[00:19] <jrwren> alright, I'm reading up on openstack, and I think this is overkill for my needs.
[00:19] <jrwren> is there something that does a bit more management than invoking kvm myself, but doesn't go huge giant management of openstack?
[00:22] <jrwren> virsh i guess.
[00:27] <rick_h_> jrwren: did the virtualenv wrapper thing ever get kvm support?
[00:27] <rick_h_> I thought it was going to add it, blanking on the name now
[00:27] <rick_h_> vagrant
[01:02] <jrwren> not sure.
[01:02] <jrwren> i don't need it for python so much as just alternative to ESXi
[01:11] <snap-l> I didn't know Netflix supported Paypal
[01:11] <snap-l> Yay
[01:19] <gamerchick02> they do?
[01:19] <gamerchick02> that's pretty cool
[01:48] <rick_h_> I think this is officially the most retarded article I've read this month: http://goo.gl/sSMte
[01:48] <rick_h_> and color schemes in irssi sucks...
[01:53] <jrwren> rick_h_: yup, that is dumb. apple is not making a 7". when will people learn.
[01:55] <rick_h_> I meant more "So someone said they might release something, in Oct, that's 7" or maybe 8", and it'll be cheaper...and it's Google's worst nightmare!!!!! buwhahahaha
[02:09] <rick_h_> can someone /nick highlight me pls?
[03:09] <snap-l> rick_h_: Figures. :)
[03:09] <snap-l> That's when everyone goes AFK
[03:12] <jrwren> what do you mean /nick highlight you?
[03:12] <jrwren> you mean like rick_h_ ?
[03:12] <jrwren> "say my name!"
[03:13] <tony-smlr>  "/me"
[03:13]  * tony-smlr hello world
[11:16] <rick_h_> morning
[13:06] <_stink_> i suspect the availability of fireworks in-state this year made it a louder night last night
[13:06] <_stink_> sounded like a war zone
[13:13] <rick_h_> yea, was rough
[13:13] <rick_h_> took sleeping meds
[13:52] <snap-l> Happy Higgs-Boson-like day.
[13:53] <rick_h_> yea, ok so I'm not the only one that read it that way?
[13:54] <rick_h_> "oh...the odds are in our favor that with continued work we have the great Higgs
[13:56] <snap-l> "We've managed to find a particle that acts like a Higgs, within relative certainty, but we need your help
[13:57] <snap-l> "This particle still needs your help to be found
[13:57] <rick_h_> right, "for just $1 a day...you can help find our long lost particle. Can you afford not to give?"
[13:57] <snap-l> "Send your check or money order to the adress on your screen
[13:58] <snap-l> But seriously, this is pretty huge
[13:59] <snap-l> I can already feel the science reconfiguring itself.
[13:59] <rick_h_> stuff like this is what cracks me up "Now technically, thatâs all the physicists can say: the particle is definitely there. But is it the Higgs? Well, to be fair, they canât actually say that. But if it walks like a Higgs, looks like a Higgs, and quacks like a Higgsâ¦ yeah.Now technically, thatâs all the physicists can say: the particle is definitely there. But is it the Higgs? Well, to be fair, they canâ
[14:04] <snap-l> rick_h_: As a Python developer, I am shocked at your lack of faith in duck-typing the Higgs.
[14:04] <rick_h_> yea, but when you duck type you call it by what it's ducking...not a specific name
[14:04] <rick_h_> "This takes a boson...do you act/quack like a boson? ok you're in"
[14:05] <snap-l> rick_h_: Are you sure you want JoDee at CHC? You might be wearing that pie.
[14:05] <snap-l> _stink_: You're coming to CHC and doing a presentation. We have a whiteboard.
[14:06] <rick_h_> what? why would I wear the pie?
[14:07] <snap-l> rick_h_: Trust me, it's a touchy subject.
[14:07] <rick_h_> the Higgs business? Or pie?
[14:08] <snap-l> "Technically, Physicists can't proove gravity either"
[14:08] <snap-l> s/proove/prove/
[14:09] <jrwren> who quoted that.
[14:09] <jrwren> that is a foolish statement.
[14:09] <jrwren> gravity has never been disprooven.
[14:09] <jrwren> Physicists can't EXPLAIN gravity
[14:10] <jrwren> but its prooven.
[14:10] <snap-l> jrwren: I'm paraphrasing
[14:10] <snap-l> understand: I am not a physicist
[14:10] <jrwren> ah.
[14:10] <snap-l> but I live with one
[14:10] <snap-l> and am married to one
[14:10] <jrwren> physics minor & too much startalk listener here.
[14:10] <rick_h_> isn't that what this Mr. Higgs thing is helping with? Explaining the invisible forces out there?
[14:10] <snap-l> and if I keep up with these Higgs Boson cracks, I will be snuffed out in my sleep by one. :)
[14:11] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yes, that's the idea
[14:13] <jrwren> if we find gravitons, i'll be giddy like a school girl going to the mall with her friends to meet the boy she likes.
[14:14] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, well, LIGO isn't going to find them
[14:14] <snap-l> LISA would have a better shot.
[14:16] <jrwren> yeah, i just meant in general.
[14:17] <jrwren> then we could be the ansible.
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[14:17] <rick_h_> awesome
[14:17] <snap-l> Yeah, this sounds completely legit
[14:17] <jrwren> its sounds like indianenglish
[14:19] <snap-l> Too bad Wolfger isn't online
[14:19] <snap-l> could have wished him a Happy Birthday.
[14:19] <rick_h_> OMG  OMG the tests pass!
[14:19] <rick_h_> only took 3 days
[14:20] <jrwren> congrats!
[14:20] <jrwren> was it a huge refactoring from hell.
[14:20] <rick_h_> now to file a bug "REWRITE ALL THIS SHIT"
[14:20] <jrwren> wtf, why are you working today? stop it.
[14:20] <rick_h_> I'm taking friday off so I can go up north
[14:20] <jrwren> oh, tests under legacy
[14:20] <rick_h_> so worky today, swap day friday
[14:20] <rick_h_> yea, trying to upgrade our YUI library for 3.3 to 3.5
[14:21] <rick_h_> and tests go boom, so I've got to figure out why, and this is by far the worst JS I've yet seen in LP...and that's saying A LOT
[14:22] <rick_h_> so really trying not to touch the code, bug just fix the things to make tests pass
[14:24] <rick_h_> ah  crap, going to have to fix it for review 2697 lines (+1239/-1234) 7 files modified
[14:26] <jrwren> hrm, so write the tests for what is broken, then fix the code. that is good.
[14:30] <snap-l> The dao of jrwren
[14:33] <rick_h_> and they're back to failing... *sigh*
[14:52] <jrwren> failing tests are a good thing, its how I know on what to work.
[14:57] <rick_h_> yea, I'm with ya. and it was a good thing, pointed out that I had commented out some code to ignore that issue for a bit while I figured out the more basic issue
[14:58] <rick_h_> and uncommenting it reminded me I had unresolved issues I forgot to address
[16:06] <rick_h_> woot, think I've almost got my irssi theme working out
[16:12] <_stink_> the problem with the Higgs being found so early by the LHC is that it would be much more awesome if no one could find it.
[16:12] <_stink_> then we'd have to rethink erythang.
[16:12] <_stink_> but now, we just get to measure everything better.
[16:13] <_stink_> i need to read more to see what Higgs theory(ies) are allowable of this is indeed the Higgs
[16:13] <_stink_> it *should* exclude some of them
[16:14] <_stink_> i wonder if i can find the slides from the seminar... or how soon papers will be in Science or Physical Review Letters.
[16:27] <derekv> Yea we need to find issues in the standard model
[16:31] <rick_h_> lmao how did i miss this yesterday? http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2012/07/03/Urinal-cakes-speak-against-drunk-driving/UPI-99131341339819/
[17:36] <snap-l> rick_h_: The question should be: how dod you find out about it now? :)
[17:37] <rick_h_> woot
[17:38] <rick_h_> don't know why, I usually ignore those posts, but hard time concetrating today
[17:38] <rick_h_> and saw a woot article that mentioned MI
[17:39] <brousch> Eh?
[17:39] <rick_h_> 16:31  rick_h_- lmao how did i miss this yesterday? http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2012/07/03/Urinal-cakes-speak-against-drunk-driving/UPI-99131341339819
[17:40] <brousch> Ah, yeah, saw those a few days ago and almost posted it here
[17:40] <brousch> I think they would freak me out
[17:40] <brousch> Now if they could analyze the urine for alcohol % and warn people who are over the limit, that would be awesome
[17:41] <rick_h_> hah! that's an awesome idea
[17:41] <rick_h_> required in ever bar
[17:41] <rick_h_> "Oh crap, I can't leave yet...I'm over the limit according to the toilet"
[17:42] <snap-l> I think that would be pretty cool
[17:42] <brousch> "Sir, judging by the amount of alcohol in your urine, I'm gonna have to ask you to hand your keys to the guy in the next stall. He'll drive you home"
[17:42] <snap-l> though I wonder how much alcohol would show up in something like that.
[17:43] <snap-l> God, the hardest part of this article is getting some good shots of the Squeezebox
[17:43] <snap-l> Anyone have a photo booth I could borrow?
[17:44] <rick_h_> take it outside, put it on a table with a big postboard behind it, done :)
[17:45] <rick_h_> or honestly, hit up your contact back at Logitech for some pro photos
[17:45] <snap-l> They have some, but I want to show some "in action" photos
[17:45] <snap-l> but yeah, I'm going to beg off on the cover and larger shot photos
[17:46] <snap-l> The photos I took with my Canon are all unusable.
[17:47] <rick_h_> derekv: you and your bro coming out to CHC?
[17:47] <rick_h_> pie supplied, so come on down!
[17:48] <snap-l> My phone's camera does a hell of a better job.
[17:48] <derekv> rick_h_: I didn't even connect with the fact its wedsday
[17:48] <rick_h_> start connecting!
[17:49] <derekv> atm i'm hiding inside seeing if I can get ipv6 to work on my firewall
[17:49] <derekv> in a minute i'm going out to get food
[17:49] <derekv> i need a propane tank
[17:49] <derekv> also
[17:49] <rick_h_> careful, I hear it's hot out there
[17:49] <derekv> yea i opened the door
[17:49]  * rick_h_ is basement hiding and working
[17:51] <derekv> my firewall is a pentium2 generation slot1 433 celeron that I built in probably 99...
[17:51] <derekv> its pretty dependable
[17:51] <derekv> =]
[17:52] <snap-l> derekv: Far be it from me to tell you what to do with a P2, but you might want to check out the newer firewalls. ;)
[17:52] <snap-l> They have a lot more processing power, and sip power more gently than a P2
[17:52] <snap-l> and they can handle gigabit ethernet.
[17:53] <derekv> snap-l: there's an atom based  1u i might be able to get my hands on so I'm holding out for that
[17:53] <snap-l> ++
[17:53] <derekv> snap-l: the machine is overpowered for what it does
[17:53] <derekv> already
[17:54] <rick_h_> atom based 1U? run ubuntu on it!
[17:54] <derekv> snap-l: I have I think 9 virtual machines running on it at it sits idle
[17:54] <derekv> my only issue with the atom based servers is that you can't put ecc in them
[17:55] <derekv> thats one thing AMD still does right that really sucks about intel, the way they seperate out the xeon chips from the other ones
[17:55] <derekv> all amd chips support ecc
[17:55] <derekv> because they don't make two designs.
[17:56] <derekv> if i built a new firewall or other low power server now i'd look at low wattage amd chips
[17:56] <derekv> the p2 celeron isn't bad but its not as good as an atom, it think its in the neighborhood of 30w
[17:57] <derekv> atom is 10ish, desktop procs usually 90 or 120
[17:57] <derekv> we're talking about pennies a month
[18:00] <jrwren> derekv: linux ipv6?
[18:00] <derekv> jrwren: bsd
[18:00] <derekv> kame
[18:00] <jrwren> ah.
[18:01] <jrwren> kame is ipsec I thought.
[18:01] <jrwren> is it ipv6 too?
[18:01] <jrwren> i'm having terrible luck getting my ipv6 to work.
[18:01] <jrwren> comcast gives me 2 /64s via radv
[18:01] <derekv> radv?
[18:01] <jrwren> but my linux isn't responding to ipv6 neighbor solicitations, so I've not path to my router.
[18:01] <derekv> i'm trying to use dhcp6
[18:01] <jrwren> router advertisement.
[18:02] <derekv> i get nothing via that
[18:02] <derekv> but maybe i'm not using it correctly
[18:02] <derekv> this is all new to me
[18:02] <jrwren> me too
[18:02] <jrwren> but i've learned a lot
[18:02] <derekv> dhcp6 doesn't just work out of the box I guess, you have to do  a .conf maybe
[18:04] <jrwren> works for me ootb
[18:05] <jrwren>  sudo tcpdump -n -vv -i eth4 ip6
[18:05] <jrwren> will show you all the ipv6 traffic. you can see if you are getting neighbor solicitations and router advertisements.
[18:06] <jrwren> replace eth4 with your network interface of course :)
[18:08] <derekv> i'm only getting link local addresses so far
[18:10] <derekv> dhcp6c.conf is greek
[18:11] <jrwren> no router advertisements eh?
[18:11] <jrwren> well, at least you are getting neighbor solicitations which are link local
[18:12] <derekv> idk
[18:17] <jrwren> mine just worked on ubu
[18:17] <jrwren> didn't have to config naything
[18:18] <jrwren> but that is dhclient and dhclient.conf, i'm not sure about dhcp6d
[18:20] <derekv> linux dhclient has dhcpv6 support?
[18:49] <brousch> What is this cisco thing? I am not locked out of my router
[18:50] <derekv> I found this cryptic-to-me statement about comcast "we use RAs + stateful DHCPv6.  IPv6 auto-configuration is not supported."
[18:50] <derekv> its from the guy in charge of comcast ipv6
[18:51] <brousch> Hm, maybe mine's too old. I have E2000, but only E2700, E3500, and E4500 are affected
[19:49] <rick_h_> time to up my gittip amounts to the new levels
[19:54] <rick_h_> ok, liking this idea more now. I've got $4/wk of tips going out
[19:58] <brousch> Hm, I liked the tiny amounts
[19:58] <brousch> Now $0.25 is the smallest?
[20:00] <rick_h_> yea
[20:00] <brousch> My Dutch wallet is aching now
[20:02] <rick_h_> heh, I figured $3-4 a week works out to about $15/mo and I've been wanting to do $20/mo to various things.
[20:02] <rick_h_> if I run like this, swap out people once in a while, I'll be doing my goal.
[20:03] <rick_h_> http://blog.gittip.com/post/26505682007/is-personal-funding-viable
[22:30] <derekv> betchya I lose power in a moment
[22:52] <rick_h_> down and back
[22:52] <rick_h_> CHC is ready to go and the pie has arrived
[22:52] <rick_h_> and it's two for the price of one day