[06:36] <jacobw> guten morgen
[06:54] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:54] <AlanBell> higgs boson day maybe http://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/play_higgs.html
[07:22] <chrisl> #ghostscript
[07:53] <diplo> Morning all
[08:00] <paulmellors> hello all
[08:05] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:11] <bigcalm> Is it out yet?
[08:11] <diplo> ?
[08:13] <bigcalm> Heh
[08:13] <bigcalm> diplo: UUPC
[08:13] <diplo> Ah :)
[08:13] <diplo> I'm way behind on all podcasts at the mo :/
[08:14] <bigcalm> I caught up on Monday
[08:15] <bigcalm> But then I only listen to 1 podcast :)
[08:19] <diplo> I watch Jupiter Broadcasting and occasionally listen to LO
[08:20] <bigcalm> LO isn't really my thing
[08:21] <diplo> Or me, I use it occasionally to fill time when travelling to Nottingham
[08:21] <diplo> Liked Shot Of Jaq etc
[08:21] <Songtao> hi guys, how to run this cmd at the system startup ?
[08:21] <Songtao> sudo smbmount //192.168.1.136/share/mnt/fileserver -o username=test,password=test,rw
[08:22] <bigcalm> Songtao: I wouldn't do it like that
[08:22] <Songtao> so how should I do ?
[08:22] <bigcalm> One moment
[08:22] <Songtao> I just want to auto mount the window share folder when system startup
[08:23] <bigcalm> Part of the line will go in /etc/fstab, the auth information will go somewhere only root can access
[08:24] <bigcalm> Songtao: from my own /etc/fstab: //proliant/videos   /media/smb/proliant/videos  cifs    credentials=/home/iain/.smbcredentials,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0666,dir_mode=0777      0       0
[08:24] <Songtao> thanks a lot, I will give it a try
[08:24] <bigcalm> In ~/.smbcredentials you have username=foo and password=bar on 2 lines
[08:25] <Songtao> great! thanks
[08:25] <bigcalm> Because /etc/fstab can be read by any user on the system, you don't want to give away your login details
[08:26] <Songtao> I c, thank you
[08:26] <bigcalm> Songtao: no problem, hope it works for you
[08:26] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:27] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon
[08:27] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm
[08:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:38] <jpowell_> good morning
[09:03] <BigRedS> Anyone got any recommendations for mac-mini sort of sized PCs? Ideally cheaper than the mac mini but still good enough to be worth buying?
[09:04] <SuperMatt> BigRedS: http://www.mini-itx.com/
[09:04] <SuperMatt> build your own!
[09:06] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: it's for work, they want pretty
[09:06] <BigRedS> I did ponder suggesting raspberry pis, but it's for admin and so they'll need to be able to open things like openoffice
[09:08] <SuperMatt> BigRedS: https://secure.dnuk.com/store/desktops.php
[09:12] <SuperMatt> BigRedS: these are quite good, we use them at work: http://h40059.www4.hp.com/uk/commercial-desktops/product.php?id=A2K17ET&experience=direct
[09:14] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: yeah, I think something way smaller is wanted - something that can unobtrusively sit on a desk
[09:14] <BigRedS> that DNUK one is worth punting over, though
[09:14] <BigRedS> ta!
[09:22] <diplo> BigRedS : Revos ?
[09:23] <bigcalm> BigRedS: what do they want to do with it? A revo might fit the bill
[09:23] <diplo> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-Aspire-R3600-Desktop-Premium/dp/B0028QSIY4
[09:23] <BigRedS> bigcalm: stick it on a desk and do admin sorts of things with it
[09:23] <bigcalm> I didn't think the R3600 was still made. There are newer models around
[09:23] <BigRedS> :)
[09:24] <bigcalm> How about a Boxee box? It's, erm, different :)
[09:24] <BigRedS> haha, different's not regarded as an especially good thing here :)
[09:24] <diplo> bigcalm: I googled acer aspire revo and clicked first link
[09:24] <diplo> :)
[09:24] <BigRedS> needs to be all customer-facing-friendly
[09:25] <BigRedS> do revos have real HDDs in them, or are they laptop ones?
[09:25] <bigcalm> 2.5" drive
[09:25] <bigcalm> Nothing wrong with that
[09:25] <bigcalm> Put in an SSD and it'll be even better
[09:25] <BigRedS> we're a hosting company, we have piles and piles of spare 3.5" ones
[09:25] <bigcalm> Does the apple tv use a 3.5" drive?
[09:25] <BigRedS> well, a pile of them
[09:26] <gord> older revos have esata
[09:26] <BigRedS> I think anything Apple offer has been deemed too expensive already
[09:26] <bigcalm> I have 9 spare PATA drives. Doesn't mean I want to use them ;)
[09:26] <shauno> 1st gen are 2.5", 2nd and 3rd are solidstate
[09:26] <bigcalm> gord: no esata on the new ones?
[09:26] <gord> no esata on the new ones
[09:26] <bigcalm> Ok
[09:26] <shauno> and if you want it to look as good as a mac mini, it's gonna be a mac mini.  PCs have borg asthetics.  you should be used to it by now :)
[09:27] <gord> new ones have a better ION chip though, i think its a 200m
[09:27] <BigRedS> Yeah, I think esata might be regarded as too mini.
[09:27] <BigRedS> shauno: yeah, I think that's the problem :)
[09:27] <BigRedS> even these Dell Zinos we have which look perfectly okay to me are 'a bit ugly'
[09:28] <gord> if they want something pretty tell them they have to pay for pretty
[09:28] <BigRedS> think I'll send on this list you've all sent me and see what they make of it :)
[09:28] <BigRedS> I think mac minis would be more realistic if they weren't so hard to take apart, and if they took normal disks and suchlike
[09:30] <shauno> any chance they'll let you redefine the question by bolting a small-form-factor underneath the desk?  I think the prettiest computer is one you can't see
[09:31] <BigRedS> I don't think so - there's not a lot under these desks and there's thsi theme of attempted minimalism going on.
[09:31] <BigRedS> might be worth suggesting
[09:32] <BigRedS> just stick a 1u server in there adn be done with it :)
[09:33] <popey> BigRedS, whats the machine going to be used for?
[09:35] <BigRedS> Admin stuff so I'm not really sure. OOo, Thunderbird, and a bunch of lightweight web UIs
[09:35] <bigcalm> A revo would be fine
[09:35] <bigcalm> See how they get on with a Viglen ;)
[09:36] <bigcalm> (suggested just to cause popey to highlight)
[09:36] <popey> no longer highlighted
[09:36] <BigRedS> yeah, there's strong preference for somethign that takes full sized HDDs and are easy to take apart and fix
[09:36] <popey> not on irssi
[09:36] <bigcalm> Aww
[09:36] <BigRedS> haha
[09:36] <popey> fix!?
[09:36] <popey> what is to fix?
[09:36] <BigRedS> well, tinker with under the guise of fixing
[09:37] <bigcalm> You have time and inclination to tinker with work hardware? Ug
[09:37] <popey> i have a revo 3600 here with 4GB RAM and an SSD...
[09:37] <shauno> minimalist admin tinkerers.  you're getting worryingly close to a "pick two" situation there :p
[09:37] <popey> isnt hard to take apart really
[09:37] <popey> http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-zino-hd-410/pd
[09:37] <popey> how about one of them
[09:38] <gord> not much you can tinker with, with a revo though
[09:38] <popey> oh, discontinued?
[09:38] <popey> yeah
[09:38] <bigcalm> I had to destroy the case for one of my USB 2.5" drives. Just to put the drive in my server :)
[09:38] <popey> replace ram/hdd and wifi chip
[09:38] <bigcalm> That was a case that they didn't want me taking apart
[09:39] <BigRedS> popey: yeah, those are what we have in the nioc
[09:40] <BigRedS> *noc
[09:40] <BigRedS> the plan was to just get more until they appeared to be discontinued
[09:40] <shauno> wonder if you could press a chromebox into service, they're the closest macmini knockoff on the market atm ;)
[09:49] <bigcalm> popey: how'd uupc go last night, did you survive? One day I'll make it to a live recording
[09:50] <popey> yeah, mild panic
[09:50] <popey> audio levels were all over the place
[09:50] <bigcalm> Ooo, I look forward to hearing the recording ;)
[09:51] <bigcalm> Joint Wedding account now at £381. This needs to pick up pace if we're to be wed in the Autumn of next year
[09:52] <bigcalm> Humm, wonder if I can do a kickstarter for it
[09:53] <bigcalm> Rewards: being invited to wedding, having a chair to sit on, getting a bit of cake
[09:56] <andylockran> howdy all
[09:56] <christel> yeah why havent you invited me to your wedding yet
[09:57] <diplo> bigcalm: I found private jobs helped a lot
[09:59]  * bigcalm tickles christel 
[09:59] <bigcalm> Mmm, good coffee
[09:59] <bigcalm> 3quid something for a large pack from Lidl. Really pleased with it
[10:10] <davmor2> morning all
[10:10] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: were you singing in the shower again?
[10:12] <bigcalm> davmor2: yup :)
[10:12] <bigcalm> Stopped raining here now though
[10:12] <gord> i'd love some sunshine, or rain. either really. got a new camera and want to play
[10:13] <gord> anything but horrible overcast shadowless boring bleeeeh
[10:14] <bigcalm> A photographer's worst nightmare
[10:14] <ormiret> overcast makes a nice base to add your own light to
[10:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's why I ask it was coming from your direction
[10:17] <christel> HEY IT IS NEARLY RAT TIME
[10:18] <bigcalm> Oh my gawd
[10:19] <bigcalm> That means it's nearly a week off work time
[10:19] <bigcalm> Which is always stressful
[10:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: no singing on the 15th alright
[10:22] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: you sing then we get another 40 days worth ;)
[10:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: and the way things are going we'll get them all on that day too :)
[10:23] <bigcalm> davmor2: nice that you think I have such powers ;)
[10:38] <Azelphur> aww, there's this daddy long legs that flew into one of my PC case fans, looks like it broke a leg and is just kinda wriggling around on the floor now :(
[10:39] <gord> natural selection in action, we will have less daddy long legs that fly into computers now, surely thats a good thing?
[10:39] <Azelphur> spose
[10:39] <Azelphur> wonder if it'll recover
[10:42] <shauno> get some duct tape and see if you can fix him?
[10:43] <Azelphur> haha
[10:43] <gord> we can rebuild him, better, faster, stronger than before
[10:43] <Azelphur> \o/
[10:44] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: daddy long legs dont fly
[10:44] <Azelphur> oh
[10:44] <Azelphur> similar thing with wings then
[10:46] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: ah, wiki says the UK calls them daddy long legs :/
[10:46] <dogmatic69> the rest of the world calls http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pholcidae daddy long legs
[10:47] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120704_114528.jpg
[10:47] <Azelphur> he's chilling out on the end of a molex now xD
[10:47] <dwatkins> that doesn't look like a daddy-long-legs, it has wings.
[10:47] <dogmatic69> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crane_fly
[10:47] <dogmatic69> "In the United Kingdom, Ireland, Newfoundland and Nova Scotia they are commonly referred to as daddy longlegs"
[10:48] <Azelphur> fun
[10:48] <Azelphur> I'm surprised it didn't just get cut in half or something tbh, it flew into a massive 200mm fan and made a loud thud.
[10:49] <christel> :o
[10:51] <Azelphur> that article says in the UK the crane fly is commonly referred to as a daddy longlegs, so I was right xD
[10:52] <bigcalm> My project can now receive SMS. Woot!
[10:52] <christel> i say
[10:53] <bigcalm> And soon it shall be sending them as well!
[10:53] <Azelphur> yay \o/
[10:53] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: php?
[10:53] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: yus
[10:53] <Azelphur> also trust me to have sympathy for a fly xD
[10:53] <DJones> Azelphur: Thats a daddy long legs, I've always called them that
[10:53] <dogmatic69> what provider you using?
[10:54] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: Symfony. Hooking into Oxygen8
[10:55] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: do you know what they charge? nothing on the site
[10:55] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: I have no idea. My client has set up the contracts. I'm just the developer :)
[10:55] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[10:55] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: they just use a REST api or something?
[10:56] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: of sorts, yep
[10:56] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: it's really simple to use
[10:57] <dogmatic69> ye, I done one before but a different provider. been looking for one in the UK
[11:01] <bigcalm> Humm, 12pm. Lunch?
[11:01] <bigcalm> Shopping!
[11:04] <diplo> Shopping needs a ! ?
[11:04] <diplo> It's not a good thing
[11:04] <diplo> :)
[11:05] <gord> depends if you are shopping for chocolate or not
[11:05] <dogmatic69> diplo: shopping is awesome!
[11:06] <diplo> Shopping sucks, full stop
[11:07] <diplo> Especially if their are lot's of women talking!
[11:07] <diplo> Even more so if I have to take my children :)
[11:08] <Songtao> hi guys, I got a old pc, athlon 64x2, 2.59GHz, 2 GB ram, I want to use it as development server, shall I go 64bit ubuntu server, or 32 bit ? give me some advice please
[11:09] <Songtao> 2gb ram is it too low for 64 bit ?
[11:09] <christel> shopping is best enjoyed as a solitary activity
[11:09]  * christel nods
[11:10] <diplo> Songtao: not worth it really
[11:10] <diplo> Unless you are thinking of upgrading ram and still then it's probably not worth it
[11:11] <BigRedS> Songtao: you probably wont notice any difference
[11:11] <diplo> Unless you are developing apps for 64bit server :)
[11:11] <davmor2> Songtao: what will the production server be running if that is 64bit then run 64bit on the development server too
[11:14] <bigcalm> Songtao: if it's to be a web server for deving on, the machine should be ok. But upgrade the ram if you can
[11:14] <bigcalm> davmor2: speaking of ram. Was it okay to do the post I did to the LUG list?
[11:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah
[11:15] <bigcalm> Phew
[11:16] <dogmatic69> Songtao: if you are using 64bit numbers 32bit will be pointless
[11:17] <Songtao> production server is 32bit,  yea, it is better I stuck on 32bit for dev.
[11:17] <Songtao> it is just normal web app ,
[11:18] <Songtao> fell outdate now, just never use 64bit server
[11:18] <Songtao> :-D
[11:18] <bigcalm> No reason not to use 64bit if the arch is 64bit
[11:18] <dogmatic69> I never use 32bit
[11:19] <dogmatic69> work with php all day every day
[11:19] <davmor2> Songtao: to put it in context I have a server with 1 gig of ram chugging along on 64bit quite happily
[11:22] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: what happens when you want to deal with timestamps greater than 2038 ?
[11:23] <Songtao> en... just found a old pc in office storage room, so decide to build a small toy for myself.  it is good to clean up sometime.
[11:25] <shauno> that's interesting.  looks like farnell are opening up the rpi to general orders (rather than register & queue) tomorrow
[11:26] <BigRedS> yeah
[11:26] <BigRedS> I just went to register and queue and the page essentially says "No. Come back tomorrow"
[11:28] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: 64 bit happily goes to 285198648531-04-21
[11:28] <dogmatic69> 2038 is no problem
[11:29] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: yes, you said you used 32bit though
[11:29] <dogmatic69> no
 I never use 32bit
[11:29] <bigcalm> Doh, me miss-reading then :)
[11:29] <dogmatic69> :)
[11:30] <dogmatic69> I have been working on adding bigint support for mysql in cake
[11:30] <dogmatic69> lots of fun with making 32bit work
[11:33] <gord> x32 is interesting, most of your applications don't need 64bit address spaces so you might as well run them with a 32bit pointer size but with 64bit registers. gets you some great speed gains
[11:35] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: most 386 hardware wont make it to 2038
[11:37]  * bigcalm tootles off for lunch and shopping
[11:37] <bigcalm> Best eat 1st :)
[11:37] <shauno> but a disturbing number of design decisions may
[11:37] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: good thing by then we should be on 1024 bit and/or quantum pc's
[11:38] <BigRedS> Is there a way of telling Empathy or Pidgin that a contact becoming available is not a something requring a notification?
[11:38] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: yeah, or at least we'll have reinstalled the OS on the surviving x86s
[11:39] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: there is sure to be a client running x86
[11:40] <dogmatic69> I got a friend that was, until a year ago, supporting a PHP.... 3 app
[11:40] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: I still am
[11:41] <davmor2> BigRedS: there is for empathy you just unselect it in the list of notification in the setting menu
[11:42] <davmor2> BigRedS: unselect it in the sound menu too
[11:43] <BigRedS> I can find a place to stop them making sounds, but no list of notification triggers
[11:45] <davmor2> BigRedS: it's next to the sound tab under preferences in precise at least
[11:45] <BigRedS> yeah, this is precise
[11:46] <BigRedS> I have General, Sounds, Calls, Spell Checking and Themes tabs
[11:46] <BigRedS> or, there is a new empathy in the repos
[11:47] <BigRedS> s/or/oh/
[11:47] <davmor2> BigRedS: http://ubuntuone.com/7abLvmHYTVXUq7VFYom5gY
[11:49] <BigRedS> yeah, I don't have that tab
[11:50] <BigRedS> I'vejust got the new empathy, perhaps that will
[11:51] <BigRedS> yeah, still not there
[11:51] <BigRedS> oh well
[11:51] <BigRedS> I'll have a better look into it when there's less going on
[11:51] <davmor2> BigRedS: try looking in dconf-editor you'll need dconf-tools off the top of my head
[11:55]  * jacobw is interested writing a puppet module to maintain dconf
[11:57] <BigRedS> davmor2: ta! I'll have a poke around in a bit
[12:38] <Songtao> hi,any1 meet this problem, after fresh install ubuntu 12.04, the google chrome is not started
[12:44] <davmor2> Songtao: there is no chrome on a default install :)
[12:46] <Songtao> no, I mean, after install ubuntu, I download chrome from google, and using software centre install it,
[12:47] <Songtao> but the chrome browser won't start
[12:51] <diplo> Nope, worked on the last 2 installs I've tried Songtao
[12:51] <diplo> Could tried loading in the terminal and see if it works from there or get any errors
[12:53] <Songtao> nope, still not works in terminal, no error, just stop response
[12:53] <popey> Songtao, strace it?
[12:54] <diplo> http://www.rt.com/news/rope-people-jump-video-389/
[12:54] <diplo> Nutters!
[12:54] <diplo> Let me have a go :P
[12:55] <Songtao> never use strace, will give it a try, thanks
[13:37]  * bigcalm returns
[13:53]  * bigcalm continues to read Learning Python and wonders when we'll get to some actual code
[13:58] <diplo> I just dived in and wrote some bigcalm
[13:58] <diplo> Albeit I'm quite stuck with a part now and google is no good
[13:58] <diplo> Book any good ?
[13:59] <bigcalm> diplo: I've made it to page 31. I'll let you know when it lets me do some coding ;)
[14:02] <ormiret> bigcalm: since you can already code in other languages I'd rcommend skipping on a bit, I'm sur eyou don't need to be taught about variables and control structures (though I haven't read learning python so I suppose it is possible the start is actually useful rather the usual rehash of basic + common concepts).
[14:04] <bigcalm> ormiret: the start (so far) is mostly about the history of Python and how it works. I don't want to skip too much as I actually find this stuff interesting sometimes. Also, I know that there are basic differences between languages. So knowing how it does the basics is handy
[14:10] <ormiret> I prefer to learn the way basic things are different by writing bugs from my misunderstanding - I remember the way it actually is better that way than reading it and remembering long enough to get things right shortly afterwards.
[14:14] <Songtao> damn, I had 2 pc when I try to run ifconfig, it both show eth0 ip 192.168.1.22. how do I renew the ip?
[14:15] <Songtao> I have tried ifconfig eth0 up/down
[14:15] <Songtao> or ifup ifdown
[14:18] <ormiret> Songtao: "sudo dhclient -r " I think
[14:20] <Songtao> all right, I run sudo dhclient -r on one , the pc will be disconnected
[14:21] <Songtao> but then I run ifup eth0, it will pick the same ip again?
[14:22] <ormiret> it shouldn't unless your DHCP server is giving it the same IP again (or isn't responding, in which case it might use an old value).
[14:26] <Songtao> en, thx
[14:36] <bigcalm> And now I can send SMS. Yay!
[14:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: I don't believe you :P
[14:36] <gord> bigcalm: writing an sms spam bot?
[14:36] <bigcalm> gord: yep :)
[14:36] <gord> i may have to kill you then
[14:36] <gord> sorry
[14:37] <gord> the world doesn't need more sms spam :(
[14:37] <bigcalm> That seems fair
[14:38] <bigcalm> It's a way for end users to put credit onto their account with a client. I really hope the client doesn't want to go down the spammy route
[14:40] <bigcalm> I do hope I typed in the correct number just now
[14:42]  * bigcalm drums his finders
[14:42] <bigcalm> And fingers
[14:43]  * BigRedS hopes bigcalm meant the plural noun and not the verb
[14:43] <bigcalm> !ohmy | BigRedS
[14:43] <bigcalm> :P
[14:44] <BigRedS> haha!
[14:50] <bigcalm> davmor2: poke
[14:51]  * davmor2 snaps bigcalms stick! what?
[14:51] <davmor2> bigcalm: oh I'm back on for thursday now woohoo
[14:52] <bigcalm> davmor2: did you get the sms?
[14:52] <bigcalm> davmor2: ah, goodo
[14:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: indeed I was too busy to look though :D
[14:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: gah, you could have taken the time :P
[14:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: you had me worried I had the wrong number
[14:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: well I was going to say no at first and freak you out :D
[14:53] <bigcalm> :P
[14:54]  * bigcalm stops playing with the client's system
[15:11] <bigcalm> Are all UK mobile numbers +44 7 ### ### ###? I need to make sure I always send the correct format to the SMS Gateway
[15:12] <dwatkins> In theory, yes, bigcalm - that was what they changed back in about 1999
[15:12] <dwatkins> clearly there will be numbers which are forwarded etc. of course
[15:13] <dwatkins> Also, the number of digits should have been standardised then, unlike in Germany where it depends what exchange a company has as to how many digits you dial
[15:14] <dwatkins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_the_United_Kingdom looks handy
[15:15] <BigRedS> bigcalm: it depends why you are interested. It's possible for mobile numbers to terminate at landline phones and vice versa
[15:15] <bigcalm> Ug
[15:16] <bigcalm> I'll try sending a text message to my land line :)
[15:16] <dwatkins> there's also the liklihood someone will give out a number with just the UK area code, but I assume that's not the issue here.
[15:16] <BigRedS> bigcalm: many will accept it
[15:16] <bigcalm> We'll see if it works from the gateway though
[15:16] <BigRedS> BT do a service where you can send to an 020 number, for example, and the recipient has it read out to them on their answerphone
[15:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: shockingly it will work as virgin has a read you a text message
[15:16] <dwatkins> caller ID doesn't even have to use a valid number, when I call my mobile from work, it shows a 7-digit number
[15:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Akademy Week Continues - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4585
[15:17] <dwatkins> didn't they have Stephen Fry's voice reading out text messages for a while, or was it Tom Baker on the speaking clock I'm thinking of....?
[15:18] <dwatkins> The apocalypse has begun in Edinburgh, we'll be completely submerged in five minutes at the rate it's raining here.
[15:19] <diplo> BigRedS: You can do that to most numbers afaik
[15:19] <diplo> Worked on cable as well
[15:19] <diplo> Just text a landline and it's read out
[15:19] <bigcalm> It sent the sms to my land line ok. I have found that I need to format the number to always be 44 rather than 0. So that'll be fun
[15:20] <bigcalm> Ug. I need to write this up for my client. A fun job indeed :S
[15:26] <gord> put another fan on my cpus water cooling thing, now its ambient temperature is 5 degrees lower than what it was pre fan, score!
[15:28] <davmor2> gord: yeah but then it is flying around the room from all the fans
[15:28] <gord> it only has seven!
[15:29] <davmor2> gord: more than enough most propeller planes only have 4 :D
[15:31] <BigRedS> diplo: ah, perhaps
[15:31] <dogmatic69> damn, that is quite the bomb shell cisco dropped
[15:32] <diplo> Wassat ?
[15:32] <dogmatic69> http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/cisco-locks-customers-out-of-t.html
[15:33] <dogmatic69> tl;dl auto updates required + spying + selling your data
[15:33] <dwatkins> the government will be pleased, considering they almost certainly use Cisco networking gear
[15:34] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: I think virtually all servers run through cisco hardware at some point
[15:35] <diplo> Umm, this is home stuff
[15:35] <diplo> They wouldn't dare do corp stuff on ios
[15:35] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: indeed, I have an 800-series VPN router at home
[15:35] <diplo> This is basically linksys equipment
[15:35] <dwatkins> loads of intermediary stuff from Cisco though
[15:36] <diplo> yeah they couldn't wouldn't touch that dwatkins
[15:36] <dogmatic69> diplo: perhaps just the start?
[15:36] <diplo> nah, corps would move away in a flurry
[15:36] <diplo> The place i ran wouldn't allow it, they would buy someone elses kit if they knew they didn't have full control
[15:37] <dogmatic69> ye, that is still a huge pita
[15:38] <dogmatic69> BT has dodgy stuff like this going on too
[15:39] <dogmatic69> there is a backdoor in the home hubs and they keep popping in to see what is going on
[15:40] <BigRedS> I love the idea of this room full of 'technicians' sat there sshing in to people's homehubs, running ps through a few greps, shrugging, and moving on to the next guy
[15:41] <dogmatic69> :/
[15:43] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: I have 5+ port scans per day on my router
[15:48] <BigRedS> yeah, I just always picture this as humans logging in and looking rather than the machine it probably is
[15:48] <dogmatic69> I would not be surprised, have you called BT support o.o
[15:49] <Myrtti> pro tip for people using Google+: please add your nickname to your profiles
[15:50] <dogmatic69> Myrtti: google has pretty much done away with usernames
[15:50] <diplo> I thought I had Myrtti :)
[15:50] <diplo> Added :)
[15:51] <Myrtti> dogmatic69: you can still add nicknames into the profile
[15:51] <Myrtti> case in point: https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/about
[15:51] <diplo> Under "other"
[15:51] <BigRedS> Myrtti: nickname? As what The Internet calls me, or some Google-specific thing?
[15:51] <Myrtti> diplo: errr
[15:52] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: BigRedS
[15:52] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: ta!
[15:52] <Myrtti> it still is a way of displaying your nickname(s) and you can display it with your name up on the top, like I do
[15:52]  * BigRedS is a bear of simple brain
[15:52] <dogmatic69> :D
[15:53] <dogmatic69> holly cow, you can embed linux in a router
[15:53] <Myrtti> diplo: oh, hai, it was you
[15:53] <BigRedS> you can embed linux in lots of things
[15:53] <diplo> :)
[15:54] <BigRedS> but, for historical reasons, only BSD is permitted in toasters
[15:54] <dogmatic69> lol
[15:54] <diplo> popey: Said something similar the other day, 'Oh that's you' :)
[15:54] <dogmatic69> busy reading about DD-WRT, looking for ways to give BT the finger
[15:54] <diplo> Wondered why it hadn't said diplo in my profile but hadn't actively cheked
[15:54] <diplo> Sure I had done it
[16:00] <Songtao> how to setup dns in ubuntu 12.04 cmd line ?
[16:01] <diplo> man resolvconf Songtao
[16:01] <bigcalm> Songtao: do you want to be a dns server or add dns server ip addresses?
[16:01] <diplo> And with that, it's home time
[16:01] <Songtao> resolv.conf, only 2 line
[16:01] <diplo> \o/
[16:01] <diplo> Catch you all later
[16:02] <Songtao> add dns server ip
[16:02] <bigcalm> Toodles
[16:02] <Songtao> DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[16:02] <Songtao> in resolv.conf
[16:02] <Songtao> I have setup static ip for the system, now I need to add dns server ip
[16:03] <bigcalm> Songtao: quick answer is to add "nameserver x.x.x.x" to /etc/resolv.conf. Better answer is to look at the package resolvconf: http://askubuntu.com/questions/29286/how-to-auto-add-to-etc-resolv-conf
[16:04] <AlanBell> resolv.conf.d is your friend
[16:04] <Songtao> but currently, in resolv.conf, only 2 line:
[16:04] <Songtao> Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8
[16:04] <Songtao> DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[16:06] <bigcalm> How come it's gone 5pm?
[16:06] <bigcalm> This just isn't on
[16:07] <AlanBell> Songtao: the file to edit is /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[16:09] <Songtao> thx, but,  the same message displayed : in  head file
[16:09] <Songtao> DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[16:09] <AlanBell> ah, well that message is lying I think
[16:10] <Songtao> under /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d folder
[16:10] <bigcalm> Maybe that's where the message in /etc/resolv.conf comes from
[16:10] <AlanBell> http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[16:10] <Songtao> there are another 2 files, base and origianl
[16:10] <Songtao> base file is empty
[16:11] <AlanBell> read the stgraber article, it explains everything
[16:11] <bigcalm> Songtao: the URI that AlanBell pasted will explain what you need to do :)
[16:11] <Songtao> but original got "nameserver 192.168.1.1 "
[16:11] <Songtao> thanks a lot, have a look now
[16:17] <Songtao> got it, works now, thanks everyone
[16:18] <AlanBell> was I right about the message in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head being a lie?
[16:18] <AlanBell> someone should file a bug about that probably (unless I am wrong)
[16:20] <Songtao> I didn't do it that way, I edit /etc/network/interfaces, and add "dns-nameservers", because I setup static ip in this file anyway
[16:24] <davmor2> AlanBell, bigcalm: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html the "dns-nameservers" is the recommended way according the the official server guide :)
[16:27] <AlanBell> yeah, says that in the stgraber article too, but you can also stuff things in head I think (which would apply for all interfaces)
[16:32] <bigcalm> Yep, but nice to know you can do it per interface via networking
[16:33] <AlanBell> yeah, and as maco pointed out in the comments that is really cool for VPNs
[16:35] <bigcalm> In PHP, is there a quick way to remove all non-digits from a string?
[16:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: yes but I'm not telling you muhahahahahahahahaha (no idea really :) )
[16:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: there is in python but python rocks
[16:39]  * popey is spending his evening testing out new unity and compiz packages 
[16:48] <davmor2> popey: oh aren't you mr excitement, I did a mini.iso install today because ubiquity/linux combo hates my webcam
[16:49]  * BigRedS just wrote half a KB of one-liner that generates a script :)
[16:54] <bigcalm> popey: who is editing last night's UUPC then?
[16:54] <popey> we dont edit :p
[16:55] <popey> however I do need to top and tail it and release it
[16:55] <popey> busy busy busy
[16:55] <popey> never get my lens finished ;(
[16:57] <bigcalm> Noooo :(
[16:58]  * bigcalm learns Python
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> a\o/
[17:00] <Songtao> bigcalm, has you try regx
[17:05] <gord> fantastic idea for a lens i don't want to spend time making but someone else should: minesweeper lens
[17:12] <bigcalm> gord: how would it work?
[17:12] <gord> just throw up a grid of results, set the icons to be a not clicked yet tile, when one gets activated see if its a mine or not, change the results accordingly
[17:13] <bigcalm> gord: you use the term "just" in the same way my clients do. It's very disturbing
[17:20] <bigcalm> Din-dins!
[18:21]  * bigcalm returns
[18:22] <Flashtek> w/b
[21:01] <bigcalm> It's all go in here tonight :)
[21:03] <popey> :D
[21:03] <popey> I was thinking the same
[21:06] <ahayzen> Hi, quick question(s), is it preferred for applications to store their settings under ~/.app or ~/.config/app ? also is there anywhere to refer to for this sort of information?
[21:11] <popey> ahayzen, .config/app
[21:11] <bigcalm> popey: what shall we do then?
[21:11] <popey> there's a spec about it
[21:11] <ahayzen> popey, thanks
[21:11] <popey> bigcalm, early night for me, maybe code in the morning with fresh eyes :(
[21:11] <bigcalm> popey: ah, a fresh start is always good
[21:11] <popey> ahayzen, https://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/XDGConfigFolders
[21:12] <ahayzen> popey, thanks again :)
[21:12] <popey> hmm, not ideal page
[21:12] <popey> but you get the idea :D
[21:12] <bigcalm> Time for a podcast!
[21:12] <popey> google xdg config
[21:12] <ahayzen> so why do some apps store them in ~/.app ? is that an old standard or misuse or something?
[21:13] <popey> yeah
[21:14] <popey> basically :)
[21:14] <ahayzen> :)
[21:14] <popey> nn all
[21:14] <bigcalm> Toodles
[21:15]  * bigcalm notices a lack of mention at the beginning of podcast :(
[21:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S05E10  The Tale of the Pie and the Patty Pan - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2012/07/04/s05e10-the-tale-of-the-pie-and-the-patty-pan/
[21:27] <AlanBell> http://www.ebuyer.com/388470-zoostorm-laptop-7873-9037 operating system free laptop
[21:33] <bigcalm> Ooo
[23:10] <ali1234> 8GB ram and 500GB HD for under £300
[23:10] <ali1234> that's amazing
[23:10] <Azelphur> A full PC?
[23:11] <ali1234> a laptop
[23:11] <Azelphur> link? o.O
[23:11] <ali1234> http://www.ebuyer.com/388470-zoostorm-laptop-7873-9037
[23:11] <Azelphur> yay for zoostorm
[23:11] <Azelphur> that CPU is horribad
[23:11] <ali1234> i dont know what pentium B960 means
[23:11] <Azelphur> there again quite cheap
[23:11] <ali1234> but yeah
[23:11] <Azelphur> it means crap
[23:11] <ali1234> i guessed it would suck
[23:12] <ali1234> it's intel so i bet it doesn't do VX
[23:12] <ali1234> which means the 8GB is wasted anyway
[23:12] <Azelphur> it benches lower than a core 2 duo T9800 @ 2.93ghz
[23:12] <ali1234> are they the same socket?
[23:13] <Azelphur> dunno
[23:13] <ali1234> that's obviously a low end laptop chip for email wizards
[23:13] <Azelphur> indeed
[23:13] <ali1234> i don't care about speed but i need VX
[23:13] <Azelphur> the ram is just a waste with that cpu xD
[23:13] <Azelphur> what's VX?
[23:13] <ali1234> hardware virtualization
[23:13] <ali1234> maybe zoostorm will make a AMD one
[23:14]  * Azelphur shrugs
[23:15] <ali1234> anywhoo that's a pretty good laptop for the price, even if the CPU sucks
[23:15] <dogmatic69> ali1234: that is well under 300
[23:15] <dogmatic69> I was expecting 298.99
[23:18] <dogmatic69> that is a shame, "Ebuyer recommends using genuine Microsoft Software and is Windows 7 "
[23:19] <ali1234> yeah well, if need to be told that you shouldn't be buying a computer with no OS
[23:19] <ali1234> i don't really care what ebuyer recommend :)
[23:20] <dogmatic69> great they dont 'force' windows on you though