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astraljavalen-dt: ochosi is the guy to talk to about that stuff.04:08
stochasticHello everyone04:14
astraljavaHi stochastic! LTNS. :)05:08
Len-nbastraljava, ok, I'll do that.06:29
Len-nbastraljava, I have just pushed new ubuntustudio-default-settings in with fixed menus... now what?06:30
Len-nbmicahg, ^^ it looks like I talk to you next. It seems you have done the release before.06:33
astraljavaLen-nb: Yeah, micahg can update the -meta. Thanks!06:37
micahgLen-nb: a couple things, first, please do one commit per change, it makes reviewing easier, second, please leave the changelog as UNRELEASED rather than quantal so that other changes can be made on top if necessary06:49
Len-nbmicahg, Sorry, my first time, I was following what I saw below. I thought I only did one commit.. only ram bzr commit once, but that may not be what you mean06:53
micahgLen-nb: right, it should be bzr commit once per change06:53
micahgor debcommit in this case06:53
Len-nbok, So for each file change or add or remove then?06:54
Len-nbI was following this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadStepByStepInstructions06:55
micahgLen-nb: things that would logically be one group can be one commit06:55
Len-nbOK06:55
Len-nbIts midnight I'm off06:55
micahgLen-nb: let's chat tomorrow then06:56
Len-nbI'll read the backlog in the morning06:56
ailo_Ubuntu Studio Testing email list created https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntustudio-testing11:40
knomegreat12:04
knomenow create ubuntustudio-bugs in LP and subscribe that to all bugmail instead of -devel ;)12:05
ailo_knome: Might as well yes. And people don't need to be allround developers to be helping with bug management12:36
ailo_Have to run now, but will look into it12:36
knomegood :)12:40
stochasticIs scott taking a bit of a break right now?  Does anyone know what happened to the push of the new website?15:43
stochasticknome, you around?15:43
ailo_stochastic: It's being published soon15:44
ailo_stochastic: Scott is not being as active this cycle. The people who will be is me, astraljava, len-dt and knome + xubuntu folks15:44
ailo_stochastic: actually, it's already published :)15:46
ailo_http://ubuntustudio.org/15:46
stochasticokay, thanks ailo_ I had checked less than 12hours ago and the old site loaded15:48
stochasticGlad to see it's finally up!15:49
ailo_I sent an email to Scott about making it public. It'll be interesting to see the response from the community15:52
ochosilen-dt: i was pinged by astraljava and you..?16:53
astraljavaochosi: re: icons17:15
ochosiastraljava: yes?17:16
ochosii'm about to have dinner, but i'll read the backlog and reply in a bit17:17
astraljavaochosi: I don't know about it, but len-dt was talking about some problems.17:24
ailo_ochosi: I believe len-dt needed some help with replacing the menu icons with ubuntu studio specific icons17:52
shnatselhey guys, I kinda fell out with elementary at the moment, so I'm all yours if you need me.17:53
ailo_shnatsel: Hey, what areas are you most interested in? (I haven't really followed)18:03
shnatselailo_: I used to be a distro architect in elementary, so I usually do all kinds of distro plumbing stuff. Only had experience with GNOME 2/3 based DEs so far.18:05
shnatselI'm fluent with BASH but I don't know any Python or Perl18:05
shnatselI also have experience with seeds and I converted US to using blueprints back in the day...18:08
ailo_shnatsel: This is the blueprints for Quantal. misc might be a good place to start18:08
shnatselalso did quite some performance research, though much of my work is irrelevant for low-latency environment18:09
ailo_First thing that comes to mind is having nautilus handle the desktop, which I think is not happening right now18:09
ailo_Nautilus is supposed to be the default file manager, but thunar will be opened instead at times18:09
ailo_Feel free to look around and see what you would like to assist with18:10
shnatselwell, in GNOME3 the desktop is (finally) split into two parts:18:11
shnatselthere's gnome-settings-daemon drawing the picture and Nautilus drawing the folders and stuff18:12
shnatseldo you still use desktop-as-a-folder btw?18:12
ailo_shnatsel: I have no idea about the desktop part :). Have a dim understanding of gnome, while pretty much nothing about XFCE18:17
ailo_len-dt has been doing some work on that, also, the Xubuntu folks are on top of things like that of course18:17
ailo_shnatsel: If you do find a task that suits you, please just grab it and add your name to the blueprints. As for adding things to the blueprints, maybe just discuss with someone first.18:20
ochosilen-dt: ok, sounds more like packaging. how do you handle your icons atm? i think scott should know...18:30
ailo_knome: I seem to have missed something. The links at the download page don't work. I don't know how to add links to those boxes. I only know <a href..19:14
ailo_http://ubuntustudio.org/download-ubuntu-studio/19:14
ailo_knome: I made href links for now. If you can help me fix that we get the boxes back with the right links, it would be great19:19
knomeailo_, i'll check that in a minute19:29
stochasticailo_, is it you that just made the ubuntustudio-testing mailing list?  I'm just thinking that those types of e-mails are exactly what the developer list should see.19:35
knomeailo_, page updated19:37
knomestochastic, the -testing list was created to avoid flooding the -devel list with automated test results and such19:37
knomestochastic, those aren't really developer coordination, and sending them to -devel would, imo, make the real cooperation harder19:38
knomeailo_, see how the [lb] tag is used; [lb url=internal/] and [lb urle=http://extern.al/]19:38
knomeailo_, and then inside that tag, the button title, and close with [/lb]19:39
knomeailo_, (just like <a>, but a bit easier, and handles style automatically19:39
ailo_stochastic: We're separating those, making -devel more of a general devel discussion mail list19:42
ailo_stochastic: Also, there will soon be a ubuntustudio-bugs mail list19:42
ailo_knome: You added those back? They don't work for me19:45
ailo_knome: This is the link I get http://ubuntustudio.org/http:/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.04/release/ubuntustudio-12.04-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent19:45
ailo_With urle19:45
knomeailo_, i'll recheck then...19:45
knomeyou're right.19:46
knomeweird19:46
* knome checks code..19:46
ailo_stochastic: The idea is that we will start doing some automated testing not far into the future, and will be using the -testing site for posting and saving the results19:47
ailo_-testing list*19:47
=== ailo_ is now known as ailo
knomeailo, oops!19:50
knome:)19:50
knomeyeah, it's not as expected..19:50
knomeailo, i'll push a fix asap19:52
knomei'm getting it fixed by IS in the next 20 mins19:56
ailoNice. Time to hit the spring bed20:10
knomehehe, nighty20:10
knomeailo, fixed.20:15
len-dtochosi, we seed or depend on elementary-icon-theme and xubuntu-icon-theme.20:22
len-dtochosi, I am seeing that even in precise the icon for accessories and internet are default and not right.20:24
ochosiwhere, in the application menu?20:25
len-dtochosi, the directory files we are using are xfce-*.directory20:25
len-dtYes.20:25
ochosithis is how it should look: http://imagebin.org/21936220:26
ochosi(and how it looks in xubuntu)20:26
len-dtIt seems to me when I looked at the xubuntu live cd I found a /usr/share/xubuntu dir with some images in it too.20:27
len-dtYa that is what I expected.20:27
ochosiall you see here is from xubuntu-icon-theme aka elementary-xfce20:27
ochosiwhat i did for xubuntu is, i forked elementary-icon-theme before they dropped all DE specific symlinks20:28
len-dtOk I will look around some more. maybe we have a spelling mistake20:28
ochosi(pkg-name is xubuntu-icon-theme, icon-theme-name is elementary-xfce)20:28
ochosithis is where we currently collect missing icons for quantal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/100641620:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1006416 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "Add missing icons to elementary-xfce" [Undecided,Confirmed]20:29
len-dtOurs looks like this: http://www.ovenwerks.net/UStudiodocs/menu.html20:29
ochosithen you're most likely using elementary, not elementary-xfce20:29
ochosicould you open the appearance dialog in your session?20:30
ochosi(in the settings-manager)20:30
ochosiand then check what icon-theme you're using20:30
len-dtIt says elementary Xfce Dark20:31
ochosistrange, that should be fine20:31
ochosicould you please go to /usr/share/icons and check whether both folders elementary-xfce and elementary-xfce-dark are there?20:32
len-dtHmm, just noticed my education one is bad too.20:32
ochosiyeah20:32
ochosiand if that all works, i'd like to ask you to clone the icons directly from our github-repo to test whether that works20:32
len-dtYa, they are there20:33
ochosihmm20:33
ochosiyou can go to elementary-xfce and to the categories folder20:33
ochosiand 1620:33
len-dtYup, I see applications-internet.svg which matches Icon=applications-internet20:35
ochosivery strange20:36
len-dtapplications-science.png which matches Icon=applications-science20:36
ochosiyeah and there should be a symlink from -science to -education20:36
len-dtthey look like two files the same, no link20:37
ochosithat would be very odd20:38
ochosianyway, could i ask you to clone (or download and untar) this repo to your ~/.icons folder? https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce20:39
ochosithen you might have to switch icon-themes back and forth20:39
ochosithen tell me whether it looks better20:39
len-dtNo change... but I think I found the problem...20:47
len-dtThe directory file is wrong in the *.menu file :P20:48
len-dtThese are parts I didn't look at because I wasn't changing them...20:49
len-dtochosi, thank you for all your help.20:49
ochosiheh20:49
ochosiok :)20:49
ochosilen-dt: well nothing to thank me for then ;)20:49
ochosilen-dt: but if you could spread word about that bugreport in case people find missing icons, that'd be great!20:50
len-dtJust making me look was worth while.20:50
len-dtOk, I am trying to make sure we create our own icons for any US menus.20:51
ochosiwhat do you mean?20:52
len-dtWe have some menus that are specific to ubuntustudio that we have being using icons we have seen and liked. SOme from applications.20:52
len-dtI would like us to have our own for our own *.directory files20:53
ochosiright20:53
ochosiwell you can easily create an icon theme addon for elementary-xfce if you want20:53
ochosiall you have to do is set the inherit line in the index.theme file20:53
len-dtThat would be a good idea, so far they are in pixmaps even though they are pngs20:54
ochosiwhat do you mean exactly?20:56
ochosi(pngs are also pixmaps)20:56
len-dt/usr/share/pixmaps20:56
ochosioh20:56
ochosiright20:56
len-dtI have called them all ubuntustudio-*.png20:57
ochosiwell yeah, i think putting them in /usr/share/icons is the cleaner solution20:57
len-dtStill learning here this is my second cycle and last was mostly test and complain stuff.20:58
len-dtI'm trying to do a bit more this cycle, so making more mistakes too.20:59
ochosithat's the normal way of getting involved in something new :)21:01
len-dt:)21:01
ochosibut anyway, if you need help with gtk-theme or icon-theme feel free to ping me21:01
len-dtwill do and thanks again. It looks right now...21:02
ochosiok great!21:03
len-dtJust checking to make sure there are no more that we don't ship that are wrong.21:05
len-dtScience is messed up but there is no *.directory file for that21:14
len-dtIt looks like a hold over from our Gnome DE days.21:14
len-dtThat may be the whole problem.21:17
ochosiyup21:30
knome\o/21:35
Len-nbmicahg, I have done another update to default settings. It seems there where some leftovers from gnome days. Internet, accessories and education pointed at *.directory files that are not there instead of the xfce ones.22:36
Len-nbOne fix one commit. Changelog says UNRELEASED.22:37
Len-nbThis page: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio22:38
Len-nbshows me as name and email instead of LP login. I am not sure why, both whoami and launchpad-login are set in bzr.22:39
micahgLen-nb: you should have the version there, just UNRELEASED as the suite (instead of quantal)22:51
micahgI see this in lynx:   123. By Len Ovens <email address hidden> 16 hours ago22:51
micahglooks like an LP bug22:51
micahgLen-nb: and you can use the same changelog as long as it's unreleased still22:52
Len-nbAnything I did in my own junk dir is fine. Do you want me to fix the changelog then?22:52
micahgLen-nb: yeah, go ahead22:53
Len-nbOK, I will add my latest to the other and make the whole unreleased.22:53
micahgLen-nb: can you file a bug here for your LP issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug22:54
Len-nbOK22:55
Len-nbWe seem to have an ISO again.22:55
micahgLen-nb: I"m wondering about this file: etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/menus/xfce-applications.menu.original22:56
micahgLen-nb: I'm also wondering about the PNGs, are they from SVGs?22:57
Len-nbI have removed the *.original22:57
Len-nbThe pngs have always been pngs22:58
micahgah, yes, I see the removal now22:58
Len-nbmicahg, how is the changelog?23:01
micahgLen-nb: almost, you still have 2 signature lines23:02
Len-nbOk, I was thinking two different dates.23:02
Len-nbSo just add lines to the bottom then23:03
micahgonly one of those is allowed (and it'll get updated when I or someone else do dch -r -m before upload)23:03
Len-nbOK, so I should use the later time or not worry which23:03
micahgdoesn't matter23:04
Len-nbOk.. one more up.23:05
micahglooks good, thanks23:06

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