[03:17] is anyone here using speakup in quantal [04:27] can someone whose testing 12.10 tell me what exactly the optiosn are on the login screen> [04:27] is it gnome, unity, and unity 2d? [04:40] Jagst3r15: it's the same as 11.10 or 12.04 LTS, only Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D by default [04:40] jbicha i heard that GNOME was going to be added though> [04:41] or i read that rather [04:41] perhaps you read that there could be an official GNOME variant [04:42] perhaps [04:43] even still, GNOME Shell isn't being considered for inclusion in the default Ubuntu install any time soon [04:44] this was from wikipedia "They are forecast to include an improved boot up sequence and log-in screen, dropping Unity 2D in favor of lower hardware requirements for Unity 3D, wrap around dialogs and toolbars for the HUD and a "vanilla" version of Gnome-Shell as an option." [04:45] I assume that the forecast was not true then [04:46] that's misleading, the Ubuntu project may have a GNOME flavor, but the main Ubuntu image will not [04:46] ok thanks for clarifying :) [05:36] can someone tell how I can do a USB install for ubuntu 12.10. The normal methods do not work because they dont yet support ubuntu 12.10 [05:38] any one around? [05:38] yu [05:39] ghostchick: can you help with the USB install? [05:40] ghostchick: not able to do it with any of the sofwares [05:44] gRAVIty_, the way to get help is to be specific in the problems, and what you have tried. [05:45] you don't want the helper to have top ask you 50 questions [05:45] to* [05:45] wilee-nilee: Thanks. I tried Unetbootin, Live USB, ghostchick [05:46] ghostchick is helping me out privately. Thanks [05:46] cool graingert_ufo [05:46] gRAVIty_, [05:46] gRAVIty_, ghostchick is still not an usb installer name [05:46] should just use dd :\ [05:46] wilee-nilee: currently trying Lili [05:47] gRAVIty_, what happens when you have tried the others is it consistent? [05:47] dax, does it work with raw dd? [05:47] should do, unless 12.10 broke something, which i doubt [05:48] the desktop ISOs started being dd'able a few releases ago [05:48] some daily releases which is what I use ocasionaly don't boot. [05:48] wilee-nilee: everything starts but at the end there is a line which say "stopping" and it gets stuck there [05:48] gRAVIty_, have you checked the md5sum of the ISO? [05:49] wilee-nilee: no. how do I do that? I think Live USB did that automatically [05:50] Linux live seems to be creating it on the USB. Let me see how that turns out? how do you guys install? [05:51] gRAVIty_, I have not seen a installer that checks the sum, although there may be some, but here is the wiki. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM/ [05:51] checking that out [06:06] ghostchick: did not work. Differnet message but it basically gets stuck and does not proceed further [06:06] wilee-nilee:there? [06:09] gRAVIty_, did you installed any ubuntu before on the same computer7 [06:09] ghostchick: I have 12.04 on this already [06:10] i wondered because of a possible nomodeset [06:10] The problem is ethernet does not work on that. I have a x200 tablet. Bodhi-zazen suggest me to try this live [06:10] so dd or md5checksum [06:11] The idea is that if this works I will update the kernel [06:11] also [06:11] i tried running virtual box [06:11] it says cpu does not support it [06:11] rather please use appropriate kernel for the cpu [06:21] where do I find the ubuntuhash for 12.10 [06:23] generally in the same directory that you downloaded the ISO from [06:26] dax: found it. I was looking for one on net to compare [06:27] no need, you can just check the GPG signature of the one on your download mirror :\ [06:27] but w/e [06:28] dax: I used winMD5sum and compared it one on net. problem solved. Can you help me with creating a live USB for 12.10? [06:28] I tried, Unetbootin, LiveUSb LiLiUSb [06:28] If you're on a Linux, sudo dd if=isofilename.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M. If you're on Windows, I have no idea. [06:30] how is the USB drive specified? The X in sd? how do I find it? [06:36] it should be in the output from `dmesg' when you plug it in, amongst other places [06:36] dax, he is on windows [06:36] dax: thanks . rebooting into linux and doing it [06:36] * dax grins at ghostchick [06:36] ethernet does not work on linux 12.04 [06:36] the one I have [06:37] proud of getting lucky to have the most linux friendly hardware , whatever the distribution [06:37] ok see you guys :) [06:38] ghostchick: same, all my stuff works out of the box, it's rather nice [06:39] yup, and my new netbook same, so for me all this hardware is fun to debug because i never suffered from it [06:39] ghostchick: my headache your fun :) [06:40] kidding. rebooting cya === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:12] why in ubuntu 12.10 repo skype is in 2.2 version? The newest is 4.0... [11:28] Anyone here running Quantal with fglrx ? [11:41] Hi all [11:45] BluesKaj: what's your current view/status on the 12.10 kde stuff [11:45] you're normally quite up to date with what you are running [11:47] ikonia, so far so good , encountered only one segfault , but I couldn't reproduce it , there some dependency problems related to nvidia graphics , but that's a separate issue, and rellay the only one I've had to deal with lately . KDE is quite stable in other words [11:48] mwozniak00: Probably just hasn't been updated. [11:48] mwozniak00: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1013258 [11:48] Launchpad bug 1013258 in skype (Ubuntu) "Please update Skype to new upstream v.4.0" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [11:48] that's not bad, the nvidia dependencies don't concern me as that never settles down until later in the cycle [11:50] ikonia, gotta admit 12.10 is surprisingly stable, especially at this stage [11:50] yes, positive experiences are not common this early [11:50] although I suspect a part of that is you know what you're doing/expecting [11:51] rather than treating it as a production workstation and getting all upset when wine doesn't work properly [11:52] I am also impressed how well everything worx in 12.10. Top ! [11:52] hehe , yeah well , I'm merely a home user and wine isn't installed , so fewer probs I guess [11:54] BluesKaj: it was just an example, of the experience you see in here "hey I just installed 12.10, and now wine won't play WOW for me, this thing is junk !!!" [11:54] rather than the more constructive view you've just expressed [11:56] my expectations aren't as great as some gamer who wants to try the newest release with his fav game on the job :) [11:56] I got the boot time down to 17 seconds here (with multiple additional lenses and indicators) [on SSD] [12:00] * BluesKaj wonders about the write life of ssds [12:20] kernel upgrade waits in the wings ...bbaib , I hope [12:25] well , the 3.5.0-3-generic kerenl installed ok , didn't break anything so far [12:27] err kernel [13:11] what logs can i look in to figure out if a kernel module is causing system freezes? [13:16] Fudge, /var/log/syslog(s) [13:25] jiffy_delta out of range, doesnt mean anything to me [13:25] BluesKaj when i load speakup_soft module and then touch the numpad the system freezes [13:25] the numpad becomes navigational keys for a screen reader to read back the window [13:28] BluesKaj do u have a quantal machine you dont mind lockin gup? [13:29] Fudge, ok , nvidia graphics ? if so there are some dependency problems if you don't use the nouveau driver [13:30] BluesKaj i didnt mention graphics i dont think [13:30] I have radeon [13:30] no Fudge , but they might be affected by the screen reader [13:32] BluesKaj i dont think so, speakup is a console screen reader [13:32] i load a kernel module for software speech then bridge it with espeakup [13:33] but even before loading espeakup if i were to push a key on the numpad the computer would freeze straight away [13:33] how ever if i dont touch the numpad the screen reader works [13:34] that's beyond my experience , Fudge , I have no clue [13:35] im just not sure if anything is being logged or if a console msg comes up [13:35] thats why i asked if you had a machine u could try an dload the module, its already in the kernel and try to reproduce [13:37] fudge . which app is it [13:37] modprobe speakup_soft start=1 [13:38] push a key on your numpad like 5 for example which if a synth was loaded would make speakup read the current word [13:41] no freeze here , Fudge [13:42] oh [13:42] I loaded the module [13:42] maybe its something with my hardware then? [13:42] and you hit some keys on numpad? [13:42] did you parse start=1 also? [13:43] yes [13:43] well i guess thats a good thing [13:43] ill try again with -s -v [13:43] thank you BluesKaj [13:44] Fudge, when i press any numberpad keys the run command dialog pops up with numbers in it [13:47] how is that so BluesKaj , speakup only effects keymap in a console, not an X session [13:47] i am using i tnow using the caps lock as a modifier which speakup supports with no problem [13:51] but as soon as I touch any key on the numpad system freezes [13:51] Fudge, espeakup wouldn't install ...dependency errors [13:51] apt-get install -f fixes that usually, but neve rmind about that [13:52] just dpkg -r it or something BluesKaj im pretty sure its the actual kernel modules [13:52] no it it didn;t ..i tried it , sudo dpkg --configure -a didn't help either [13:54] BluesKaj so you did log in to like tty1 and push numpad there mate? [13:55] Fudge, no I didn't [13:55] oh ok mate, that will more than likely reproduce it [14:01] if the app woulkdn't install , I don't see how I can duplicate the actions , Fudge [14:01] you dont need the app mate [14:01] the kernel module does the work, all espeakup does is makes it available through a software synthisizer [14:08] for me, as soon as i load the module and touch the numpad the system dies [14:21] Fudge, had to repair a broken disk-file ...these errors: failed command Write DMA , buffer IO error dev sdg (my test hdd) ..that app is a big problem ...don't ask anyone else to try what I just did , they may not get out of the mess.:? [14:22] :/ [14:23] BluesKaj: do you log many of the bugs you find, or do you find most are fixed through natural resolution [14:25] ikonia, natural resolution , do you mean like using the recovery kernel and repair broken packages dialog as I did in this case ? [14:27] I should have known better , as well , but I do have 12.04 on my other disk. That speakup app is in a dangerous state IMO [14:31] BluesKaj that does explain why after it happens to me why it doesnt boot straight back in, sorry you had trouble [14:31] did you manage to figure anything out? [14:31] BluesKaj: more like that are transition stuff that gets fixed as people know it's broken [14:32] and it stablises as it matures [14:32] BluesKaj this has been present since the first iso was available [14:32] think 3.1.6 speakup [14:32] should i file a bug against speakup? [14:34] probly a good idea , Fudge [14:46] i also removed the speakup_soft module , Fudge ..not taking any chances , in case I need to use the TTY and also need to use the numberpad there [14:47] BluesKaj thankyou for confirming [14:47] your welcome , Fudge [14:47] you're welcome actaully [14:48] :D [14:48] anyway now you know :) [14:48] * Fudge nods [14:49] do u think recoery mode was because of the freeze? [14:49] recovery [14:49] are you using speakup due to visual problems , Fudge ? [14:49] yes mate [14:50] thats why i didnt know about the recovery console coming up [14:52] no I chose the recovery kernel in order to repair a broken file that was preventing me from mounting the hdd [14:52] oh right, do you recall what file? [14:55] the error didn't specify , only that the wite to the DMA failed and the IO buffer errored on the HDD [14:56] thanks [14:57] and that error kept repeating in the TTY , with different error numbers , i had to do a hard reboot to get out of the TTY, even ctl+alt+delete wouldn't reboot the system [14:59] bluebomber bug 1020608 [14:59] Launchpad bug 1020608 in speakup (Ubuntu) "When speakup_soft is loaded and the numpad is used the system freezes. This is not caused if the caps lock is used to review text how ever." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1020608 [14:59] BluesKaj i mean [14:59] im afraid i have not provided very much detail though [15:01] Fudge, well it's enough ..most ppl don't like having to use the recovery kernel [15:01] i woudlnt mijnd if i could read it, i'd learn laughing out loud [15:02] mind [15:02] that should get their attention :) [15:25] the pastebin widget keeps launching a new instance of Firefox , rather than opening a new tab ..can't find any options in FF or pastebin to change that behaviour ...any ideas? [15:28] this may not be the right channel to ask this [15:44] Hi, my xorg.0.log is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/1073281/, does this mean I have Nvidia working or not? [15:48] edgy, run glxinfo | grep OpenGL [15:52] BluesKaj: he'd need to do this first sudo apt-get install mesa-utils [15:54] philinux, yes and when he runs the command he'll receive that message , then he'll most likely install mesa-utils [15:57] OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation [15:57] OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GTX 560M/PCIe/SSE2 [15:57] OpenGL version string: 4.2.0 NVIDIA 302.17 [15:57] seems ok? [15:59] Yes, it does. [16:26] thanks BluesKaj, Daekdroom [17:19] I'm getting WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! [17:19] IdleOne: does it persist after running sudo apt-get update again? [17:20] should I be worried? no PPAs all the packages seem to be coming from my usual mirror [17:20] dax: good question [17:20] (sometimes incomplete apt-get updates can cause that, depending on what does and doesn't get downloaded before it falls over) [17:20] running update again, will let you know [17:21] hmm, interesting. thanks for the tip :) [17:30] dax: No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already. Any clue how I make it write a error report? [17:30] IdleOne: no idea [17:30] thanks anyway === Amaranthus is now known as Amaranth