[13:52] <vibhav> The DMB meeting is today, right?
[13:52] <vibhav> s/today/after 8 minutes/
[13:56] <tumbleweed> yesu
[13:58] <vibhav> And barry is the chair?
[13:59]  * coolbhavi wishes all the best to vibhav 
[14:01]  * vibhav hugs coolbhavi 
[14:01] <tumbleweed> !dmb-ping
[14:01] <Laney> hello
[14:01] <micahg> o/
[14:02] <vibhav> o/
[14:02] <tumbleweed> we need at least one more to be quorate
[14:02] <Laney> bdrung and stgraber already apologised
[14:03] <vibhav> barry aint here
[14:03] <Laney> barry isn't even online
[14:03]  * Laney grumbles
[14:03] <tumbleweed> probably has no power
[14:03] <tumbleweed> washington...
[14:03] <vibhav> :(
[14:04] <Laney> 02/07 15:03:55 -!-  idle     : 4 days 16 hours 20 mins 22 secs [signon: Mon Jun 25 15:13:30 2012]
[14:04] <micahg> laney is first anyways
[14:04] <Laney> cody
[14:04] <Laney> still not quorate for that
[14:06] <vibhav> So, what do we do then?
[14:08]  * Laney grumps at cody-somerville 
[14:09]  * vibhav waits
[14:10] <Laney> right
[14:10] <Laney> we're going to go ahead and collect any remaining votes we need over email
[14:11] <Laney> #startmeeting
[14:11] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jul  2 14:11:10 2012 UTC.  The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:11] <Laney> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:11] <Laney> #subtopic micahg to document the zentyal packageset
[14:11] <Laney> ?
[14:11] <micahg> no
[14:11] <Laney> #action micahg document the zentyal packageset
[14:11] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg document the zentyal packageset
[14:11] <Laney> carried!
[14:12] <Laney> #subtopic invitation to appear before the CC on 5 July
[14:12] <Laney> can people be there?
[14:12] <tumbleweed> yeah, I probably can
[14:12]  * Laney too
[14:12] <tumbleweed> do we have anything on our minds to raise with them?
[14:12]  * micahg should be able to be there
[14:13] <Laney> foreshadowing, maybe we can ask about the six month thing
[14:13] <Laney> see if we are in line
[14:13] <micahg> well, there's the issue of PPU not counting for Ubuntu membership
[14:13] <Laney> we don't even have agreement from the dmb that we want that, but we could ask for their guidance.
[14:13] <micahg> err, not granting, it should count towards it
[14:14] <tumbleweed> we should at least tell them thaht it concerns us, and how we are dealing with it
[14:14] <Laney> #action everyone try and be at CC meeting July 5th 17:00 UTC
[14:14] <meetingology> ACTION: everyone try and be at CC meeting July 5th 17:00 UTC
[14:14] <micahg> ok, I'll start a thread on the list then to see if we can get some type of consensus before then
[14:14] <Laney> d-m-b@ or -devel@ or?
[14:15] <tumbleweed> I'll dig up the transcript of the last such meeting
[14:15] <micahg> d-m-b@ for not
[14:15] <micahg> *now
[14:15] <Laney> ok
[14:15] <Laney> #action micahg to start a discussion on dmb@ about whether PPU should confer membership
[14:15] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to start a discussion on dmb@ about whether PPU should confer membership
[14:15] <Laney> onwards
[14:15] <Laney> #topic Ubuntu Contributing Developer Application: Vibhav Pant
[14:15] <Laney> vibhav: introduce yourself quickly please
[14:15] <vibhav> sure
[14:16] <vibhav> I am Vibhav Pant, age 14
[14:16] <vibhav> I have been using Ubuntu since the age of 9, and was contributing eariler to Ubuntu by translations
[14:16] <vibhav> I was introduced to Ubuntu Development by dholbach by the fix it friday initiative
[14:17] <vibhav> And immediately fell in love with Ubutnu Community
[14:17] <vibhav> I am currently working on NBSes, merges , upstream changes and SRUs
[14:17] <Laney> thanks
[14:18] <vibhav> My Application can be seen at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VibhavPant/UniverseContributorApplication
[14:18] <Laney> who wants to go first? I suggest we use "o/" and "..".
[14:18] <Laney> oh yes, I should have linked that.
[14:18] <tumbleweed> o/
[14:18] <Laney> go
[14:19] <tumbleweed> vibhav: you're a fairly recent contributor, essentially applying for membership through ubuntu development
[14:19] <vibhav> tumbleweed: Yes
[14:20] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers describes a requirement for "significant and sustained contributions" which is normally understood as 6 months
[14:20] <tumbleweed> have you been developing on ubuntu for that long?
[14:20] <vibhav> nope
[14:20] <tumbleweed> were you aware of that requirement?
[14:20] <vibhav> nope
[14:20] <ikonia> I'm sorry that is not true
[14:21] <ikonia> other membership boards have made it clear the "sustained requirements" period minimum
[14:21] <micahg> vibhav: I told you about that in #ubuntu-motu
[14:21] <vibhav> micahg: yeah, I forgot
[14:21] <vibhav> So, please continue
[14:21] <IdleOne> o/
[14:22] <tumbleweed> .. for now
[14:23] <Laney> o/
[14:23] <Laney> vibhav: please explain https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VibhavPant/UniverseContributorApplication?action=diff&rev1=46&rev2=47 and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VibhavPant/UniverseContributorApplication?action=diff&rev1=44&rev2=45
[14:23] <IdleOne> I would just like to reiterate my comments that were also made at a precious Regional membership board meeting. I do not think vibhav is mature enough to be considered for Ubuntu membership. He lacks the necessary "team spirit" this community is built on. I strongly suggest his application be rejected until he can show more of the needed qualities. I am also concerned with the recent changes that were applied to the wiki page i.e comments
[14:23] <IdleOne> being removed.
[14:23] <IdleOne> s/precious/previous/
[14:24] <vibhav> Laney: restored
[14:24] <tumbleweed> IdleOne: thanks for bringing it to our attention
[14:24] <IdleOne> My pleasure.
[14:24] <Laney> I know that micahg put it back again.
[14:24] <Laney> I'm concerned about why you thought trying to hide it from us was appropriate.
[14:24] <vibhav> sorry
[14:26] <Laney> We might have been able to have a discussion about the content of the comment, but that is now overshadowed by this, IMHO.
[14:26] <vibhav> I agree, that was really stupid of me
[14:26] <ikonia> it's not the first time you've done it
[14:26] <tumbleweed> yeah, one of the most important things I'm looking for in a prospective Ubuntu developer is trust from other developers
[14:27] <ikonia> this whole telling lies thing is getting to be a real insult to the constant applications to the community
[14:27] <Laney> I'm also very concerned that you have been to other membership boards and aren't following their advice.
[14:27] <IdleOne> vibhav: part of being in a community is being able to accept criticism from your peers and learning from that criticism. Trying to hide it from the DMB was not only stupid, as you put it, but for me it shows a lack of trustworthiness.
[14:28] <vibhav> IdleOne: I was never trying to hide it
[14:28] <IdleOne> vibhav: I want you to know that I am probably obe of your biggest supporters. The Ubuntu ops team has had more than a few discussions about you.
[14:28] <IdleOne> s/obe/one/
[14:29] <Laney> ..
[14:29] <tumbleweed> vibhav: then why remove it?
[14:29] <IdleOne> I am always trying to point out that you do have the potential but you don't want to do the work involved. This latest incident has really disappointed me.
[14:29] <IdleOne> Thanks to the DMB for letting me speak, sorry i took so much time.
[14:30] <tumbleweed> IdleOne: the "Things I can do better" paint a similar picture
[14:30] <ikonia> I'm actually considering taking this to the CC
[14:30] <tumbleweed> they are all part of "doing the work involved"
[14:30] <ikonia> I don't find it acceptable that someone who is a persistant liar and trying to trick people into membership be allowed to continue
[14:30] <vibhav> tumbleweed: Yeah, but I dont remember that stuff
[14:30] <Laney> ikonia: thanks. We'll take it from here...
[14:30] <ikonia> sure
[14:31] <Laney> anyone else? micahg?
[14:31] <micahg> I think what I wanted to say has been said already
[14:31] <Laney> ok, let's vote.
[14:32] <Laney> You should note that we don't have quorum so formally this will have to be settled over email.
[14:32] <micahg> well, that depends on the vote :)
[14:32] <Laney> #vote Should Vibhav Pant Pant become an Ubuntun Contributing Developer
[14:32] <meetingology> Please vote on: Should Vibhav Pant Pant become an Ubuntun Contributing Developer
[14:32] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[14:32] <Laney> (without typo) (with question mark)
[14:33] <micahg> -1 only three months of dev work, wiki behaviour is an example not befitting an Ubuntu member regardless
[14:33] <meetingology> -1 only three months of dev work, wiki behaviour is an example not befitting an Ubuntu member regardless received from micahg
[14:34] <tumbleweed> -1 (as above)
[14:34] <meetingology> -1 (as above) received from tumbleweed
[14:34] <Laney> -1 Not been contribution for six months (the minimum, as advised). Dishonest behaviour, even when this has clearly been noticed.
[14:34] <meetingology> -1 Not been contribution for six months (the minimum, as advised). Dishonest behaviour, even when this has clearly been noticed. received from Laney
[14:34] <Laney> #endvote
[14:34] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should Vibhav Pant Pant become an Ubuntun Contributing Developer
[14:34] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:3 Abstentions:0
[14:34] <meetingology> Motion denied
[14:35] <Laney> If you decide to come back, I suggest you reflect on all of the feedback you've been given.
[14:36] <Laney> No quorum. Guess poor Laney has to wait until next time.
[14:37] <Laney> #action chair for next meeting
[14:37] <meetingology> ACTION: chair for next meeting
[14:37] <Laney> oops
[14:37] <tumbleweed> guess we get to go through together, then (or not at all :P )
[14:37] <Laney> #topic chair for next meeting
[14:37] <Laney> that's micahg
[14:37] <Laney> #topic aob
[14:37] <Laney> ?
[14:37] <micahg> no, it's barry :)
[14:38] <Laney> oh yeah, barry (micahg) :P
[14:38] <Laney> ding ding
[14:38] <Laney> #endmeeting
[14:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jul  2 14:38:26 2012 UTC.
[14:38] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-02-14.11.moin.txt
[14:38] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-02-14.11.html
[14:38] <Laney> cheers all
[14:38] <ikonia> that was quick
[14:38] <ikonia> thank you guys
[14:38] <Laney> we're efficient here
[14:38] <Laney> (a blatant lie)
[14:39] <micahg> Laney: thanks for chairing
[14:39] <Laney> np
[18:00] <tyhicks> \o
[18:00]  * sbeattie waves
[18:01] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:01] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jul  2 18:01:31 2012 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:01] <kees> \o
[18:01] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:01] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:01] <jdstrand> hi kees :)
[18:01] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:02] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:02] <jdstrand> I'm working on getting oo.o and libreoffice out today
[18:03] <jdstrand> I've also got the apparmor 2.8 upload for quantal, but am trying to work out the python3 packaging as libapparmor isn't importable in python3 due to it going to the wrong place
[18:03] <jdstrand> the ufw python3 port should be done, I'd like to get it packaged for quantal
[18:04] <jdstrand> I plan to continue working on my assigned updates after that
[18:04] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: is off today. he is on triage and I believe has some updates pending
[18:04] <sbeattie> jdstrand: do we expect python-libapparmor to only support python3 from a packaging standpoint?
[18:04] <jdstrand> jjohansen is also off. I'm not sure what he has planned
[18:05] <sbeattie> (hopefully sleep)
[18:05] <jdstrand> sbeattie: that was my starting point, since there are no reverse depends. in thinking about it over the weekend though, I think we may want to also export python2
[18:05] <sbeattie> would we need a separate package for that?
[18:06] <jdstrand> our python tools should be bi-lingual, so it should just be a matter of putting things in the right place
[18:06] <sbeattie> okay
[18:06] <jdstrand> sbeattie: based on my understanding of the Debian/Ubuntu python packaging guidelines, yes
[18:06] <jdstrand> I am going to get some advice on that though
[18:07] <kees> it should be possible to just build the python bindings twice
[18:07] <jdstrand> that is what I was hoping
[18:08] <jdstrand> the recent commits make it so that PYTHON* env variables dtrt
[18:08] <jdstrand> so I just need to work out how to package that bit
[18:08] <kees> yeah. is there a dh_python3, or does dh_python2 handle both?
[18:09] <jdstrand> dh_python3 isn't being super helpful atm-- it is putting things in site-packages instead of dist-packages so python3 script can't find it
[18:09] <jdstrand> kees: both-- I think dh_python2 can be passed --with-python3 and then maybe it will work. I'm kinda in the middle of it, so not sure
[18:09] <kees> cool
[18:09] <micahg> hrm, I thought site-packages was deprecated since python 2.6?
[18:09] <jdstrand> micahg: exactly
[18:10] <micahg> well, that sounds like a bug that should be easily fixed, has anyone talked to doko_ about it?
[18:10] <jdstrand> anyhoo-- we don't need to bikeshed this-- I'm on it and will work it out. if I need help, I'll holler
[18:10] <tumbleweed> jdstrand: site-packages vs dist-packages means you aren't calling setup.py correctly
[18:11] <jdstrand> tumbleweed: heh, thanks. I read something on that and thought that might be the case
[18:11] <tumbleweed> you want --install-layout=deb
[18:11] <jdstrand> but haven't had a chance to try it
[18:11] <jdstrand> tumbleweed: noted. this may go faster than I thought. thanks! :)
[18:11] <jdstrand> sbeattie: you're up
[18:12] <sbeattie> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:12] <sbeattie> I'm testing the openjdk-6/icedtea-web backport/update; hoping to have that out by the end of this week.
[18:13] <sbeattie> I've also got an embargoed issue on my plate
[18:13] <sbeattie> I need to catch up on the open apparmor patches for review.
[18:13] <sbeattie> and that's pretty much it for me; I'll be off the 4th for the US national holiday.
[18:14] <sbeattie> micahg: you're up
[18:14] <micahg> I'll be helping sbeattie test the icedtea backport as it fixes a regression for me, and then working on webkit
[18:14] <micahg> I think that's it
[18:15] <tyhicks> I'm in the community role this week
[18:15] <tyhicks> I'm wrapping up some Mozilla testing as we speak and then my focus will shift to the pidgin update
[18:16] <tyhicks> I didn't get much time to work on it last week since I was catching up on the Mozilla pretesting schedule and working through some issues I ran into while doing that
[18:16] <jdstrand> tyhicks: did you sort out those issues?
[18:16] <tyhicks> I've got a short week. Half a day off tomorrow, the holiday, and then a full day off on Thursday.
[18:17] <tyhicks> jdstrand: Yep - it was a problem with our thunderbird config dir tar that we pull out of QRT. I can fill you in after the meeting.
[18:17] <tyhicks> (the rest was 'fixed' by filing bugs against ff/tbird)
[18:17] <tyhicks> I still haven't gotten to my merges, so any free time will be spent on those.
[18:18] <tyhicks> That's it for me
[18:18] <tyhicks> jdstrand: You're up since jj is away today
[18:18] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:18] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:19] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:19] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/strongswan.html
[18:19] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/freeciv.html
[18:19] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/qtnx.html
[18:19] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/policycoreutils.html
[18:19] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/maildrop.html
[18:19] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:20] <jdstrand> There are a lot of merge opportunities for packages listed in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/. Performing these updates is a great way to help Ubuntu and bolster your developer application.
[18:20] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:20] <kees> I've got the xorg update for precise tested, can someone publish it?
[18:20] <kees> it's been sitting since UDS :P
[18:22] <jdstrand> kees: remind me-- is that >= 1.10 or > 1.10
[18:22] <tyhicks> That probably falls on my shoulders since I'm on community this week, but I doubt I'll be able to get to it with my short work week
[18:23] <kees> jdstrand: ?
[18:23] <jdstrand> kees: what version of X is affected?
[18:24] <kees> jdstrand: ah! introduced in 1.10 (LP: #996250)
[18:26] <jdstrand> kees: ok, so that means that natty and oneiric are also affected
[18:26] <kees> yeah, I didn't attempt those backports.
[18:26] <jdstrand> sure
[18:27] <jdstrand> we have currently prioritized this as 'low' due to our hardening measures
[18:27] <jdstrand> which is why no one has done anything yet
[18:27] <jdstrand> of course, the patch is sitting there, so someone could try to get that going
[18:28] <jdstrand> kees: do you feel 'low' is not appropriate for Ubuntu?
[18:30] <kees> well...
[18:30] <kees> it's a DoS due to upstart killing the respawn.
[18:30] <kees> and since on restart it aborts during video init, the console is unusable after the 1st restart
[18:31] <kees> so, it's kind of borderline. anyone can ruin your unsaved-work day by sticking in the evil hid thingy
[18:31] <jdstrand> yeah
[18:31] <kees> it's also very unlikely. :P
[18:31] <jdstrand> yes-- requires physical access
[18:31] <sbeattie> ... unless you're in the vicinity of kees
[18:31] <kees> :P
[18:32] <sbeattie> "workaround: avoid kees"
[18:32] <jdstrand> I can much less creatively ruin your work if I have physical access
[18:32] <jdstrand> anyhoo, it sounds like tyhicks will be looking at it
[18:32] <kees> cool, thanks
[18:33] <jdstrand> hopefully a backport will be straightforward and easy to test
[18:33] <jdstrand> anything else to discuss?
[18:33] <kees> I *think* the backport of my patch for 1.11 shouldn't be much worse for 1.10. I already hauled in all the new functions for 1.11
[18:41] <jdstrand> sbeattie, micahg, tyhicks, kees: thanks!
[18:41] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:41] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jul  2 18:41:59 2012 UTC.
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[18:42] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[18:48] <doko_> jdstrand, dh_python3, could you point me to a .dsc/package?
[19:03] <jdstrand> doko_: ok (though I didn't really mean for everyone to get involved yet :) it is in /home/jamie/uploads/quantal on chinstrap