| Fudge | is anyone here using speakup in quantal | 03:17 |
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| Jagst3r15 | can someone whose testing 12.10 tell me what exactly the optiosn are on the login screen> | 04:27 |
| Jagst3r15 | is it gnome, unity, and unity 2d? | 04:27 |
| jbicha | Jagst3r15: it's the same as 11.10 or 12.04 LTS, only Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D by default | 04:40 |
| Jagst3r15 | jbicha i heard that GNOME was going to be added though> | 04:40 |
| Jagst3r15 | or i read that rather | 04:41 |
| jbicha | perhaps you read that there could be an official GNOME variant | 04:41 |
| Jagst3r15 | perhaps | 04:42 |
| jbicha | even still, GNOME Shell isn't being considered for inclusion in the default Ubuntu install any time soon | 04:43 |
| Jagst3r15 | this was from wikipedia "They are forecast to include an improved boot up sequence and log-in screen, dropping Unity 2D in favor of lower hardware requirements for Unity 3D, wrap around dialogs and toolbars for the HUD and a "vanilla" version of Gnome-Shell as an option." | 04:44 |
| Jagst3r15 | I assume that the forecast was not true then | 04:45 |
| jbicha | that's misleading, the Ubuntu project may have a GNOME flavor, but the main Ubuntu image will not | 04:46 |
| Jagst3r15 | ok thanks for clarifying :) | 04:46 |
| gRAVIty_ | can someone tell how I can do a USB install for ubuntu 12.10. The normal methods do not work because they dont yet support ubuntu 12.10 | 05:36 |
| gRAVIty_ | any one around? | 05:38 |
| ghostchick | yu | 05:38 |
| gRAVIty_ | ghostchick: can you help with the USB install? | 05:39 |
| gRAVIty_ | ghostchick: not able to do it with any of the sofwares | 05:40 |
| wilee-nilee | gRAVIty_, the way to get help is to be specific in the problems, and what you have tried. | 05:44 |
| wilee-nilee | you don't want the helper to have top ask you 50 questions | 05:45 |
| wilee-nilee | to* | 05:45 |
| gRAVIty_ | wilee-nilee: Thanks. I tried Unetbootin, Live USB, ghostchick | 05:45 |
| gRAVIty_ | ghostchick is helping me out privately. Thanks | 05:46 |
| wilee-nilee | cool graingert_ufo | 05:46 |
| wilee-nilee | gRAVIty_, | 05:46 |
| ghostchick | gRAVIty_, ghostchick is still not an usb installer name | 05:46 |
| dax | should just use dd :\ | 05:46 |
| gRAVIty_ | wilee-nilee: currently trying Lili | 05:46 |
| wilee-nilee | gRAVIty_, what happens when you have tried the others is it consistent? | 05:47 |
| ghostchick | dax, does it work with raw dd? | 05:47 |
| dax | should do, unless 12.10 broke something, which i doubt | 05:47 |
| dax | the desktop ISOs started being dd'able a few releases ago | 05:48 |
| wilee-nilee | some daily releases which is what I use ocasionaly don't boot. | 05:48 |
| gRAVIty_ | wilee-nilee: everything starts but at the end there is a line which say "stopping" and it gets stuck there | 05:48 |
| wilee-nilee | gRAVIty_, have you checked the md5sum of the ISO? | 05:48 |
| gRAVIty_ | wilee-nilee: no. how do I do that? I think Live USB did that automatically | 05:49 |
| gRAVIty_ | Linux live seems to be creating it on the USB. Let me see how that turns out? how do you guys install? | 05:50 |
| wilee-nilee | gRAVIty_, I have not seen a installer that checks the sum, although there may be some, but here is the wiki. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM/ | 05:51 |
| gRAVIty_ | checking that out | 05:51 |
| gRAVIty_ | ghostchick: did not work. Differnet message but it basically gets stuck and does not proceed further | 06:06 |
| gRAVIty_ | wilee-nilee:there? | 06:06 |
| ghostchick | gRAVIty_, did you installed any ubuntu before on the same computer7 | 06:09 |
| gRAVIty_ | ghostchick: I have 12.04 on this already | 06:09 |
| ghostchick | i wondered because of a possible nomodeset | 06:10 |
| gRAVIty_ | The problem is ethernet does not work on that. I have a x200 tablet. Bodhi-zazen suggest me to try this live | 06:10 |
| ghostchick | so dd or md5checksum | 06:10 |
| gRAVIty_ | The idea is that if this works I will update the kernel | 06:11 |
| gRAVIty_ | also | 06:11 |
| gRAVIty_ | i tried running virtual box | 06:11 |
| gRAVIty_ | it says cpu does not support it | 06:11 |
| gRAVIty_ | rather please use appropriate kernel for the cpu | 06:11 |
| gRAVIty_ | where do I find the ubuntuhash for 12.10 | 06:21 |
| dax | generally in the same directory that you downloaded the ISO from | 06:23 |
| gRAVIty_ | dax: found it. I was looking for one on net to compare | 06:26 |
| dax | no need, you can just check the GPG signature of the one on your download mirror :\ | 06:27 |
| dax | but w/e | 06:27 |
| gRAVIty_ | dax: I used winMD5sum and compared it one on net. problem solved. Can you help me with creating a live USB for 12.10? | 06:28 |
| gRAVIty_ | I tried, Unetbootin, LiveUSb LiLiUSb | 06:28 |
| dax | If you're on a Linux, sudo dd if=isofilename.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M. If you're on Windows, I have no idea. | 06:28 |
| gRAVIty_ | how is the USB drive specified? The X in sd? how do I find it? | 06:30 |
| dax | it should be in the output from `dmesg' when you plug it in, amongst other places | 06:36 |
| ghostchick | dax, he is on windows | 06:36 |
| gRAVIty_ | dax: thanks . rebooting into linux and doing it | 06:36 |
| * dax grins at ghostchick | 06:36 | |
| gRAVIty_ | ethernet does not work on linux 12.04 | 06:36 |
| gRAVIty_ | the one I have | 06:36 |
| ghostchick | proud of getting lucky to have the most linux friendly hardware , whatever the distribution | 06:37 |
| gRAVIty_ | ok see you guys :) | 06:37 |
| dax | ghostchick: same, all my stuff works out of the box, it's rather nice | 06:38 |
| ghostchick | yup, and my new netbook same, so for me all this hardware is fun to debug because i never suffered from it | 06:39 |
| gRAVIty_ | ghostchick: my headache your fun :) | 06:39 |
| gRAVIty_ | kidding. rebooting cya | 06:40 |
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| mwozniak00 | why in ubuntu 12.10 repo skype is in 2.2 version? The newest is 4.0... | 11:12 |
| MCR1 | Anyone here running Quantal with fglrx ? | 11:28 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 11:41 |
| ikonia | BluesKaj: what's your current view/status on the 12.10 kde stuff | 11:45 |
| ikonia | you're normally quite up to date with what you are running | 11:45 |
| BluesKaj | ikonia, so far so good , encountered only one segfault , but I couldn't reproduce it , there some dependency problems related to nvidia graphics , but that's a separate issue, and rellay the only one I've had to deal with lately . KDE is quite stable in other words | 11:47 |
| jpds | mwozniak00: Probably just hasn't been updated. | 11:48 |
| jpds | mwozniak00: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1013258 | 11:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1013258 in skype (Ubuntu) "Please update Skype to new upstream v.4.0" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 11:48 |
| ikonia | that's not bad, the nvidia dependencies don't concern me as that never settles down until later in the cycle | 11:48 |
| BluesKaj | ikonia, gotta admit 12.10 is surprisingly stable, especially at this stage | 11:50 |
| ikonia | yes, positive experiences are not common this early | 11:50 |
| ikonia | although I suspect a part of that is you know what you're doing/expecting | 11:50 |
| ikonia | rather than treating it as a production workstation and getting all upset when wine doesn't work properly | 11:51 |
| MCR1 | I am also impressed how well everything worx in 12.10. Top ! | 11:52 |
| BluesKaj | hehe , yeah well , I'm merely a home user and wine isn't installed , so fewer probs I guess | 11:52 |
| ikonia | BluesKaj: it was just an example, of the experience you see in here "hey I just installed 12.10, and now wine won't play WOW for me, this thing is junk !!!" | 11:54 |
| ikonia | rather than the more constructive view you've just expressed | 11:54 |
| BluesKaj | my expectations aren't as great as some gamer who wants to try the newest release with his fav game on the job :) | 11:56 |
| MCR1 | I got the boot time down to 17 seconds here (with multiple additional lenses and indicators) [on SSD] | 11:56 |
| * BluesKaj wonders about the write life of ssds | 12:00 | |
| BluesKaj | kernel upgrade waits in the wings ...bbaib , I hope | 12:20 |
| BluesKaj | well , the 3.5.0-3-generic kerenl installed ok , didn't break anything so far | 12:25 |
| BluesKaj | err kernel | 12:27 |
| Fudge | what logs can i look in to figure out if a kernel module is causing system freezes? | 13:11 |
| BluesKaj | Fudge, /var/log/syslog(s) | 13:16 |
| Fudge | jiffy_delta out of range, doesnt mean anything to me | 13:25 |
| Fudge | BluesKaj when i load speakup_soft module and then touch the numpad the system freezes | 13:25 |
| Fudge | the numpad becomes navigational keys for a screen reader to read back the window | 13:25 |
| Fudge | BluesKaj do u have a quantal machine you dont mind lockin gup? | 13:28 |
| BluesKaj | Fudge, ok , nvidia graphics ? if so there are some dependency problems if you don't use the nouveau driver | 13:29 |
| Fudge | BluesKaj i didnt mention graphics i dont think | 13:30 |
| Fudge | I have radeon | 13:30 |
| BluesKaj | no Fudge , but they might be affected by the screen reader | 13:30 |
| Fudge | BluesKaj i dont think so, speakup is a console screen reader | 13:32 |
| Fudge | i load a kernel module for software speech then bridge it with espeakup | 13:32 |
| Fudge | but even before loading espeakup if i were to push a key on the numpad the computer would freeze straight away | 13:33 |
| Fudge | how ever if i dont touch the numpad the screen reader works | 13:33 |
| BluesKaj | that's beyond my experience , Fudge , I have no clue | 13:34 |
| Fudge | im just not sure if anything is being logged or if a console msg comes up | 13:35 |
| Fudge | thats why i asked if you had a machine u could try an dload the module, its already in the kernel and try to reproduce | 13:35 |
| BluesKaj | fudge . which app is it | 13:37 |
| Fudge | modprobe speakup_soft start=1 | 13:37 |
| Fudge | push a key on your numpad like 5 for example which if a synth was loaded would make speakup read the current word | 13:38 |
| BluesKaj | no freeze here , Fudge | 13:41 |
| Fudge | oh | 13:42 |
| BluesKaj | I loaded the module | 13:42 |
| Fudge | maybe its something with my hardware then? | 13:42 |
| Fudge | and you hit some keys on numpad? | 13:42 |
| Fudge | did you parse start=1 also? | 13:42 |
| BluesKaj | yes | 13:43 |
| Fudge | well i guess thats a good thing | 13:43 |
| Fudge | ill try again with -s -v | 13:43 |
| Fudge | thank you BluesKaj | 13:43 |
| BluesKaj | Fudge, when i press any numberpad keys the run command dialog pops up with numbers in it | 13:44 |
| Fudge | how is that so BluesKaj , speakup only effects keymap in a console, not an X session | 13:47 |
| Fudge | i am using i tnow using the caps lock as a modifier which speakup supports with no problem | 13:47 |
| Fudge | but as soon as I touch any key on the numpad system freezes | 13:51 |
| BluesKaj | Fudge, espeakup wouldn't install ...dependency errors | 13:51 |
| Fudge | apt-get install -f fixes that usually, but neve rmind about that | 13:51 |
| Fudge | just dpkg -r it or something BluesKaj im pretty sure its the actual kernel modules | 13:52 |
| BluesKaj | no it it didn;t ..i tried it , sudo dpkg --configure -a didn't help either | 13:52 |
| Fudge | BluesKaj so you did log in to like tty1 and push numpad there mate? | 13:54 |
| BluesKaj | Fudge, no I didn't | 13:55 |
| Fudge | oh ok mate, that will more than likely reproduce it | 13:55 |
| BluesKaj | if the app woulkdn't install , I don't see how I can duplicate the actions , Fudge | 14:01 |
| Fudge | you dont need the app mate | 14:01 |
| Fudge | the kernel module does the work, all espeakup does is makes it available through a software synthisizer | 14:01 |
| Fudge | for me, as soon as i load the module and touch the numpad the system dies | 14:08 |
| BluesKaj | Fudge, had to repair a broken disk-file ...these errors: failed command Write DMA , buffer IO error dev sdg (my test hdd) ..that app is a big problem ...don't ask anyone else to try what I just did , they may not get out of the mess.:? | 14:21 |
| BluesKaj | :/ | 14:22 |
| ikonia | BluesKaj: do you log many of the bugs you find, or do you find most are fixed through natural resolution | 14:23 |
| BluesKaj | ikonia, natural resolution , do you mean like using the recovery kernel and repair broken packages dialog as I did in this case ? | 14:25 |
| BluesKaj | I should have known better , as well , but I do have 12.04 on my other disk. That speakup app is in a dangerous state IMO | 14:27 |
| Fudge | BluesKaj that does explain why after it happens to me why it doesnt boot straight back in, sorry you had trouble | 14:31 |
| Fudge | did you manage to figure anything out? | 14:31 |
| ikonia | BluesKaj: more like that are transition stuff that gets fixed as people know it's broken | 14:31 |
| ikonia | and it stablises as it matures | 14:32 |
| Fudge | BluesKaj this has been present since the first iso was available | 14:32 |
| Fudge | think 3.1.6 speakup | 14:32 |
| Fudge | should i file a bug against speakup? | 14:32 |
| BluesKaj | probly a good idea , Fudge | 14:34 |
| BluesKaj | i also removed the speakup_soft module , Fudge ..not taking any chances , in case I need to use the TTY and also need to use the numberpad there | 14:46 |
| Fudge | BluesKaj thankyou for confirming | 14:47 |
| BluesKaj | your welcome , Fudge | 14:47 |
| BluesKaj | you're welcome actaully | 14:47 |
| Fudge | :D | 14:48 |
| BluesKaj | anyway now you know :) | 14:48 |
| * Fudge nods | 14:48 | |
| Fudge | do u think recoery mode was because of the freeze? | 14:49 |
| Fudge | recovery | 14:49 |
| BluesKaj | are you using speakup due to visual problems , Fudge ? | 14:49 |
| Fudge | yes mate | 14:49 |
| Fudge | thats why i didnt know about the recovery console coming up | 14:50 |
| BluesKaj | no I chose the recovery kernel in order to repair a broken file that was preventing me from mounting the hdd | 14:52 |
| Fudge | oh right, do you recall what file? | 14:52 |
| BluesKaj | the error didn't specify , only that the wite to the DMA failed and the IO buffer errored on the HDD | 14:55 |
| Fudge | thanks | 14:56 |
| BluesKaj | and that error kept repeating in the TTY , with different error numbers , i had to do a hard reboot to get out of the TTY, even ctl+alt+delete wouldn't reboot the system | 14:57 |
| Fudge | bluebomber bug 1020608 | 14:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1020608 in speakup (Ubuntu) "When speakup_soft is loaded and the numpad is used the system freezes. This is not caused if the caps lock is used to review text how ever." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1020608 | 14:59 |
| Fudge | BluesKaj i mean | 14:59 |
| Fudge | im afraid i have not provided very much detail though | 14:59 |
| BluesKaj | Fudge, well it's enough ..most ppl don't like having to use the recovery kernel | 15:01 |
| Fudge | i woudlnt mijnd if i could read it, i'd learn laughing out loud | 15:01 |
| Fudge | mind | 15:02 |
| BluesKaj | that should get their attention :) | 15:02 |
| BluesKaj | the pastebin widget keeps launching a new instance of Firefox , rather than opening a new tab ..can't find any options in FF or pastebin to change that behaviour ...any ideas? | 15:25 |
| BluesKaj | this may not be the right channel to ask this | 15:28 |
| edgy | Hi, my xorg.0.log is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/1073281/, does this mean I have Nvidia working or not? | 15:44 |
| BluesKaj | edgy, run glxinfo | grep OpenGL | 15:48 |
| philinux | BluesKaj: he'd need to do this first sudo apt-get install mesa-utils | 15:52 |
| BluesKaj | philinux, yes and when he runs the command he'll receive that message , then he'll most likely install mesa-utils | 15:54 |
| edgy | OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation | 15:57 |
| edgy | OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GTX 560M/PCIe/SSE2 | 15:57 |
| edgy | OpenGL version string: 4.2.0 NVIDIA 302.17 | 15:57 |
| edgy | seems ok? | 15:57 |
| Daekdroom | Yes, it does. | 15:59 |
| edgy | thanks BluesKaj, Daekdroom | 16:26 |
| IdleOne | I'm getting WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! | 17:19 |
| dax | IdleOne: does it persist after running sudo apt-get update again? | 17:19 |
| IdleOne | should I be worried? no PPAs all the packages seem to be coming from my usual mirror | 17:20 |
| IdleOne | dax: good question | 17:20 |
| dax | (sometimes incomplete apt-get updates can cause that, depending on what does and doesn't get downloaded before it falls over) | 17:20 |
| IdleOne | running update again, will let you know | 17:20 |
| IdleOne | hmm, interesting. thanks for the tip :) | 17:21 |
| IdleOne | dax: No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already. Any clue how I make it write a error report? | 17:30 |
| dax | IdleOne: no idea | 17:30 |
| IdleOne | thanks anyway | 17:30 |
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