[04:12] <AlecTaylor> hi
[04:13] <AlecTaylor> How stable is 12.10?
[05:03] <AlecTaylor> How stable is 12.10?
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:28] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha BluesKaj
[12:30] <BluesKaj> hey MrChrisDruif
[12:30] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> good , how about you?
[12:31] <MrChrisDruif> Got a bit of a cold, slept about 11 hours, still feel like crap
[12:32] <MrChrisDruif> And dist-upgrade/Partial Update wants me to remove gnome-shell-extensions...and I don't think there is an alternative package for it's place
[12:35] <BluesKaj> MrChrisDruif, it should reinstall after the upgrade if you run it after loging in ..that was my experience
[12:35] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, I wanted to make sure it's installable afterwards, I don't want an "update" to break it completely down for me! =P
[12:35] <BluesKaj> of course that was few weeks ago on unity , I've since switched back to kde
[12:37] <MrChrisDruif> I'll just check if gnome-shell or gnome-shell-common have integrated it
[12:37] <BluesKaj> I received that notice at the tty after having to the recovery kernel
[12:37] <BluesKaj> use
[12:39] <BluesKaj> I can't say for sure that you won't have the gnome-shell-extensions removed permanenetly
[12:42] <MrChrisDruif> What is dislike about Software Updater or dist-upgrade is that it doesn't mention WHY something has to be removed
[12:44] <yeats> MrChrisDruif: you can do 'apt-cache showpkg <packagename>' to view a package's dependencies which would probably show why
[12:46] <MrChrisDruif> I think this is what I should look at, but I can't make heads or tails out of it; Dependencies: 3.4.0-0ubuntu1 - dconf-gsettings-backend (16 (null)) gsettings-backend (0 (null)) gnome-shell (2 3.4) gnome-shell (3 3.5) gir1.2-gtop-2.0 (0 (null))
[13:04] <MrChrisDruif> For example, what is this section about: gnome-shell (2 3.4) gnome-shell (3 3.5)
[13:31] <bjsnider> MrChrisDruif, they probably are incompatible with a newer version of gnome-shell that you're being prompted to upgrade
[13:31] <bjsnider> they still haven't settled on a stable api, so any version change breaks the extensions
[13:32] <MrChrisDruif> It wants to upgrade to 3.5.3 ;-)
[13:32] <bjsnider> any major.minor change, not a patch change
[13:32] <bjsnider> from 3.4?
[13:39] <MrChrisDruif> Yup, 3.4.1 to 3.5.3
[13:42] <bjsnider> so that is a change in the minor verion, and that will break the extensions
[13:43] <bjsnider> in other words, they wouldn't work even if the package was left in place
[13:43] <bjsnider> so it's no trouble to remove them
[13:47] <jbicha> also, the Debian GNOME packaging forces rebuilds when the major version changes, from 3.4 to 3.5
[13:48] <jbicha> I just uploaded a rebuild, so it should be fixed soon
[13:49] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, so if I wait a bit longer it'll get fixed properly again? Great =)
[13:50] <bjsnider> i still don't know if they'll all run, because they may have made api changes
[13:50] <nperry> Hmm I'm confused.. http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/netcfg however when I aptitude search netcfg it returns nothing :s
[13:54] <jbicha> bjsnider: oh that's probably a good point, I don't use the extensions
[13:56] <bjsnider> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell-extensions
[14:28] <jbicha> the gnome-shell-extensions developers don't bother releasing tarballs any more :(
[15:51] <M1> now that I got them graphics drivers installed, quantal is looking pretty good
[19:04] <BluesKaj> I've been receiving a "java not installed" or "upgrade to newest java" message firefox14 , is this common ?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> on firefox 14
[19:07] <micahg> BluesKaj: that should be a bug
[19:07] <micahg> unless you're running the sun java
[19:08] <BluesKaj> micahg, just checked synaptic , java-common isn't installed
[19:09] <micahg> BluesKaj: do you have icedtea6 or icedtea7 installed?
[19:09] <BluesKaj> looking
[19:10] <BluesKaj> neither
[19:10] <BluesKaj> micahg,^
[19:11] <BluesKaj> what's included in restricted-extras ?
[19:11] <micahg> icedtea-6-plugin or icedtea-7-plugin
[19:11] <micahg> neither is included in thre
[19:12] <micahg> *there
[19:13] <BluesKaj> yeah , no java at all from the description
[19:15] <micahg> hrm, it shouldn't be telling you anything about Java then
[19:15] <micahg> oh, right, it's not installed, makes sense :)
[19:15] <micahg> it should offer to install it
[21:39] <litropy> Hi, peeps. It looks like the same thing that happened for precise is now happening in quantal. Essentially, "Catalyst has not been updated to work with recent kernels." A workaround for precise was posted before the issue for precise was patched: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1969827
[21:40] <litropy> I'm just looking to get the steps updated for quantal
[21:41] <litropy> Now, there's Catalyt 12.6 as opposed to Catalyst 12.4: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Catalyst_12.6
[21:46] <litropy> I updated the code from the above ubuntuforums link, see paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1075519/
[21:47] <litropy> Please take a look and get back to me - I can't load X, and I imagine others can't, either. I'm ready to test with your guidance.
[21:48] <litropy> Another thing ... I really complicated the issue by dist-upgrade'ing. Something is going on with python, to the point where I can't even patebinit.
[21:48] <litropy> I'll try to work around that.
[21:48] <litropy> pastebinit*
[21:51] <litropy> whoops, I forgot to identify. Did my messages show up? Not sure as to this chan's rules.
[21:53] <litropy> Not to be overly meta, but just in case I was silenced, here's a paste of what I said: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1075532/
[21:54] <trism> litropy: yes your messages showed up
[21:54] <litropy> ah, tx trism
[21:56] <litropy> I just fixed a couple of errors in what I edited: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1075539/