| Ludo | Hi guys, can anybody else reach ubuntu-archive.mirror.ac.za (155.232.191.229)? | 08:14 |
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| tumbleweed | Symmetria: ^ | 08:25 |
| Symmetria | hrm | 10:34 |
| Symmetria | lemme look | 10:34 |
| Symmetria | hold on | 10:34 |
| Symmetria | something odd going on with the network there I think | 10:36 |
| Banlam | inetpro, the program is still only capable of noting whether electricity is flowing or not | 12:10 |
| Kilos | afternoon all | 13:10 |
| Kilos | Maaz: coffee on | 13:10 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 13:10 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 13:14 |
| Kilos | ty | 13:15 |
| Kilos | Maaz: ty | 13:15 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 13:15 |
| Banlam | maaz, ty | 13:17 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Banlam | 13:17 |
| Banlam | maaz, for what? | 13:17 |
| Maaz | Banlam: *blink* | 13:17 |
| Kilos | kbmonkey, ping | 14:57 |
| Kilos | he must have a hollow head the pings go straight through | 14:58 |
| charl | good evening | 15:32 |
| Kilos | hmmm | 15:39 |
| Kilos | wb charl | 15:46 |
| Kilos | you like a yoyo tonight | 15:46 |
| Kilos | internet very sick | 15:46 |
| Kilos | yo Langjan | 15:50 |
| jan_ | hi kilos | 15:51 |
| Kilos | you managed xchat | 15:51 |
| jan_ | yes on Jua's machine | 15:51 |
| charl | hi Kilos | 15:51 |
| charl | no i was being an idiot | 15:51 |
| Kilos | nm charl | 15:51 |
| charl | i accidentally configured xchat to quit when i close it | 15:51 |
| charl | instead of minimizing to the tray | 15:52 |
| charl | i was like "wtf happened to xchat" but eventually figured it out | 15:52 |
| Kilos | jan look on the left | 15:52 |
| Kilos | hehe | 15:52 |
| jan_ | my left or yours? | 15:53 |
| jan_ | by kilos? | 15:53 |
| Kilos | ya | 15:53 |
| charl | hi jan_ | 15:54 |
| charl | how's it going with you? having a good weekend so far? | 15:55 |
| Kilos | yip and you | 15:55 |
| charl | not bad | 15:55 |
| charl | spent the day in germany | 15:56 |
| Kilos | great | 15:56 |
| charl | yeah i love germany, the girls are cute too :) | 15:56 |
| Kilos | what must jan edit to extend the time the grub menu shows to 10 secs | 15:57 |
| charl | 1 sec | 15:57 |
| jan_ | ok with you | 16:00 |
| charl | so you are wanting to change the GRUB_TIMEOUT value right? | 16:01 |
| Kilos | he is looking for what file to edit i hope | 16:01 |
| Kilos | ya | 16:01 |
| charl | /etc/default/grub i think is what you are looking for | 16:02 |
| Kilos | ty charl | 16:02 |
| Kilos | jan on your pc if its still going | 16:02 |
| jan_ | yes | 16:02 |
| Kilos | sudo gedit /etc/default/grub | 16:03 |
| Kilos | i hope you have gedit installed | 16:03 |
| jan_ | yes I do | 16:03 |
| charl | as the file also says on the top, remember to run update-grub afterwards | 16:03 |
| Kilos | somewhere you gotta just change the time there to 10 secs then go file and save | 16:03 |
| charl | also using sudo | 16:03 |
| jan_ | ok ill run that command | 16:04 |
| charl | the default value on my machine is actually 10 seconds | 16:04 |
| charl | GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 | 16:04 |
| Kilos | ya 10 is good | 16:04 |
| charl | brb, dinner :) | 16:05 |
| Kilos | but im battling to explain to him what he must see on booting to be able to go to the terminal from grub menu | 16:05 |
| charl | ah | 16:05 |
| charl | ok i am unsure of this myself | 16:05 |
| charl | ubuntu has all this fancy graphical boot loader stuff | 16:06 |
| charl | i haven't dual booted in quite some time so haven't been keeping myself up to date on this | 16:06 |
| Kilos | thats why i have him on two pcs so we can chat on one and try fix the other | 16:06 |
| charl | quite frankly i don't like all this extra cruft but i'm probably in the minority on this one :) | 16:06 |
| jan_ | my timeout is set at 10 | 16:07 |
| charl | GRUB_TERMINAL=console | 16:07 |
| Kilos | ok jan_ | 16:07 |
| charl | that might be something you could try to uncomment if you are having trouble | 16:07 |
| charl | i don't know if it will help but worth a shot | 16:07 |
| Kilos | when you boot do you see the grub menu before the logo thingie | 16:07 |
| jan_ | sorry kilos I have visitors, will try to get you again | 16:08 |
| Kilos | where it counts down the 10 secs | 16:08 |
| Kilos | ok jan_ np | 16:08 |
| Kilos | he has a prob where he cant do any update or install or anything. ms fonts made one of his package installers not close down methinks | 16:10 |
| Kilos | i had a similar prob a year ago or so and only way to fix was to go to terminal from brub menu if i remember right' | 16:11 |
| Kilos | grub | 16:11 |
| magespawn | Evening all | 16:17 |
| charl | hi magespawn | 16:17 |
| Kilos | hiya magespawn | 16:18 |
| magespawn | Hey charl, Kilos | 16:19 |
| magespawn | Anybody know how to use a hexeditor? | 16:27 |
| charl | magespawn: only used one a few times | 16:27 |
| Kilos | sjoe what you wanna do magespawn | 16:28 |
| charl | hex editing is a pain but it's handy | 16:30 |
| magespawn | I am opening those virus files I pulled of the flash drive in my shop. | 16:30 |
| Kilos | oh that | 16:31 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 16:31 |
| charl | lol ok | 16:31 |
| charl | what exactly are you hoping to find? | 16:31 |
| charl | not that it's a bad exercise, could be quite interesting | 16:31 |
| magespawn | Some clue as to what they do. | 16:31 |
| charl | you'll need to have an assembly code instruction set reference handy | 16:32 |
| magespawn | I can export the file as a text and paste it on the net. | 16:32 |
| charl | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_instruction_listings | 16:32 |
| magespawn | I do not even know what that is. | 16:32 |
| magespawn | Ahh ty. | 16:32 |
| charl | http://ref.x86asm.net/ | 16:35 |
| charl | http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/architectures-software-developer-manuals.html | 16:35 |
| charl | some stuff to get you started :) | 16:35 |
| magespawn | Cool. | 16:36 |
| charl | this is also something to look at perhaps: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/X86_Disassembly/Analysis_Tools | 16:36 |
| charl | there are a bunch of debugging tools although i have very limited experience with most of them | 16:37 |
| charl | one thing to do would be to set up a virtual machine running windows and actually infect the installation | 16:37 |
| charl | then monitor the processes, disk i/o, network activity etc | 16:38 |
| charl | see what it does when actually executed | 16:38 |
| Kilos | and see what it does | 16:38 |
| Kilos | hehe | 16:38 |
| Kilos | be careful though some virusses atack your mbr | 16:39 |
| magespawn | Thats a good idea. I have a good idea of what one does already. | 16:39 |
| charl | that would probably be the easiest yes because sifting through a bunch of binary instructions could be long-winded unless you know specifically what you are looking for | 16:39 |
| charl | depending on how large the virus is also, i guess | 16:39 |
| charl | Kilos: if you're running it inside a virtual machine, you should be pretty safe as it would try to write to the mbr of the virtual disk | 16:40 |
| Kilos | ah | 16:40 |
| charl | if the virus is really smart it could try to hack your hypervisor, that would not be good | 16:40 |
| charl | but i don't think that would be your typical virus though | 16:40 |
| magespawn | I have machines that do not have info on so it does not matter if I have to format etc. | 16:41 |
| charl | in fact, if you find a virus like that in the wild, you should write a research paper on it :) | 16:41 |
| magespawn | So stand alone machines that do not matter. | 16:42 |
| Kilos | sjoe good luck magespawn | 16:44 |
| Kilos | virii for windows were the main reason i looked for an alterante OS to start with | 16:45 |
| magespawn | Would be interested to see what these guys are trying to do. | 16:48 |
| charl | magespawn: as long as you can put it inside a controlled environment that you can monitor, that would be the idea | 16:48 |
| charl | yeah some very interesting research indeeed | 16:48 |
| magespawn | Hmmm maybe I get famous for writing the perfect antivirus, lol | 16:51 |
| Kilos | lol go for it. those peeps are very clever | 16:52 |
| Kilos | new virii daily | 16:52 |
| magespawn | The problem with most is the definition/database gets too large. | 16:52 |
| magespawn | Even with cloud database's . | 16:55 |
| magespawn | This is probably not a new idea. | 16:59 |
| magespawn | But it would be better to stop files based on what they are trying to do. | 17:00 |
| magespawn | I do not really know enough yet. | 17:00 |
| magespawn | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120622/14185719439/speak-out-against-copyright-holders-destroying-true-property-rights.shtml | 17:25 |
| magespawn | This is real madness.^^ | 17:25 |
| Kilos | hiya superfly | 17:28 |
| Kilos | welcome to ubuntu-za | 17:28 |
| superfly | hi Kilos, magespawn, etc | 17:28 |
| Kilos | hehe | 17:28 |
| magespawn | Hi superfly | 17:30 |
| charl | hi Sub_Oracle | 17:38 |
| charl | bah | 17:38 |
| charl | hi superfly | 17:38 |
| charl | autotype ftl | 17:38 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:38 |
| superfly | hi charl | 17:39 |
| charl | yeah Kilos the other day it was your turn, now it was mine :) | 17:39 |
| charl | or i'll do like yesterday and reply to myself, classy! | 17:39 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 17:39 |
| charl | a monologue of note | 17:39 |
| Kilos | you on a android thing charl | 17:40 |
| Kilos | hi not_found | 17:40 |
| not_found | alo uncle Kilos | 17:40 |
| charl | nope on xchat like a noob | 17:40 |
| not_found | xchat ftw | 17:40 |
| Kilos | xchat rocks | 17:40 |
| charl | the other day my colleague said "you are on xchat, so now you're using gui applications like a noob, what is this" | 17:41 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:41 |
| charl | i have a reputation to protect and all... this noobification is no good | 17:41 |
| Kilos | some geeks think its not cool to use apps that normal guys use | 17:41 |
| not_found | if this is the case why use Ubuntu... | 17:42 |
| charl | yeah then they can't be "ub3rl33t" | 17:42 |
| not_found | Gentoo is the win | 17:42 |
| charl | not_found: very good point, time to install arch | 17:42 |
| not_found | lol | 17:42 |
| charl | gentoo is for the weak | 17:42 |
| charl | chuck norris doesn | 17:42 |
| Kilos | charl you want basic go get tinycorelinux | 17:42 |
| charl | doesn't approve | 17:42 |
| charl | yeah now that is a bit too minimalist for me ;) | 17:43 |
| charl | it would take me a year to get my wireless interface working lol | 17:43 |
| Kilos | 66m download to get the one to install on a drive or 24m without install options | 17:43 |
| superfly | y'all a bunch of n00bs - try FreeBSD | 17:44 |
| Kilos | but they even have xchat for it too | 17:44 |
| superfly | :-P | 17:44 |
| Kilos | lol @ superfly | 17:44 |
| charl | superfly: freebsd is for kids, openbsd ftw | 17:44 |
| charl | i have an openbsd sticker on my laptop actually | 17:44 |
| charl | lemme make a pic | 17:45 |
| magespawn | Hah none of you have got what it takes, windows is where its at. | 17:45 |
| Kilos | haha | 17:46 |
| charl | http://i.imgur.com/usp7C.jpg | 17:46 |
| charl | windoze ftw | 17:46 |
| magespawn | Getting that to work reliable all the time or at all is impossible | 17:46 |
| charl | windows is for the hard core user | 17:47 |
| Kilos | windows for the rich brave hearts | 17:48 |
| Kilos | with many IT friends | 17:48 |
| magespawn | That too. | 17:52 |
| Kilos | hi jan | 17:52 |
| jan_ | hi kilos hoe gaan dit? | 17:53 |
| magespawn | http://torrentfreak.com/music-piracy-is-not-a-problem-its-an-excuse-120630/ more legal copyright stuff. | 17:53 |
| Kilos | you here twice Langjan en jan_ | 17:53 |
| Kilos | hehe | 17:53 |
| Kilos | goed dankie en U | 17:53 |
| not_found | many people grew up with Windows and find it way easier than Linux (just saying) | 17:53 |
| jan_ | so I'm a twin, where does the other me come from? | 17:53 |
| jan_ | Ook goed dankie | 17:54 |
| magespawn | I did, but I liked the dos and win 3.11 era. | 17:54 |
| Kilos | i dunno what you have done, but 2 of you is better than none | 17:54 |
| jan_ | how do I delete the jan_? | 17:54 |
| magespawn | Only got into linux a couple of years ago. | 17:54 |
| Kilos | ? | 17:54 |
| magespawn | You mean change your nick? | 17:55 |
| jan_ | ok do you have the time to get back to my problem? | 17:55 |
| Kilos | look in your first xchat window and see if you have got you nick in twice | 17:55 |
| Kilos | ya got time | 17:56 |
| magespawn | jan_ what is the problem? | 17:56 |
| Kilos | magespawn, you havent seen lists | 17:56 |
| magespawn | Brb. | 17:56 |
| not_found | catch you all later :) | 17:57 |
| not_found | bye | 17:57 |
| Kilos | toods not_found | 17:57 |
| magespawn | Bye not_found | 17:57 |
| magespawn | Oh your dpkg problem. | 17:58 |
| Kilos | magespawn, he has a msfonts thing that is stopping one of his package managers from closing i think\ | 17:58 |
| magespawn | There is a command to fix that. Hold on. | 17:59 |
| Kilos | i think i had similar year or two ago | 17:59 |
| Kilos | you dont see the manager running it hides | 17:59 |
| Kilos | you watching this space jan_ ? | 18:00 |
| magespawn | http://mirkolofio.wordpress.com/2012/03/28/unlock-varlibdpkglock-when-youre-locked-out/ | 18:00 |
| jan_ | yes kilos | 18:00 |
| Kilos | can you browse to that link magespawn just gave | 18:01 |
| magespawn | http://ariesyoussefian.com/2011/10/17/fix-dpkg-status-database-locked-process-ubuntu/ | 18:01 |
| jan_ | ok thanks | 18:01 |
| Kilos | good luck we will be here | 18:01 |
| jan_ | thks kilos | 18:01 |
| Kilos | yw | 18:01 |
| Kilos | magespawn, you on pc or fone? | 18:02 |
| magespawn | Fone. | 18:02 |
| Kilos | sjoe you a master at it hey? | 18:02 |
| magespawn | Getting there. | 18:02 |
| Kilos | clever fone that | 18:02 |
| Kilos | did you google them links? | 18:03 |
| magespawn | Yes. | 18:03 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 18:03 |
| magespawn | dpkg locked is what i looked for. | 18:03 |
| Kilos | i need 9 workspaces to do that kinda stuff | 18:04 |
| jan_ | no reaction to those commands kilos | 18:05 |
| magespawn | I could be wrong, but I think the actual code he is looking for is "sudo dpkg --configure -a". | 18:05 |
| Kilos | hmmm | 18:05 |
| Kilos | ya sudo it | 18:05 |
| jan_ | that one does not work either | 18:05 |
| Kilos | lots of those links expect one to know that | 18:05 |
| Kilos | ok then lets go back to the booting | 18:06 |
| jan_ | ok | 18:06 |
| Kilos | do you see the brub boot menu yet | 18:06 |
| Kilos | grub | 18:06 |
| jan_ | what must I do when I see it? I have 10 seconds | 18:06 |
| Kilos | i cant member what all it has in it but should be a command line or terminal option there | 18:07 |
| Kilos | move it down | 18:07 |
| Kilos | that will stop the counter | 18:07 |
| jan_ | ok let me try, will get back when I'm there | 18:07 |
| Kilos | magespawn, what do you see in 12.04 grub boot menu | 18:08 |
| Kilos | ok | 18:08 |
| magespawn | Not sure. | 18:10 |
| magespawn | Not even 12.04 yet. | 18:10 |
| magespawn | Here is another http://askubuntu.com/questions/99537/installation-error-unable-to-lock-the-administration-directory | 18:10 |
| Kilos | i think the only way to fix that prob is to go in as root before the gui opens | 18:11 |
| jan_ | kilos the only option I see is to go to bios, then a black screen for quite a while, until the desktop launches | 18:11 |
| Kilos | i think the weed and/or crashkid helped me but i forget | 18:11 |
| Kilos | oh my no grub menu | 18:12 |
| Kilos | jan_, check the last link | 18:12 |
| jan_ | ok | 18:12 |
| Kilos | magespawn, how do you boot into cli? | 18:13 |
| Kilos | terminal | 18:13 |
| Kilos | ctrl+space or what | 18:13 |
| Kilos | or lotsa f1's | 18:13 |
| Kilos | come on charl | 18:13 |
| magespawn | Never had to do that on my own. Only happens when the boot is corrupted. | 18:14 |
| Kilos | this is the prob the boot works fine but dpkg is locked so you gotta go in before the gui opens | 18:14 |
| Kilos | superfly, help | 18:15 |
| magespawn | I think the package is frozen partially through the install, for what ever reason, and that is keeping the dpkg locked | 18:15 |
| Kilos | yes thats right | 18:15 |
| Kilos | so you gotta go in before any desktop stuff opens | 18:15 |
| magespawn | Those commands should work even if the gui is loaded. | 18:15 |
| Kilos | they dont | 18:16 |
| jan_ | now I have a black screen | 18:16 |
| Kilos | not even sudo apt-get update | 18:16 |
| Kilos | what did you do jan_ | 18:16 |
| Kilos | what did the link tell you to do? | 18:16 |
| jan_ | kilos I followed those instructions, ran the first suggested command, same result, ran the second one and the screen went black | 18:17 |
| Kilos | sec i try get there | 18:17 |
| Kilos | do you see a cursor or anything? | 18:18 |
| jan_ | Ran this: sudo fuser -cuk /var/lib/dpkg/lock | 18:19 |
| jan_ | nothing at all, its completely blank | 18:19 |
| Kilos | im looking for that command | 18:20 |
| Kilos | dont see it yet | 18:20 |
| Kilos | reboot then we try again | 18:21 |
| charl | sorry back | 18:21 |
| jan_ | ok, will have to switch the power off | 18:21 |
| Kilos | ok | 18:21 |
| charl | Kilos, you want to boot into the cli? | 18:21 |
| Kilos | yes please charl | 18:21 |
| charl | you can use a different virtual terminal if your gui is a problem | 18:21 |
| charl | ctrl+alt+f1 for example | 18:21 |
| Kilos | no i want to get in before ubuntu loads | 18:22 |
| magespawn | Charl jan_ is struggling with a locked dpkg | 18:22 |
| charl | 1 sec | 18:22 |
| Kilos | charl, scroll back some | 18:22 |
| jan_ | kilos, it switched itself off, is back on now | 18:23 |
| Kilos | ok lets try | 18:23 |
| Kilos | sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock | 18:23 |
| charl | ok hold on a second | 18:23 |
| charl | are these two separate problems | 18:23 |
| Kilos | nope | 18:24 |
| charl | 1) you want to log into the cli before X loads 2) you have a locked APT | 18:24 |
| charl | or dpkg i mean | 18:24 |
| Kilos | dpkg is blocking everything | 18:24 |
| jan_ | kilos the terminal is not accepting any commands | 18:24 |
| charl | ah, is it blocking X from loading? | 18:24 |
| charl | jan_: it sounds to me you have a much bigger problem then | 18:24 |
| charl | that can't be caused by dpkg imho | 18:24 |
| Kilos | nope pc boots fine charl | 18:24 |
| charl | ah ok | 18:25 |
| charl | sorry you guys need to be a bit more specific, i am getting very confused this end :) | 18:25 |
| Kilos | im sure getting in on cli from scratch is the way to go | 18:25 |
| Kilos | before dpkg or whatever package manager gets going and locks again | 18:26 |
| charl | ok, but what does it mean "getting in on cli", does that mean intercepting the linux startup process so that X does not load and you can log in at the command lijne | 18:26 |
| charl | *line | 18:26 |
| jan_ | started with installer for microsoft true type fonts | 18:26 |
| Kilos | yeah charl boot to command line | 18:26 |
| charl | ok now i understand | 18:26 |
| jan_ | downloaded package then did not install, neither did anything else | 18:26 |
| Kilos | jan where did you get that package from? | 18:27 |
| jan_ | blocks updates, synaptic, terminal | 18:27 |
| charl | afaik if you want to do this you simply need to prevent the desktop manager (for example, kdm, gdm etc) from loading | 18:28 |
| jan_ | it was from ubuntu packages | 18:28 |
| Kilos | yes boot to terminal | 18:28 |
| charl | i think the new one in ubuntu is called lightdm | 18:28 |
| Kilos | wow | 18:28 |
| charl | i think it should be sudo update-rc.d -f lightdm remove | 18:28 |
| charl | but i am not 100% sure | 18:29 |
| Kilos | there is a way to boot to terminal | 18:29 |
| roryy | doesn't ctrl-alt-F1 work to get to a text console anymore? I think it was disabled | 18:29 |
| Kilos | i just forgot how | 18:29 |
| charl | roryy: no it still works fine | 18:29 |
| charl | i mentioned it a bit earlier too | 18:29 |
| Kilos | ty roryy | 18:29 |
| Kilos | ya sorry charl | 18:29 |
| roryy | yeah, works on my xubuntu 12.04 session too | 18:30 |
| roryy | maybe it was ctrl-alt-backspace (don't try that!) which was disabled | 18:30 |
| Kilos | jan_, while booting press ctrl+alt+f1 | 18:30 |
| roryy | not while booting - it should work after boot | 18:30 |
| Kilos | oh ok | 18:30 |
| roryy | e.g., at the login screen | 18:30 |
| Kilos | explain it nicely to jan_ plewase | 18:31 |
| Kilos | please as well | 18:31 |
| charl | yeah ctrl+alt+backspace was a real bother when you do it accidentally | 18:31 |
| roryy | i'll try | 18:31 |
| roryy | jan_: you with us? | 18:31 |
| Kilos | he isnt a geek | 18:31 |
| roryy | what's the problem? I think i came in halfway though this discussion | 18:31 |
| jan_ | ok I'm logged into somewhere... | 18:32 |
| charl | roryy: yeah to be honest i am also somewhat confused | 18:32 |
| Kilos | what do you see jan_ | 18:32 |
| jan_ | terminal screen | 18:32 |
| Kilos | yay | 18:32 |
| Kilos | ok now try | 18:32 |
| Kilos | sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock | 18:33 |
| jan_ | ok | 18:33 |
| Kilos | sudo dpkg --configure -a | 18:34 |
| jan_ | ok | 18:34 |
| Kilos | what did it say? | 18:35 |
| jan_ | nothing, just goes back to jan@jansquiggle s | 18:36 |
| Kilos | ok now | 18:36 |
| jan_ | the same every time | 18:36 |
| Kilos | sudo apt-get remove "that windows thing" | 18:36 |
| jan_ | ok lets try | 18:37 |
| Kilos | if it goes back to prompt it has done the work | 18:37 |
| Kilos | sudo apt-get remove | 18:37 |
| Kilos | > ttf-mscorefonts-installer | 18:37 |
| Kilos | eish all in one i had to go look for it | 18:38 |
| Kilos | sudo apt-get remove ttf-mscorefonts-installer | 18:38 |
| jan_ | it says there's no such installed package - been there before | 18:39 |
| Kilos | ok lets see if it has unlocked | 18:39 |
| Kilos | sudo gdm start | 18:39 |
| jan_ | I doubt it but lets try | 18:40 |
| roryy | service gdm start, i would have thought? | 18:40 |
| jan_ | command not found | 18:40 |
| roryy | might be lightdm, like char1 said | 18:40 |
| jan_ | sudonot found, let me try service | 18:41 |
| Kilos | by me the sudo gdm start works i dunno on later releases | 18:41 |
| roryy | so maybe 'sudo service lightdm start' | 18:41 |
| roryy | jan_: how did you get to the terminal? | 18:41 |
| jan_ | ctrl/alt/f1 | 18:42 |
| roryy | alt-f7 should get you back to a graphical screen | 18:42 |
| jan_ | ok thks roryy back to normal screen | 18:43 |
| Kilos | ok sudo apt-get update | 18:43 |
| jan_ | ok | 18:44 |
| jan_ | so far so good, but last time it got to almost done the hooked up, so lets hold thumbs | 18:45 |
| * Kilos holds thumbs | 18:45 | |
| * magespawn holds thumbs | 18:46 | |
| Kilos | whew tension builds | 18:47 |
| jan_ | frightening, like in anaconda...still running | 18:48 |
| Kilos | whew | 18:48 |
| jan_ | lmga | 18:49 |
| Kilos | ha ha | 18:49 |
| Kilos | lmhaa | 18:49 |
| jan_ | Done. Looks fine, thks a lot guys. | 18:50 |
| Kilos | wait | 18:50 |
| Kilos | sudo apt-get --fix-broken | 18:50 |
| Kilos | then sudo apt-get install aptitude | 18:51 |
| jan_ | Kilos pse run me thro activation for xchat on my PC when were finished, doing those now | 18:51 |
| Kilos | will do jan_ | 18:51 |
| Kilos | when last did you sudo apt-get upgrade | 18:52 |
| jan_ | kilos a few days ago | 18:54 |
| Kilos | ok | 18:54 |
| jan_ | install aptitude running | 18:54 |
| jan_ | Now it wants to install those corefonts that caused all the hassles - preferably I don't want them... | 18:56 |
| Kilos | ok if its installing then dpkg is unlocked | 18:56 |
| jan_ | and the microsoft user agreement has no live activation button | 18:56 |
| Kilos | why did you want them to start with | 18:56 |
| Kilos | one more command | 18:57 |
| jan_ | that was before I found the directory of equivalents | 18:57 |
| Kilos | sudo update-grub | 18:57 |
| Kilos | i have them installed here form synaptic | 18:57 |
| jan_ | must I kill the terminal? | 18:57 |
| Kilos | dunno why but yeah | 18:57 |
| Kilos | no | 18:58 |
| jan_ | cause the ms agreement has no way to go | 18:58 |
| Kilos | sudo update-grub in terminal | 18:58 |
| Kilos | to go out of terminal just type exit and hit enter | 18:58 |
| jan_ | done | 19:00 |
| Kilos | ok go to your pc now and lets setup xchat | 19:00 |
| jan_ | thks kilos and roryy, charl, magespawn | 19:01 |
| Kilos | dont tick connect automatically | 19:01 |
| magespawn | Hey no worrries, glad it worked out. | 19:01 |
| Kilos | yes ty magespawn roryy charl | 19:01 |
| * Kilos sighs with relief | 19:02 | |
| roryy | :) | 19:02 |
| Kilos | when mine did that i had to boot to terminal then go sudo -i | 19:02 |
| Kilos | then only could i get dpkg going again | 19:03 |
| jan_ | OK freenode, skip network list, connect? | 19:03 |
| Kilos | wait | 19:03 |
| Kilos | i open and look | 19:03 |
| jan_ | ok | 19:03 |
| jan_ | waiting | 19:03 |
| Kilos | you gotta scroll down to freenode | 19:04 |
| jan_ | am on freenode | 19:04 |
| Kilos | then tick edit on the right | 19:04 |
| jan_ | ok | 19:04 |
| Kilos | favourite channel | 19:04 |
| Kilos | #ubuntu-za | 19:04 |
| Kilos | and by nickserv and server the password you used to register | 19:05 |
| jan_ | any other checks? | 19:06 |
| Kilos | mine has use global info ticked | 19:06 |
| Kilos | then close second window | 19:06 |
| Kilos | check in first that | 19:07 |
| jan_ | cant remember my paaswords | 19:07 |
| Kilos | lol no matter it will work | 19:07 |
| Kilos | make sure skip network list is unticked | 19:07 |
| jan_ | what's "check in first that" ? | 19:07 |
| Kilos | you can tick it later if all working and it bothers you | 19:08 |
| Kilos | sec | 19:08 |
| Kilos | check in the first window | 19:08 |
| jan_ | untick skip network list on startup? | 19:08 |
| Kilos | yes | 19:08 |
| Kilos | untick | 19:09 |
| jan_ | then connect? | 19:09 |
| Kilos | yessir] | 19:09 |
| Kilos | gonna battle to find another name for you with these 2 in here | 19:09 |
| Kilos | did you give three names | 19:10 |
| jan_ | Langjan already in use...I found myself | 19:10 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:10 |
| jan_ | I must find my password or a new name | 19:11 |
| Kilos | in the first window you can put 3 nicks | 19:11 |
| Kilos | like jan jan- jan-- | 19:11 |
| Kilos | etc | 19:11 |
| magespawn | Brb | 19:12 |
| Kilos | or even an oomjan too | 19:12 |
| superfly | Kilos: jammer, ek was besig met aandete en familie | 19:17 |
| Kilos | np | 19:17 |
| Kilos | ons het gewen dankie superfly | 19:18 |
| superfly | ok, good | 19:18 |
| Kilos | hi Kingfish | 19:19 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:19 |
| Kingfish | hi kilos | 19:19 |
| Kilos | this your new nick | 19:19 |
| Kingfish | nou weet jy my gunstelingvis (om te vang) | 19:20 |
| Kingfish | eks nog hier, op my eie PC | 19:20 |
| Kilos | now here is another thing you might like to install Kingfish | 19:20 |
| Kilos | when you have boot probs | 19:21 |
| Kingfish | like in my gumboots? | 19:21 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:21 |
| Kilos | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair | 19:22 |
| Kingfish | ok waiting in suspenders suspence | 19:22 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos | 19:22 |
| Kilos | wb magespawn | 19:22 |
| magespawn | who is the boot raoeir for | 19:23 |
| Kingfish | when doo I need that? eg the grub problem? | 19:23 |
| magespawn | boot repair | 19:23 |
| Kilos | i dont know if boot-repair is in the repos of 12.04 | 19:23 |
| Kilos | Kingfish, boot-repair is a wonderful tool that once installed you can repair other drives boots as well if you plug them into your pc as second drive | 19:24 |
| Kilos | it also makes sure your boot is good at the same time | 19:24 |
| magespawn | very useful | 19:25 |
| Kilos | i install it right away and keep it in case now | 19:25 |
| magespawn | you can also ge a live cd version so that if the drive will not start at all you can use that | 19:26 |
| Kilos | yip or use it from a usb stick | 19:26 |
| magespawn | i could be wrong but does it not also work for that other os as well? | 19:26 |
| Kilos | yes it fixes windows boot sectors too | 19:27 |
| Kilos | when used from your ubuntu drive as primary that is | 19:28 |
| magespawn | then it is even more than very useful | 19:28 |
| Kilos | havent tried it any other way | 19:28 |
| Kilos | its a great tool | 19:28 |
| Kingfish | ok will install and keep for when I need it, thanks kilos | 19:29 |
| Kilos | youre welcome Kingfish anytime we here | 19:29 |
| Kilos | hard work via emails | 19:30 |
| Kilos | glad we got it going | 19:30 |
| Kingfish | kilos there is nothing about boot repair in software centre | 19:31 |
| Kilos | yip its an outside tool | 19:31 |
| Kilos | doesnt it give you the download at that link | 19:31 |
| Kingfish | which link? | 19:33 |
| Kilos | Kingfish, have you got yourself the unity guide yet? | 19:33 |
| Kilos | oh my you missed it | 19:33 |
| Kingfish | yes kilos | 19:33 |
| Kilos | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair | 19:33 |
| Kilos | i hope the download is there | 19:33 |
| magespawn | it is | 19:34 |
| Kilos | good ty magespawn | 19:35 |
| Kilos | you fast with that fone hey? | 19:36 |
| magespawn | now on the laptop. | 19:36 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:36 |
| magespawn | fone battery was dying | 19:36 |
| Kilos | eish them battery thingies | 19:37 |
| magespawn | yup the only draw baack to actually using the equipment | 19:37 |
| Kilos | yeah | 19:38 |
| Kilos | but you have become a master with that fone | 19:38 |
| magespawn | so so, and i have my of days. | 19:41 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:41 |
| magespawn | off | 19:41 |
| magespawn | even on the laptop i have my off days | 19:42 |
| Kilos | oh my | 19:44 |
| Kilos | he rebooted or something | 19:44 |
| Kilos | or crashed | 19:44 |
| magespawn | i am out of here, night all | 19:45 |
| Kilos | night magespawn sleep tight | 19:45 |
| Kilos | what happened jan | 19:47 |
| jan | hi kilos | 19:47 |
| === jan is now known as Guest46376 | ||
| Kilos | did your pc crash? | 19:47 |
| Guest46376 | my problem is still there | 19:47 |
| Kilos | same one? | 19:47 |
| Guest46376 | this system does not want me to be named | 19:48 |
| Kilos | it installed aptitude fine | 19:48 |
| Guest46376 | now I'm guest 007 or something | 19:48 |
| Guest46376 | yes, and that was it | 19:48 |
| Kilos | you came back too quick | 19:48 |
| Kilos | type in /nick jan | 19:49 |
| Guest46376 | looks like | 19:49 |
| === Guest46376 is now known as jan | ||
| Kilos | there you go | 19:49 |
| charl | the jan nickname is registerd by some dude in denmark | 19:49 |
| Kilos | what does your pc do now | 19:49 |
| === jan is now known as Guest857 | ||
| Kilos | then type /nick langjan | 19:50 |
| === Guest857 is now known as langjan | ||
| Kilos | whew | 19:50 |
| langjan | i have an identity crisis | 19:50 |
| Kilos | langjan, what does your pc show now? | 19:50 |
| Kilos | lmga | 19:51 |
| langjan | same as before | 19:51 |
| Kilos | that lock thing? | 19:51 |
| langjan | yes | 19:51 |
| Kilos | lets try again then | 19:51 |
| Kilos | ctrl/alt/f1 | 19:51 |
| langjan | then my screen goes away, Juanita is on het PC | 19:53 |
| langjan | I think I must just backup and do a fresh install | 19:53 |
| Kilos | whew | 19:53 |
| Kilos | its your choice jan but im sure it can be fixed | 19:54 |
| Kilos | did you download the boot-repair package? | 19:54 |
| langjan | well I could have been there by now, its getting frustrating for more than one person | 19:54 |
| Kilos | yeah | 19:55 |
| langjan | that package also failed | 19:55 |
| Kilos | but it might be in your downloads so you can save them too | 19:56 |
| Kilos | but aptitude installed so lekker | 19:56 |
| langjan | then I tried upgrade, nothing | 19:57 |
| Kilos | oh my | 19:57 |
| Kilos | what do you want to do | 19:58 |
| Kilos | backup and reinstall or try fix? | 19:58 |
| langjan | upgrade is running now, lets see what hapens | 19:58 |
| langjan | it gets to that damned microsoft end user agreement that does not work, then I have to kill the terminal and back to square one | 20:00 |
| Kilos | i got another crazy idea | 20:00 |
| Kilos | dunno if we should try it or if it will really crash you | 20:01 |
| Kilos | we need expert advice | 20:01 |
| langjan | I just need to get rid of that installed package | 20:01 |
| langjan | it's downloaded but not installed | 20:02 |
| langjan | but there's no option to remove it | 20:02 |
| Kilos | it has left something in your dpkg | 20:03 |
| Kilos | in its config file or something | 20:03 |
| Kilos | superfly, can we trash the dpkg file in /var/lib/ and then use aptitude to install dpkg again? | 20:05 |
| langjan | ek dink die groot vlieg het gaan slaap | 20:07 |
| Kilos | miskien ya | 20:08 |
| langjan | ek gaan ook nou slaap, if you have any ideas let me know but dont worry too much, I will just do a fresh install tomorrow | 20:08 |
| Kilos | you cant install or uninstall with dpkg locked so i will mail you the commands and you can write them down ok? | 20:09 |
| langjan | ok thanks kilos | 20:09 |
| Kilos | oh ok then langjan good luck and sleep tight | 20:09 |
| Kilos | but come online if you dont do new install | 20:09 |
| langjan | many thannks, same to you kilos. whats news from debs? | 20:10 |
| Kilos | then we try some more stuff | 20:10 |
| Kilos | she is maintaining ty langjan | 20:10 |
| langjan | is Henno's hints helping any? | 20:10 |
| Kilos | its all too soon to tell she has had it for 10 years or more already | 20:11 |
| Kilos | cant go 2 days without the antiinflams | 20:11 |
| langjan | eina! Those things are bad news. | 20:12 |
| Kilos | yeah | 20:12 |
| Kilos | but she cant stay off work either so what choice is there | 20:12 |
| langjan | catch ten! We pray for her. Take care kilos, sleep well | 20:14 |
| Kilos | ty langjan you too | 20:15 |
| Kilos | night all sleep tight. see you tomorrow | 20:18 |
| charl | nn all | 20:27 |
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