[00:54] cjohnston: http://devxdev.com/utv <-- Ubuntu TV :) [00:55] you should buy me one [00:59] cjohnston: lol ;p [06:40] good morning [06:43] Morning dholbach [06:43] hi nigelb [06:43] How was your WE? [06:46] great - how was yours? :) [06:49] Not bad. Managed to survive :D [06:49] Kinda tiring === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [07:08] anyone know of a tool like trello, but that I can run locally? [07:15] jussi, https://github.com/oo7ph/Trello-Clone/ ? [07:30] popey: that doesnt seem to be quite what Im lookign for... unless I understand incorrectly [07:30] dunno, was something I saw when I looked for a free trello [07:30] was a link i had in my remembered browser thingy [07:56] aloha [08:01] morning czajkowski [08:06] jussi: hey how was the kde event [08:06] czajkowski: Akademy was good - although I didnt have much time there [08:06] just about 6 or 7 hours [08:07] was wonderful to catch up with people [11:55] mornin === fenris_ is now known as Guest20501 === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 [15:09] hey jono [15:18] hey dholbach [15:18] sorry dholbach, can you give me a few mins [15:18] sure [15:18] dholbach, been delayed [15:30] dholbach, ok, all set? [15:30] dholbach, sorry for the delay [15:30] sure [15:31] let's go [15:32] dholbach, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/99ab3d466071d33660653d33212e1dfafa4a14e5?authuser=0&hl=en-US [15:47] jcastrim askubuntu.com seems broken on the ff beta in quantal [15:48] jcastro, ^^ [15:49] balloons: isn't it more likely that the beta browser in the alpha release is the one that is broken? [15:49] mhall119, NEVER! [15:49] :-) [15:51] heh [15:51] not much I can do about that balloons [16:06] jcastro, you can't fix my broken software ;-( [16:11] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/07/gwoffice-integrates-google-docs-with-the-ubuntu-desktop [16:11] this is the coolest submission so far imo [16:16] jcastro, that's awesome [17:01] mhall119, all set? [17:03] jono: yup [17:03] mhall119, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6eab3c48f940de3385ac9b73a101a45ecf7c0689?authuser=0&hl=en-US [17:03] w 48 [17:04] alright my friends - time to call it a day [17:04] see you all tomorrow [17:04] g'nite dholbach [17:04] bye :) [17:40] jono: congratulations... I think I am now officially worried about what the poor little un will [17:40] b ecome :P [17:42] thanks jussi! :-) [17:42] hehe, in all serious, congratulations and I hope it all goes well :) [18:30] balloons, about set? [18:30] indeed [18:32] balloons, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d6dcfb382049488901955b9ff4411a42f8b4ff5a?authuser=0&hl=en-US === philipballew_ is now known as philipballew [19:03] I'm curious, jono posts the links to the google hangouts. Does that mean anybody is welcome to join in/listen in? [19:03] I was thinkin the same thing [19:03] IdleOne, no, these are private meetings [19:03] I see. [19:03] shame. [19:04] IdleOne, I keep my 1-on-1 calls with the team private so we are free discuss any matters [19:04] it would be interesting to sit in, without interrupting of course, to a team meeting sometime [19:04] IdleOne, sure, maybe we can do this for one of our Wed meetings [19:05] our team meetings [19:05] \o/ [19:05] insta-transparency via google hangouts, ftw. [19:05] jono: understandable, there may be subjects that you or one of the team does not want public. [19:05] jcastro, well, yes and no [19:05] transparency is always good, but sometimes a team needs to bond in a private environment [19:05] it has to render so it's semi-insta hehe [19:05] which is the purpose of the wed meetings [19:05] the Tues IRC meetings are the public meetings [19:05] what you guys do in private.... [19:06] cjohnston, we talk about various things [19:06] often company-confidential content [19:06] not where I was headed :-P [19:06] team-related stuff etc [19:06] jono: right, I meant withing reason, we should certainly keep my getting yelled at private [19:06] :p [19:06] lulz [19:06] CASTRO! [19:06] CASTRO! [19:06] STOP IT! [19:06] :-) [19:06] maybe do the tuesday meetings on hangouts on air so that we can see faces, give your updates, and then answer any questions that come from irc [19:06] "LOL I CAN PIPE DEADMAUS RIGHT INTO THE MEETING." [19:07] jono: I would expect that a public team meeting would be somewhat homogenized :) [19:07] Nah, I think you all should do the meetings completely in public [19:07] cjohnston: yeah that's exactly what I want to do, but some people like IRC. [19:07] cjohnston, I would prefer that [19:07] some people who are old school [19:07] personally I don't like IRC meetings [19:07] and I wouldn't want to shame their old school ness [19:07] his name is Daniel [19:07] so people can realize there's a lot of boring shit that occurs during these meetings that they really don't care about. [19:07] snap-l, indeed [19:07] we do ours on air, but we don't do the 'live ask questions part' [19:07] * jcastro shoves dholbach under a bus [19:07] it's tricky to grep through hangouts afterwards to find thing ;) [19:07] things [19:08] pleia2, this is true [19:08] the logging of IRC is handy [19:08] jono: so why not do the irc meeting in hangout and record it, that way the logs can still be published [19:08] Just have jono do a transcription. ;) [19:08] well, someone could post on their blog the hangout [19:08] I wonder whether the team member summaries are particularly useful [19:08] hmm [19:08] hey [19:08] IdleOne, eh? [19:08] ah, pleia2 answered my question [19:08] to an extent.. [19:08] how about, video for the meeting, but publishing notes for grepness [19:08] that sounds good too [19:08] jcastro, who will write the notes? [19:09] jcastro, well volunteered! [19:09] humans aren't so good at writing meeting notes [19:09] haha [19:09] * IdleOne goes back to idle [19:09] pleia2, agreed [19:09] I'm much better at taking notes than pasting in IRC sentences [19:09] jono: you mis-wrote your sentence as a question, "jcastro will write the notes" [19:09] put it this way, I am not writing meeting notes, if you want to do it, jcastro, go ahead :-) [19:09] cjohnston, :-) [19:09] I'd rather read not so good human written notes than IRC logs [19:09] IRC meetings (or notes) I can skim through at work, if everything moves to hangouts I'll neer watch the videos (can't do it quickly, can't do it at work) [19:09] hey, all my TODO is public, I have a living notetaker [19:10] maybe the community can take notes? [19:10] so we do the hangout and others can take notes? [19:10] the team will busy enough preparing their summaries without taking notes [19:10] I think notes would quicly fall away.. [19:10] agreed ^ [19:10] cjohnston, very possibly [19:10] I am wondering if people even read the existing notes [19:10] I wouldn't [19:11] "jorge and jono arguing about metal, daniel rolls eyes." [19:11] maybe make the summaries the notes.. same thing as IRC, but slightly different... then maybe if there are important questions that get asked, add them [19:11] right, more of a summary than a point for point. [19:11] "The team talked about the app contest at 4:45 into the discussion. Main points, foo, bar, baz." [19:11] compiling all of the summaries wouldn't be too much work [19:11] I like the idea of doing hangouts [19:12] and I think of folks can take note and publish them for the community then this will work [19:12] if the community cares about notes, then I am sure our community can self organize to take them [19:12] jono et la, people do this for podcasts quite successfully [19:12] particularly if G+ is considered more interesting than IRC [19:12] mhall119: I'm going to be out of town this week (actually leave tuesday night, but super busy until then), can you join #ubuntu-classroom-backstage when you have the schedule for workshops available and nudge people to get it added to the calendar? [19:12] also, we would still record the hangouts on youtube [19:12] I am kind of surprised google doesn't do auto closed captioning, etc. [19:12] that would solve the problem nicely [19:12] jcastro, indeed [19:13] this is what one of our squads do, a public summary of their meeting http://codesinger.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/yellow-squad-weekly-retrospective.html [19:13] ok, so next week lets maybe try this [19:13] tomorrow I needed to cancel the meeting for another one [19:14] jcastro, http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/automatic-captions-in-youtube.html [19:14] brb, lunch [19:16] I am for/pro anything that doesn't include the wiki [19:16] pretty funny results: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idfnk68Eo28.. watch it with cc on :-) [19:17] bkerensa: ping [19:17] bkerensa: please check your hp account and check to see if it's enabled/free [19:17] also, lmk if they sent you a mail [19:18] jcastro: you're so anti irc/wiki though you're the other extreme :( [19:19] I'm not anti wiki/irc, I'm just pro better tools. :) [19:19] Wikis are a pain [19:19] jcastro: anti :) [19:19] They're out of date the moment you hit submit [19:30] balloons: hey can you check your HP Cloud account? [19:30] the one you mailed me the creds with [19:30] and see if you can use it and the stuff says 0 for cost. [19:30] sur [19:31] jcastro: nope I am not enabled [19:33] bkerensa: k [19:33] jcastro, were should I see "free"? [19:33] I think it should just not be charging you [19:34] sigh, I was hoping they would send everyone emails [19:35] jcastro: they have a chat agent and I asked him to check their backend and he said that my account bills at the normal rate [19:35] jcastro: he said something about if this is marked a free account its noted in the billing [19:35] jcastro, I can spawn instances, heh [19:35] I am pretty sure they work [19:35] it's whether they charge you that I am not sure of [19:36] imbrandon: and yours shows up as free? [19:37] jcastro: ahh the guy just check he said http://h20a64e3977ba79ad14ba0fcf39ac26a4.cdn.hpcloudsvc.com/ABM_Request.docx [19:37] that I would need to fill that out first [19:38] we've done all that already [19:38] jcastro: yup so far [19:38] jcastro: it said 67$ charge -67$ adjustment [19:38] jcastro: ^^ [19:39] ok, that's what I thought [19:40] ok so they tell me if we have any problems to just ping them [19:40] and they went off of our list [19:40] so I'll just send you all emails [19:41] huh [19:41] * bkerensa will spawn up a instance and run it [19:47] mhall119, what was that Django page you linked me to about manage.py commands again? [19:49] mhall119, nm, got it [19:49] thanks [19:52] balloons: lmk when you've got some awesome QA thing running on it doing Science(tm) for Mankind [19:52] jcastro, yes I can mess with it this week if it's ready to roll [19:53] thanks for helping get this rolling! [19:55] jono: np [19:59] mhall119, do you have to do anything special to register a subcommand? [19:59] other than ensuring the app is in INSTALLED_APPs [20:00] and creating the dirs in the app dir? [20:00] management/commands [20:00] is there an __init__.py in the management and commands directories? [20:00] cjohnston, that was what I was missing [20:00] thanks cjohnston [20:01] :-) [20:04] what cjohnston said :) [20:05] jcastro: so Josee reached out to me and Brian Murray about a Q+A.... Brian asked me what this was about ? [20:05] Do you know by chance? :P [20:05] probably ubuntu on air [20:42] ugh [20:42] is it really 4:45 already [20:43] my inbox looks like a car wreck [20:43] filtering for the win? [20:43] :D [20:44] too bad filtering doesn't respond for me either [20:45] true [21:00] bkerensa: we're doing some Q+A support workshops tomorrow [21:00] mhall119: that sounds fun :) [21:00] http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/workshops/ [21:00] it's for the last week of the app developer showdown [21:01] cool I will pass it along to people :) [21:16] mhall119, does this make sense: [21:16] i = Failures(failuretype=FailureTypes.objects.get(id=id), date=item_date, share_id=item_share_id, user=item_username, accom_id=item_accom_id, summary=item_summary) [21:17] I am getting an integrity error on the failuretype field [21:17] that it can't be NULL [21:17] my get() returns the correct object [21:23] jono: try failuretype_id=id instead [21:24] * mhall119 assumes you're calling i.save() whhich throws the integrity error [21:25] I am calling i.save() [21:26] mhall119, what is the issue here? [21:26] the value I pass to failuretype seems to be the correct type [21:26] let me pastebin it [21:26] please [21:27] mhall119, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1072056/ [21:28] jono: can you pastebin (or link to) your models.py? [21:29] mhall119, sure [21:29] mhall119, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1072059/ [21:30] and 'f' is not None? [21:30] mhall119, f is: [21:31] mhall119, the type is: [21:31] when I just print f it says 'worker' which is what it is [21:32] and what's the exact error? [21:33] django.db.utils.IntegrityError: dashboard_failures.type may not be NULL [21:34] hmmm [21:34] did you change from 'type' to 'failuretype' in your Failures model by any chance? [21:35] I mean, did you rename a field in Failures from 'type' to 'failuretype'? [21:36] mhall119, hmmm not sure [21:36] I will recreate my db [21:36] if so, and if you did this after running syncdb, the problem is that your database still has the old column name, you'll need to drop the table and re-syncdb it (or drop the whole database and re-syncdb it) [21:37] aha! [21:37] now it works [21:38] but now I get this error when I look at the failures table in the admin: [21:38] coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, datetime.datetime found [21:38] it looks like my datetime is not getting formatted correctly [21:38] as I am passing it a string [21:38] mhall119, do you know how to convert the string into a datetime it will be happy with? [21:38] you'll need to convert your argument from a string to a datetime [21:39] jono, when my son was born, I solicited names from #lugradio [21:39] jono: http://docs.python.org/library/datetime.html#datetime.datetime.strptime [21:40] popey, heh [21:40] use http://docs.python.org/library/datetime.html#strftime-strptime-behavior to determine what your format string should be (it'll depend on what you want people passing on the commandline) [21:41] popey: and we're all happy that you didn't name him "GNU/MicrosoftSucks Pope" [21:41] hah [21:41] well, i did tell them that given my surname is Pope, I wanted his initials to be something nerdy [21:41] like http, ftp... [21:41] :P [21:42] with p as the last initial there's a lot of scope [21:42] he's SMP [21:42] my wife didn't know this was orchestrated [21:42] I think jono can one-up you on cheesy naming options [21:42] I'm ARP, so me and him and nice and nerdy together :D [21:42] mhall119, what is the format I pass to strptime? [21:43] mhall119, managed to get my lens working :D [21:43] going to enter the showdown \o/ [21:43] competition looks strong! [21:45] oh I see I think [21:46] jono: it depends on what you're sending on the commandline [21:47] mhall119, got it working [21:47] thanks [21:47] if you're sending "2012-07-02" you want "%Y-%m-%d" [21:51] mhall119, odd I am still getting an error in the admin [21:55] Caught TypeError while rendering: coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, datetime.datetime found [22:04] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9910535/django-coercing-to-unicode-need-string-or-buffer-datetime-date-found [22:07] daker, I fixed it, thanks! [22:07] :)