[03:17] <Fudge> is anyone here using speakup in quantal
[04:27] <Jagst3r15> can someone whose testing 12.10 tell me what exactly the optiosn are on the login screen>
[04:27] <Jagst3r15> is it gnome, unity, and unity 2d?
[04:40] <jbicha> Jagst3r15: it's the same as 11.10 or 12.04 LTS, only Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D by default
[04:40] <Jagst3r15> jbicha i heard that GNOME was going to be added though>
[04:41] <Jagst3r15> or i read that rather
[04:41] <jbicha> perhaps you read that there could be an official GNOME variant
[04:42] <Jagst3r15> perhaps
[04:43] <jbicha> even still, GNOME Shell isn't being considered for inclusion in the default Ubuntu install any time soon
[04:44] <Jagst3r15> this was from wikipedia "They are forecast to include an improved boot up sequence and log-in screen, dropping Unity 2D in favor of lower hardware requirements for Unity 3D, wrap around dialogs and toolbars for the HUD and a "vanilla" version of Gnome-Shell as an option."
[04:45] <Jagst3r15> I assume that the forecast was not true then
[04:46] <jbicha> that's misleading, the Ubuntu project may have a GNOME flavor, but the main Ubuntu image will not
[04:46] <Jagst3r15> ok thanks for clarifying :)
[05:36] <gRAVIty_> can someone tell how I can do a USB install for ubuntu 12.10. The normal methods do not work because they dont yet support ubuntu 12.10
[05:38] <gRAVIty_> any one around?
[05:38] <ghostchick> yu
[05:39] <gRAVIty_> ghostchick: can you help with the USB install?
[05:40] <gRAVIty_> ghostchick: not able to do it with any of the sofwares
[05:44] <wilee-nilee> gRAVIty_, the way to get help is to be specific in the problems, and what you have tried.
[05:45] <wilee-nilee> you don't want the helper to have top ask you 50 questions
[05:45] <wilee-nilee> to*
[05:45] <gRAVIty_> wilee-nilee: Thanks. I tried Unetbootin, Live USB, ghostchick
[05:46] <gRAVIty_> ghostchick is helping me out privately. Thanks
[05:46] <wilee-nilee> cool graingert_ufo
[05:46] <wilee-nilee> gRAVIty_,
[05:46] <ghostchick> gRAVIty_,  ghostchick is still not an usb installer name
[05:46] <dax> should just use dd :\
[05:46] <gRAVIty_> wilee-nilee: currently trying  Lili
[05:47] <wilee-nilee> gRAVIty_, what happens when you have tried the others is it consistent?
[05:47] <ghostchick> dax,  does it work with raw dd?
[05:47] <dax> should do, unless 12.10 broke something, which i doubt
[05:48] <dax> the desktop ISOs started being dd'able a few releases ago
[05:48] <wilee-nilee> some daily releases which is what I use ocasionaly don't boot.
[05:48] <gRAVIty_> wilee-nilee: everything starts but at the end there is a line which say "stopping" and it gets stuck there
[05:48] <wilee-nilee> gRAVIty_, have you checked the md5sum of the ISO?
[05:49] <gRAVIty_> wilee-nilee: no. how do I do that? I think Live USB did that automatically
[05:50] <gRAVIty_> Linux live seems to be creating it on the USB. Let me see how that turns out? how do you guys install?
[05:51] <wilee-nilee> gRAVIty_, I have not seen a installer that checks the sum, although there may be some, but here is the wiki. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM/
[05:51] <gRAVIty_> checking that out
[06:06] <gRAVIty_> ghostchick: did not work. Differnet message but it basically gets stuck and does not proceed further
[06:06] <gRAVIty_> wilee-nilee:there?
[06:09] <ghostchick> gRAVIty_,  did you installed any ubuntu before on the same computer7
[06:09] <gRAVIty_> ghostchick: I have 12.04 on this already
[06:10] <ghostchick> i wondered  because of a possible nomodeset
[06:10] <gRAVIty_> The problem is ethernet does not work on that. I have a x200 tablet. Bodhi-zazen suggest me to try this live
[06:10] <ghostchick> so dd or md5checksum
[06:11] <gRAVIty_> The idea is that if this works I will update the kernel
[06:11] <gRAVIty_> also
[06:11] <gRAVIty_> i tried running virtual box
[06:11] <gRAVIty_> it says cpu does not support it
[06:11] <gRAVIty_> rather please use appropriate kernel for the cpu
[06:21] <gRAVIty_> where do I find the ubuntuhash for 12.10
[06:23] <dax> generally in the same directory that you downloaded the ISO from
[06:26] <gRAVIty_> dax: found it. I was looking for one on net to compare
[06:27] <dax> no need, you can just check the GPG signature of the one on your download mirror :\
[06:27] <dax> but w/e
[06:28] <gRAVIty_> dax: I used winMD5sum and compared it one on net. problem solved. Can you help me with creating a live USB for 12.10?
[06:28] <gRAVIty_> I tried, Unetbootin, LiveUSb LiLiUSb
[06:28] <dax> If you're on a Linux, sudo dd if=isofilename.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M. If you're on Windows, I have no idea.
[06:30] <gRAVIty_> how is the USB drive specified? The X in sd? how do I find it?
[06:36] <dax> it should be in the output from `dmesg' when you plug it in, amongst other places
[06:36] <ghostchick> dax,  he is on windows
[06:36] <gRAVIty_> dax: thanks . rebooting into linux and doing it
[06:36]  * dax grins at ghostchick
[06:36] <gRAVIty_> ethernet does not work on linux 12.04
[06:36] <gRAVIty_> the one I have
[06:37] <ghostchick> proud of getting lucky to have the most linux friendly hardware , whatever the distribution
[06:37] <gRAVIty_> ok see you guys :)
[06:38] <dax> ghostchick: same, all my stuff works out of the box, it's rather nice
[06:39] <ghostchick> yup, and my new netbook same, so for me all this hardware is fun to debug because i never suffered from it
[06:39] <gRAVIty_> ghostchick: my headache your fun :)
[06:40] <gRAVIty_> kidding. rebooting cya
[11:12] <mwozniak00> why in ubuntu 12.10 repo skype is in 2.2 version? The newest is 4.0...
[11:28] <MCR1> Anyone here running Quantal with fglrx ?
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:45] <ikonia> BluesKaj: what's your current view/status on the 12.10 kde stuff
[11:45] <ikonia> you're normally quite up to date with what you are running
[11:47] <BluesKaj> ikonia, so far so good , encountered only one segfault , but I couldn't reproduce it , there some dependency problems related to nvidia graphics , but that's a separate issue, and rellay the only one I've had to deal with lately . KDE is quite stable in other words
[11:48] <jpds> mwozniak00: Probably just hasn't been updated.
[11:48] <jpds> mwozniak00: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1013258
[11:48] <ikonia> that's not bad, the nvidia dependencies don't concern me as that never settles down until later in the cycle
[11:50] <BluesKaj> ikonia, gotta admit 12.10 is surprisingly stable, especially at this stage
[11:50] <ikonia> yes, positive experiences are not common this early
[11:50] <ikonia> although I suspect a part of that is you know what you're doing/expecting
[11:51] <ikonia> rather than treating it as a production workstation and getting all upset when wine doesn't work properly
[11:52] <MCR1> I am also impressed how well everything worx in 12.10. Top !
[11:52] <BluesKaj> hehe , yeah well , I'm merely a home user and wine isn't installed , so fewer probs I guess
[11:54] <ikonia> BluesKaj: it was just an example, of the experience you see in here "hey I just installed 12.10, and now wine won't play WOW for me, this thing is junk !!!"
[11:54] <ikonia> rather than the more constructive view you've just expressed
[11:56] <BluesKaj> my expectations aren't as great as some gamer who wants to try the newest release with his fav game on the job :)
[11:56] <MCR1> I got the boot time down to 17 seconds here (with multiple additional lenses and indicators) [on SSD]
[12:00]  * BluesKaj wonders about the write life of ssds
[12:20] <BluesKaj> kernel upgrade waits in the wings ...bbaib , I hope
[12:25] <BluesKaj> well , the 3.5.0-3-generic kerenl installed ok , didn't break anything so far
[12:27] <BluesKaj> err kernel
[13:11] <Fudge> what logs can i look in to figure out if a kernel module is causing system freezes?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Fudge, /var/log/syslog(s)
[13:25] <Fudge> jiffy_delta out of range, doesnt mean anything to me
[13:25] <Fudge> BluesKaj  when i load speakup_soft module and then touch the numpad the system freezes
[13:25] <Fudge> the numpad becomes navigational keys for a screen reader to read back the window
[13:28] <Fudge> BluesKaj  do u have a quantal machine you dont mind lockin gup?
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Fudge, ok , nvidia graphics ? if so there are some dependency problems if you don't use the nouveau driver
[13:30] <Fudge> BluesKaj  i didnt mention graphics i dont think
[13:30] <Fudge> I have radeon
[13:30] <BluesKaj> no Fudge , but they might be affected by the screen reader
[13:32] <Fudge> BluesKaj  i dont think so, speakup is a console screen reader
[13:32] <Fudge> i load a kernel module for software speech then bridge it with espeakup
[13:33] <Fudge> but even before loading espeakup if i were to push a key on the numpad the computer would freeze straight away
[13:33] <Fudge> how ever if i dont touch the numpad the screen reader works
[13:34] <BluesKaj> that's beyond my experience , Fudge , I have no clue
[13:35] <Fudge> im just not sure if anything is being logged or if a console msg comes up
[13:35] <Fudge> thats why i asked if you had a machine u could try an dload the module, its already in the kernel and try to reproduce
[13:37] <BluesKaj> fudge . which app is it
[13:37] <Fudge> modprobe speakup_soft start=1
[13:38] <Fudge> push a key on your numpad like 5 for example which if  a synth was loaded would make speakup read the current word
[13:41] <BluesKaj> no freeze here , Fudge
[13:42] <Fudge> oh
[13:42] <BluesKaj> I loaded the module
[13:42] <Fudge> maybe its something with my hardware then?
[13:42] <Fudge> and you hit some keys on numpad?
[13:42] <Fudge> did you parse start=1 also?
[13:43] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:43] <Fudge> well i guess thats a good thing
[13:43] <Fudge> ill try  again with -s -v
[13:43] <Fudge> thank you BluesKaj
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Fudge, when i press any numberpad keys the run command dialog pops up with numbers in it
[13:47] <Fudge> how is that so BluesKaj , speakup only effects keymap in a console, not an X session
[13:47] <Fudge> i am using i tnow using the caps lock as a modifier which speakup supports with no problem
[13:51] <Fudge> but as soon as I touch any key on the numpad system freezes
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Fudge, espeakup wouldn't install ...dependency errors
[13:51] <Fudge> apt-get install -f fixes that usually, but neve rmind about that
[13:52] <Fudge> just dpkg -r it or something BluesKaj  im pretty sure its the actual kernel modules
[13:52] <BluesKaj> no it it didn;t ..i tried it , sudo dpkg --configure -a didn't help either
[13:54] <Fudge> BluesKaj  so you did log in to like tty1 and push numpad there mate?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> Fudge, no I didn't
[13:55] <Fudge> oh ok mate, that will more than likely reproduce it
[14:01] <BluesKaj> if the app woulkdn't install , I don't see how I can duplicate the actions , Fudge
[14:01] <Fudge> you dont need the app mate
[14:01] <Fudge> the kernel module does the work, all espeakup does is makes it available through a software synthisizer
[14:08] <Fudge> for me, as soon as i load the module and touch the numpad the system dies
[14:21] <BluesKaj> Fudge, had to repair a broken disk-file ...these errors: failed command Write DMA , buffer IO error dev sdg (my test hdd)  ..that app is a big problem ...don't ask anyone else to try what I just did , they may not get out of the mess.:?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> :/
[14:23] <ikonia> BluesKaj: do you log many of the bugs you find, or do you find most are fixed through natural resolution
[14:25] <BluesKaj> ikonia, natural resolution , do you mean like using the recovery kernel and repair broken packages dialog as I did in this case ?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> I should have known better , as well , but I do have 12.04 on my other disk.  That speakup app is in a dangerous state IMO
[14:31] <Fudge> BluesKaj  that does explain why after it happens to me why it doesnt boot straight back in, sorry you had trouble
[14:31] <Fudge> did you manage to figure anything out?
[14:31] <ikonia> BluesKaj: more like that are transition stuff that gets fixed as people know it's broken
[14:32] <ikonia> and it stablises as it matures
[14:32] <Fudge> BluesKaj  this has been present since the first iso was available
[14:32] <Fudge> think 3.1.6 speakup
[14:32] <Fudge> should i file a bug against speakup?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> probly a good idea , Fudge
[14:46] <BluesKaj> i also removed the speakup_soft module , Fudge ..not taking any chances , in case I need to use the TTY and also need to use the numberpad there
[14:47] <Fudge> BluesKaj thankyou for confirming
[14:47] <BluesKaj> your welcome , Fudge
[14:47] <BluesKaj> you're welcome actaully
[14:48] <Fudge> :D
[14:48] <BluesKaj> anyway now you know :)
[14:48]  * Fudge nods
[14:49] <Fudge> do u think recoery mode was because of the freeze?
[14:49] <Fudge> recovery
[14:49] <BluesKaj> are you using speakup due to visual problems , Fudge ?
[14:49] <Fudge> yes mate
[14:50] <Fudge> thats why i didnt know about the recovery console coming up
[14:52] <BluesKaj> no I chose the recovery kernel in order to repair a broken file that was preventing me from mounting the hdd
[14:52] <Fudge> oh right, do you recall what file?
[14:55] <BluesKaj> the error didn't specify , only that the wite to the DMA failed and the IO buffer errored on the HDD
[14:56] <Fudge> thanks
[14:57] <BluesKaj> and that error kept repeating in the TTY , with different error numbers , i had to do a hard reboot to get out of the TTY, even ctl+alt+delete wouldn't reboot  the system
[14:59] <Fudge> bluebomber bug 1020608
[14:59] <Fudge> BluesKaj i mean
[14:59] <Fudge> im afraid i have not provided very much detail though
[15:01] <BluesKaj> Fudge, well it's enough ..most ppl don't like having to use the recovery kernel
[15:01] <Fudge> i woudlnt mijnd if i could read it, i'd learn laughing out loud
[15:02] <Fudge> mind
[15:02] <BluesKaj> that should get their attention :)
[15:25] <BluesKaj> the pastebin widget keeps launching a new instance of Firefox , rather than opening a new tab ..can't find any options in FF or pastebin to change that behaviour ...any ideas?
[15:28] <BluesKaj> this may not be the right channel to ask this
[15:44] <edgy> Hi, my  xorg.0.log is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/1073281/, does this mean I have Nvidia working or not?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> edgy, run glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[15:52] <philinux> BluesKaj: he'd need to do this first sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
[15:54] <BluesKaj> philinux, yes and when he runs the command he'll receive that message , then he'll most likely install mesa-utils
[15:57] <edgy> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[15:57] <edgy> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GTX 560M/PCIe/SSE2
[15:57] <edgy> OpenGL version string: 4.2.0 NVIDIA 302.17
[15:57] <edgy> seems ok?
[15:59] <Daekdroom> Yes, it does.
[16:26] <edgy> thanks BluesKaj, Daekdroom
[17:19] <IdleOne> I'm getting WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[17:19] <dax> IdleOne: does it persist after running sudo apt-get update again?
[17:20] <IdleOne> should I be worried? no PPAs all the packages seem to be coming from my usual mirror
[17:20] <IdleOne> dax: good question
[17:20] <dax> (sometimes incomplete apt-get updates can cause that, depending on what does and doesn't get downloaded before it falls over)
[17:20] <IdleOne> running update again, will let you know
[17:21] <IdleOne> hmm, interesting. thanks for the tip :)
[17:30] <IdleOne> dax: No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already. Any clue how I make it write a error report?
[17:30] <dax> IdleOne: no idea
[17:30] <IdleOne> thanks anyway