=== hamitron is now known as ham === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [06:36] guten morgen [06:54] morning all [06:54] higgs boson day maybe http://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/play_higgs.html [07:22] #ghostscript [07:53] Morning all [08:00] hello all [08:05] Good morning peeps :) === Killerjim is now known as KillerJim [08:11] Is it out yet? [08:11] ? [08:13] Heh [08:13] diplo: UUPC [08:13] Ah :) [08:13] I'm way behind on all podcasts at the mo :/ [08:14] I caught up on Monday [08:15] But then I only listen to 1 podcast :) [08:19] I watch Jupiter Broadcasting and occasionally listen to LO [08:20] LO isn't really my thing [08:21] Or me, I use it occasionally to fill time when travelling to Nottingham [08:21] Liked Shot Of Jaq etc [08:21] hi guys, how to run this cmd at the system startup ? [08:21] sudo smbmount //192.168.1.136/share/mnt/fileserver -o username=test,password=test,rw [08:22] Songtao: I wouldn't do it like that [08:22] so how should I do ? [08:22] One moment [08:22] I just want to auto mount the window share folder when system startup [08:23] Part of the line will go in /etc/fstab, the auth information will go somewhere only root can access [08:24] Songtao: from my own /etc/fstab: //proliant/videos /media/smb/proliant/videos cifs credentials=/home/iain/.smbcredentials,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0666,dir_mode=0777 0 0 [08:24] thanks a lot, I will give it a try [08:24] In ~/.smbcredentials you have username=foo and password=bar on 2 lines [08:25] great! thanks [08:25] Because /etc/fstab can be read by any user on the system, you don't want to give away your login details [08:26] I c, thank you [08:26] Songtao: no problem, hope it works for you [08:26] good morning everyone. [08:27] Hi brobostigon [08:27] hi bigcalm [08:38] Good morning all! :) [08:38] good morning === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:03] Anyone got any recommendations for mac-mini sort of sized PCs? Ideally cheaper than the mac mini but still good enough to be worth buying? [09:04] BigRedS: http://www.mini-itx.com/ [09:04] build your own! [09:06] SuperMatt: it's for work, they want pretty [09:06] I did ponder suggesting raspberry pis, but it's for admin and so they'll need to be able to open things like openoffice [09:08] BigRedS: https://secure.dnuk.com/store/desktops.php [09:12] BigRedS: these are quite good, we use them at work: http://h40059.www4.hp.com/uk/commercial-desktops/product.php?id=A2K17ET&experience=direct [09:14] SuperMatt: yeah, I think something way smaller is wanted - something that can unobtrusively sit on a desk [09:14] that DNUK one is worth punting over, though [09:14] ta! [09:22] BigRedS : Revos ? [09:23] BigRedS: what do they want to do with it? A revo might fit the bill [09:23] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-Aspire-R3600-Desktop-Premium/dp/B0028QSIY4 [09:23] bigcalm: stick it on a desk and do admin sorts of things with it [09:23] I didn't think the R3600 was still made. There are newer models around [09:23] :) [09:24] How about a Boxee box? It's, erm, different :) [09:24] haha, different's not regarded as an especially good thing here :) [09:24] bigcalm: I googled acer aspire revo and clicked first link [09:24] :) [09:24] needs to be all customer-facing-friendly [09:25] do revos have real HDDs in them, or are they laptop ones? [09:25] 2.5" drive [09:25] Nothing wrong with that [09:25] Put in an SSD and it'll be even better [09:25] we're a hosting company, we have piles and piles of spare 3.5" ones [09:25] Does the apple tv use a 3.5" drive? [09:25] well, a pile of them [09:26] older revos have esata [09:26] I think anything Apple offer has been deemed too expensive already [09:26] I have 9 spare PATA drives. Doesn't mean I want to use them ;) [09:26] 1st gen are 2.5", 2nd and 3rd are solidstate [09:26] gord: no esata on the new ones? [09:26] no esata on the new ones [09:26] Ok [09:26] and if you want it to look as good as a mac mini, it's gonna be a mac mini. PCs have borg asthetics. you should be used to it by now :) [09:27] new ones have a better ION chip though, i think its a 200m [09:27] Yeah, I think esata might be regarded as too mini. [09:27] shauno: yeah, I think that's the problem :) [09:27] even these Dell Zinos we have which look perfectly okay to me are 'a bit ugly' [09:28] if they want something pretty tell them they have to pay for pretty [09:28] think I'll send on this list you've all sent me and see what they make of it :) [09:28] I think mac minis would be more realistic if they weren't so hard to take apart, and if they took normal disks and suchlike [09:30] any chance they'll let you redefine the question by bolting a small-form-factor underneath the desk? I think the prettiest computer is one you can't see [09:31] I don't think so - there's not a lot under these desks and there's thsi theme of attempted minimalism going on. [09:31] might be worth suggesting [09:32] just stick a 1u server in there adn be done with it :) [09:33] BigRedS, whats the machine going to be used for? [09:35] Admin stuff so I'm not really sure. OOo, Thunderbird, and a bunch of lightweight web UIs [09:35] A revo would be fine [09:35] See how they get on with a Viglen ;) [09:36] (suggested just to cause popey to highlight) [09:36] no longer highlighted [09:36] yeah, there's strong preference for somethign that takes full sized HDDs and are easy to take apart and fix [09:36] not on irssi [09:36] Aww [09:36] haha [09:36] fix!? [09:36] what is to fix? [09:36] well, tinker with under the guise of fixing [09:37] You have time and inclination to tinker with work hardware? Ug [09:37] i have a revo 3600 here with 4GB RAM and an SSD... [09:37] minimalist admin tinkerers. you're getting worryingly close to a "pick two" situation there :p [09:37] isnt hard to take apart really [09:37] http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-zino-hd-410/pd [09:37] how about one of them [09:38] not much you can tinker with, with a revo though [09:38] oh, discontinued? [09:38] yeah [09:38] I had to destroy the case for one of my USB 2.5" drives. Just to put the drive in my server :) [09:38] replace ram/hdd and wifi chip [09:38] That was a case that they didn't want me taking apart [09:39] popey: yeah, those are what we have in the nioc [09:40] *noc [09:40] the plan was to just get more until they appeared to be discontinued [09:40] wonder if you could press a chromebox into service, they're the closest macmini knockoff on the market atm ;) [09:49] popey: how'd uupc go last night, did you survive? One day I'll make it to a live recording [09:50] yeah, mild panic [09:50] audio levels were all over the place [09:50] Ooo, I look forward to hearing the recording ;) [09:51] Joint Wedding account now at £381. This needs to pick up pace if we're to be wed in the Autumn of next year [09:52] Humm, wonder if I can do a kickstarter for it [09:53] Rewards: being invited to wedding, having a chair to sit on, getting a bit of cake [09:56] howdy all [09:56] yeah why havent you invited me to your wedding yet [09:57] bigcalm: I found private jobs helped a lot [09:59] * bigcalm tickles christel [09:59] Mmm, good coffee [09:59] 3quid something for a large pack from Lidl. Really pleased with it [10:10] morning all [10:10] Morning davmor2 [10:11] bigcalm: were you singing in the shower again? [10:12] davmor2: yup :) [10:12] Stopped raining here now though [10:12] i'd love some sunshine, or rain. either really. got a new camera and want to play [10:13] anything but horrible overcast shadowless boring bleeeeh [10:14] A photographer's worst nightmare [10:14] overcast makes a nice base to add your own light to [10:16] bigcalm: that's why I ask it was coming from your direction [10:17] HEY IT IS NEARLY RAT TIME [10:18] Oh my gawd [10:19] That means it's nearly a week off work time [10:19] Which is always stressful [10:21] bigcalm: no singing on the 15th alright [10:22] Heh [10:23] bigcalm: you sing then we get another 40 days worth ;) [10:23] bigcalm: and the way things are going we'll get them all on that day too :) [10:23] davmor2: nice that you think I have such powers ;) [10:38] aww, there's this daddy long legs that flew into one of my PC case fans, looks like it broke a leg and is just kinda wriggling around on the floor now :( [10:39] natural selection in action, we will have less daddy long legs that fly into computers now, surely thats a good thing? [10:39] spose [10:39] wonder if it'll recover [10:42] get some duct tape and see if you can fix him? [10:43] haha [10:43] we can rebuild him, better, faster, stronger than before [10:43] \o/ [10:44] Azelphur: daddy long legs dont fly [10:44] oh [10:44] similar thing with wings then [10:46] Azelphur: ah, wiki says the UK calls them daddy long legs :/ [10:46] the rest of the world calls http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pholcidae daddy long legs [10:47] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120704_114528.jpg [10:47] he's chilling out on the end of a molex now xD [10:47] that doesn't look like a daddy-long-legs, it has wings. [10:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crane_fly [10:47] "In the United Kingdom, Ireland, Newfoundland and Nova Scotia they are commonly referred to as daddy longlegs" [10:48] fun [10:48] I'm surprised it didn't just get cut in half or something tbh, it flew into a massive 200mm fan and made a loud thud. [10:49] :o [10:51] that article says in the UK the crane fly is commonly referred to as a daddy longlegs, so I was right xD [10:52] My project can now receive SMS. Woot! [10:52] i say [10:53] And soon it shall be sending them as well! [10:53] yay \o/ [10:53] bigcalm: php? [10:53] dogmatic69: yus [10:53] also trust me to have sympathy for a fly xD [10:53] Azelphur: Thats a daddy long legs, I've always called them that [10:53] what provider you using? [10:54] dogmatic69: Symfony. Hooking into Oxygen8 [10:55] bigcalm: do you know what they charge? nothing on the site [10:55] dogmatic69: I have no idea. My client has set up the contracts. I'm just the developer :) [10:55] ah ok [10:55] bigcalm: they just use a REST api or something? [10:56] dogmatic69: of sorts, yep [10:56] dogmatic69: it's really simple to use [10:57] ye, I done one before but a different provider. been looking for one in the UK [11:01] Humm, 12pm. Lunch? [11:01] Shopping! [11:04] Shopping needs a ! ? [11:04] It's not a good thing [11:04] :) [11:05] depends if you are shopping for chocolate or not [11:05] diplo: shopping is awesome! [11:06] Shopping sucks, full stop [11:07] Especially if their are lot's of women talking! [11:07] Even more so if I have to take my children :) [11:08] hi guys, I got a old pc, athlon 64x2, 2.59GHz, 2 GB ram, I want to use it as development server, shall I go 64bit ubuntu server, or 32 bit ? give me some advice please [11:09] 2gb ram is it too low for 64 bit ? [11:09] shopping is best enjoyed as a solitary activity [11:09] * christel nods [11:10] Songtao: not worth it really [11:10] Unless you are thinking of upgrading ram and still then it's probably not worth it [11:11] Songtao: you probably wont notice any difference [11:11] Unless you are developing apps for 64bit server :) [11:11] Songtao: what will the production server be running if that is 64bit then run 64bit on the development server too [11:14] Songtao: if it's to be a web server for deving on, the machine should be ok. But upgrade the ram if you can [11:14] davmor2: speaking of ram. Was it okay to do the post I did to the LUG list? [11:15] bigcalm: yeah [11:15] Phew [11:16] Songtao: if you are using 64bit numbers 32bit will be pointless [11:17] production server is 32bit, yea, it is better I stuck on 32bit for dev. [11:17] it is just normal web app , [11:18] fell outdate now, just never use 64bit server [11:18] :-D [11:18] No reason not to use 64bit if the arch is 64bit [11:18] I never use 32bit [11:19] work with php all day every day [11:19] Songtao: to put it in context I have a server with 1 gig of ram chugging along on 64bit quite happily [11:22] dogmatic69: what happens when you want to deal with timestamps greater than 2038 ? [11:23] en... just found a old pc in office storage room, so decide to build a small toy for myself. it is good to clean up sometime. [11:25] that's interesting. looks like farnell are opening up the rpi to general orders (rather than register & queue) tomorrow [11:26] yeah [11:26] I just went to register and queue and the page essentially says "No. Come back tomorrow" [11:28] BigRedS: 64 bit happily goes to 285198648531-04-21 [11:28] 2038 is no problem [11:29] dogmatic69: yes, you said you used 32bit though [11:29] no [11:29] I never use 32bit [11:29] Doh, me miss-reading then :) [11:29] :) [11:30] I have been working on adding bigint support for mysql in cake [11:30] lots of fun with making 32bit work [11:33] x32 is interesting, most of your applications don't need 64bit address spaces so you might as well run them with a 32bit pointer size but with 64bit registers. gets you some great speed gains [11:35] dogmatic69: most 386 hardware wont make it to 2038 [11:37] * bigcalm tootles off for lunch and shopping [11:37] Best eat 1st :) [11:37] but a disturbing number of design decisions may [11:37] bigcalm: good thing by then we should be on 1024 bit and/or quantum pc's [11:38] Is there a way of telling Empathy or Pidgin that a contact becoming available is not a something requring a notification? [11:38] dogmatic69: yeah, or at least we'll have reinstalled the OS on the surviving x86s [11:39] BigRedS: there is sure to be a client running x86 [11:40] I got a friend that was, until a year ago, supporting a PHP.... 3 app [11:40] dogmatic69: I still am [11:41] BigRedS: there is for empathy you just unselect it in the list of notification in the setting menu [11:42] BigRedS: unselect it in the sound menu too [11:43] I can find a place to stop them making sounds, but no list of notification triggers [11:45] BigRedS: it's next to the sound tab under preferences in precise at least [11:45] yeah, this is precise [11:46] I have General, Sounds, Calls, Spell Checking and Themes tabs [11:46] or, there is a new empathy in the repos [11:47] s/or/oh/ [11:47] BigRedS: http://ubuntuone.com/7abLvmHYTVXUq7VFYom5gY [11:49] yeah, I don't have that tab [11:50] I'vejust got the new empathy, perhaps that will [11:51] yeah, still not there [11:51] oh well [11:51] I'll have a better look into it when there's less going on [11:51] BigRedS: try looking in dconf-editor you'll need dconf-tools off the top of my head [11:55] * jacobw is interested writing a puppet module to maintain dconf [11:57] davmor2: ta! I'll have a poke around in a bit [12:38] hi,any1 meet this problem, after fresh install ubuntu 12.04, the google chrome is not started [12:44] Songtao: there is no chrome on a default install :) [12:46] no, I mean, after install ubuntu, I download chrome from google, and using software centre install it, [12:47] but the chrome browser won't start [12:51] Nope, worked on the last 2 installs I've tried Songtao [12:51] Could tried loading in the terminal and see if it works from there or get any errors [12:53] nope, still not works in terminal, no error, just stop response [12:53] Songtao, strace it? [12:54] http://www.rt.com/news/rope-people-jump-video-389/ [12:54] Nutters! [12:54] Let me have a go :P [12:55] never use strace, will give it a try, thanks [13:37] * bigcalm returns [13:53] * bigcalm continues to read Learning Python and wonders when we'll get to some actual code [13:58] I just dived in and wrote some bigcalm [13:58] Albeit I'm quite stuck with a part now and google is no good [13:58] Book any good ? [13:59] diplo: I've made it to page 31. I'll let you know when it lets me do some coding ;) [14:02] bigcalm: since you can already code in other languages I'd rcommend skipping on a bit, I'm sur eyou don't need to be taught about variables and control structures (though I haven't read learning python so I suppose it is possible the start is actually useful rather the usual rehash of basic + common concepts). [14:04] ormiret: the start (so far) is mostly about the history of Python and how it works. I don't want to skip too much as I actually find this stuff interesting sometimes. Also, I know that there are basic differences between languages. So knowing how it does the basics is handy [14:10] I prefer to learn the way basic things are different by writing bugs from my misunderstanding - I remember the way it actually is better that way than reading it and remembering long enough to get things right shortly afterwards. [14:14] damn, I had 2 pc when I try to run ifconfig, it both show eth0 ip 192.168.1.22. how do I renew the ip? [14:15] I have tried ifconfig eth0 up/down [14:15] or ifup ifdown [14:18] Songtao: "sudo dhclient -r " I think [14:20] all right, I run sudo dhclient -r on one , the pc will be disconnected [14:21] but then I run ifup eth0, it will pick the same ip again? [14:22] it shouldn't unless your DHCP server is giving it the same IP again (or isn't responding, in which case it might use an old value). [14:26] en, thx [14:36] And now I can send SMS. Yay! [14:36] bigcalm: I don't believe you :P [14:36] bigcalm: writing an sms spam bot? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:36] gord: yep :) [14:36] i may have to kill you then [14:36] sorry [14:37] the world doesn't need more sms spam :( [14:37] That seems fair [14:38] It's a way for end users to put credit onto their account with a client. I really hope the client doesn't want to go down the spammy route [14:40] I do hope I typed in the correct number just now [14:42] * bigcalm drums his finders [14:42] And fingers [14:43] * BigRedS hopes bigcalm meant the plural noun and not the verb [14:43] !ohmy | BigRedS [14:43] BigRedS: Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [14:43] :P [14:44] haha! [14:50] davmor2: poke [14:51] * davmor2 snaps bigcalms stick! what? [14:51] bigcalm: oh I'm back on for thursday now woohoo [14:52] davmor2: did you get the sms? [14:52] davmor2: ah, goodo [14:52] bigcalm: indeed I was too busy to look though :D [14:53] davmor2: gah, you could have taken the time :P [14:53] davmor2: you had me worried I had the wrong number [14:53] bigcalm: well I was going to say no at first and freak you out :D [14:53] :P [14:54] * bigcalm stops playing with the client's system [15:11] Are all UK mobile numbers +44 7 ### ### ###? I need to make sure I always send the correct format to the SMS Gateway [15:12] In theory, yes, bigcalm - that was what they changed back in about 1999 [15:12] clearly there will be numbers which are forwarded etc. of course [15:13] Also, the number of digits should have been standardised then, unlike in Germany where it depends what exchange a company has as to how many digits you dial [15:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_the_United_Kingdom looks handy [15:15] bigcalm: it depends why you are interested. It's possible for mobile numbers to terminate at landline phones and vice versa [15:15] Ug [15:16] I'll try sending a text message to my land line :) [15:16] there's also the liklihood someone will give out a number with just the UK area code, but I assume that's not the issue here. [15:16] bigcalm: many will accept it [15:16] We'll see if it works from the gateway though [15:16] BT do a service where you can send to an 020 number, for example, and the recipient has it read out to them on their answerphone [15:16] bigcalm: shockingly it will work as virgin has a read you a text message [15:16] caller ID doesn't even have to use a valid number, when I call my mobile from work, it shows a 7-digit number [15:17] [Jonathan Riddell] Akademy Week Continues - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4585 [15:17] didn't they have Stephen Fry's voice reading out text messages for a while, or was it Tom Baker on the speaking clock I'm thinking of....? [15:18] The apocalypse has begun in Edinburgh, we'll be completely submerged in five minutes at the rate it's raining here. [15:19] BigRedS: You can do that to most numbers afaik [15:19] Worked on cable as well [15:19] Just text a landline and it's read out [15:19] It sent the sms to my land line ok. I have found that I need to format the number to always be 44 rather than 0. So that'll be fun [15:20] Ug. I need to write this up for my client. A fun job indeed :S [15:26] put another fan on my cpus water cooling thing, now its ambient temperature is 5 degrees lower than what it was pre fan, score! [15:28] gord: yeah but then it is flying around the room from all the fans [15:28] it only has seven! [15:29] gord: more than enough most propeller planes only have 4 :D [15:31] diplo: ah, perhaps [15:31] damn, that is quite the bomb shell cisco dropped [15:32] Wassat ? [15:32] http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/cisco-locks-customers-out-of-t.html [15:33] tl;dl auto updates required + spying + selling your data [15:33] the government will be pleased, considering they almost certainly use Cisco networking gear [15:34] dwatkins: I think virtually all servers run through cisco hardware at some point [15:35] Umm, this is home stuff [15:35] They wouldn't dare do corp stuff on ios [15:35] dogmatic69: indeed, I have an 800-series VPN router at home [15:35] This is basically linksys equipment [15:35] loads of intermediary stuff from Cisco though [15:36] yeah they couldn't wouldn't touch that dwatkins [15:36] diplo: perhaps just the start? [15:36] nah, corps would move away in a flurry [15:36] The place i ran wouldn't allow it, they would buy someone elses kit if they knew they didn't have full control [15:37] ye, that is still a huge pita [15:38] BT has dodgy stuff like this going on too [15:39] there is a backdoor in the home hubs and they keep popping in to see what is going on [15:40] I love the idea of this room full of 'technicians' sat there sshing in to people's homehubs, running ps through a few greps, shrugging, and moving on to the next guy [15:41] :/ [15:43] BigRedS: I have 5+ port scans per day on my router [15:48] yeah, I just always picture this as humans logging in and looking rather than the machine it probably is [15:48] I would not be surprised, have you called BT support o.o [15:49] pro tip for people using Google+: please add your nickname to your profiles [15:50] Myrtti: google has pretty much done away with usernames [15:50] I thought I had Myrtti :) [15:50] Added :) [15:51] dogmatic69: you can still add nicknames into the profile [15:51] case in point: https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/about [15:51] Under "other" [15:51] Myrtti: nickname? As what The Internet calls me, or some Google-specific thing? [15:51] diplo: errr [15:52] BigRedS: BigRedS [15:52] dogmatic69: ta! [15:52] it still is a way of displaying your nickname(s) and you can display it with your name up on the top, like I do [15:52] * BigRedS is a bear of simple brain [15:52] :D [15:53] holly cow, you can embed linux in a router [15:53] diplo: oh, hai, it was you [15:53] you can embed linux in lots of things [15:53] :) [15:54] but, for historical reasons, only BSD is permitted in toasters [15:54] lol [15:54] popey: Said something similar the other day, 'Oh that's you' :) [15:54] busy reading about DD-WRT, looking for ways to give BT the finger [15:54] Wondered why it hadn't said diplo in my profile but hadn't actively cheked [15:54] Sure I had done it [16:00] how to setup dns in ubuntu 12.04 cmd line ? [16:01] man resolvconf Songtao [16:01] Songtao: do you want to be a dns server or add dns server ip addresses? [16:01] And with that, it's home time [16:01] resolv.conf, only 2 line [16:01] \o/ [16:01] Catch you all later [16:02] add dns server ip [16:02] Toodles [16:02] DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN [16:02] in resolv.conf [16:02] I have setup static ip for the system, now I need to add dns server ip [16:03] Songtao: quick answer is to add "nameserver x.x.x.x" to /etc/resolv.conf. Better answer is to look at the package resolvconf: http://askubuntu.com/questions/29286/how-to-auto-add-to-etc-resolv-conf [16:04] resolv.conf.d is your friend [16:04] but currently, in resolv.conf, only 2 line: [16:04] Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8 [16:04] DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN [16:06] How come it's gone 5pm? [16:06] This just isn't on [16:07] Songtao: the file to edit is /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head [16:09]