[00:15] I won't let weatherbug touch anything I control [00:15] the original versions had spyware [00:15] can't trust it [00:18] oh : "... but I use Ant, because I'm old." and then I thought about when java came out how it was bullshit compaired to c++ and its still is [00:33] Ant is great if you're building Java packages [00:33] because using it for anything else is pretty much bullshit [00:33] what was wrong with make? [00:34] I remember one time a Java developer showed me why Ant was good for Java, as opposed to make [00:34] and it made sense at the time [00:34] that was over 5 years ago, and I have forgotten why [00:34] I think there was some built-in stuff to make building jar files nicer or something [00:35] isn't it just a zipfile [00:35] dunno [00:35] never tried making one myself [00:35] i hate java [00:36] It's a zip file with a manifest and metadata out the ass. [00:36] better languages and better compiles, instead we make stupid language and a virtual machine [00:37] like , c++ wasn't the answer I agree ... so why in reaction to it was another language created mostly based off it? [00:37] but without its powerful features [00:37] I come not to praise Java [00:37] no no no haha sorry [00:37] i'm going to get a beer [00:38] good call [00:38] you know the berkley front? [00:38] nope [00:38] ah [00:45] http://www.webmonkey.com/2012/07/its-time-build-a-twitter-free-twitter/ [00:54] I bet my makefile would try to sudo install sudo [02:23] rick_h_: share with me your xmonad or awesome config [02:23] I am feeling rambunctious [02:23] jcastro: k, sec [02:33] huhwha? [02:33] lol [02:34] jcastro: You're obviously drunk. Best go to bed and sleep it off before you do something crazy [02:34] like set awesome as your default window manager. [02:35] I'm calling an intervention. [03:05] may i join in the java bashing? [03:40] very cool http://blog.nonuby.com/blog/2012/07/02/what-happens-when-you-push-to-heroku/ [10:22] They've fired off the warning sirens [10:23] snap-l: For squeekyhoho http://www.sheldoncomics.com/ [10:23] Warning sirens? [10:23] Yeah, the formerly tornado sirens [10:24] snap-l: yea, was just trying to figure out if that means they spotted something or what [10:25] There's a line of storms approaching [10:25] Oh, weird we had nothing. It came from the North [10:25] rick_h_: YOu're probably OK in your basement [10:25] It's going to be north of us [10:26] snap-l: yea, but the wife is afraid with the boy [10:26] Um, actually, they're building up [10:27] I'm worried about JoDee driving in them. [10:27] and then me driving in them. :) [10:27] http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?product=N0R&rid=DTX&loop=yes [10:29] http://shop.oreilly.com/category/deals/best-of-oreilly-dotd.do?code=DEAL&imm_mid=08dc37&cmp=em-npa-books-videos-best-of-dotd-direct [10:31] rick_h_: I also checked the weather in Portland [10:31] :) [10:32] THey have a severe hippie advisory in effect until the end of time [10:32] yea, they've got a rough spell this weekend of 83 [10:32] patches of pot smoke mixed with patchouli [10:32] lol [10:32] and a severe case of the munchies [10:33] Recommend folks stay indoors and listen to "Angel of Death" by Slayer [10:37] man, just really impressed with the stuff this guy's got going for an open source version of heroku http://goo.gl/pKvBc [10:37] looking forward to see where it goes [10:55] AWS outage summary for some good reading. http://goo.gl/3sE5z [11:00] Seems every problem in the datacenter begins with "backup generator" [11:01] It has to be hard to actually test them in real circumstances [11:01] lol and then "abnormally large post recovery requests" [11:02] ie: a network outage is not just yanking the ethernet cable [11:11] well that storm went through quickly...thanks for waking me up too dippy early ugh [11:47] heh, this is kind of cool http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4193185 [12:20] morning [13:20] if that openroku stays heroku compat, and we are able to spin up our own openroku instances on servers in my datacenter... ZOMG... I'll be so happy [13:21] jrwren: yea, seems they're working that way that you even use the heroku cli tools [13:27] rick_h_: omg, awesome. [13:38] Hello [13:38] party [13:38] Not really. :) [13:41] Not sure if it's a full-on power outage, or just the network === snap-exile1 is now known as snap-exile [13:48] anyone tried this out yet: http://awesomium.com/ [13:51] What's so awesome about a webkit wrapper? [13:51] Milyardo: Thank you, I thought I was the only one. [13:54] PainBank: Defend yourself. ;) [13:54] Milyardo: cause it's webkit [13:54] blah [13:54] Milyardo: and did I say it was awesome? [13:54] ;0 [13:54] It said so in the URL [13:54] ^ [13:55] I mean, if we can't trust the URL, what can we trust? [13:55] and being able to use HTML to create my UI has potential. [13:55] the republican party.... [13:55] or was that the dems? [13:56] I think I heard something about using HTML to solve UI problems [13:56] or was that regex? [13:56] supposed to be easy [13:56] could've been regex... it's faster [13:56] regex is pretty slow in most implementations [13:57] no, it's fast, cause you can write just one line of code == fast [13:57] actually, I think that awesomium is sweet. [13:57] if python had that you could make stand alone python apps with nice gui. [13:57] jrwren: have you tried it yet though? [13:57] none of that GTK, TK, QT... er wait... 2 of those 3 are ok. [13:58] no, i don't write gui apss anymore [14:00] I'm always leerie of frameworks that are "free for non-commercial use"... [14:00] sure [14:00] Without an open source license from the start, they can always change the rules once you've adopted it. [14:01] ... at which point you're stuck. [14:01] http://awesomium.codeplex.com/ [14:01] haha [14:03] your always stuck when you choose to go with any sort of framework or library [14:03] stuck with what they implement, unless you take it and run with it. Of course OSS gives you that ability to go farther than closed. [14:04] True, with an open source framework you're only limited by technical issues. With a commercial framework you're potentially limited by them changing the licensing rules at will. [14:05] Next week they can decide the lower limit for free commercial use is 10K, and the licensing cost is 20K. [14:06] Oh, and it's a license that is not GPL compatible, which means even if you're an open source developer you cannot leverage any other GPL code. [14:06] Yeah, I wouldn't touch any code like that that wasn't OSS [14:06] In some ways it's the worst of both worlds: open source developers won't use it because they cannot use other GPL components in the same application. closed source developers won't use it because the licensing terms are susceptible to change at a moments notice. [14:07] Apparently we're having a brown-out at home. [14:07] that is where you are wrong. [14:07] closed source devs can use it if they choose. and they can get company lock in for terms too. [14:07] I might consider using it in a closed source application, but would have to secure a separate license because the license they offer doesn't provide any real protection. [14:08] rick_h__: having connectivity troubles? [14:08] snap-exile: no, trying to solarize my irssi theme [14:08] Ah [14:08] so tweaking theme/quit/reload [14:08] solarize all the things. [14:08] going to try it out [14:08] PainBank: agreed, if I were using this for commercial I would have to take the time to secure a real license, because the license as-is unfortunately is pretty crappy. [14:08] kind of a pita tbh [14:08] Yeah, I never got into the IRC themeing [14:09] well I changed my terminal and so irc was unreadable because it was meant for a dark theme [14:09] since I can't do the solarized dark, only light [14:09] seemed like a slow-boat to diminishing returns. [14:09] I can appreciate their sentiment: hey, take this and develop with it - if you're successful then pay us some money. Unfortunately it's too often abused. [14:10] meh ... not everything in the world is open source... not enough $$$ in that. [14:10] PainBank: That's a choice folks are free to make [14:11] just as it is my choice to laugh uproariously when people pay $500 for a bad interpretation of Vim [14:12] Apparently I'm having a bad-tech day. [14:12] snap-exile: I'm not willing to use vim even though it's free! ;-) [14:12] I kid, of course. [14:12] devinheitmueller: You use Emacs? [14:12] snap-exile: notepad. [14:12] No, I use emacs. [14:13] They're both their own reward. [14:13] I don't disagree. Vim is great to have around on systems where emacs isn't installed. [14:13] snap-exile: true and I laugh at them as well. :) [14:13] Ok, I'll stop trolling. [14:13] :-) [14:14] Hey, emacs is great if you don't value flow control. ;) [14:17] oh, it isn't open source? [14:17] jrwren: Which: awesomium? [14:19] yes. [14:19] It's not OSS. [14:19] lame. [14:19] It has a "Free Indie License" [14:19] it would be pretty damn easy to amke something like that yourself. [14:20] fuk that, just pull webkit yourself. [14:20] (cough) [14:20] *shrug* [14:20] Pro license is $2900 [14:20] if i had the need, i'd write it. [14:21] (per commercial application) [14:21] lolz [14:21] the .net world loves its pay for components. [14:21] Yeah, for $2900, I'd play with Webkit [14:21] er... microsoft world rather. [14:21] jrwren: Totally [14:21] I remember a shareware diff written in VB that was pretty awful [14:21] Clearly this is targeted at people who don't want to embed a browser without having to learn the internals of webkit. There's a market for that I'm sure, but I'm not it. [14:22] devinheitmueller: Same here. [14:22] s/don't// [14:22] I don't want a layer of surprises. [14:23] pretty significan market for it. [14:24] As PT Barnum aptly demonstratd. [14:24] snap-exile: I was going to throw out that quote, but hesitated. [14:24] ;) [14:24] I don't think it's a direct quote, but it definitely was his business model. [14:25] well... if you just want to use it and have to spend time making it yourself... [14:25] does that make you a sucker or not? [14:25] there is a difference there. [14:26] jrwren: if you were to make an OSS version of it, how long would it take you? How long to create a robust set of documentation, which other devs could use? [14:26] If it's the difference between paying out $2900 and having part of my application have part of it's nether regions within vice range, I'd take the time hit. [14:27] screw other devs, put it on github and have it document itself. [14:27] sure [14:28] I know, I am not going to win this arguement here. :) [14:28] fuk that. i don't make robust setes of documentation, nor do I make software for other devs. I do it for myself :p [14:28] i'm not rick_h_ over here. [14:28] the question still stands, how long? [14:29] to wrap webkit? [14:29] and make it useable? [14:29] yup [14:29] just from C++, or just pyhton, or multiple langauge bindings? [14:29] qt and gtk already wrap webkit [14:29] PainBank: When did you become a project manager? [14:29] just C++ [14:29] PainBank: its already done :p [14:29] what are we talking about? gwibber was originally a webkit app in a gtk wrapper [14:29] This sounds like the kind of "hell if I know" questions. ;) [14:29] its already done in .NET too :) [14:29] haha, always had the eye towards that. it is where the $$ is [14:29] http://www.mono-project.com/WebBrowser [14:30] so it would take me zero time, becasue it is already done. [14:31] http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/03/andy-griffith-dies-dead/ [14:32] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/evilhat/race-to-adventure-a-spirit-of-the-centurytm-board <- This needs some love. [14:35] all that said, I love the idea of webkit driven desktop apps. [14:35] its sad that no desktop toolkit has the flexibility and simplicity of what html gives us today [14:36] yup. [14:36] SOme have come close [14:36] but yeah, there's nothing quite that simple [14:38] :qa [14:39] you're stuck with us. ;) [14:42] bah! [14:43] "#LinuxUsersRevolt I always thought blizzard was one of the best things to work work pretty good in wine, I've said it publicly before.... Blizzard (allegedly) pushing m1crosh1t w1ndbl0ws tax on #linux users? Where's the native #Linux client Blizzard? Bah! Singe you +Blizzard Entertainment ! WTF is up with the mal-treatment of #linux ??!! Revolt! Deny the w1ndbl0ws tax!! Why do you want to assail GNU / Linux users! GNU/Linuxers are some of [14:43] Stay classy. [14:44] man, colors are close, I like them in some ways, and ugh in others [14:44] * rick_h_ should have left this alone and just spent more time hacking [14:45] tmux, mutt, irssi, xdefaults ... who's next? [14:45] urxvt? [14:45] that's xdefaults [14:46] xeyes [14:46] I'm sure you missed that. [14:46] what are you doing to your colors? screenshot plz. [14:46] hah, not yet, it's fugly atm [14:46] I'm tring to solarize-light theme them since I've gotten used to the vim theme that way [14:49] http://uploads.mitechie.com/solarized-imcomplete.png so far, but needs a lot of <3 still [14:51] That does look purdy. [14:52] wtf is this: perl /usr/bin/shutter? :) [14:52] shutter is the screenshot app [14:52] PERL? [14:52] yea [14:52] ON RICK_H_'S LAPTOP? [14:52] Well I never. [14:52] http://shutter-project.org/ [14:52] http://shutter-project.org/preview/screenshots/ [14:54] WOw, apt-get install shutter has a lot of dependencies. [14:54] all that dippy perl [14:54] :P [14:54] Yeah, stupid Perl. [14:55] Who would ever use Perl? [14:55] * snap-exile scrubs his resume [14:56] Work network is especially saturated this morning [14:56] still getting 10.4MB of archives. ;) [14:58] apt-get install bookie would have a lot of deps too. [14:59] yea, though soon I'll get to the tarball version [14:59] then I can make it a juju charm [14:59] and then all hell can break loose. ;) [15:00] woot! [15:00] hey, one day (years from now) we'll get that federation bug closed [15:01] You can't see my shameface from here [15:01] hah, there just a few things before that [15:01] Oh, wait, I know how to retort. [15:01] "WEll, if someone wouldn't keep changing the API every weekend?!?" [15:02] "I can't hardly keep up with all of these changes and blah blah crap crap" [15:02] [insert rant here] [15:02] psh, we're still on api v1 baby! [15:02] api stability ftw, just ask derekv [15:05] hey, my shutter download finished. [15:05] yay, now you can start posting to the "post your desktop" forum [15:05] federation bug? [15:06] when bookie first started someone put in a bug/issue request for bookie federation support [15:06] Yeah, some freetard. [15:06] oh, lol. [15:06] i'd have closed it with WONTFIX [15:06] https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/issues/10 [15:07] how about full sync instead of federation [15:07] so i can bring up a bookie node and sync everything :p [15:07] well there's an export api call that could be used for sync [15:07] i mean runtime sync. [15:07] so even though I add it to bmarks.us, it just shows up on jmarks.xmtp.net [15:07] well the export api call dumps json though and import only accepts the xml formats [15:08] yea, pubsubhub stuff [15:08] i say if i wnat it, i should write it. [15:08] there you go [15:08] jrwren: Thanks, pal. [15:08] that will shut me up [15:08] snap-exile: i didn't know it was you. [15:09] ;) [15:09] It still applies, though [15:20] vim set clipboard=unnamedplus [15:20] thoughts? [15:22] or just use the * register. [15:24] I use autocutsel and keep the diff clipboards myself [15:24] "+p is aliased to ,p [15:24] and ,y [15:28] snap-exile: do you recall Windows Server 2000 beta 3 cd image and Windows Media Player in it? [15:29] or mabye even Windows 2000 Workstation beta3 and windows media player? [15:29] jrwren: I have NFC [15:29] NFC? [15:29] No Effin' Clue [15:29] you mentioned Intermix the other day. [15:30] The band [15:30] they actually shipped a 1min wmv untitled audio clip on the CD [15:30] i just threw on Phase Two, made me think of that, can you. [15:30] Really? That's interesting [15:30] I didn't notice anything on my copy [15:31] yeah, i searched everywhere to try to find someone talking about it, but google was young then, and msft was a black box. [15:31] really? [15:31] yeah, OOTB I'd install 2kb3 and it was the demo tracks for WMP [15:31] I'll have to retrieve my copy, but I don't recall there being anything special about it [15:32] Oh, you mean on the Windows 2000 discs [15:32] Bah, I can read [15:32] right. [15:32] No, I don't have windows 2k anything [15:32] beta3 specifically [15:32] or maybe beta2, it might have been gone by beta3 [15:32] it was definitely gone from final release [15:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermix_(band) [15:33] Early versions of Microsoft's Windows XP beta versions used the first minute of the song Voices from the first Intermix album as background music for the Welcome Assistant. It was however not credited and it seems it was not with permission. It was replaced in the final version of Windows XP. [15:33] yes, them. [15:33] ha! [15:33] i thought it was 2000 [15:33] so it was XP beta. [15:33] Might have been as well [15:34] i remember being VERY surprised to hear it. [15:34] I can imagine [15:34] I wish companies did something like that with their extra CD space [15:34] the Ubuntu Showcase is quite cool in that regard. [15:35] but it's not quite the same as pulling up Wheezer's video for Buddy Holly. [15:38] haha, yeah. that was actually very cool for 1995 [15:38] It's the only reason I have a Wind 95 CD. [15:44] lol [15:44] man, yesterday really did suck. [15:44] couldn't find my code I was working on yesterday, was doing it in the wrong branch lol === derekv2 is now known as derekv === derekv is now known as derekv2 === derekv2 is now known as derekv [15:51] At least your machine is running. :) [15:52] Man, I hope the temps don't hit 95F like they've forecast. [15:52] the whole week, no end in sight [15:52] ugh [15:53] had computers reboot this morning [15:57] 110 heat index today [15:57] iFixit got a hold of the Nexus 7: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-7-Teardown/9623 [15:58] yea, I can't wait for that thing to ship [15:58] although, if the nexus 10 rumors are true, it might turn into a wife hand-me-down sonner than expected [15:58] Scott_firebeta: thanks [15:59] 10" is too big [15:59] I want to see, my kinle DX is 9.7" and I like it [15:59] I'm still puzzled why the Nexus 7 is $200 but the Q is $300 [15:59] I think to do true 2-pane work will be hard on the 7" but want again, we'll see [15:59] Nexus 10? Do tell. [16:00] heh, yea that Q I want to be a fan of but can't get around to it [16:00] the Q has an amp, but the Nexus 7 has an LCD [16:00] snap-exile: rumor is they were supposed to annouce a nexus10 as well for $300 but manufacturing issues delayed [16:00] so it might be out sooner vs later [16:00] yea, if the Q did apps I'd be closer to sold [16:01] but the fact that I can't load my AMZ/netflix video library kills it [16:01] or my music from other places [16:01] "it's android inside, the same cpu as the galaxy nexus..." [16:01] other places? [16:01] but you can't get at the android inside to load apps/etc [16:01] pandora, AMZ, etc [16:02] That sounds lame [16:02] you can only play music/videos from the Play/google ecosystem on the Q [16:02] it has a USB port for "hackibility" but I haven't seen any hacks yet [16:02] Needs Squeezebox support. ;) [16:02] squeezebox needs google music now that I've finally uploaded all my music to it [16:02] but that's the thing, devices are splitting [16:02] you can't stream from your android device to the Q, it has to redownload it even if it's on the android device [16:02] roku does amazon video, but the nexus tablet won't since there's no AMZ video app for android [16:03] but roku doesn't do google video [16:03] ugh! [16:04] pretty sad when the Xbox and PS3 has Amazon video before Android [16:05] rick_h_: Apparently Logitech is "looking into it" for Google [16:33] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11300051/can-mysql-reasonably-perform-queries-on-billions-of-rows [16:35] no [16:37] jrwren: Oh come come now. MySQL could probably handle billions of records with the number 1. ;) [17:17] Yay! [17:19] yay? [17:19] oh back online? [17:19] Yeah [17:23] Ah, it's like getting back inside your house after being locked out [19:00] snap-l: Jesus christ, this man id doing it wrong, very wrong [19:01] *is [19:02] The wrong answers is getting upvoted as well, it doesn't matter if MySQL can do it, how he's planning on doing it is still wrong [19:23] same 2billion data point mysql q? [19:24] Yes [19:25] so sad. [19:26] WEll, there's also a big difference between "able to do it" and "able to do it before I hit ctrl-c to abort it" [20:04] snap-l: More like the difference between "able to do it" and "able to do it one query at a time", add a second user that plan and that server would implode [20:20] http://www.buzzfeed.com/mattbuchanan/the-future-of-twitter-is-nothing-youve-seen-befor <- They hired the guy that did Windows Phone to redesign Twitter. [20:20] Expect an exodus [20:20] Sorry, Creative Director for WIndows Phone. [20:59] Quote from intern with "6 years experiance of Python Web Development": "What's Dee-Jango?" [22:04] ho boy [22:04] you misunderstood. he developed websites _for_ pythons. [22:24] whats a good markup for blogs? [22:25] markdown [22:25] or rst, but that's only for python fans and isn't as universally loved [22:25] well I love the name of markdown [22:26] actually, now I'm not sure was I thinking you'd want something else for a blog? [22:26] huh? [22:26] exactly. [22:26] =] [22:26] rick_h_: thinking you'd want something blog for else? [22:27] Blazeix: ah, for else...yea...ummm... [22:28] man, need to get my irssi theme fixed. Mutt looks better now, but irssi is still painful to use [22:28] I'm sure not actually something else a blog was thinking, you'd want I? [22:28] word salad. [22:29] i'm not sure what's going on, but i second markdown. it's good for blogs. [22:29] right, and lots of parsers/etc. [22:29] didn't github open source their fork of it? [22:29] but that's probably in ruby *yuck* :P [22:29] it generates sane output for code blocks, and you can pretty easily add a syntax highlighter script to it. [22:29] whatever they use to parse the READMEs is all up there [22:29] it works for .org files [22:30]