[08:14] <Ludo> Hi guys, can anybody else reach  ubuntu-archive.mirror.ac.za (155.232.191.229)?
[08:25] <tumbleweed> Symmetria: ^
[10:34] <Symmetria> hrm
[10:34] <Symmetria> lemme look
[10:34] <Symmetria> hold on
[10:36] <Symmetria> something odd going on with the network there I think
[12:10] <Banlam> inetpro, the program is still only capable of noting whether electricity is flowing or not
[13:10] <Kilos> afternoon all
[13:10] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee on
[13:10]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[13:14] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[13:15] <Kilos> ty
[13:15] <Kilos> Maaz: ty
[13:15] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[13:17] <Banlam> maaz, ty
[13:17] <Maaz> You are welcome Banlam
[13:17] <Banlam> maaz, for what?
[13:17] <Maaz> Banlam: *blink*
[14:57] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ping
[14:58] <Kilos> he must have a hollow head the pings go straight through
[15:32] <charl> good evening
[15:39] <Kilos> hmmm
[15:46] <Kilos> wb charl 
[15:46] <Kilos> you like a yoyo tonight
[15:46] <Kilos> internet very sick
[15:50] <Kilos> yo Langjan 
[15:51] <jan_> hi kilos
[15:51] <Kilos> you managed xchat
[15:51] <jan_> yes on Jua's machine
[15:51] <charl> hi Kilos 
[15:51] <charl> no i was being an idiot
[15:51] <Kilos> nm charl 
[15:51] <charl> i accidentally configured xchat to quit when i close it
[15:52] <charl> instead of minimizing to the tray
[15:52] <charl> i was like "wtf happened to xchat" but eventually figured it out
[15:52] <Kilos> jan look on the left
[15:52] <Kilos> hehe
[15:53] <jan_> my left or yours?
[15:53] <jan_> by kilos?
[15:53] <Kilos> ya
[15:54] <charl> hi jan_ 
[15:55] <charl> how's it going with you? having a good weekend so far?
[15:55] <Kilos> yip and you
[15:55] <charl> not bad
[15:56] <charl> spent the day in germany
[15:56] <Kilos> great
[15:56] <charl> yeah i love germany, the girls are cute too :)
[15:57] <Kilos> what must jan edit to extend the time the grub menu shows to 10 secs
[15:57] <charl> 1 sec
[16:00] <jan_> ok with you
[16:01] <charl> so you are wanting to change the GRUB_TIMEOUT value right?
[16:01] <Kilos> he is looking for what file to edit i hope
[16:01] <Kilos> ya
[16:02] <charl> /etc/default/grub i think is what you are looking for
[16:02] <Kilos> ty charl
[16:02] <Kilos> jan on your pc if its still going
[16:02] <jan_> yes
[16:03] <Kilos> sudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[16:03] <Kilos> i hope you have gedit installed
[16:03] <jan_> yes I do
[16:03] <charl> as the file also says on the top, remember to run update-grub afterwards
[16:03] <Kilos> somewhere you gotta just change the time there to 10 secs then go file and save
[16:03] <charl> also using sudo
[16:04] <jan_> ok ill run that command
[16:04] <charl> the default value on my machine is actually 10 seconds
[16:04] <charl> GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[16:04] <Kilos> ya 10 is good
[16:05] <charl> brb, dinner :)
[16:05] <Kilos> but im battling to explain to him what he must see on booting to be able to go to the terminal from grub menu
[16:05] <charl> ah
[16:05] <charl> ok i am unsure of this myself
[16:06] <charl> ubuntu has all this fancy graphical boot loader stuff
[16:06] <charl> i haven't dual booted in quite some time so haven't been keeping myself up to date on this
[16:06] <Kilos> thats why i have him on two pcs so we can chat on one and try fix the other
[16:06] <charl> quite frankly i don't like all this extra cruft but i'm probably in the minority on this one :)
[16:07] <jan_> my timeout is set at 10
[16:07] <charl> GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[16:07] <Kilos> ok jan_ 
[16:07] <charl> that might be something you could try to uncomment if you are having trouble
[16:07] <charl> i don't know if it will help but worth a shot
[16:07] <Kilos> when you boot do you see the grub menu before the logo thingie
[16:08] <jan_> sorry kilos I have visitors, will try to get you again
[16:08] <Kilos> where it counts down the 10 secs
[16:08] <Kilos> ok jan_  np
[16:10] <Kilos> he has a prob where he cant do any update or install or anything. ms fonts made one of his package installers not close down methinks
[16:11] <Kilos> i had a similar prob a year ago or so and only way to fix was to go to terminal from brub menu if i remember right'
[16:11] <Kilos> grub
[16:17] <magespawn> Evening all
[16:17] <charl> hi magespawn 
[16:18] <Kilos> hiya magespawn 
[16:19] <magespawn> Hey charl, Kilos
[16:27] <magespawn> Anybody know how to use a hexeditor?
[16:27] <charl> magespawn: only used one a few times
[16:28] <Kilos> sjoe what you wanna do magespawn 
[16:30] <charl> hex editing is a pain but it's handy
[16:30] <magespawn> I am opening those virus files I pulled of the flash drive in my shop.
[16:31] <Kilos> oh that
[16:31] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:31] <charl> lol ok
[16:31] <charl> what exactly are you hoping to find?
[16:31] <charl> not that it's a bad exercise, could be quite interesting
[16:31] <magespawn> Some clue as to what they do.
[16:32] <charl> you'll need to have an assembly code instruction set reference handy
[16:32] <magespawn> I can export the file as a text and paste it on the net.
[16:32] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_instruction_listings
[16:32] <magespawn> I do not even know what that is.
[16:32] <magespawn> Ahh ty.
[16:35] <charl> http://ref.x86asm.net/
[16:35] <charl> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/architectures-software-developer-manuals.html
[16:35] <charl> some stuff to get you started :)
[16:36] <magespawn> Cool.
[16:36] <charl> this is also something to look at perhaps: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/X86_Disassembly/Analysis_Tools
[16:37] <charl> there are a bunch of debugging tools although i have very limited experience with most of them
[16:37] <charl> one thing to do would be to set up a virtual machine running windows and actually infect the installation
[16:38] <charl> then monitor the processes, disk i/o, network activity etc
[16:38] <charl> see what it does when actually executed
[16:38] <Kilos> and see what it does
[16:38] <Kilos> hehe
[16:39] <Kilos> be careful though some virusses atack your mbr
[16:39] <magespawn> Thats a good idea. I have a good idea of what one does already.
[16:39] <charl> that would probably be the easiest yes because sifting through a bunch of binary instructions could be long-winded unless you know specifically what you are looking for
[16:39] <charl> depending on how large the virus is also, i guess
[16:40] <charl> Kilos: if you're running it inside a virtual machine, you should be pretty safe as it would try to write to the mbr of the virtual disk
[16:40] <Kilos> ah
[16:40] <charl> if the virus is really smart it could try to hack your hypervisor, that would not be good
[16:40] <charl> but i don't think that would be your typical virus though
[16:41] <magespawn> I have machines that do not have info on so it does not matter if I have to format etc.
[16:41] <charl> in fact, if you find a virus like that in the wild, you should write a research paper on it :)
[16:42] <magespawn> So stand alone machines that do not matter.
[16:44] <Kilos> sjoe good luck magespawn 
[16:45] <Kilos> virii for windows were the main reason i looked for an alterante OS to start with
[16:48] <magespawn> Would be interested to see what these guys are trying to do.
[16:48] <charl> magespawn: as long as you can put it inside a controlled environment that you can monitor, that would be the idea
[16:48] <charl> yeah some very interesting research indeeed
[16:51] <magespawn> Hmmm maybe I get famous for writing the perfect antivirus, lol
[16:52] <Kilos> lol go for it. those peeps are very clever
[16:52] <Kilos> new virii daily
[16:52] <magespawn> The problem with most is the definition/database gets too large.
[16:55] <magespawn> Even with cloud database's .
[16:59] <magespawn> This is probably not a new idea.
[17:00] <magespawn> But it would be better to stop files based on what they are trying to do.
[17:00] <magespawn> I do not really know enough yet.
[17:25] <magespawn> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120622/14185719439/speak-out-against-copyright-holders-destroying-true-property-rights.shtml
[17:25] <magespawn> This is real madness.^^
[17:28] <Kilos> hiya superfly 
[17:28] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:28] <superfly> hi Kilos, magespawn, etc
[17:28] <Kilos> hehe
[17:30] <magespawn> Hi superfly
[17:38] <charl> hi Sub_Oracle 
[17:38] <charl> bah
[17:38] <charl> hi superfly 
[17:38] <charl> autotype ftl
[17:38] <Kilos> lol
[17:39] <superfly> hi charl
[17:39] <charl> yeah Kilos the other day it was your turn, now it was mine :)
[17:39] <charl> or i'll do like yesterday and reply to myself, classy!
[17:39] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:39] <charl> a monologue of note
[17:40] <Kilos> you on a android thing charl 
[17:40] <Kilos> hi not_found 
[17:40] <not_found> alo uncle Kilos 
[17:40] <charl> nope on xchat like a noob
[17:40] <not_found> xchat ftw
[17:40] <Kilos> xchat rocks
[17:41] <charl> the other day my colleague said "you are on xchat, so now you're using gui applications like a noob, what is this"
[17:41] <Kilos> lol
[17:41] <charl> i have a reputation to protect and all... this noobification is no good
[17:41] <Kilos> some geeks think its not cool to use apps that normal guys use
[17:42] <not_found> if this is the case why use Ubuntu...
[17:42] <charl> yeah then they can't be "ub3rl33t"
[17:42] <not_found> Gentoo is the win
[17:42] <charl> not_found: very good point, time to install arch
[17:42] <not_found> lol
[17:42] <charl> gentoo is for the weak
[17:42] <charl> chuck norris doesn
[17:42] <Kilos> charl you want basic go get tinycorelinux
[17:42] <charl> doesn't approve
[17:43] <charl> yeah now that is a bit too minimalist for me ;)
[17:43] <charl> it would take me a year to get my wireless interface working lol
[17:43] <Kilos> 66m download to get the one to install on a drive or 24m without install options
[17:44] <superfly> y'all a bunch of n00bs - try FreeBSD
[17:44] <Kilos> but they even have xchat for it too
[17:44] <superfly> :-P
[17:44] <Kilos> lol @ superfly 
[17:44] <charl> superfly: freebsd is for kids, openbsd ftw
[17:44] <charl> i have an openbsd sticker on my laptop actually
[17:45] <charl> lemme make a pic
[17:45] <magespawn> Hah none of you have got what it takes, windows is where its at.
[17:46] <Kilos> haha
[17:46] <charl> http://i.imgur.com/usp7C.jpg
[17:46] <charl> windoze ftw
[17:46] <magespawn> Getting that to work reliable all the time or at all is impossible
[17:47] <charl> windows is for the hard core user
[17:48] <Kilos> windows for the rich brave hearts
[17:48] <Kilos> with many IT friends
[17:52] <magespawn> That too.
[17:52] <Kilos> hi jan
[17:53] <jan_> hi kilos hoe gaan dit?
[17:53] <magespawn> http://torrentfreak.com/music-piracy-is-not-a-problem-its-an-excuse-120630/ more legal copyright stuff.
[17:53] <Kilos> you here twice Langjan en jan_ 
[17:53] <Kilos> hehe
[17:53] <Kilos> goed dankie en U
[17:53] <not_found> many people grew up with Windows and find it way easier than Linux (just saying)
[17:53] <jan_> so I'm a twin, where does the other me come from?
[17:54] <jan_> Ook goed dankie
[17:54] <magespawn> I did, but I liked the dos and win 3.11 era.
[17:54] <Kilos> i dunno what you have done, but 2 of you is better than none
[17:54] <jan_> how do I delete the jan_?
[17:54] <magespawn> Only got into linux a couple of years ago.
[17:54] <Kilos> ?
[17:55] <magespawn> You mean change your nick?
[17:55] <jan_> ok do you have the time to get back to my problem?  
[17:55] <Kilos> look in your first xchat window and see if you have got you nick in twice
[17:56] <Kilos> ya got time
[17:56] <magespawn> jan_ what is the problem?
[17:56] <Kilos> magespawn, you havent seen lists
[17:56] <magespawn> Brb.
[17:57] <not_found> catch you all later :)
[17:57] <not_found> bye
[17:57] <Kilos> toods not_found 
[17:57] <magespawn> Bye not_found
[17:58] <magespawn> Oh your dpkg problem.
[17:58] <Kilos> magespawn, he has a msfonts thing that is stopping one of his package managers from closing i think\
[17:59] <magespawn> There is a command to fix that. Hold on.
[17:59] <Kilos> i think i had similar year or two ago
[17:59] <Kilos> you dont see the manager running it hides
[18:00] <Kilos> you watching this space jan_ ?
[18:00] <magespawn> http://mirkolofio.wordpress.com/2012/03/28/unlock-varlibdpkglock-when-youre-locked-out/
[18:00] <jan_> yes kilos
[18:01] <Kilos> can you browse to that link magespawn just gave
[18:01] <magespawn> http://ariesyoussefian.com/2011/10/17/fix-dpkg-status-database-locked-process-ubuntu/
[18:01] <jan_> ok thanks
[18:01] <Kilos> good luck we will be here
[18:01] <jan_> thks kilos
[18:01] <Kilos> yw
[18:02] <Kilos> magespawn, you on pc or fone?
[18:02] <magespawn> Fone.
[18:02] <Kilos> sjoe you a master at it hey?
[18:02] <magespawn> Getting there.
[18:02] <Kilos> clever fone that
[18:03] <Kilos> did you google them links?
[18:03] <magespawn> Yes.
[18:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:03] <magespawn> dpkg locked is what i looked for. 
[18:04] <Kilos> i need 9 workspaces to do that kinda stuff
[18:05] <jan_> no reaction to those commands kilos
[18:05] <magespawn> I could be wrong, but I think the actual code he is looking for is "sudo dpkg --configure -a".
[18:05] <Kilos> hmmm
[18:05] <Kilos> ya sudo it
[18:05] <jan_> that one does not work either
[18:05] <Kilos> lots of those links expect one to know that
[18:06] <Kilos> ok then lets go back to the booting
[18:06] <jan_> ok
[18:06] <Kilos> do you see the brub boot menu yet
[18:06] <Kilos> grub
[18:06] <jan_> what must I do when I see it? I have 10 seconds 
[18:07] <Kilos> i cant member what all it has in it but should be a command line or terminal option there
[18:07] <Kilos> move it down
[18:07] <Kilos> that will stop the counter
[18:07] <jan_> ok let me try, will get back when I'm there
[18:08] <Kilos> magespawn, what do you see in 12.04 grub boot menu
[18:08] <Kilos> ok
[18:10] <magespawn> Not sure.
[18:10] <magespawn> Not even 12.04 yet.
[18:10] <magespawn> Here is another http://askubuntu.com/questions/99537/installation-error-unable-to-lock-the-administration-directory
[18:11] <Kilos> i think the only way to fix that prob is to go in as root before the gui opens
[18:11] <jan_> kilos the only option I see is to go to bios, then a black screen for quite a while, until the desktop launches
[18:11] <Kilos> i think the weed and/or crashkid helped me but i forget
[18:12] <Kilos> oh my no grub menu
[18:12] <Kilos> jan_, check the last link
[18:12] <jan_> ok
[18:13] <Kilos> magespawn, how do you boot into cli?
[18:13] <Kilos> terminal
[18:13] <Kilos> ctrl+space or what
[18:13] <Kilos> or lotsa f1's
[18:13] <Kilos> come on charl 
[18:14] <magespawn> Never had to do that on my own. Only happens when the boot is corrupted.
[18:14] <Kilos> this is the prob the boot works fine but dpkg is locked so you gotta go in before the gui opens
[18:15] <Kilos> superfly, help
[18:15] <magespawn> I think the package is frozen partially through the install, for what ever reason, and that is keeping the dpkg locked
[18:15] <Kilos> yes thats right
[18:15] <Kilos> so you gotta go in before any desktop stuff opens
[18:15] <magespawn> Those commands should work even if the gui is loaded.
[18:16] <Kilos> they dont
[18:16] <jan_> now I have a black screen
[18:16] <Kilos> not even sudo apt-get update
[18:16] <Kilos> what did you do jan_ 
[18:16] <Kilos> what did the link tell you to do?
[18:17] <jan_> kilos I followed those instructions, ran the first suggested command, same result, ran the second one and the screen went black
[18:17] <Kilos> sec i try get there
[18:18] <Kilos> do you see a cursor or anything?
[18:19] <jan_> Ran this: sudo fuser -cuk /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[18:19] <jan_> nothing at all, its completely blank
[18:20] <Kilos> im looking for that command
[18:20] <Kilos> dont see it yet
[18:21] <Kilos> reboot then we try again
[18:21] <charl> sorry back
[18:21] <jan_> ok, will have to switch the power off
[18:21] <Kilos> ok
[18:21] <charl> Kilos, you want to boot into the cli?
[18:21] <Kilos> yes please charl 
[18:21] <charl> you can use a different virtual terminal if your gui is a problem
[18:21] <charl> ctrl+alt+f1 for example
[18:22] <Kilos> no i want to get in before ubuntu loads
[18:22] <magespawn> Charl jan_  is struggling with a locked dpkg
[18:22] <charl> 1 sec
[18:22] <Kilos> charl, scroll back some
[18:23] <jan_> kilos, it switched itself off, is back on now
[18:23] <Kilos> ok lets try
[18:23] <Kilos> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[18:23] <charl> ok hold on a second
[18:23] <charl> are these two separate problems
[18:24] <Kilos> nope
[18:24] <charl> 1) you want to log into the cli before X loads 2) you have a locked APT
[18:24] <charl> or dpkg i mean
[18:24] <Kilos> dpkg is blocking everything
[18:24] <jan_> kilos the terminal is not accepting any commands
[18:24] <charl> ah, is it blocking X from loading?
[18:24] <charl> jan_: it sounds to me you have a much bigger problem then
[18:24] <charl> that can't be caused by dpkg imho
[18:24] <Kilos> nope pc boots fine charl 
[18:25] <charl> ah ok
[18:25] <charl> sorry you guys need to be a bit more specific, i am getting very confused this end :)
[18:25] <Kilos> im sure getting in on cli from scratch is the way to go
[18:26] <Kilos> before dpkg or whatever package manager gets going and locks again
[18:26] <charl> ok, but what does it mean "getting in on cli", does that mean intercepting the linux startup process so that X does not load and you can log in at the command lijne
[18:26] <charl> *line
[18:26] <jan_> started with installer for microsoft true type fonts
[18:26] <Kilos> yeah charl boot to command line
[18:26] <charl> ok now i understand
[18:26] <jan_> downloaded package then did not install, neither did anything else
[18:27] <Kilos> jan where did you get that package from?
[18:27] <jan_> blocks updates, synaptic, terminal 
[18:28] <charl> afaik if you want to do this you simply need to prevent the desktop manager (for example, kdm, gdm etc) from loading
[18:28] <jan_> it was from ubuntu packages
[18:28] <Kilos> yes boot to terminal
[18:28] <charl> i think the new one in ubuntu is called lightdm
[18:28] <Kilos> wow
[18:28] <charl> i think it should be sudo update-rc.d -f lightdm remove
[18:29] <charl> but i am not 100% sure
[18:29] <Kilos> there is a way to boot to terminal
[18:29] <roryy> doesn't ctrl-alt-F1 work to get to a text console anymore?  I think it was disabled
[18:29] <Kilos> i just forgot how
[18:29] <charl> roryy: no it still works fine
[18:29] <charl> i mentioned it a bit earlier too
[18:29] <Kilos> ty roryy 
[18:29] <Kilos> ya sorry charl 
[18:30] <roryy> yeah, works on my xubuntu 12.04 session too
[18:30] <roryy> maybe it was ctrl-alt-backspace (don't try that!) which was disabled
[18:30] <Kilos> jan_, while booting press ctrl+alt+f1
[18:30] <roryy> not while booting - it should work after boot
[18:30] <Kilos> oh ok
[18:30] <roryy> e.g., at the login screen
[18:31] <Kilos> explain it nicely to jan_ plewase
[18:31] <Kilos> please as well
[18:31] <charl> yeah ctrl+alt+backspace was a real bother when you do it accidentally
[18:31] <roryy> i'll try
[18:31] <roryy> jan_: you with us?
[18:31] <Kilos> he isnt a geek
[18:31] <roryy> what's the problem?  I think i came in halfway though this discussion
[18:32] <jan_> ok I'm logged into somewhere...
[18:32] <charl> roryy: yeah to be honest i am also somewhat confused
[18:32] <Kilos> what do you see jan_ 
[18:32] <jan_> terminal screen
[18:32] <Kilos> yay
[18:32] <Kilos> ok now try
[18:33] <Kilos> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[18:33] <jan_> ok
[18:34] <Kilos> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:34] <jan_> ok
[18:35] <Kilos> what did it say?
[18:36] <jan_> nothing, just goes back to jan@jansquiggle s
[18:36] <Kilos> ok now
[18:36] <jan_> the same every time
[18:36] <Kilos> sudo apt-get remove "that windows thing"
[18:37] <jan_> ok lets try
[18:37] <Kilos> if it goes back to prompt it has done the work
[18:37] <Kilos> sudo apt-get remove
[18:37] <Kilos> > ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[18:38] <Kilos> eish all in one i had to go look for it
[18:38] <Kilos> sudo apt-get remove ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[18:39] <jan_> it says there's no such installed package - been there before
[18:39] <Kilos> ok lets see if it has unlocked
[18:39] <Kilos> sudo gdm start
[18:40] <jan_> I doubt it but lets try
[18:40] <roryy> service gdm start, i would have thought?
[18:40] <jan_> command not found
[18:40] <roryy> might be lightdm, like char1 said
[18:41] <jan_> sudonot found, let me try service
[18:41] <Kilos> by me the sudo gdm start works i dunno on later releases
[18:41] <roryy> so maybe 'sudo service lightdm start'
[18:41] <roryy> jan_: how did you get to the terminal?
[18:42] <jan_> ctrl/alt/f1
[18:42] <roryy> alt-f7 should get you back to a graphical screen
[18:43] <jan_> ok  thks roryy back to normal screen
[18:43] <Kilos> ok sudo apt-get update
[18:44] <jan_> ok
[18:45] <jan_> so far so good, but last time it got to almost done the hooked up, so lets hold thumbs
[18:45]  * Kilos holds thumbs
[18:46]  * magespawn holds thumbs
[18:47] <Kilos> whew tension builds
[18:48] <jan_> frightening, like in anaconda...still running
[18:48] <Kilos> whew
[18:49] <jan_> lmga
[18:49] <Kilos> ha ha
[18:49] <Kilos> lmhaa
[18:50] <jan_> Done. Looks fine, thks a lot guys.
[18:50] <Kilos> wait
[18:50] <Kilos> sudo apt-get --fix-broken
[18:51] <Kilos> then sudo apt-get install aptitude
[18:51] <jan_> Kilos pse run me thro activation for xchat on my PC when were finished, doing those now
[18:51] <Kilos> will do jan_ 
[18:52] <Kilos> when last did you sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:54] <jan_> kilos a few days ago
[18:54] <Kilos> ok
[18:54] <jan_> install aptitude running
[18:56] <jan_> Now it wants to install those corefonts that caused all the hassles - preferably I don't want them...
[18:56] <Kilos> ok if its installing then dpkg is unlocked
[18:56] <jan_> and the microsoft user agreement has no live activation button
[18:56] <Kilos> why did you want them to start with
[18:57] <Kilos> one more command
[18:57] <jan_> that was before I found the directory of equivalents
[18:57] <Kilos> sudo update-grub
[18:57] <Kilos> i have them installed here form synaptic
[18:57] <jan_> must I kill the terminal?
[18:57] <Kilos> dunno why but yeah
[18:58] <Kilos> no
[18:58] <jan_> cause the ms agreement has no way to go
[18:58] <Kilos> sudo update-grub in terminal
[18:58] <Kilos> to go out of terminal just type exit and hit enter
[19:00] <jan_> done
[19:00] <Kilos> ok go to your pc now and lets setup xchat
[19:01] <jan_> thks kilos and roryy, charl, magespawn
[19:01] <Kilos> dont tick connect automatically
[19:01] <magespawn> Hey no worrries, glad it worked out.
[19:01] <Kilos> yes ty magespawn roryy charl 
[19:02]  * Kilos sighs with relief
[19:02] <roryy> :)
[19:02] <Kilos> when mine did that i had to boot to terminal then go sudo -i
[19:03] <Kilos> then only could i get dpkg going again
[19:03] <jan_> OK freenode, skip network list, connect?
[19:03] <Kilos> wait
[19:03] <Kilos> i open and look
[19:03] <jan_> ok
[19:03] <jan_> waiting
[19:04] <Kilos> you gotta scroll down to freenode
[19:04] <jan_> am on freenode
[19:04] <Kilos> then tick edit on the right
[19:04] <jan_> ok
[19:04] <Kilos> favourite channel
[19:04] <Kilos> #ubuntu-za
[19:05] <Kilos> and by nickserv and server the password you used to register
[19:06] <jan_> any other checks?
[19:06] <Kilos> mine has use global info ticked
[19:06] <Kilos> then close second window
[19:07] <Kilos> check in first that
[19:07] <jan_> cant remember my paaswords
[19:07] <Kilos> lol no matter it will work
[19:07] <Kilos> make sure skip network list is unticked
[19:07] <jan_> what's "check in first that" ?
[19:08] <Kilos> you can tick it later if all working and it bothers you
[19:08] <Kilos> sec
[19:08] <Kilos> check in the first window
[19:08] <jan_> untick skip network list on startup?
[19:08] <Kilos> yes
[19:09] <Kilos> untick
[19:09] <jan_> then connect?
[19:09] <Kilos> yessir]
[19:09] <Kilos> gonna battle to find another name for you with these 2 in here
[19:10] <Kilos> did you give three names
[19:10] <jan_> Langjan already in use...I found myself
[19:10] <Kilos> lol
[19:11] <jan_> I must find my password or a new name
[19:11] <Kilos> in the first window you can put 3 nicks
[19:11] <Kilos> like jan jan- jan--
[19:11] <Kilos> etc
[19:12] <magespawn> Brb
[19:12] <Kilos> or even an oomjan too
[19:17] <superfly> Kilos: jammer, ek was besig met aandete en familie
[19:17] <Kilos> np
[19:18] <Kilos> ons het gewen dankie superfly 
[19:18] <superfly> ok, good
[19:19] <Kilos> hi Kingfish 
[19:19] <Kilos> lol
[19:19] <Kingfish> hi kilos
[19:19] <Kilos> this your new nick
[19:20] <Kingfish> nou weet jy my gunstelingvis (om te vang)
[19:20] <Kingfish> eks nog hier, op my eie PC
[19:20] <Kilos> now here is another thing you might like to install Kingfish 
[19:21] <Kilos> when you have boot probs
[19:21] <Kingfish> like in my gumboots?
[19:21] <Kilos> lol
[19:22] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[19:22] <Kingfish> ok waiting in suspenders   suspence
[19:22] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[19:22] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[19:23] <magespawn> who is the boot raoeir for
[19:23] <Kingfish> when doo I need that? eg the grub problem?
[19:23] <magespawn> boot repair
[19:23] <Kilos> i dont know if boot-repair is in the repos of 12.04
[19:24] <Kilos> Kingfish, boot-repair is a wonderful tool that once installed you can repair other drives boots as well if you plug them into your pc as second drive
[19:24] <Kilos> it also makes sure your boot is good at the same time
[19:25] <magespawn> very useful
[19:25] <Kilos> i install it right away and keep it in case now
[19:26] <magespawn> you can also ge a live cd version so that if the drive will not start at all you can use that 
[19:26] <Kilos> yip or use it from a usb stick
[19:26] <magespawn> i could be wrong but does it not also work for that other os as well?
[19:27] <Kilos> yes it fixes windows boot sectors too
[19:28] <Kilos> when used from your ubuntu drive as primary that is
[19:28] <magespawn> then it is even more than very useful
[19:28] <Kilos> havent tried it any other way
[19:28] <Kilos> its a great tool
[19:29] <Kingfish> ok will install and keep for when I need it, thanks kilos
[19:29] <Kilos> youre welcome Kingfish anytime we here
[19:30] <Kilos> hard work via emails
[19:30] <Kilos> glad we got it going
[19:31] <Kingfish> kilos there is nothing about boot repair in software centre 
[19:31] <Kilos> yip its an outside tool
[19:31] <Kilos> doesnt it give you the download at that link
[19:33] <Kingfish> which link?
[19:33] <Kilos> Kingfish, have you got yourself the unity guide yet?
[19:33] <Kilos> oh my you missed it
[19:33] <Kingfish> yes kilos 
[19:33] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[19:33] <Kilos> i hope the download is there
[19:34] <magespawn> it is
[19:35] <Kilos> good ty magespawn 
[19:36] <Kilos> you fast with that fone hey?
[19:36] <magespawn> now on the laptop.
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <magespawn> fone battery was dying
[19:37] <Kilos> eish them battery thingies
[19:37] <magespawn> yup the only draw baack to actually using the equipment
[19:38] <Kilos> yeah
[19:38] <Kilos> but you have become a master with that fone
[19:41] <magespawn> so so, and i have my of days.
[19:41] <Kilos> lol
[19:41] <magespawn> off
[19:42] <magespawn> even on the laptop i have my off days
[19:44] <Kilos> oh my
[19:44] <Kilos> he rebooted or something
[19:44] <Kilos> or crashed
[19:45] <magespawn> i am out of here, night all
[19:45] <Kilos> night magespawn sleep tight
[19:47] <Kilos> what happened jan 
[19:47] <jan> hi kilos
[19:47] <Kilos> did your pc crash?
[19:47] <Guest46376> my problem is still there  
[19:47] <Kilos> same one?
[19:48] <Guest46376> this system does not want me to be named
[19:48] <Kilos> it installed aptitude fine
[19:48] <Guest46376> now I'm guest 007 or something
[19:48] <Guest46376> yes, and that was it
[19:48] <Kilos> you came back too quick
[19:49] <Kilos>  type in /nick jan
[19:49] <Guest46376> looks like
[19:49] <Kilos> there you go
[19:49] <charl> the jan nickname is registerd by some dude in denmark
[19:49] <Kilos> what does your pc do now
[19:50] <Kilos> then type /nick langjan
[19:50] <Kilos> whew
[19:50] <langjan> i have an identity crisis
[19:50] <Kilos> langjan, what does your pc show now?
[19:51] <Kilos> lmga
[19:51] <langjan> same as before
[19:51] <Kilos> that lock thing?
[19:51] <langjan> yes
[19:51] <Kilos> lets try again then
[19:51] <Kilos> ctrl/alt/f1
[19:53] <langjan> then my screen goes away, Juanita is on het PC
[19:53] <langjan> I think I must just backup and do a fresh install
[19:53] <Kilos> whew
[19:54] <Kilos> its your choice jan but im sure it can be fixed
[19:54] <Kilos> did you download the boot-repair package?
[19:54] <langjan> well I could have been there by now, its getting frustrating for more than one person
[19:55] <Kilos> yeah
[19:55] <langjan> that package also failed
[19:56] <Kilos> but it might be in your downloads so you can save them too
[19:56] <Kilos> but aptitude installed so lekker
[19:57] <langjan> then I tried upgrade, nothing
[19:57] <Kilos> oh my
[19:58] <Kilos> what do you want to do
[19:58] <Kilos> backup and reinstall or try fix?
[19:58] <langjan> upgrade is running now, lets see what hapens
[20:00] <langjan> it gets to that damned microsoft end user agreement that does not work, then I have to kill the terminal and back to square one
[20:00] <Kilos> i got another crazy idea
[20:01] <Kilos> dunno if we should try it or if it will really crash you
[20:01] <Kilos> we need expert advice
[20:01] <langjan> I just need to get rid of that installed package
[20:02] <langjan> it's downloaded but not installed
[20:02] <langjan> but there's no option to remove it 
[20:03] <Kilos> it has left something in your dpkg
[20:03] <Kilos> in its config file or something
[20:05] <Kilos> superfly, can we trash the dpkg file in /var/lib/ and then use aptitude to install dpkg again?
[20:07] <langjan> ek dink die groot vlieg het gaan slaap
[20:08] <Kilos> miskien ya
[20:08] <langjan> ek gaan ook nou slaap, if you have any ideas let me know but dont worry too much, I will just do a fresh install tomorrow
[20:09] <Kilos> you cant install or uninstall with dpkg locked so i will mail you the commands and you can write them down ok?
[20:09] <langjan> ok thanks kilos
[20:09] <Kilos> oh ok then langjan good luck and sleep tight
[20:09] <Kilos> but come online if you dont do new install
[20:10] <langjan> many thannks, same to you kilos. whats news from debs? 
[20:10] <Kilos> then we try some more stuff
[20:10] <Kilos> she is maintaining ty langjan 
[20:10] <langjan> is Henno's hints helping any?
[20:11] <Kilos> its all too soon to tell she has had it for 10 years or more already
[20:11] <Kilos> cant go 2 days without the antiinflams
[20:12] <langjan> eina! Those things are bad news.
[20:12] <Kilos> yeah
[20:12] <Kilos> but she cant stay off work either so what choice is there
[20:14] <langjan> catch ten! We pray for her. Take care kilos, sleep well
[20:15] <Kilos> ty langjan you too
[20:18] <Kilos> night all sleep tight. see you tomorrow
[20:27] <charl> nn all