[04:08] <astraljava> len-dt: ochosi is the guy to talk to about that stuff.
[04:14] <stochastic> Hello everyone
[05:08] <astraljava> Hi stochastic! LTNS. :)
[06:29] <Len-nb> astraljava, ok, I'll do that.
[06:30] <Len-nb> astraljava, I have just pushed new ubuntustudio-default-settings in with fixed menus... now what?
[06:33] <Len-nb> micahg, ^^ it looks like I talk to you next. It seems you have done the release before.
[06:37] <astraljava> Len-nb: Yeah, micahg can update the -meta. Thanks!
[06:49] <micahg> Len-nb: a couple things, first, please do one commit per change, it makes reviewing easier, second, please leave the changelog as UNRELEASED rather than quantal so that other changes can be made on top if necessary
[06:53] <Len-nb> micahg, Sorry, my first time, I was following what I saw below. I thought I only did one commit.. only ram bzr commit once, but that may not be what you mean
[06:53] <micahg> Len-nb: right, it should be bzr commit once per change
[06:53] <micahg> or debcommit in this case
[06:54] <Len-nb> ok, So for each file change or add or remove then?
[06:55] <Len-nb> I was following this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadStepByStepInstructions
[06:55] <micahg> Len-nb: things that would logically be one group can be one commit
[06:55] <Len-nb> OK
[06:55] <Len-nb> Its midnight I'm off
[06:56] <micahg> Len-nb: let's chat tomorrow then
[06:56] <Len-nb> I'll read the backlog in the morning
[11:40] <ailo_> Ubuntu Studio Testing email list created https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntustudio-testing
[12:04] <knome> great
[12:05] <knome> now create ubuntustudio-bugs in LP and subscribe that to all bugmail instead of -devel ;)
[12:36] <ailo_> knome: Might as well yes. And people don't need to be allround developers to be helping with bug management
[12:36] <ailo_> Have to run now, but will look into it
[12:40] <knome> good :)
[15:43] <stochastic> Is scott taking a bit of a break right now?  Does anyone know what happened to the push of the new website?
[15:43] <stochastic> knome, you around?
[15:44] <ailo_> stochastic: It's being published soon
[15:44] <ailo_> stochastic: Scott is not being as active this cycle. The people who will be is me, astraljava, len-dt and knome + xubuntu folks
[15:46] <ailo_> stochastic: actually, it's already published :)
[15:46] <ailo_> http://ubuntustudio.org/
[15:48] <stochastic> okay, thanks ailo_ I had checked less than 12hours ago and the old site loaded
[15:49] <stochastic> Glad to see it's finally up!
[15:52] <ailo_> I sent an email to Scott about making it public. It'll be interesting to see the response from the community
[16:53] <ochosi> len-dt: i was pinged by astraljava and you..?
[17:15] <astraljava> ochosi: re: icons
[17:16] <ochosi> astraljava: yes?
[17:17] <ochosi> i'm about to have dinner, but i'll read the backlog and reply in a bit
[17:24] <astraljava> ochosi: I don't know about it, but len-dt was talking about some problems.
[17:52] <ailo_> ochosi: I believe len-dt needed some help with replacing the menu icons with ubuntu studio specific icons
[17:53] <shnatsel> hey guys, I kinda fell out with elementary at the moment, so I'm all yours if you need me.
[18:03] <ailo_> shnatsel: Hey, what areas are you most interested in? (I haven't really followed)
[18:05] <shnatsel> ailo_: I used to be a distro architect in elementary, so I usually do all kinds of distro plumbing stuff. Only had experience with GNOME 2/3 based DEs so far.
[18:05] <shnatsel> I'm fluent with BASH but I don't know any Python or Perl
[18:08] <shnatsel> I also have experience with seeds and I converted US to using blueprints back in the day...
[18:08] <ailo_> shnatsel: This is the blueprints for Quantal. misc might be a good place to start
[18:09] <shnatsel> also did quite some performance research, though much of my work is irrelevant for low-latency environment
[18:09] <ailo_> First thing that comes to mind is having nautilus handle the desktop, which I think is not happening right now
[18:09] <ailo_> Nautilus is supposed to be the default file manager, but thunar will be opened instead at times
[18:10] <ailo_> Feel free to look around and see what you would like to assist with
[18:11] <shnatsel> well, in GNOME3 the desktop is (finally) split into two parts:
[18:12] <shnatsel> there's gnome-settings-daemon drawing the picture and Nautilus drawing the folders and stuff
[18:12] <shnatsel> do you still use desktop-as-a-folder btw?
[18:17] <ailo_> shnatsel: I have no idea about the desktop part :). Have a dim understanding of gnome, while pretty much nothing about XFCE
[18:17] <ailo_> len-dt has been doing some work on that, also, the Xubuntu folks are on top of things like that of course
[18:20] <ailo_> shnatsel: If you do find a task that suits you, please just grab it and add your name to the blueprints. As for adding things to the blueprints, maybe just discuss with someone first.
[18:30] <ochosi> len-dt: ok, sounds more like packaging. how do you handle your icons atm? i think scott should know...
[19:14] <ailo_> knome: I seem to have missed something. The links at the download page don't work. I don't know how to add links to those boxes. I only know <a href..
[19:14] <ailo_> http://ubuntustudio.org/download-ubuntu-studio/
[19:19] <ailo_> knome: I made href links for now. If you can help me fix that we get the boxes back with the right links, it would be great
[19:29] <knome> ailo_, i'll check that in a minute
[19:35] <stochastic> ailo_, is it you that just made the ubuntustudio-testing mailing list?  I'm just thinking that those types of e-mails are exactly what the developer list should see.
[19:37] <knome> ailo_, page updated
[19:37] <knome> stochastic, the -testing list was created to avoid flooding the -devel list with automated test results and such
[19:38] <knome> stochastic, those aren't really developer coordination, and sending them to -devel would, imo, make the real cooperation harder
[19:38] <knome> ailo_, see how the [lb] tag is used; [lb url=internal/] and [lb urle=http://extern.al/]
[19:39] <knome> ailo_, and then inside that tag, the button title, and close with [/lb]
[19:39] <knome> ailo_, (just like <a>, but a bit easier, and handles style automatically
[19:42] <ailo_> stochastic: We're separating those, making -devel more of a general devel discussion mail list
[19:42] <ailo_> stochastic: Also, there will soon be a ubuntustudio-bugs mail list
[19:45] <ailo_> knome: You added those back? They don't work for me
[19:45] <ailo_> knome: This is the link I get http://ubuntustudio.org/http:/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.04/release/ubuntustudio-12.04-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent
[19:45] <ailo_> With urle
[19:45] <knome> ailo_, i'll recheck then...
[19:46] <knome> you're right.
[19:46] <knome> weird
[19:46]  * knome checks code..
[19:47] <ailo_> stochastic: The idea is that we will start doing some automated testing not far into the future, and will be using the -testing site for posting and saving the results
[19:47] <ailo_> -testing list*
[19:50] <knome> ailo, oops!
[19:50] <knome> :)
[19:50] <knome> yeah, it's not as expected..
[19:52] <knome> ailo, i'll push a fix asap
[19:56] <knome> i'm getting it fixed by IS in the next 20 mins
[20:10] <ailo> Nice. Time to hit the spring bed
[20:10] <knome> hehe, nighty
[20:15] <knome> ailo, fixed.
[20:22] <len-dt> ochosi, we seed or depend on elementary-icon-theme and xubuntu-icon-theme.
[20:24] <len-dt> ochosi, I am seeing that even in precise the icon for accessories and internet are default and not right.
[20:25] <ochosi> where, in the application menu?
[20:25] <len-dt> ochosi, the directory files we are using are xfce-*.directory
[20:25] <len-dt> Yes.
[20:26] <ochosi> this is how it should look: http://imagebin.org/219362
[20:26] <ochosi> (and how it looks in xubuntu)
[20:27] <len-dt> It seems to me when I looked at the xubuntu live cd I found a /usr/share/xubuntu dir with some images in it too.
[20:27] <len-dt> Ya that is what I expected.
[20:27] <ochosi> all you see here is from xubuntu-icon-theme aka elementary-xfce
[20:28] <ochosi> what i did for xubuntu is, i forked elementary-icon-theme before they dropped all DE specific symlinks
[20:28] <len-dt> Ok I will look around some more. maybe we have a spelling mistake
[20:28] <ochosi> (pkg-name is xubuntu-icon-theme, icon-theme-name is elementary-xfce)
[20:29] <ochosi> this is where we currently collect missing icons for quantal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/1006416
[20:29] <len-dt> Ours looks like this: http://www.ovenwerks.net/UStudiodocs/menu.html
[20:29] <ochosi> then you're most likely using elementary, not elementary-xfce
[20:30] <ochosi> could you open the appearance dialog in your session?
[20:30] <ochosi> (in the settings-manager)
[20:30] <ochosi> and then check what icon-theme you're using
[20:31] <len-dt> It says elementary Xfce Dark
[20:31] <ochosi> strange, that should be fine
[20:32] <ochosi> could you please go to /usr/share/icons and check whether both folders elementary-xfce and elementary-xfce-dark are there?
[20:32] <len-dt> Hmm, just noticed my education one is bad too.
[20:32] <ochosi> yeah
[20:32] <ochosi> and if that all works, i'd like to ask you to clone the icons directly from our github-repo to test whether that works
[20:33] <len-dt> Ya, they are there
[20:33] <ochosi> hmm
[20:33] <ochosi> you can go to elementary-xfce and to the categories folder
[20:33] <ochosi> and 16
[20:35] <len-dt> Yup, I see applications-internet.svg which matches Icon=applications-internet
[20:36] <ochosi> very strange
[20:36] <len-dt> applications-science.png which matches Icon=applications-science
[20:36] <ochosi> yeah and there should be a symlink from -science to -education
[20:37] <len-dt> they look like two files the same, no link
[20:38] <ochosi> that would be very odd
[20:39] <ochosi> anyway, could i ask you to clone (or download and untar) this repo to your ~/.icons folder? https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce
[20:39] <ochosi> then you might have to switch icon-themes back and forth
[20:39] <ochosi> then tell me whether it looks better
[20:47] <len-dt> No change... but I think I found the problem...
[20:48] <len-dt> The directory file is wrong in the *.menu file :P
[20:49] <len-dt> These are parts I didn't look at because I wasn't changing them...
[20:49] <len-dt> ochosi, thank you for all your help.
[20:49] <ochosi> heh
[20:49] <ochosi> ok :)
[20:49] <ochosi> len-dt: well nothing to thank me for then ;)
[20:50] <ochosi> len-dt: but if you could spread word about that bugreport in case people find missing icons, that'd be great!
[20:50] <len-dt> Just making me look was worth while.
[20:51] <len-dt> Ok, I am trying to make sure we create our own icons for any US menus.
[20:52] <ochosi> what do you mean?
[20:52] <len-dt> We have some menus that are specific to ubuntustudio that we have being using icons we have seen and liked. SOme from applications.
[20:53] <len-dt> I would like us to have our own for our own *.directory files
[20:53] <ochosi> right
[20:53] <ochosi> well you can easily create an icon theme addon for elementary-xfce if you want
[20:53] <ochosi> all you have to do is set the inherit line in the index.theme file
[20:54] <len-dt> That would be a good idea, so far they are in pixmaps even though they are pngs
[20:56] <ochosi> what do you mean exactly?
[20:56] <ochosi> (pngs are also pixmaps)
[20:56] <len-dt> /usr/share/pixmaps
[20:56] <ochosi> oh
[20:56] <ochosi> right
[20:57] <len-dt> I have called them all ubuntustudio-*.png
[20:57] <ochosi> well yeah, i think putting them in /usr/share/icons is the cleaner solution
[20:58] <len-dt> Still learning here this is my second cycle and last was mostly test and complain stuff.
[20:59] <len-dt> I'm trying to do a bit more this cycle, so making more mistakes too.
[21:01] <ochosi> that's the normal way of getting involved in something new :)
[21:01] <len-dt> :)
[21:01] <ochosi> but anyway, if you need help with gtk-theme or icon-theme feel free to ping me
[21:02] <len-dt> will do and thanks again. It looks right now...
[21:03] <ochosi> ok great!
[21:05] <len-dt> Just checking to make sure there are no more that we don't ship that are wrong.
[21:14] <len-dt> Science is messed up but there is no *.directory file for that
[21:14] <len-dt> It looks like a hold over from our Gnome DE days.
[21:17] <len-dt> That may be the whole problem.
[21:30] <ochosi> yup
[21:35] <knome> \o/
[22:36] <Len-nb> micahg, I have done another update to default settings. It seems there where some leftovers from gnome days. Internet, accessories and education pointed at *.directory files that are not there instead of the xfce ones.
[22:37] <Len-nb> One fix one commit. Changelog says UNRELEASED.
[22:38] <Len-nb> This page: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio
[22:39] <Len-nb> shows me as name and email instead of LP login. I am not sure why, both whoami and launchpad-login are set in bzr.
[22:51] <micahg> Len-nb: you should have the version there, just UNRELEASED as the suite (instead of quantal)
[22:51] <micahg> I see this in lynx:   123. By Len Ovens <email address hidden> 16 hours ago
[22:51] <micahg> looks like an LP bug
[22:52] <micahg> Len-nb: and you can use the same changelog as long as it's unreleased still
[22:52] <Len-nb> Anything I did in my own junk dir is fine. Do you want me to fix the changelog then?
[22:53] <micahg> Len-nb: yeah, go ahead
[22:53] <Len-nb> OK, I will add my latest to the other and make the whole unreleased.
[22:54] <micahg> Len-nb: can you file a bug here for your LP issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[22:55] <Len-nb> OK
[22:55] <Len-nb> We seem to have an ISO again.
[22:56] <micahg> Len-nb: I"m wondering about this file: etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/menus/xfce-applications.menu.original
[22:57] <micahg> Len-nb: I'm also wondering about the PNGs, are they from SVGs?
[22:57] <Len-nb> I have removed the *.original
[22:58] <Len-nb> The pngs have always been pngs
[22:58] <micahg> ah, yes, I see the removal now
[23:01] <Len-nb> micahg, how is the changelog?
[23:02] <micahg> Len-nb: almost, you still have 2 signature lines
[23:02] <Len-nb> Ok, I was thinking two different dates.
[23:03] <Len-nb> So just add lines to the bottom then
[23:03] <micahg> only one of those is allowed (and it'll get updated when I or someone else do dch -r -m before upload)
[23:03] <Len-nb> OK, so I should use the later time or not worry which
[23:04] <micahg> doesn't matter
[23:05] <Len-nb> Ok.. one more up.
[23:06] <micahg> looks good, thanks