20:12] <gord> my mb has a wizard thing for overclocking, i'm on the better performance setting. i tried the super dupa 3.3ghz setting, linux works fine but windows just bsods :(
[20:13] <gord> i don't know what the turbo setting would do, maybe set things on fire
[20:13] <popey> yeah, mine has a wizard too
[20:16] <AlanBell> did anyone see any leap-second problems?
[20:17] <czajkowski> oh via my G+ stream
[20:17] <czajkowski> a few people are having issues
[20:18] <Seeker`> AlanBell: screwed up mythtv
[20:27]  * popey tires of the #boycottapple crap
[20:27] <Seeker`> popey: why this time? Android bans?
[20:27] <popey> ya
[20:27] <Seeker`> eugh, tis silly
[20:28] <Seeker`> both the patent battles, and how people react to them
[20:28] <AlanBell> Google does not need my assistance
[20:30] <Seeker`> Best thing I've seen this week: All of the Americans stating they'll move to Canada because they dont like the idea of socialised healthcare
[20:31] <n1md4> Azelphur: Are you around?  My laptop has a ATI Whistler [AMD Radeon HD 6600M Series], so after a little more looking around I found Asus ATI Radeon HD6450, will they be of similar quality?
[20:31] <Azelphur> n1md4: the 6450 will be significantly lower
[20:31] <n1md4> Hmm
[20:32] <n1md4> Is there a feature list for the different model types?  (could save a few questions)
[20:32] <Azelphur> n1md4: it's quite simple really, the first digit is the series, the last 3 digits is the model number, higher model number = better
[20:33] <Azelphur> so for example a 5970 would kick the crap out of a 6450
[20:33] <n1md4> right
[20:33] <Azelphur> 800+ is for enthusiasts
[20:33] <Azelphur> 9xx are usually a dual gpu version of the 8xx series
[20:33] <n1md4> ahhh which is why the 2900 had comparable performance (in my untrained eye) to the 4870 ?
[20:34] <Azelphur> yea, you'll find that the 2900 was probably a twin card too
[20:34] <gord> #boycottboycottapple!
[20:34] <n1md4> 600 and 670, alike enough to notice a different?
[20:35] <Azelphur> n1md4: the 670 would be faster I think
[20:35] <Azelphur> especially since your comparing a mobile gpu to a desktop one
[20:37] <Azelphur> n1md4: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html is a pretty useful page
[20:46] <popey> gord, is there documentation in unity about what a lens should return ?
[20:46] <popey> i.e. the structure of the thing, image, text description, url it links to for example?
[20:47]  * popey wonders if AlanBell knows this given his fun with the pron lens :)
[20:47] <gord> there should be, though i don't know where documentation is
[20:47] <popey> :(
[20:49] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1070102/
[20:49] <popey> ripped from the video lens, look sane?
[20:49] <popey> dnd uri?
[20:50] <gord> drag and drop, has to be of a special format (freedesktop.org specifications). like application://firefox.desktop and stuff like that
[20:50] <gord> the rest looks exactly like what i deal with in the dash yeah
[20:50] <popey> ahh
[20:50] <popey> ta
[21:05] <Azelphur> Does anyone know how I might check if my 32bit libgl version isn't the same as my kernel?
[21:05] <Azelphur> my wine recently broke, and apparently that's probably the issue
[21:17] <n1md4> Azelphur: that's an ace site, thanks.
[21:17] <Azelphur> yw
[21:20] <popey> yay gord thanks got it working :D
[21:20]  * popey has a lens
[21:21] <popey> WARN  2012-07-01 22:17:21 unity.iconloader IconLoader.cpp:536 Unable to load icon redacted.jpg at size 64: Operation not supported
[21:21] <popey> ^^ does the lens not support jpegs?
[21:21] <gord> of course it can, where is redacted.jpg supposed to be?
[21:21] <popey> its a url
[21:21] <popey> i removed it
[21:22] <popey> but it is a valid url
[21:22] <gord> Operation not supported suggests that gio tried to go to the url but was refused read access
[21:22] <popey> hmm, wonder why that is, it's just an http accessible image
[21:23] <popey> wonder if it needs escaping or url encoding or something
[21:26] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[21:26] <gord> i'm not sure if it works behind a proxy if you are behind one, can use UNITY_NEKO=1 unity to see if http is working at all
[21:26] <bigcalm> Unified cat?
[21:27] <popey> i am not behind a proxy
[21:31] <popey> gord, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1003124
[21:31] <popey> seems I'm not alone
[21:32] <gord> shrug
[21:34] <bigcalm> How does the Spotify lens work then?
[21:38] <popey> ahh, looks like a problem with other lenses too
[21:38] <popey> reckon i need a restart
[21:38] <popey> something is not running somewhere
[21:39] <popey> time for a restart :D
[21:44] <bigcalm> Sounds a bit fishy to me
[21:46] <popey> \o/ works
[22:03] <Laney> jus' casually snapping bits of my motherboard off
[22:03] <bigcalm> Laney: while it's running I hope
[22:03] <Laney> unfortunately not
[22:03] <Laney> was testing if it's the graphics card that makes my desktop insanely loud
[22:03] <Laney> answer: yes
[22:09] <dogmatic69> bought a cheep gigabit network card from maplins on the weekend, claims linux support in broken English. Wish me luck
[22:12] <bigcalm> Maplin is singular :)
[22:13] <czajkowski> pedant
[22:13] <bigcalm> czajkowski: me :)
[22:14] <directhex> dogmatic69, if it's a commonly used chip, it'll just work
[22:14] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: :P
[22:15] <bigcalm> Like Americans saying Legos :(
[22:15] <dogmatic69> directhex: I hope so, the booklet has ./make instructions in broken English too :D
[22:15] <directhex> dogmatic69, which chip is on it?
[22:15] <dogmatic69> hmm, its a micronet card.
[22:16] <dogmatic69> RMC chip on it, want the number?
[22:16] <dogmatic69> RTL8169SC
[22:16] <directhex> realtek
[22:16] <directhex> supported by everything ever
[22:16] <dogmatic69> cool
[22:16] <directhex> modinfo r8169
[22:17] <popey> author:         Realtek and the Linux r8169 crew <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
[22:17] <popey> heh
[22:17] <popey> why am I thinking of them dressed as rappers
[22:17] <dogmatic69> hehe
[22:39] <bigcalm> It's him!
[22:40] <Seeker`> bigcalm: shhhh, you'll invoke his wrath!
[22:46] <bigcalm> Sleepy time :)
[23:42] <Azelphur> Is there any way to get a file browser up, but for a remote computer, so that I can easily move files between drives on that machine?
[23:43] <Azelphur> I mount the drives via NFS at the moment, but moving a file means downloading and then reuploading it
[23:43] <Azelphur> I wonder if I mounted /media instead of /media/1 /media/2... it'd move files without redownloading them
[23:43] <Azelphur> think it would actually, I should do that
[23:44]  * Azelphur self solves