[00:11] <The_Fred> hello
[00:11] <yothsoggoth> Hello
[00:11] <The_Fred> how goes it?
[00:12] <yothsoggoth> Good thanks, and yourself?
[00:12] <The_Fred> been busy,taking a break now
[00:12] <yothsoggoth> Busy at this time of night?
[00:13] <The_Fred> I launched an app, and now i have focus on the marketting...
[00:13] <The_Fred> yothsoggoth, yea, i dont sleep much
[00:13] <yothsoggoth> I see
[00:13]  * The_Fred looks and sees the usual suspects are logged in :)
[00:14] <The_Fred> yothsoggoth, winding down for the night?
[00:15] <yothsoggoth> Sort of, been fairly busy myself. I came across an old game engine I wrote when I was learning game programming a few years back and I'm fixing it up a little to release open-source and write some tutorials for it for beginner game programming
[00:16] <The_Fred> thats brilliant
[00:16] <The_Fred> what language?
[00:16] <yothsoggoth> C++
[00:16] <yothsoggoth> It's mainly just SDL-wrapping kind of stuff
[00:17] <The_Fred> i see
[00:17] <yothsoggoth> It's only for 2D stuff. I made it to follow the exact same layout as a 3D engine we used at university for learning that basics
[00:17] <The_Fred> i was thinking of doing a blender-game engine tutorial when i get (if ever) a chance... maybe I'll look into your efforts
[00:18] <The_Fred> 2d is still very usefull
[00:19] <yothsoggoth> That sounds quite interesting. I've been meaning to have a go with Blender and try and learn a few simple little tricks, never got around to it yet though.
[00:19] <The_Fred> for example im putting my script together for youtube video demo, and i will be using blender as 2d for flipping video on plane objects
[00:19] <The_Fred> blender can be a big distraction :)
[00:19] <yothsoggoth> Yeah, well I've always had a slight preference for 2D, so when we only had a 3D engine to work with at university, but I had some ideas of 2D games, I decided to write one that was almost identical to the engine they gave us, but 2D
[00:20] <The_Fred> is there much difference between 2/3d engine writing?
[00:20] <yothsoggoth> That sounds quite cool, I always hear that Blender is like a supertool, but when I installed it a few years back when I first heard of it, it looked very complicated and so it got pushed back on my list of things-to-look-into
[00:21] <The_Fred> sometimes i use it for mind mapping
[00:22] <yothsoggoth> There can be quite a big difference between 2/3D engine writing, but it's mainly just because 2D engine usually need only to display an image, whereas 3D engines need to do things like map textures to odd-shaped surfaces and such
[00:22] <The_Fred> there's lots of tutorials online, I just follow one which matches my version of blender and then change bits, then work through another tutorial....
[00:22] <The_Fred> i see
[00:23] <The_Fred> do you have a url and any tutorials for your work?
[00:24] <yothsoggoth> Not yet, I've just been working on adding the Doxygen markup into the comments of the code, haven't got round to writing any tutorials for it yet
[00:24] <The_Fred> do you have a blog that i could check up on at a later date?
[00:24] <Seeker`> yothsoggoth: Your name from Lovecraft?
[00:25] <yothsoggoth> http://www.robotgoblin.co.uk/ is my blog. Usually filled with beginner Linux and programming stuff, soon to have mentioned tutorials on there :)
[00:25] <The_Fred> hi Seeker`
[00:25] <Seeker`> hi
[00:25] <The_Fred> yothsoggoth, thanks, ive bookmarked that
[00:26] <yothsoggoth> Seeker`: Sort of, I believe the character in Lovecraft's work is Yog-Sothoth, Yoth Soggoth is from the game Stonekeep (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonekeep), but clearly based on Lovecraft's work.
[00:26] <yothsoggoth> The_Fred: Great :D
[00:27] <Seeker`> yothsoggoth: ah, cool :)
[00:27] <Azelphur> someone told me cleaning it would make it go faster https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33906036/gore.jpg
[00:29] <The_Fred> Azelphur, those can get gunky
[00:30] <Azelphur> indeed
[00:30] <Azelphur> gotta give em a good soaping.
[00:31] <The_Fred> I have to keep cleaning my laptop heatsink out every 2 months.... its fiddly and annoying
[00:32] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:32] <The_Fred> yothsoggoth, is it much hassle to setup a wordpress theme on a empty webhost?
[00:33] <The_Fred> Azelphur, i put it off until the drone of the fan being constant on drives me to it
[00:33] <yothsoggoth> The_Fred: It's pretty easy in my experience. Basically a case of uploading the wordpress files, creating a MySQL DB and going through a 5/10 minute setup procedure
[00:33] <The_Fred> ah, thats good to know
[00:33] <Azelphur> :)
[00:34] <soreau> Azelphur: surely that's not a real pic from you..
[00:34] <Azelphur> soreau: haha, just found it and thought it was funny ;)
[00:35] <soreau> Azelphur: yea, it is :)
[00:35] <The_Fred> oh noes!
[00:35] <The_Fred> powercut
[00:35] <soreau> Azelphur: The last time I did something crazy like that.. I resurrected a PS3 from Yellow Light of Death with my trust torch
[00:35]  * The_Fred goes to check the meter
[00:35] <soreau> The cpu and/or gpu needed a good reflowing ;)
[00:36] <soreau> trusty*
[00:36] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:36] <soreau> Some of the other chips got a little bubbling on top but it worked :)
[00:36] <Azelphur> :D
[00:41] <The_Fred> meh, it looks like the whole street has a powercut
[00:41] <The_Fred> event the street lights are out
[00:41] <The_Fred> *even
[00:49] <The_Fred> this could turn bad for me, its rain hard, and our drain pump is dead
[00:50] <The_Fred> last time i ended up with a foot of water in here :(
[00:51]  * The_Fred goes to put everything up on the worktops
[00:51] <shauno> house on a hill ftw
[00:52] <shauno> when all else fails, gravity still loves me
[06:00] <mattt> morning
[06:19] <popey> morning
[07:13] <diplo> Morning all
[07:19] <diplo> Some help from any python people
[07:19] <diplo> http://pastebin.com/nYn1gsDU
[07:19] <diplo> Basically running the unmount command on one site causes me these errors
[07:20] <diplo> Can't seem to trace the error if anyone can think of anything
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> it's taking too long for the thing you're calling to reply
[07:23] <diplo> yeah, that's what I thought, it's why I put a time.sleep in their
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> so either there's a lot of data to sync (but it should work with that) or it died trying to do your request
[07:23] <diplo> Maybe needs a little longer
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> your sleeping won't help -- it's the called party that's not responding (and generating a timeout _on the bus_)
[07:23] <diplo> yeah so it's doing a copy from hdd to usb pen drive
[07:24] <diplo> I was using the sleep after the copy to let the sync finish but that's not right then
[07:25] <diplo> I thought it wouldn't unmount because of it still trying to access something in some way
[07:25] <diplo> Any thoughts on what to try ?
[07:27] <diplo> brb
[07:30] <arsen> nexus 7 looks fun :>
[07:40] <MartijnVdS> isn't it just another 7" tablet?
[07:40] <arsen> well it is, but it seems well built and well specced
[07:41]  * MartijnVdS has a xoom
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> which will get Jelly Bean as well \o/
[07:41] <arsen> ah :)
[07:41] <arsen> im hesitant to own an ipad
[07:41] <arsen> but id like android on a tablet, would line up with what i want to do with it better i think. tv/films/ebooks/random sysadmin tasks etcetc
[07:42] <arsen> though with tv/films/video podcasts/audio podcasts/music i reckon 8/16gb isnt gona be enough :/
[07:45] <diplo> You wouldn;t use a tablet like that though, you just load it up with what you would like to watch/listen to on the trip you are on ?
[07:45] <arsen> i guess to some extent, i like to keep a float of content though for options
[07:46]  * popey hugs his ipad
[07:46] <arsen> ive always been the 'carry a 160gig ipod with all music i could ever need' kind aguy, rather than the 8gig option and flipping out music regularly.
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: freedom hater ;)
[07:46] <popey> but is also impatient for his android tablet to arrive
[07:46] <popey> MartijnVdS, you too!
[07:46] <arsen> popey  - dont, im trying my hardest not to get noe.
[07:46] <arsen> one*
[07:46] <popey> its only now that I'll consider android devices
[07:46] <arsen> i can save myself £300 with a nexus7 :p
[07:46] <popey> ipad is still better built than most
[07:46] <arsen> and yes, this would be the first time i'd consider them worthwhile
[07:47] <popey> and better customer support
[07:47] <popey> I had my broken ipad replaced out of warranty
[07:47] <popey> google have no clue how to do customer support
[07:47] <arsen> arh that reminds me, my ipod classic exploded :<
[07:47] <arsen> must be almost 3 years old i guess.
[07:49] <popey> my iriver ihp-140 is still soldiering on :D
[07:50] <arsen> mine just turned off mid podcast at a house party, nobody anywhere near it :( i may just buy an ipad but im desperately trying to pursuade myself the nexus7 may actually be the first reasonable android device
[07:50] <popey> whats the use case?
[07:50] <arsen> (without HD / Sd expansion)
[07:51] <popey> would you be watching the tv/film/books at home or work or on the road?
[07:51] <arsen> i used to always carry an 11" air, but now i dont need to (and dont have it anymore), so looking for mobile computing platform for entertainment when travelling/holidaying/infront of the TV
[07:52] <arsen> browsing/video|tv/ereading/email. for example im off to morocco in a few weeks, aside from any book i buy i have no techy toys for my trip! :<
[07:55] <arsen> i hope my iphone ssh app is better on the ipad.
[07:56] <arsen> off on a training course tomorrow too, which will likely be lots of downtime staring at the ceiling.
[08:19] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:21] <christel> morning clam
[08:22] <bigcalm> :D
[08:22] <czajkowski> good morning all
[08:22] <bigcalm> {}
[08:22] <bigcalm> Ello czajkowski
[08:22] <christel> morning pretty girl
[08:22] <czajkowski> christel: hello darling how's you
[08:22] <christel> i am well!
[08:23] <czajkowski> excellent
[08:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[08:34] <hoover_> morning lads
[08:43] <Twinkletoes> Morning
[08:46] <dwatkins> hello people
[08:46] <hoover_> how's life?
[08:47] <dwatkins> coffee++
[08:50] <arsen> good plan++
[08:52]  * bigcalm tickles popey
[08:57] <hoover_> hey biggie
[08:58] <bigcalm> Hiya hoovie
[08:59] <czajkowski> Join Mark Shuttleworth live on The Register today at 3pm UK talking about #Canonical & #ubuntu. Join here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/28/mark_shuttleworth_live_chat/
[09:19] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:22] <paulmellors> morning
[09:23] <brobostigon> morning paulmellors
[10:18] <davmor2> morning all
[10:18] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:25] <davmor2> hey bigcalm still no ics
[10:25] <bigcalm> Ho hum
[10:25] <bigcalm> We're in the 3rd quarter now
[10:29] <BigRedS> are you relying on a handset vendor for android updates?
[10:33] <bigcalm> Yes, we like to wait
[10:33] <BigRedS> haha
[10:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: I reckon on we get JB before ICS the way things are going,  the pdk that google is on about lets think which company do they now own so who would they use as lab rats
[10:45] <directhex> davmor2, nope, you'll get ICS when JB is in the wild.
[10:46] <davmor2> directhex: muhahahahahahaha
[10:57] <davmor2> meme time original vs updated cover== http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocdJvzFX1GE vs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMnukY8qbxU
[11:00] <popey> does iplayer not work on android devices?
[11:00] <brobostigon> depends if you have flash or not, but yes, it does work.
[11:01] <davmor2> popey: if it doesn't it's probably apples doing they have this hate hate relationship with android
[11:02] <brobostigon> and you need certain specific gpu chipsets, for flash in android.
[11:03] <arsen> do you have the non-3g ipad popey ? im wondering if not having GPS would bug me.
[11:03] <davmor2> popey: which phone
[11:03] <popey> its a tablet
[11:03] <popey> SmartQ T20
[11:03] <popey> I have installed flash
[11:03] <popey> arsen, i have wifi ipad
[11:04] <brobostigon> should work, if not, sometimes being slow, or unstable, depending on the device specs.
[11:05] <davmor2> popey: is there not an iplayer app?
[11:07] <popey> davmor2, there is, and when you open it, it takes you to the bbc website page saying "device not supported"
[11:08] <davmor2> popey: oh odd, is it on one specific video or all of them
[11:09] <popey> thats just opening the app
[11:09] <davmor2> popey: and with flash enabled have you gone directly to the site and clicked on desktop version if there is one?
[11:10] <popey> yes
[11:10] <davmor2> popey: failing that report it to the bbc and make them fix it :)
[11:11] <popey> now I remember why I dont like android
[11:11] <davmor2> popey: you just pick the wrong apps ;)
[11:11] <popey> ho ho ho
[11:12] <popey> its the single app i use most on ipad
[11:12] <popey> so i think it reasonable to try on android
[11:12] <davmor2> popey: you're meant to use popular things :)
[11:30] <BigRedS> is iplayer not popular?
[11:32] <Myrtti> if you have jellybean android, BBC is working on an update of the app
[11:39] <AlanBell> iplayer works for me on ICS on a galaxy S2, worked on the previous android too
[11:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: how many miles did you say the 407 had done? Find out when the cambelt was replaced. Peugeot quote 96,000 miles between changes. Might also want to ask about the water pump and tensioner at the same time
[11:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: 87,600 but the first thing I do with a new car is get all the belts change I had one go once and it's stupid expensive
[11:43] <bigcalm> I forget how far my car has been, but it's in the high 80s I think. Time to book it in for a replacement belt
[11:46] <Songtao> hello
[11:46] <Songtao> anyone know about this?
[11:47] <directhex> about what?
[11:47] <bigcalm> $this ?
[11:47] <Songtao> during installation ubuntu, after copying files, the slash screen dispeared, and install failed
[11:47] <popey> Myrtti, ics
[11:48]  * popey gives up and puts ubuntu on the tablet
[11:48] <Songtao> after copyiging files, choose location, username, and then the slash screen disappeared.
[11:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: it's not that expensive but the labour costs and if you have the engine that has the flywheel pully with locking bearing in it that might need replacing and that is expensive, iirc it's like £60 for the part and about £100 to fit it, but I think it got dropped after the 306 had it fail a few time
[11:50] <bigcalm> :(
[11:51] <BigRedS> Songtao: when the splash screen disappears, what appears in its place?
[11:51] <BigRedS> do you just get a blank desktop?
[11:51] <BigRedS> I think there's an install log in /va/log
[11:51] <Songtao> the splash screen disappears, and back to desktop
[11:51] <BigRedS> can't remember what it's called, but it'd be worth seeing what's in there
[11:52] <Songtao> cool, will go have a look thx
[11:54] <directhex> Songtao, what's the computer?
[11:56] <Songtao> very old computer, amd
[11:56] <Songtao> 2004 maybe
[12:01] <Songtao> there is somthing in syslog.
[12:01] <Songtao> exception dring installation:
[12:01] <Songtao> traceback :
[12:01] <Songtao> File "/usr/share/ubiquity/install.py", line 689 in <module> install.run()
[12:01] <Songtao> ...
[12:01] <Songtao> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/debconf.py", line 81, in comma
[12:01] <Songtao> status = int(status)
[12:01] <Songtao> Value Error: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ' '
[12:05] <Songtao> the same information like this one
[12:05] <Songtao> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/985354
[12:07] <Songtao> so no solutions yet, damn
[12:10] <BigRedS> Songtao: might be worth trying the alternative installer?
[12:10] <BigRedS> it's text based and a good deal less pretty, but works on a wider range of hardware
[12:11] <Songtao> ubuntu server version ?
[12:11] <BigRedS> No, it still installs a desktop
[12:12] <BigRedS> just doesn't have a liveCD first
[12:12] <Darael> I've got a system here, wanted to run KVM, but kvm-ok says the virtualisation extensions are available but disabled in BIOS.  Problem is, the BIOS configurator doesn't have any such option.  Can't find an updated BIOS, either.  Any ideas?
[12:12] <BigRedS> Songtao: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/alternative-downloads
[12:12] <BigRedS> see "Text-based installation"
[12:13] <Songtao> thanks a lot, save my day
[12:16] <directhex> Darael, HP?
[12:19] <Darael> directhex: Nope.  Small manufacturer, can't recall who.
[12:19] <directhex> Darael, and you're sure there's nothing in the BIOS? it's usually in the CPU section, where you can disable or enable NX and similar
[12:20] <directhex> Darael, my experience with HP was a core 2 desktop where the default BIOS didn't have that setting, I had to flash on a replacement "vPro" bios instead
[12:20] <Darael> directhex: I've scoured for it, though it's possible I've missed it.
[12:24] <dwatkins> Darael: I assume that the output of 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' doesn't show the relevant extension either
[12:24] <dwatkins> s/extension/flag/
[12:25] <Darael> dwatkins: vmx /is/ listed under Flags. I assume that's what I'm looking for, based on the output of kvm-ok, but if I'm wrong do tell me.
[12:26] <dwatkins> What kind of processor is it, Darael?
[12:26] <Darael> dwatkins: A Core 2 Duo, it looks like.  One moment...
[12:27] <dwatkins> ah, the flag just indicates the CPU supports it, so it should be possible to enable it in the BIOS.
[12:27] <Darael> That's what I thought.  Unfortunately I can't find the setting in the BIOS.
[12:28] <dwatkins> Darael: I can only think it might be worth trying VirtualBox to see what it sees the CPU is capable of.
[12:41] <davmor2> popey: I bet you can access iplayer too :D
[12:41] <popey> hah, what, now?
[12:45] <davmor2> popey: with ubuntu on you're tablet, even if it is the wrong language :)
[12:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: by the way next Thursday I'm not here, python training at linux emporium :)
[13:09] <DJones> popey: BBC iPlayer worked fine on my Transformer prime with ICS
[13:09] <Twinkletoes> I've jsut been asked to log into another user's mailbox and delete a mail sent by accident.  I don't feel comfortable with this.  Is there any reason I should not do it?
[13:10] <BigRedS> Personally, I'd not have a problem with doing that
[13:10] <arsen> who asked?
[13:10] <BigRedS> The doesn't mean you shouldn't
[13:10] <BigRedS> *that
[13:10] <Twinkletoes> The CFO asked
[13:10] <arsen> if you're requested to by your manager/senior management, then why not
[13:10] <arsen> could be doing them a huge favour, and saving stress on both sides.
[13:10] <Twinkletoes> arsen: Any data protection / privacy laws etc.?
[13:11] <DJones> Twinkletoes: Is the bosses name Bob Diamond by any chance
[13:11] <Twinkletoes> arsen: I agree, but it makes me feel uncomfortable
[13:11] <dogmatic69> Twinkletoes: if you got it in writing / email print it out and do it
[13:11] <ali1234> it really depends if you work for a huge company or not
[13:11] <Twinkletoes> DJones: haha - no :)
[13:11] <arsen> huge company then id be looking for more written confirmation
[13:11] <ali1234> if there's 3 people at the company then just do it
[13:11] <arsen> smaller id probably just do it, if someone board level is asking
[13:11] <BigRedS> There'd be no data protection or privacy laws if you're not reading anything, just deleting
[13:11] <Twinkletoes> I think I'll do it, but send them a cionfirmation that it's been done, and copy someone else in
[13:11] <ali1234> unless you hate the person who's asking you to do it
[13:11] <arsen> the chances are they've accidentally sent soemthing confidential that will oepn a can of worms if someone sees it
[13:11] <ali1234> then you delay it :)
[13:12] <arsen> dont mention teh subject or the content
[13:12] <DJones> Twinkletoes: I'd make sure you get something in writing from whoever asked you to delete as well
[13:12] <arsen> just track it against the message ID or something
[13:12] <Twinkletoes> DJones: oki
[13:12] <Twinkletoes> thanks folks :)
[13:12] <arsen> "as requested ive deleted the email received at <blah time> with message ID <blah>"
[13:12] <arsen> then youre following orders but leaving a trail if all goes pear shaped.
[13:13] <Twinkletoes> Yup
[13:13] <Twinkletoes> It's a pain in the arse... Office 365... Iv'e got to give myself permission to the user's mailbox, remove teh offending mail, then remove my permission again
[13:13] <ali1234> the problem is how do you know f the person received it?
[13:13] <Twinkletoes> ali1234: They're in a timezone 12 hours apart
[13:13] <Twinkletoes> They should be fast asleep
[13:13] <ali1234> that doesn't mean it takes 12 hours to send an emai :)
[13:13] <arsen> though if it were me, id read it.
[13:13] <arsen> :D#
[13:14] <arsen> theres something in there they shouldnt be emailing around, if you know you can handle something htat might upset you you may be in a stronger position knowing it :P
[13:14] <ali1234> if you didn't try to delete it, at least you would know they read it
[13:14] <ali1234> where as now it's going to be really awkward ifthose people meet
[13:14] <ali1234> and A will never know if B read it or not, but can't ask
[13:15] <ali1234> because if they didn't read it, asking would give it away?
[13:21] <Twinkletoes> The deed is done... it was flagged as unread (although no guarantee).  I've sent the confirmation to the requester and my direct boss, and if the sh*t hits the fan, then I'm covered.
[13:21] <Twinkletoes> Tempted as I was, I didn't read the email :)
[13:21] <ali1234> i definitely would have read it :)
[13:24] <popey> davmor2, http://ubuntuone.com/4LM2nHyscB0tVSlD4J79Cv what should I click? :)
[13:25] <Twinkletoes> popey: holy cr*p - that looks a mess
[13:26] <popey> it does?
[13:26] <popey> looks chinese to me
[13:26] <ali1234> try pointing google goggles at it, it should translate it for you
[13:27] <davmor2> popey: copy the button text into google translate :)
[13:27] <popey> lol
[13:28] <Laney> go ask in #ubuntu-cn :-)
[13:28] <popey> heh
[13:28] <popey> no google goggles on iphone :(
[13:28] <davmor2> popey: 5 seconds
[13:28]  * Laney just joined there. Scary characters on my screen...
[13:30]  * AlanBell used to support people in Japanese
[13:30] <andatche> how is the documentation for upstart *still* so incomplete?! :(
[13:30] <andatche> most frustraiting
[13:33]  * popey still has this dialog on the screen, wondering what button to tap
[13:33] <gord> press the one on the right
[13:34] <popey> i was leaning towards that one too
[13:34] <gord> whats the worst that can happen?
[13:34] <gord> its probably not a format your computer dialog
[13:34] <gord> probably
[13:35] <popey> close
[13:35] <popey> apport popped up
[13:35] <gord> i have lots of experience playing japanese import games, randomly clicking around until i find the play game button is my specialty
[13:35] <gord> never figured out how to play tokyo bus driver though...
[13:37] <DJones> popey: You could ask bazhang in -irc
[13:38] <DJones> Ready for next time it happens
[13:40] <popey> thanks
[13:40] <SuperMatt> I like the new software updater in quantal
[13:40] <SuperMatt> it's an awful lot nicer
[13:42] <davmor2> popey: word lens on iphone
[13:42] <popey> SuperMatt, i hate the name
[13:43] <SuperMatt> software updater? I guess it does feel a little cumbersome
[13:43] <SuperMatt> I can't for the life of me think of a better name right now though :/
[13:43] <popey> Makebetterer
[13:44] <SuperMatt> software fixer-upper
[13:45] <popey> erer
[13:46] <SuperMatt> app patcher...
[13:47] <Laney> Woeaway
[13:47] <Laney> Bugbegone
[13:49] <SuperMatt> system updater might be better
[13:49] <popey> lies
[13:50] <SuperMatt> I'm not lying!
[13:51]  * SuperMatt spies reddit.com/r/ubuntu/new and thinks he knows why popey has been changing his language settings
[13:51] <popey> hmm>
[13:54] <SuperMatt> I know that r/ubuntu isn't supposed to be for help, but I don't know why no one has created a subreddit. Ubuntu news doesn't happen anywhere near as often as ubuntu problems
[13:54] <BigRedS> Because there's already half a billion other places to ask for Ubuntu help and what's needed isn't more of them?
[13:54] <SuperMatt> a fair point
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> Has anyone been here: http://www.minack.com/ ?
[13:55] <bigcalm> davmor2: ta, noted
[14:04] <diplo> MartijnVdS: Not attended a show there, but seen/been there yes
[14:04] <diplo> not for a long while though
[14:29] <diplo> Does anyone know of a way in Python to check whether a usb device is still syncing/written to ?
[14:30] <diplo> My google foo is sucking once again
[14:30] <diplo> And my python skills are non existent tbh
[14:36] <bigcalm> diplo: eventually got Hayley's Wildfire sorted. Had to use both windows and linux to finish the job
[14:36] <diplo> :/
[14:36] <diplo> Took me two hours, so anywhere around their I'd say is not to bad
[14:36] <diplo> Good work though
[14:36] <bigcalm> Heh, ta
[14:37] <bigcalm> Sadly Hayley thinks it's ugly
[14:37] <bigcalm> I need to make it more friendly to her
[14:37] <diplo> Cyagen?
[14:37] <bigcalm> CM, aye
[14:37] <diplo> She liked Sense I guess ?
[14:37] <bigcalm> diplo: it's what she was used to
[14:38] <diplo> She noticed any speed improvements though ?
[14:40] <bigcalm> Not sure, she's only had it half a day so far
[14:40] <diplo> oh :)
[14:40] <bigcalm> I noticed it :)
[14:40] <diplo> Battery defo lasts a fair bit longer as well
[14:40] <gord> would you notice it if you didn't know about it though i wonder
[14:41] <diplo> Did you upgrade the GPS bigcalm ?
[14:41] <bigcalm> diplo: no, forgot about that
[14:41] <diplo> gord: On this phone, yeah... was a tad rubbish
[14:41] <bigcalm> diplo: will have a look later
[14:41] <diplo> Probably still on my sd card if you get stuck finding it.
[14:41] <diplo> Test it first,  yours may be ok
[14:41] <bigcalm> Indeed
[14:42] <diplo> I didn't notice mine till a few days later when Endomondo wasn't doing my bike rides/wa;ls
[14:42] <diplo> walks*
[14:42] <dwatkins> Copying 21.4 GB: time remaining: 6 hours 30 minutes *restarts Samba* ... time remaining: 9 minutes
[14:42] <diplo> lol
[14:43] <diplo> Was about to say dwatkins, I'm doing similar to usb stick and that's starting to wear me out
[14:43] <dwatkins> it's fluctuating a lot, probably because Windows 7 can't handle the data throughput ;)
[14:46] <Songtao> how to remote access ubuntu  desktop
[14:46] <Songtao> tried enable remote sharing, not works
[14:46] <dwatkins> What kind of remote access, Songtao?
[14:47] <Songtao> en.. full control the desktop
[14:47] <dwatkins> There are various ways, if you want to take control of the existing desktop you can use x11vnc, or for a virtual session there's NX, tightvnc and xdmcp
[14:48] <Songtao> I have tried desktop sharing, and using remote desktop viewer, which is give error, connection closed
[14:49] <dwatkins> I assume the relevant port was open, not firewalled etc.
[14:49] <Songtao> I am new to ubuntu, which way is easy? I had a ubuntu desktop 12.04, I need user can access it remotely from diffrent pc, windows and ubuntu
[14:50] <Songtao> yea, I had full control of that system, can open any port
[14:50] <dwatkins> are the two systems on the same subnet, though?
[14:51] <Songtao> yes
[14:51] <Songtao> all internal network
[14:51] <dwatkins> what client did you use to connect? I suspect you activated VNC, in which case you'll need a VNC viewer, not the RDP viewer in Windows.
[14:52] <dwatkins> http://www.debianadmin.com/images/rds/5.png  is what I assume you're activating
[14:52] <Songtao> I m using remote desktop viewer which I can choose using vnc or rdp,
[14:53] <Songtao> yes
[14:53] <Songtao> without tick the "Ask you for confirmation",
[14:54] <Songtao> but when I try to remote access it, it will success at the beginning, but few seconds, it will show me error, connection closed
[14:55] <dwatkins> I guess you would have to check the logfile to see why. Sorry, but I've not used this myself.
[14:55] <Songtao> thanks a lot, I will do that,
[15:34] <DJones> Argh. Just had no internet connection for 90 minutes, boss rang broadband supplier, got nowhere, boss rang IT support, IT support rang broadband supplier, broadband supplier ran line tests with no errors, boss checked router, broadband supplier said they'd contact BT to get a full line investigation, 90 minutes later I wander in, take the RJ11 cable out of the RJ45 socket & put it in the right hole.......Argh again
[15:35] <czajkowski> DJones: having a fun day are you :)
[15:36] <diplo> lol DJones
[15:36] <diplo> So glad i don't deal with that
[15:37] <dwatkins> DJones: did the cleaner unplug it for the vacuum cleaner? ;)
[15:38] <DJones> I wouldn't mind, I don't deal with it....its not my job, I just pick up the pieces afterwards
[15:38] <dwatkins> sounds like my job
[15:38] <bigcalm> DJones: why was an rj11 jack in an rj45 socket?
[15:38] <DJones> dwatkins: Nope, admin clerk connecting the franking machine to put some money on it
[15:38] <DJones> bigcalm: Dumb stupidity
[15:38] <bigcalm> Yay
[15:39] <bigcalm> They all look alike :)
[15:39] <diplo> That's what i meant DJones, I used to have to deal with that on the side, but not at all anymore
[15:43] <arsen> DJones  and how was it moved? :p
[15:49] <gord> wow, left my laptop on the couch and thunderbird decided to sit there constantly checking mail at 80% cpu time. couch is a bit warm now
[15:54] <DJones> arsen: Nobody is admitting to it, I have a list of suspects that can be counted on two fingers though
[15:55] <bigcalm> \/
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> DJones: so.. 4? :)
[16:05] <SuperMatt> it occurs to me that there is an issue with the software updater/updating in linux in general. I've just had the updater ask me if I wanted to keep/replace/merge my dhclient.conf file. This is all very well, but users don't always know what is the right thing to do in these situations. Is it possible that if this is the case that it gives the option to make a backup of the original file/put the package maintainer ver
[16:06] <SuperMatt> that is, if I wish to keep my version, the package maintainer version is kept somewhere I can find it later
[16:07] <dogmatic69> SuperMatt: I just had the same, but no option for merge
[16:07] <dogmatic69> was the gnome defaults config
[16:08] <SuperMatt> I wasn't sure if merge popped up in mine
[16:08] <dogmatic69> ended up taking the new one, so lost my customisations
[16:08] <SuperMatt> in this instance, I knew that changing dhclients wouldn't cause an issue, but I'm often asked if I want my copy of grub.conf or the maintainer's one and that's where scary shit happens
[16:08] <SuperMatt> oops, I swore again
[16:08] <SuperMatt> sorry
[16:09] <dogmatic69> yep, do you stick with what works and risk a backwards compatibility issue, or loose your settings for nothing
[16:10] <SuperMatt> what if you keep your config and it breaks everything, or if you use the package maintainer version and you're missing a tweak that breaks everything
[16:10] <SuperMatt> it's a minefield
[16:10] <dogmatic69> ye
[16:10] <dogmatic69> I have had cherokee server wipe all my vhosts because of this, not too much fun
[16:11] <dogmatic69> and if you dont take the new config there is a good chance you will be missing something that makes it work
[16:11] <SuperMatt> and I don't know if we can have large scale adaptation unless we can come up with a solution that works
[16:12] <SuperMatt> not adaptation, adoption
[16:12] <dogmatic69> ubuntu could handle this, eg make backups of everything first
[16:12] <SuperMatt> well, I wonder if it's possible to put in place a section in the boot loader that knows how to copy good config files back
[16:13] <dogmatic69> if you have the new clean + old modified + merge at least you could work it out if something goes wrong
[16:13]  * SuperMatt nods
[16:14] <Laney> dpkg keeps the old/new version of the file
[16:14] <Laney> /path/to/config-file.dpkg-{old,new}
[16:14] <SuperMatt> I see
[16:14] <SuperMatt> useful
[16:14] <dogmatic69> Laney: does not help for apt-get though?
[16:15] <Laney> why not?
[16:15] <dogmatic69> never seen them before
[16:15] <SuperMatt> but here's the thing: will a home user know that it's there and know what to do with it?
[16:15] <Laney> what are home users doing messing around in /etc?
[16:16] <dogmatic69> Laney: home users update software
[16:16] <SuperMatt> unfortunately, you never know
[16:16] <dogmatic69> that is the whole point, updates break things
[16:16] <SuperMatt> they may have had to tweak something to get ubuntu working on their pc
[16:16] <Laney> it doesn't (modulo bugs) prompt if you haven't changed the file
[16:16] <Laney> and if you have then you need to know how to resolve the differences
[16:18] <dogmatic69> Laney: sometimes the gui changes configs and the user would not know wtf a diff is
[17:23] <jacobw> evening
[17:24] <dogmatic69> sup
[17:25] <jacobw> up is merely a gravity dependent intuition
[17:25] <jacobw> in an avalanche, that'd be a confusing question
[17:25]  * jacobw is not in avalanche
[17:25] <jacobw> i'm well, yourself dogmatic69 ?
[17:26] <dogmatic69> not bad, finally have a *working* BT infinity connection so less frustrated
[17:28] <dwatkins> I would define 'up' as subjective.
[17:32] <AlanBell> it is a bit of a geocentric concept
[17:38] <christel> AlanBell: did alan find his cake? :)
[17:39] <AlanBell> he did indeed
[17:40] <AlanBell> I think he tweeted some pictures
[17:40] <christel> excellent!
[17:40] <AlanBell> https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer
[17:42] <christel> \o/
[17:50] <dogmatic69> this sucks http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5978861022?page=1
[17:52] <ali1234> fail
[17:52] <ali1234> several impartial observers could not reproduce
[17:52] <ali1234> only a couple of people actually got banned
[17:52] <ali1234> conclusion: they actually were cheating
[17:53] <dogmatic69> the thought crossed my mind
[17:53] <Azelphur> yea, I'm not banned from D3
[17:53] <dogmatic69> its bad press for linux though :/
[17:53] <ali1234> not really
[17:53] <Azelphur> not really, the main place where everyone hit it from is reddit
[17:53] <ali1234> it's bad press for blizzard
[17:53] <Azelphur> and reddit people figured out it was bullshit
[17:53] <Azelphur> so, pretty much everyone knows it's bs now
[17:54] <ali1234> except that blizzard have already stated that they don't ban liux
[17:54] <ali1234> EVE is better anyway
[17:54] <ali1234> they unnofficially officially support linux
[17:54] <dogmatic69> ali1234: ye, but say some person had thought about linux/ubuntu likes gaming and was on the fence. hear about wine and swinging for linux. see this, back to windows
[17:54] <ali1234> if you look in there change logs you see loads of "fix for unsupported OS"
[17:55] <dogmatic69> hehe
[17:55] <ali1234> diablo sucks, seriously. it's the most boring game i've ever played
[17:55] <dogmatic69> click, click, hold... click, click, hold...
[17:55] <ali1234> i don't even know why they made a new one
[17:56] <dogmatic69> I played the first and second, was pretty good but does get lame after some time
[17:56] <ali1234> also i don't care if people who can't be bothered to do even a tiny bit of research don't use linux
[17:56] <dogmatic69> its not a play for years type game
[17:56] <ali1234> this is a win-win situation as far as i am concerned
[17:56] <dogmatic69> lol
[17:57] <ali1234> because if they decide not to use linux that's one thing
[17:57] <ali1234> but if they decide to use it, think how much more damage they could do
[17:57] <ali1234> when they start writing misinformed "guides" etc
[17:57] <dogmatic69> like all the lame users using windows?
[17:58] <dogmatic69> that did windows a lot of damage..
[17:58] <dogmatic69> and dont even get me started on php "guides"
[18:22] <directhex> http://blogs.unity3d.com/2012/07/03/linux-publishing-preview-what-how-and-wherefore-3/
[18:24] <directhex> important side note: the basic version of Unity3D is gratis, and the basic version includes Linux export (or will when 4.0 ships)
[18:24] <AlanBell> but doesn't run on Linux right?
[18:26] <directhex> AlanBell: the IDE does not, no. the games need to be built on windows or mac, then exported to linux
[18:26] <directhex> with 4.0 anyway
[18:27] <directhex> AlanBell: it's still a dramatically lower barrier to entry for producing decent 3d games than we've had previously
[18:33] <AlanBell> is it the same kind of thing as crystalspace 3d?
[18:35] <directhex> crystalspace just seems to provide the engine, but no editor?
[18:37] <ali1234> it's more like the blender game engine, except good
[18:38] <directhex> yeah, that's a good comparison
[18:38] <AlanBell> crystalspace is related to blender somehow
[18:39] <ali1234> i'm not really sure why you would want something like that unless you were making a highly derivative game where all the logic was done for you, and you just drop in your own graphics
[18:39] <AlanBell> it all looks a bit complicated
[18:39] <ali1234> but there you go
[18:40] <directhex> unity3d is Big in mobile. with a capital B.
[18:41] <directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94Hn1XhyWB0 was a fairly high profile PC project made with Unity a couple of years ago. Nowadays it's all about kickstarter, a huge percentage of games on Kickstarter are using Unity3D
[18:42] <directhex> wasteland 2 being the most high profile, with a 7 figure budget
[18:44] <ali1234> so how do i make a game with this then?>
[18:45] <directhex> assuming an unspoken "for linux", you start by waiting for 4.0 to be released
[18:46] <ali1234> no, just for anything
[18:47] <directhex> http://unity3d.com/unity/download/ ?
[18:48] <ali1234> i don't understand how you make a game using a drag and drop editor
[18:49] <davmor2> ali1234: by dragging and dropping D'oh ;)
[18:49] <ali1234> that would just result in a static scene, maybe with some fixed animations
[18:49] <ali1234> i don't understand how you go from that, to a game
[18:50] <directhex> i'm not sure how it's any different from unrealengine in that regard
[18:50] <ali1234> i don't know how to use that either
[18:51] <directhex> start with http://catlikecoding.com/unity/tutorials/ then use http://unity3d.com/support/resources/tutorials/
[18:51] <davmor2> ali1234: in software center now on i386 you and install illuminations that will make an app from drag and drop stuff
[18:53] <diplo> Evening all
[18:53] <directhex> seems it ships with buckets of sample projects too
[18:55] <directhex> funnily enough, they hit upon the trick to this kind of product: an integrated store for buying assets (e.g. pre-made selections of crates) and the ability to sell your own assets in that store. it's cited by unity devs as one of their biggest factors in using it
[18:56] <davmor2> directhex: I bet there is fair money to be made just awaiting requests to make assets
[18:56] <ali1234> does it support run time mesh generation?
[18:56] <ali1234> eg bezier surfaces etc
[19:08] <directhex> ali1234: looks like the included samples are *really* comprehensive
[19:09] <directhex> and there's http://docs.unity3d.com/Documentation/Manual/UnityBasics.html
[20:45] <bigcalm> Beep
[21:58] <ali1234> hmmmmmmmmm so i found out why the SGS crashes so much
[21:58] <ali1234> it's something to do with t-mobile and orange
[22:06] <ali1234> what's the difference between "data roaming" and "national data roaming"
[22:14] <directhex> ehm..... technically, or practically?
[22:14] <directhex> because the answer i give has an "except for orange/t-mobile who implement this wrong"
[22:19] <czajkowski> directhex: aren't you a new dad?
[22:19] <directhex> czajkowski: yes
[22:20] <czajkowski> directhex: that's what I thought, didn't expect to see you on here so late
[22:20] <czajkowski> hows the little un
[22:20] <directhex> he only just settled down for bed, so i should be going to bed too
[22:39] <popeydroid> Wheeee