[01:54] <sairgo> Hello! Where can I find a good comparision between Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
[01:54] <sairgo> I'm using Gnome 4 years... but I'm tired.... I want to give Kubuntu a chance.
[02:14] <cypher-neo> Hello. Brief question. I downloaded a Window Decoration file from KDE-Look.org, and I was wondering where I should extract the file in order to install it.
[02:14] <cypher-neo> My bad, openDesktop.org...
[02:15] <cypher-neo> Where do I extract it?
[02:24] <skreech__> sairgo: So.. give it a chance then
[02:24] <skreech__> cypher-neo: It should have a readme inside it
[02:25] <skreech__> sairgo: Any particular questions you'd like to ask We'll try answer them but something as general as what's the difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu is somewhat like what's the difference between OSX and GNOME
[02:27] <DarthFrog> sairgo:  You're the best judge of whether Kubuntu suits you.  The real difference is whether you prefer KDE or GNOME.  In my minde, KDE is for power users.  GNOME is for those who don't mind HAL saying, "I'm sorry Dave, I can't allow you to do that."
[02:27] <DarthFrog> KDE doesn't stand in your way and limit you unnecessarily.
[02:28] <DarthFrog> Now, of course, that was prejudiced on my part.  I've made my choice.  Your choice can only be made by you.
[02:29] <skreech__> DarthFrog: What's the accounting software supposed to do?
[02:30] <DarthFrog> skreech__: Are you referring to the question I asked this morning?
[02:30] <skreech__> DarthFrog: Yes
[02:31] <DarthFrog> Thanks for your interest.  My friend has already turned up his nose. :-)  I don't know what he had in mind in particular, but he does quite abit of work for non-profits and charity.
[02:38] <Guest72681> Buenas alguien en el canal?
[02:41] <skreech__> DarthFrog: Understand but still I woudl like to know what it was the program was intended to do :)
[02:41] <skreech__> With out that it's impossible to know if it already exists or if it needs to be built
[02:41] <DarthFrog> skreech__: I'll ask him.
[02:45] <skreech__> DarthFrog: Thanks. What were his comments that came from around his upturned nose?
[02:45] <skreech__> sairgo: What concerns do you have about trying Kubuntu?
[02:48] <DarthFrog> skreech__: The ICQ conversation ended before that. :-)  He's in Houston, I"m in Vancouver, BC.
[02:49] <skreech__> \o/ ICQ :)
[02:49] <DarthFrog> Hey, it works.
[02:50] <skreech__> I know I quite like ICQ
[02:50] <skreech__> There is a number of KDE Accounting software by the way
[02:58] <skreech__> DarthFrog: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KdeFinance
[03:12] <skreech__> !ca | DarthFrog
[03:20] <Guyiio> hello
[03:20] <Guyiio> hello
[03:30] <skreech__> hi
[03:30] <skreech__> hi sairgo
[03:47] <poetic_algebra> I have a super n00b question --- how do I determine which version of KDE I'm using?  I've just installed project neon, and in the "About KDE" menu item, I'm told that it's version 4.8.4; but if project neon is up to date, it should be 4.8.9 or 4.9.0
[03:47] <skreech__> poetic_algebra: which about KDE menu?
[03:48] <poetic_algebra> the one available through the konsole
[03:48] <skreech__> poetic_algebra: however I would say check the about KDE menu :)
[03:48] <poetic_algebra> haha
[03:48] <skreech__> poetic_algebra: I'm presuming that you installed the packages then logged out and back in ?
[03:48] <poetic_algebra> skreech__:  yes, indeed
[03:49] <poetic_algebra> skreech__:  my concern is that I'd like to file a bug, but I want to know if I'm up-to-date
[03:49] <poetic_algebra> otherwise I could just be filing an obsolete bug, and that would be a waste
[03:49] <skreech__> poetic_algebra: alright open a termin.. waiiit. Ok Type in the terminal kde4-config --version
[03:50] <poetic_algebra> aha!  thank you =D
[03:50] <poetic_algebra> it is indeed 4.8.4
[03:50] <skreech__> poetic_algebra: well there you go then
[03:50] <poetic_algebra> dah!  maybe I'll have to compile the RC myself =P
[03:50] <skreech__> KDE Development Platform: 4.8.90 (4.8.90)
[03:50] <skreech__> Is my response
[03:51] <poetic_algebra> really?  and you're using project neon as well?
[03:52] <poetic_algebra> oneiric or precise?  32-bit or 64?
[03:52] <skreech__> 32 bit 12.04
[03:52] <poetic_algebra> (if you don't mind my asking)
[03:52] <skreech__> I'm using the PPA from Kubuntu.org
[03:52] <skreech__> you want something newer Iguess
[03:54] <poetic_algebra> skreech__: yeah; I'm doing a little testing, and I'd just like to file a current bug, rather than one for the stable version (although it may ultimately make no difference).  In any case, thanks very much!  I appreciate it!
[03:55] <skreech__> poetic_algebra: I think that the beta may be good enough. What's the bug let me see if I can duplicate
[03:57] <poetic_algebra> skreech__: sure thing; if you dim the display, and then add a battery widget to the desktop, the brigtness resets to the highest setting
[03:58] <poetic_algebra> This may be related to a couple other extant bugs
[03:59] <skreech__> Hmm
[03:59]  * skreech__ would need a laptop >_>
[03:59] <poetic_algebra> even worse, the brightness sliders in the energy settings appear to have no effect
[03:59] <poetic_algebra> haha
[04:00] <skreech__> Oh yeah that I noticed
[04:01] <skreech__> I had Beta 2 on a laptop the other day and couldn't make it brighter at all
[04:01] <amason_> yeh i noticed that too
[04:01] <amason_> it's on my list of bug reports to do
[04:01] <amason_> but haven't had any time to do more digging
[04:02] <poetic_algebra> well, glad to know I'm not alone =D
[04:02] <poetic_algebra> there are a couple related bugs out there; brightness seems to be a bit of a mess =]
[04:02] <skreech__> poetic_algebra: Most likely. Can you jump into #kde-quality and mention it
[04:03] <amason_> poetic_algebra: if you have time it would be great if you could do some digging and submit it , i am running pretty low on time and it's > 10 on my bug list
[04:03] <skreech__> amason_: I take it you did a search to see if the bug was already filed?
[04:03] <amason_> and i too don't have my laptop today
[04:04] <amason_> skreech__: yeh it's there but it was sparse i.e needed more info
[04:04] <poetic_algebra> sure; what kind of digging should I do?
[04:04] <amason_> i guess i didn't mean submit it , more like submit some debugging.
[04:05] <amason_> poetic_algebra: well the one thing i didn't do was see if i coud dim the display from the CLI, haven't looked at how to do this
[04:05] <amason_> to make sure it's a kde issue and not just the system
[04:05] <poetic_algebra> okay, I'll look into that
[04:06] <poetic_algebra> it's interesting that you can dim the display from the battery system tray icon, but it will reset in moments
[04:06] <amason_> ah n/m then
[04:06] <amason_> if you can do that then it's not a system issue :)
[04:07] <poetic_algebra> good to know =]
[04:08] <poetic_algebra> (sorry, got a phone call; I'm dividing my time, and it's tricky!)
[04:10] <amason_> it's fine, i'm doing stuff at the same time too
[04:10] <amason_> pft work...
[04:13] <josh_> Trying to update my drivers. Downloaded the appropriate file from AMD website. What do I need to type in terminal to run it? I'm new to Linux :)
[04:27] <amason_> josh_: can you provide us with a bit more information...
[04:27] <amason_> what kind of file is it?
[04:28] <josh_> amd-driver-installer-12-6-x86.x86_64.run
[04:29] <skreech__> amason_: can you give the bug info?
[04:30] <amason_> yup, gimme a few mins need to find it
[04:30] <msx> hi guys, @josh: can you tell me what patch you apply to make dolphin have inline rename?
[04:31] <skreech__> josh_: Were there noinstructions on the website?
[04:32] <josh_> Little update, i changed the properties of the file to executable. double clicked it and it began doing its thing. It asks for admin password to run as super-user, I put my password in but it told me it was incorrect
[04:32] <josh_> Yeah, the website didn't provide me with instructions
[04:32] <skreech__> josh_: Though you can install drivers from inside kubuntu itself
[04:32] <josh_> I figured you could, just not sure how. I'm a terminal noob
[04:33] <skreech__> msx: Update to a newer version of dolphin I'd guess
[04:33] <skreech__> josh_: alt+F2 -> kdesudo jockey-dke
[04:33] <skreech__> umm jockey-kde
[04:34] <msx> @skreech: i just read an article saying it will be default in upcoming 2.1 version, thanks :)
[04:34] <josh_> excellent! it's searching for drivers
[04:35] <skreech__> josh_: ;-)
[04:35] <josh_> I have two choices. ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver or (post-release)
[04:35] <josh_> I assume post-release
[04:36] <skreech__> fglrx :)
[04:37] <skreech__> Oh wait no. Post release
[04:40] <poetic_algebra> okay, sorry about that; I'll take a look at this some more tomorrow --- thanks for your help skreech__ and amason_ =]
[04:40] <skreech__> OK
[04:43] <poetic_algebra> amason_: the program xbacklight will allow you to change the brightness at the cli
[04:43] <poetic_algebra> idk if this is what you were looking for, but it's one option
[04:44] <amason_> ah cool, thanks. i knew there was some backlight tool just couldn't remember which one.
[04:44] <amason_> skreech__: i think this is the one i was looking at 286688
[04:44] <poetic_algebra> there's also this setpci -s command that I don't exactly know how to use =]
[04:45] <poetic_algebra> anyway, goodnight!
[04:45] <amason_> night
[04:45] <skreech__> amason_: ok I"ll try follow up
[04:45] <skreech__> night poetic_algerbra
[06:52] <cbb> good morning
[06:53] <Smurphy> Morning
[07:01] <skreech__> Good morning
[07:41] <jds> Are games written in java like Minecraft hand coded? Or are they using some kind of engine or something?
[07:45] <jds> nvm
[08:01] <mah454> Hello
[08:01] <mah454> where is this repository ? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/amd64/libqt4-dev/4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.1
[08:12] <skreech__> mah454: Hm?
[08:13] <mah454> skreech__: nothing ! find !
[08:13] <skreech__> mah454: You found it?
[08:13] <mah454> yes
[08:13] <mah454> thank you :)
[10:13] <mah454> Hello
[10:13] <mah454> How can fix this problem : http://pastebin.com/aqhHRKyW
[12:00] <vip> Hi there, after todays upgrade, I've got problems with connecting from some apps
[12:01] <vip> E.g. kopete jabber plugin, krdc, kadu-dev
[12:01] <vip> here's list of upgraded packages https://gist.github.com/14f73036af2cdb13a389
[12:02] <vip> I'm using quantal
[12:21] <Cenbe> Is there a way to turn off those annoying "System Notification Helper" on-screen messages?
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:19] <tusharthantharat> Hi guys
[13:21] <tusharthantharat> can anybody responsd to me
[13:21] <Joit> respond
[13:21] <mydogsnameisrudy> hello tusharthantharat
[13:21] <BluesKaj> !ask | tusharthantharat
[13:21] <tusharthantharat> okay thanks.. was just checking if i got connected
[13:23] <Joit> tus usual when you get the name list from users, you are here
[13:23] <tusharthantharat> okay thanx. but laterly i was facing some issues
[13:24] <kaddi> is there a known problem with gtalk and kopete at the moment?
[13:25] <mydogsnameisrudy> kaddi:  mine is working fine
[13:26] <kaddi> mine keeps saying: Kopete: Connection problem with Jabber server talk.google.com There was an error authenticating with the server: Login failed with unknown reason.
[13:26] <kaddi> jabber itself is working fine
[13:36] <kaddi> any ideas?
[13:37] <hateball> SSL issues?
[13:40] <kaddi> hmm, i wouldn't know... It was working fine until 2 weeks ago, then it suddenly stopped working
[14:43] <shoopdewoop> skreech__: So, I did a complete reinstall because I hadn't gotten far anyway and it seemed like the easiest solution :P everything is working fine now (to be expected) and now I'm just afraid to install that driver again :P
[14:50] <federica_> is there any dantti print-manager ppa?
[14:52] <shoopdewoop> installing updates, back in a few
[15:18] <shoopdewoop> skreech__: just reinstalled the driver, title bar issue still persists :(
[15:20] <Joit> shoopdewoop: you should probatly fill a bug
[15:20] <Joit> bug report
[15:21] <shoopdewoop> How do I do that?
[15:22] <Joit> 1 sec pls
[15:22] <shoopdewoop> No problem
[15:25] <Joit> i looked up for your gma chip and transparent title bar and got 2 results
[15:25] <Joit> http://linux-update.blogspot.de/2010/05/fix-intel-gma500-graphics-in-ubuntu.html
[15:25] <Joit> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1229345.html
[15:26] <Joit> to fill up a bug there is a system implemented to ubuntu, you can install that with muon, else make an account here https://bugs.launchpad.net and fill one
[15:28] <shoopdewoop> okay thank you for the info
[15:31] <Joit> if you cant fix it with this workarounds above, you maybe better stay with your old driver, i dont think that you will play any shiny games on your machine. for the rest a normal driver work probatly good enough
[15:32] <Joit> and -updates- at linux doesnt mean that they make anything better at linux
[15:32] <shoopdewoop> thats true :P the old resolution is just a little annoying, but it might be the only option (1024x576 vs 860x576) its not crucial really, I should be getting a shiny new laptop pretty soon :)
[15:32] <Joit> sometimes the normal driver works also better with other apps
[15:33] <shoopdewoop> we shall see
[15:33] <Joit> can you do better resolutions with the updated driver?
[15:34] <shoopdewoop> just 1024x576, but its better than 860x576 :P
[15:34] <Joit> proabtly there is only something missing, like the uax missed like above
[15:35] <shoopdewoop> I'll check it out definitely; unfortunately I don't have as much time as I'd like today, but I'll check out those links you  posted
[15:35] <Joit> ok, i can only hope it helps, i am not familar with this chips
[15:36] <shoopdewoop> Anything is helpful, thanks so much :)
[15:40] <Joit> you also can simple look for intel gma500 kubuntu on the net, that should give some results what are probatly interesting
[17:01] <oriol> join #kde-promo
[17:16] <usuario> oi
[17:17] <user_> s
[17:38] <skreech__> hi shoopdewoop
[18:05] <BluesKaj> hey skreech__
[18:08] <skreech__> Hi BluesKaj
[18:53] <pentarex> hey guys can anyone tell me some good screen capture application so I can record my monitor and upload the video to youtube? I am using Kubuntu
[18:57] <mydogsnameisrudy> pentarex:  look at recordmydesktop and recorditnow
[19:03] <genii-around> I also sometimes use VLC to capture the screen
[19:11] <skreech__> pentarex: there is a blogpost on it
[19:11] <skreech__> hold on
[19:11] <skreech__> pentarex: http://nienhueser.de/blog/?p=469
[19:11] <pentarex> skreech__: ok I will wait :)
[19:12] <skreech__> pentarex: wait No mure!!!
[19:12] <pentarex> no mure?
[19:12] <skreech__> It's my hurrible accent.
[19:15] <BluesKaj> what accent ? :)
[19:16] <genii-around> nasal congestion?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> must be amuricen
[19:19] <skreech__> BluesKaj: :-)
[19:25] <Aptar> Is there a better picture viewer than Gwenview?
[19:26] <skreech__> Aptar: The Louvre
[19:26] <skreech__> Aptar: What are you looking for?
[19:27] <Aptar> skreech__, Looking to view my pics and videos from a camera.
[19:27] <Aptar> skreech__, I also have some videos that display sideways that need to be rotated.
[19:28] <skreech__> Aptar: tried alt+F2 -> kamera:/
[19:28] <skreech__> I think that gwenview can rotate videos. I forget
[19:28] <BluesKaj> Aptar, gwenview rotates
[19:28] <skreech__> I think Digikam takes more of that into consideration but that's a jackhammer for nail
[19:28] <Aptar> When I display a video in Gwenview it grays out the rotate options
[19:28] <Aptar> pictures will rotate but not my videos
[19:29] <skreech__> confirmed
[19:29] <BluesKaj> Aptar, try VLC for videos , it can rotate as well but you have to dig down several menus
[19:30] <Aptar> ok
[19:32] <BluesKaj> vlc>video>postprocessing>geometry , iirc
[19:33] <Aptar> ok thank you
[19:33] <Aptar> skreech__, I can't even find one called "The Louvre:
[19:35] <Aptar> BluesKaj, Where you able to see if Gwenview really rotates videos?
[19:35] <skreech__> Aptar: It was a joke. :)
[19:35] <Aptar> skreech__,  ;)
[19:35] <skreech__> Aptar: it's alt+F2 -> camera:/
[19:36] <skreech__> kamera is the configuration for that
[19:37] <BluesKaj> Aptar, sorry , it's tools>effectsand filters>video effects>geometry
[19:39] <BluesKaj> Aptar, no < i've never even tried to play videos in gwenview
[19:39] <Aptar> BluesKaj, Ah, ok I got it now...I was looking in the postprocessing menu and couldn't locate it...now I got it, appreciate it! :)
[19:40] <BluesKaj> Aptar, yeah , sorry I have only needed to rotate video in VLC once , so my memory failed
[19:40] <Aptar> BluesKaj, Just about all of the video I have taken with my iphone 4 displays as sideways on here, ugh.
[19:41] <BluesKaj> yeah , my freind uses a video cam on his bicycle helmet and records his cross country races , but they were all sideways as well
[19:41] <phoenix_firebrd> pentarex:  try try recorditnow or kazam
[21:25] <cypher-neo> Hello. I was configuring Kickoff and I wanted to bind it to the Meta key so it launches the menu much like Unity and GNOME do with a single Meta keypress, but it won't capture the key. It looks like it wants me to make it TWO keys! Is there any way to just bind it to one key?
[21:26] <cypher-neo> Meta preferably
[21:26] <eXpander> i have the same problem!
[21:26] <eXpander> Help me!
[21:27]  * BluesKaj wonders what's so difficult about clicking kickoff :)
[21:28] <cypher-neo> BluesKaj: It's not really that hard. I was just wondering if it was possible.
[21:28] <cypher-neo> BluesKaj: Cause then I could just stick to using the keyboard... almost exclusively
[21:29] <cypher-neo> BluesKaj: On GNOME I could do this because the menu is raised on keypress. Now I think KDE is much MUCH better than GNOME.
[21:29] <cypher-neo> BluesKaj: There's no way I could be dragged back into GNOME! I was just hoping I could use some of the same keyboard shortcuts I got used to on the other DE.
[21:31] <Daskreech> cypher-neo: I think that it's mapped to Alt=F1
[21:32] <Daskreech> I know there is an issue with using meta as single key as well as a modifier
[21:32] <BluesKaj> cypher-neo, I'm not the guy to ask , there probly are simailer keyboard shortcuts in kde , but I don't use any :/
[21:32] <cypher-neo> Daskreech: Oh...
[21:33] <cypher-neo> Daskreech: That makes sense... Thanks for the help anyway
[21:33] <Daskreech> cypher-neo: There is a hacky ways to get around it so if you want to do it then it is possible