[00:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: technically you don't need to click computer on kubuntu :P
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> My ~/.kde was made when you did :P
[00:15] <apachelogger> doesn't matter, that is regular kiosk ,so you must have set it manually at some point
[00:16] <skreech_> kiosk?
[00:25] <apachelogger> confic cascading
[00:25] <apachelogger> *config
[00:25] <skreech_> ah thought that kiosktool was revived
[00:26] <apachelogger> that was just a gui to create the configs
[00:26] <apachelogger> (a rather unmaintainable gui IMHO)
[00:26] <skreech_> Yeah but GUI can be helpful
[00:26] <skreech_>  See Also: KDE
[00:27] <apachelogger> effort > use
[00:27] <skreech_> Yeah hence why it stopped being maintained but I wasn't convinced that the idea of  a front end for it should die
[00:27] <apachelogger> doing that reasonable would require every app to install some sort of config specification file
[00:28] <apachelogger> also kiosk'd configs would need to be kconf_updated which makes it a whole lot more complicate
[00:29] <skreech_> Perhaps a simpler concept such as documentation presentation and a test framework
[00:29] <skreech_>  kinda like an IDE for configs
[00:29] <apachelogger> you still do not know what the app calls their config entries
[00:29] <apachelogger> that is the one and only problem
[00:30] <apachelogger> amarok 2.6 may have [General]\nFoo=bar and the very same functionality in amarok 2.7 may be [General]\nBar=foo
[00:31] <apachelogger> configs are not considered a shared resource so an app may do whatever they want
[00:31] <skreech_> It does have [General]
[00:32] <skreech_> and if the application/KonfigIDE is simply showing the documentation for the configs for the app then each app would maintain it's own usability 
[00:32] <apachelogger> that is what I said? no? :P
 doing that reasonable would require every app to install some sort of config specification file
[00:32] <skreech_> and there would possibly be a bridge between knowing that configs can be tweaked and actually getting the skills to doing so
[00:33] <apachelogger> such that config entries are "exported" and known to the outside 
[00:33] <apachelogger> for example to an IDE
[00:33] <skreech_> but is there a market or demand for that?
[00:34] <skreech_> do few people use the KIOSK framework because they don't know they can use it or cause there is no use for it?
[00:35] <littlegirl> There's definitely a use for it.
[00:36] <skreech_> Yeah I've always thought so
[00:37] <skreech_> Schools and (HTGIRL) Kiosks come to mind
[00:37] <littlegirl> Exactly, and even if it's just a few people, I'm sure they appreciate it. (:
 effort > use
[00:38] <skreech_> littlegirl: Scratch your own itch :)
[00:38]  * littlegirl is scratching
[00:39] <littlegirl> Itch: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-docs
[00:39] <skreech_> however for pretty much all (sometimes FOSS) projects require someone to drag it within arms reach of someone else before the effort to reach out and scratch becomes tempting
[00:40] <littlegirl> Luckily that can be done. (:
[00:40] <apachelogger> halp!
[00:40] <apachelogger> kbd out of battery
[00:40] <skreech_> \o/
[00:40] <apachelogger> time to buy a new one
[00:40]  * littlegirl hands apachelogger a pen
[00:40] <skreech_> PLug in the kbd
[00:52] <littlegirl> Hmmm, the Launchpad Bazaar server for the Ubuntu core docs seems to be down. I'm getting a 503 error. Is it just me or is it that way for you guys, too? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc
[00:58] <skreech_> No it's 503ing
[00:58] <skreech_> 500 HTTP errors are normally a server screwup
[00:59] <littlegirl> Should I wait to push a commit until it's all better?
[01:02] <skreech_> That would be the safe thing to do
[01:02] <skreech_> Get some batteries for apachelogger in the meant time
[01:02]  * littlegirl runs to WalMart for Apachelogger
[01:15] <littlegirl> All better. (:
[01:20] <utu-san> is 4.9 RC1 being skipped?
[01:36] <skreech_> By who?
[01:39] <littlegirl> Is the System Tray an application?
[01:41] <skreech_> it's a plasmoid
[01:41] <littlegirl> I don't think they have a plasmoid DocBook element yet. (:
[01:50] <skreech_> :-)
[07:09] <Riddell> tere
[11:39] <Riddell> anyone remember what happened to the restrictedInstall patches in amarok and dragon?
[12:05] <debfx> replaced by gstreamer integration of qapt
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:48] <Riddell> debfx: aah
[12:52] <Riddell> afiestas_: is apol still around?
[13:32] <Riddell> BluesKaj: now that's a weird one I haven't had before in #kubuntu, let me know if he becomes a problem
[13:36] <BluesKaj> he's behind a proxy ..keeps complaining about crappy sound , but guess he was just trying to get traffic to some porn site , Riddell 
[13:37] <shadeslayer> ...
[13:37] <Riddell> yeah if he posts again well kick him
[13:37] <BluesKaj> right 
[13:37] <Riddell> posts a pointer
[13:48]  * apachelogger dereferences
[14:09] <BluesKaj> Riddell, that weird one has agreed not to post anymore porn sites
[19:54] <skreech_> hi Blizzz
[19:54] <skreech_> Hi BluesKaj
[19:56] <BluesKaj> hi skreech_
[20:08] <skreech_> apachelogger: Someone just asked me. I'm guessing from the topic you are the person to ask about KTP progress?
[20:08] <apachelogger> skreech_: progress?
[20:09] <skreech_> as in is it stalled? or has showstopper bugs?
[20:09] <skreech_> for 0.4 packages
[20:13] <apachelogger> we do have 0.4 packages
[20:13] <apachelogger> not sure we have them for 12.04 tho
[20:13] <ScottK> We are even in sync with Debian.
[20:15] <skreech_> Ok
[20:15] <skreech_> I jsut looked on the Kubuntu news page to see if they were announced
[20:18] <Riddell> we don't have a tradition of announcing kde-telepathy packages
[20:18] <Riddell> (since it's a new thing to package)
[20:18] <Riddell> but try this PPA https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-telepathy
[20:19] <Riddell> they're nice people, they bought me dinner and beer this evening
[20:19] <Riddell> calligra have offered to do the same tomorrow, I'm so easily bought
[20:20] <Riddell> ScottK: a Jeroen from kolabsys has been namedropping you
[20:20] <ScottK> Oh?
[20:20] <ScottK> What'd I do?  Was it good?
[20:21] <Riddell> exchange e-mails I think
[20:21] <ScottK> Ah.  Could be.
[20:22] <ScottK> Yes.  It appears we've exchanged emails on postfix-users.
[20:31] <skreech_> :-)
[20:40] <skreech_> Thanks Riddell. I'll see if I can purchase you a beer sometime
[20:44] <Riddell> cool :)