angs | what is the current limit for an expansion signal as an input to the beagleboard-xm? | 02:55 |
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Aks | is it possible to load ubuntu on tablets | 10:49 |
Aks | it has processor cortex A8 | 10:50 |
ogra_ | thats a pretty vague question | 10:50 |
Aks | i have tablet pc which runs on android | 10:52 |
Aks | i want it to works with ubuntu | 10:53 |
Aks | is it possible to remove android and load ubuntu on it | 10:53 |
ogra_ | well, if you have access to the bootloader , have the kernel source and know how to set both of these up, installing ubuntu is usually possible | 10:53 |
ogra_ | first get the two first bits resolved, then come back | 10:54 |
Aks | i have kernel source but i don't know to how to access bootloader | 10:57 |
morphis | Aks: it's usually fastboot you can use for this | 10:58 |
morphis | with fastboot support you can boot a different kernel than the flashed one shipping a special init-script to boot from an ext2 image on the internal flash disk | 10:59 |
ogra_ | if your bootloader isnt locked down by the vendor | 10:59 |
morphis | thats the best (and safest) way to get this done | 10:59 |
ogra_ | (which it is on many tablets) | 10:59 |
morphis | ogra_: yes, thats the condition to be able to do this | 10:59 |
LetoThe2nd | i'd suggest rephrasing - it is usually doable under these preconditions, but still requires considerable knowledge and is no click here, click there process. | 11:00 |
Aks | i have 2.6.36-8-omap3 kernel m i be able to boot it using fast boot? | 11:00 |
morphis | you need the kernel source special for the tablet you have | 11:00 |
ogra_ | is your tablet an omap3 device ? | 11:00 |
morphis | Aks: look at this http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=meta-smartphone.git;a=blob;f=meta-samsung/recipes-bsp/chroot-script/chroot-script/init.sh;h=4ad32a66258bd1163efe908608e65f37dc5b4c09;hb=HEAD | 11:01 |
Aks | yes its on omap and i have kernels source . | 11:01 |
morphis | for a suitable init script | 11:01 |
Aks | can you give me step by step description of installing ubuntu on any tablet ? | 11:02 |
LetoThe2nd | now thats exactly what i meant. | 11:03 |
morphis | Aks: thats not possible | 11:03 |
morphis | Aks: a tablet is no PC as you know it where you can install everything | 11:03 |
morphis | it's build for a very special case, to run android | 11:04 |
Aks | is there any hardware limitation ? | 11:04 |
LetoThe2nd | Aks: there are bits and pieces of information available, and solving the puzzle will eventually enable you to install ubuntu on a platform. but there's not step by step guide, nor does anyone want to give that. | 11:05 |
morphis | Aks: and you can't expect anything to work after you have ubuntu on the tablet | 11:06 |
LetoThe2nd | so its sad but true: if you have to ask, it is not for you. | 11:07 |
morphis | LetoThe2nd: :) | 11:07 |
LetoThe2nd | am i sounding too pseudo-31337? | 11:08 |
ogra_ | no | 11:09 |
ogra_ | since you are right :) | 11:09 |
ogra_ | its technically possible to do what he wants but you need quite some skills that go beyond basics | 11:10 |
LetoThe2nd | i know, i wouldn't be able to do it myself without a lot of effort. | 11:10 |
ogra_ | right, same here, and i do it as a day to day job | 11:11 |
morphis | LetoThe2nd: it's which is not worth you spend it on this | 11:11 |
Aks | ya i am new to this so we want your help? | 11:11 |
LetoThe2nd | morphis: exactly, hence i do not even try. | 11:11 |
morphis | LetoThe2nd: I did this for years now | 11:11 |
morphis | started with the Palm Pre ended with the Nexus S | 11:12 |
morphis | not ubuntu | 11:12 |
morphis | but something else | 11:12 |
morphis | it makes fun | 11:12 |
morphis | but you spend too much time on it and never really get usable results | 11:12 |
LetoThe2nd | i think i got some good skills on arm linux, but in another direction. and i admit, exchanging android on a probably underdocumented device is not what i'd call fun to me. | 11:12 |
morphis | :) | 11:13 |
morphis | you learn a lot | 11:13 |
LetoThe2nd | but i guess i can judge the skillset needed - and i do not sense this kind of schwartz in our young padawan here. | 11:13 |
morphis | :) | 11:13 |
ogra_ | getting a working image for the toshiba ac100 took me several months ... and thats not even a tablet where you have to fight with the input setup too | 11:14 |
morphis | it's bad but things are getting better with the years | 11:15 |
ogra_ | definitely ... mostly thanks to linaor who work on unifying things like kernel and bootloader | 11:16 |
ogra_ | *linaro | 11:16 |
morphis | yes, linaro is a great effort | 11:16 |
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ogra_ | ppisati, hmm, could it be that you forgot to close bug 1010009 in the last changelog of ti-omap4 ? | 13:10 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1010009 in linux-ti-omap4 "omapdss only works on some monitors in quantal" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010009 | 13:10 |
ppisati | ogra_: thanks, closed | 13:16 |
ogra_ | :) | 13:16 |
ppisati | ogra_: by any chance, did you try your beagle xm? | 13:20 |
ogra_ | no, i havent managed to get a properly working install still, will do a netboot server install now | 13:20 |
ppisati | ogra_: what you mean? | 13:23 |
ogra_ | i only tested the desktop images dirung A2 | 13:23 |
ogra_ | and these all failed ... since then i havent touched my XM | 13:23 |
ppisati | even the omap3 desktop? | 13:24 |
ogra_ | yes | 13:24 |
ogra_ | the only working image we had during A2 was panda | 13:24 |
ppisati | so you saw the same problems i mentioned in the email? | 13:24 |
ogra_ | no, i couldnt get it booting iirc | 13:24 |
ppisati | i had errors during bootup (on xm rev a) | 13:25 |
ppisati | squashfs errors&c | 13:25 |
ppisati | which rev do you have? | 13:25 |
ogra_ | also a rev a | 13:25 |
ppisati | ah | 13:25 |
ogra_ | and i had seen the squashfs errors before but that was back when there were also USB and display issues | 13:26 |
ppisati | anyone with a beagle xm, an empty sd card and willing to do some tests? | 13:26 |
ogra_ | i am, i just need to do an install first :) | 13:26 |
ppisati | ogra_: why don't you try daily? | 13:31 |
ogra_ | because i was to lazy to zsync :P | 13:34 |
ogra_ | but yeah, i should probably do that to make sure they work | 13:34 |
ppisati | ogra_: it seems to work on my rev c | 13:43 |
ppisati | ogra_: but doesn't on rev q | 13:43 |
ppisati | *a | 13:43 |
ppisati | ogra_: if you have another rev a, and we reproduce the same problem | 13:43 |
ogra_ | hmm | 13:43 |
ppisati | that's a good hint | 13:43 |
ogra_ | right | 13:43 |
_william_ | do you know if there are any pla to release ARM repositories with the upcoming 12.10 ? | 13:44 |
ogra_ | well, i can surely say i saw the squashfs errors before | 13:44 |
ogra_ | _william_, ?? we release arm repos since 3 years | 13:44 |
ppisati | ogra_: ok, as soon as you can do another reinstall, that would be nice | 13:44 |
ppisati | ogra_: moreover, do you know who has another xm? | 13:44 |
_william_ | ogra_: hu... what is the URL please ? | 13:44 |
ogra_ | ppisati, 3:21 to go for zsync ;) | 13:44 |
* _william_ feeling stupid ;) | 13:44 | |
ogra_ | http://ports.ubuntu.com/ | 13:45 |
_william_ | excellent ogra_ ! i've been looking for this along time until i came to this chan | 13:46 |
_william_ | even a few people from Canonical (i won't name ;) ) were not able to given me this url | 13:47 |
_william_ | thanks a lot | 13:47 |
ogra_ | welcome :) | 13:49 |
ogra_ | we also roll installable images for some architectures | 13:49 |
ogra_ | ppisati, hmm, apart from the fact that the spalsh is missing, the current daily looks fine to me | 13:57 |
ogra_ | no squashfs erros on boot this time | 13:57 |
ogra_ | (lets see how it behaves during copying) | 13:58 |
ogra_ | argh | 13:58 |
ogra_ | thats really messed up, it runs a live session ! | 13:59 |
ppisati | except for the last comment, i assume it's working for you | 14:01 |
ppisati | right? | 14:02 |
ogra_ | right, i get into a fully functional live session | 14:03 |
ppisati | ogra_: this one? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap.img | 14:04 |
ogra_ | yes | 14:04 |
* ppisati tries again | 14:04 | |
_william_ | ogra_: so far i had only found images. Anyways... i'm going to try it over the next days. I'm trying to build a custom environnement based upon Armada chip | 14:05 |
ogra_ | armadaxp ? | 14:05 |
_william_ | armada 510 | 14:06 |
_william_ | have you already tested with this processor ? | 14:06 |
ogra_ | isnt that armv6 ? | 14:07 |
ogra_ | (ubuntu only supports v7 and above) | 14:08 |
_william_ | according to marvell it is ARM v6/v7-compliant | 14:09 |
ogra_ | well, if its v7 it should work | 14:09 |
_william_ | http://www.marvell.com/application-processors/armada-500/ | 14:09 |
ogra_ | (if you can force that mode somehow) | 14:09 |
_william_ | i'll get the answer soon ;) | 14:10 |
ogra_ | well, that page only say v7 | 14:10 |
ogra_ | they should make their mind up :P | 14:11 |
ogra_ | i guess you are good | 14:11 |
_william_ | 500 is v7 only, 510 seems to be v6/v7 | 14:12 |
_william_ | let's test, i'll know it | 14:12 |
ppisati | [flag@newluxor ~]$ md5sum Downloads/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap.img | 14:33 |
ppisati | 6907b9027e355ea599935a8e268834e6 Downloads/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap.img | 14:33 |
ppisati | ogra_: with this img i still get tons of squashfs errors | 14:33 |
ppisati | ogra_: at this point i can only assume that my rev a is dying | 14:33 |
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ogra_ | ppisati, well, dont throw it away :) | 15:16 |
RoyK | hrmf! seems my network doesn't work after updating my pandaboard ubuntu 11.10 to latest (not 12.04). iwconfig/ifconfig looks good, but no ping/arp/nothing works. no firewall setup. any idea how to reboot with an old kernel on this thing? | 15:20 |
ppisati | RoyK: ls -al /boot | 15:23 |
ppisati | RoyK: choose the preferred version/kernel | 15:23 |
ppisati | RoyK: sudo flash-kernel 3.2.0-omap4 | 15:23 |
ppisati | RoyK: if, for example, you want to use that kernel | 15:24 |
ppisati | RoyK: btw, which kernel are you using now? | 15:24 |
RoyK | 3.0.0-1211-omap4 | 15:25 |
RoyK | erm... seems 3.1.0-1282 is installed, but not in use | 15:25 |
RoyK | so "flash-kernel vmlinuz-3.1.0-1282-omap4" ? | 15:26 |
ogra_ | drop vmlinuz- | 15:28 |
RoyK | got it | 15:29 |
RoyK | thanks again | 15:29 |
ogra_ | "sudo flash-kernel 3.1.0-1282-omap4" | 15:29 |
ppisati | no wait | 15:33 |
ppisati | if you are using 3.1.0-1282 it's not our kernel | 15:33 |
ogra_ | no, thats from some TI PPA | 15:34 |
ogra_ | still, if it worked before ... | 15:34 |
RoyK | tried it, and didn't work too well | 15:34 |
RoyK | found the error - PEBKAC | 15:37 |
ogra_ | remove it ! | 15:38 |
ogra_ | ppisati, Snd_omap_soc_beagle ... geez !! | 15:42 |
ogra_ | what a mess | 15:42 |
* ogra_ just saw the mails | 15:42 | |
ogra_ | ppisati, so even my netinstall has issues here ... i see lots of oopses and the NIC just hangs after a while (smsc95xx i think) | 16:40 |
* ogra_ will file a bug if this installation ever ends | 16:41 | |
ppisati | ogra_: omap4 or omap3? | 16:47 |
ogra_ | 3 | 16:47 |
ogra_ | havent touched any pandas today ... i keep my bamboo for mself :) | 16:47 |
ogra_ | *myself | 16:47 |
ppisati | LOL :) | 16:48 |
ppisati | is it a server or desktop installation? | 16:48 |
* ppisati never ever tried netinstall | 16:49 | |
ogra_ | netinst .... its neither | 16:49 |
ppisati | do i need a working video out? or i can everything from console? | 16:49 |
ppisati | *can i do | 16:49 |
ogra_ | it drops you into tasksel ... if you dont select anything you get pretty much the same as deboostrap gets you ... but properly configured | 16:49 |
ogra_ | we have serial and framebuffer netinst images | 16:49 |
ogra_ | you can pick :) | 16:50 |
ogra_ | http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/quantal/main/installer-armhf/current/images/omap/netboot/ | 16:50 |
ogra_ | http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/quantal/main/installer-armhf/current/images/omap4/netboot/ | 16:50 |
ppisati | cool | 16:50 |
ppisati | any doc how to use it? | 16:50 |
ppisati | i mean | 16:50 |
ogra_ | boot.img-fat-fb is what i currently use | 16:50 |
ogra_ | just dd it to the SD and boot | 16:51 |
ppisati | i throw all the stuff in a vfat partition on my sd and btoo from there | 16:51 |
ppisati | after that? | 16:51 |
ppisati | wait | 16:51 |
ppisati | ok | 16:52 |
ppisati | i'll try | 16:52 |
ogra_ | just dd | 16:52 |
ogra_ | nothing else ... | 16:52 |
ppisati | you mean cp | 16:53 |
ogra_ | no | 16:53 |
ogra_ | dd | 16:53 |
ppisati | i see | 16:54 |
ogra_ | you download the file and dd it to the sd card | 16:54 |
ppisati | it's a boot.img | 16:54 |
ogra_ | then you plug it into the board and boot | 16:54 |
ogra_ | right | 16:54 |
ogra_ | the installer is the initrd | 16:54 |
ppisati | ack | 16:54 |
ppisati | i'll try | 16:54 |
ogra_ | take -serial though since you want serial output i guess | 16:55 |
ppisati | yep | 16:55 |
* ogra_ finds it intresting that the gzipped versions of the omap4 image are 9M while the omap3 ones are 16M | 16:55 | |
ogra_ | seems omap3 has a lot more content in it | 16:56 |
ppisati | ogra_: in master we probably compile more modules | 16:57 |
ogra_ | ah, that might be | 16:57 |
ogra_ | more udebs and udeb content | 16:57 |
ppisati | yep | 16:57 |
ppisati | where does it hang for you? | 16:58 |
ogra_ | well, i left it alone, but it was stuck at "selecting software" where it tried to access the net to pull down Packages.gz | 16:59 |
ogra_ | manually unloading the smsc driver and running dhclient eth0 fixed it ... but dmesg is full of oopses | 17:00 |
ppisati | here is at | 17:00 |
ppisati | "Loading additional components" | 17:00 |
ppisati | and it's downloading stuff | 17:00 |
ppisati | xm rev c | 17:01 |
ogra_ | right, "selecting and installing software" is pretty much at the end of the install | 17:01 |
ppisati | ok | 17:02 |
ppisati | i'll go till the end then | 17:02 |
ppisati | it's partitioning | 17:02 |
ogra_ | yeah, just let it run ... might also be cause by idling ... i left it for like 45min before i checked again | 17:02 |
ogra_ | *caused | 17:02 |
* ogra_ has the beagle on a spare input of one of his desktop monitors ... i only occasionally switch to the other input to check | 17:03 | |
ppisati | "Installing the base system" | 17:06 |
ogra_ | grrr *sigh* | 17:22 |
ogra_ | crashed again while downloading packages | 17:22 |
TypoNAM | is anybody else having a problem where when I move my mouse pointer to the far right hand side edge in Unity desktop on Ubuntu 12.04 on pandaboard the mouse pointer completely disappears? I did ctrl+alt+F1 and then ctrl+alt+F7 to find just a completely white background canvas with my mouse pointer and nothing else is there as if my mouse got trapped in a second blank X11 session | 17:41 |
TypoNAM | the only way to get back into unity is to restart lightdm without rebooting :/ | 17:42 |
ppisati | ogra_: btw, it's still installing | 17:45 |
ogra_ | for me it failed again ... | 17:46 |
ppisati | "Finishing the installation" | 17:46 |
infinity | TypoNAM: I've never seen that with the default kernel and X drivers, no. Are you using something fancy, like TI's PPA? | 17:46 |
ogra_ | lucky you | 17:46 |
ppisati | done | 17:46 |
ogra_ | to me it looks like the traffic on the USB hub makes it fall over | 17:46 |
ppisati | but it doesn't boot | 17:47 |
ogra_ | hooray, i made it past the point | 17:47 |
ppisati | it created an ext2 /.boot partition | 17:47 |
ogra_ | yeah, thats fine | 17:48 |
ppisati | and anoither ext3 for the rest | 17:48 |
ogra_ | ext3 ? | 17:48 |
ogra_ | sigh | 17:48 |
ogra_ | should be ext4 | 17:48 |
ppisati | ext4 | 17:48 |
ogra_ | i think thats all NCommander's parted-uboot stuff | 17:48 |
ppisati | so it's a kamikaze instyallation | 17:48 |
ogra_ | which we seriously dont need | 17:48 |
ppisati | it does all the stuff it needs to do | 17:48 |
TypoNAM | infinity: just using powervr sgx graphics package, but nothing developmental | 17:48 |
ppisati | but it doesn't create the vfat boot partition | 17:49 |
ogra_ | well, we dont need an ext2 /boot | 17:49 |
ppisati | yep | 17:49 |
ppisati | it's so x86 | 17:49 |
ppisati | and so old | 17:49 |
ogra_ | yep | 17:49 |
ogra_ | and we dont use it for anything :) | 17:49 |
ogra_ | all we use /boot for is to read kernel and initrd from there | 17:49 |
TypoNAM | infinity: I'm specifically using unity-2d (Ubuntu-2D option) since regular unity has rendering problems with pvr sgx enabled | 17:49 |
ogra_ | to put them into the vfat | 17:49 |
infinity | ogra_: Weeeeeell... | 17:49 |
ogra_ | or into flash | 17:50 |
infinity | ogra_: We don't need it if we use flash-kernel and stuff everything on the SD. | 17:50 |
ogra_ | or other presistant storage the board needs to boot | 17:50 |
infinity | ogra_: It becomes useful if you use bootz instead of bootm. | 17:50 |
ogra_ | why would that differ ? | 17:50 |
infinity | (Like we do on the highbank machines) | 17:50 |
ogra_ | i mean, does bootz make any special use of /boot ? | 17:51 |
infinity | Yes. | 17:51 |
ppisati | anyway, it freak me out that you have so many problems with your beagle | 17:51 |
infinity | We don't load from a vfat, we load from /boot | 17:51 |
ogra_ | oh, i thought its just a different bootm | 17:51 |
infinity | Which is sane and reasonable. | 17:51 |
ppisati | ogra_: ^ | 17:51 |
ppisati | ogra_: have you tried serial installation? | 17:51 |
ogra_ | infinity, depends | 17:51 |
ogra_ | ppisati, not yet, and i seem to get through this time | 17:51 |
ppisati | ogra_: but still | 17:51 |
ppisati | ogra_: even if it fails just once | 17:52 |
ogra_ | infinity, if your uboot cant support something else than vfat you cant use /boot | 17:52 |
ppisati | ogra_: it's something we should look at | 17:52 |
ogra_ | yes, i will file bugs and all ... once i have a proper system | 17:52 |
infinity | ogra_: extload is enabled in every uboot we ship. | 17:52 |
ogra_ | my dmesg if full of errors | 17:52 |
ogra_ | infinity, that does say nothing about OEM projects :) | 17:52 |
ogra_ | and i had my share of boot issues thanks to vfat /boot | 17:53 |
ogra_ | or rather dpkg issues | 17:53 |
ogra_ | if we once have a grub like bootloader (or even grub itself) i would go for /boot ... as long as we go with uboot and flash-kernel, i wouldnt ... just adds the need for special casing again | 17:54 |
infinity | ogra_: vfat /boot is never the right answer. | 17:55 |
ogra_ | heh, no | 17:55 |
ogra_ | i learned that the hard way, years ago with my first classmatePC image | 17:55 |
ogra_ | GEEZ ! | 17:56 |
* ogra_ bilt himself a new desktop machine last weekend ... | 17:56 | |
ogra_ | and i cloned and merged the contents of several old /home dirs on the new install | 17:56 |
ogra_ | ... and i just stumbled over a loki install of unreal tournament GOTY in my homedir ! | 17:57 |
* ogra_ wonders if that still runs after all these years and on such new hardware | 17:57 | |
ogra_ | ogra@anubis:~/Games/ut$ ./ut | 17:58 |
ogra_ | ./ut-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 17:58 |
infinity | Most of the old Loki ports still run, though the sound is suboptimal on a lot of systems. | 17:58 |
ogra_ | sad :( | 17:58 |
infinity | Oh, and you might need some LD_PRELOADs. :P | 17:58 |
ogra_ | well, its also an x86 game i guess i would need chroot fiddling | 17:58 |
infinity | I'm still annoyed with the Linux community in general that we didn't throw enough money at Loki to keep them afloat. | 17:58 |
ogra_ | ++ | 17:59 |
infinity | ogra_: Multi-arch libs should fix it. | 17:59 |
ogra_ | i think i even paid for this version | 17:59 |
infinity | But yeah, hearing Linux gamers complain about the lack of top-shelf games on Linux when we had people actively porting, and no one bought their games. Bleh. | 17:59 |
ogra_ | well, multi arch might not bring me back old libs that are not existing anymore | 17:59 |
infinity | libx11.so.6 still exists. | 17:59 |
infinity | Not sure what else UT might want. | 18:00 |
infinity | ldd will tell you. | 18:00 |
ogra_ | oh, sure, but i expect things like libstc++ etc to show up too | 18:00 |
ogra_ | ogra@anubis:~/Games/ut$ ldd ut | 18:00 |
ogra_ | \tdas Programm ist nicht dynamisch gelinkt | 18:00 |
infinity | ut-bin | 18:00 |
ogra_ | lets see how well your german is ;) | 18:00 |
infinity | Programm isn't dyanmically linked, of course. | 18:01 |
ogra_ | yep | 18:01 |
infinity | That one was a bit too easy. | 18:01 |
ogra_ | haha | 18:01 |
infinity | Technical German and English are too close. | 18:01 |
ogra_ | they are | 18:01 |
ogra_ | we just took what you already had and just pronounced it differently | 18:02 |
infinity | To be fair, that's all English is, is German and French, poorly-pronounced. | 18:03 |
infinity | So, it seems fair. :P | 18:03 |
ogra_ | heh | 18:03 |
* ogra_ sighs ... with a 5760x1920 resolution i always lose track of where my mouse focus is | 18:03 | |
infinity | Get a bigger pointer? | 18:04 |
infinity | Don't we have a "tap to hilight" option? | 18:04 |
ogra_ | i usually use focus-follows-mouse ... but that suddenly exposes other issues *and* is really hard to enable nowadays | 18:04 |
ogra_ | no, gnome dropped that "crtl to show mouse" feature | 18:05 |
ppisati | i still use focus-follow-mouse | 18:05 |
ogra_ | well, try to play a flash movie fullscreen with FFM | 18:05 |
ppisati | whenever you move the mouse it exits full screen | 18:05 |
ppisati | i know :) | 18:05 |
ogra_ | if you can eneter it at all | 18:05 |
scientes | yeah but that flash | 18:05 |
ogra_ | *enter | 18:05 |
ppisati | it's verbotten! :) | 18:05 |
ogra_ | hehe | 18:06 |
scientes | one of the buggiest commonly used pieces of software | 18:06 |
scientes | (on linux_ | 18:06 |
ogra_ | thats why adobe gave it to google now | 18:06 |
ogra_ | at least the linux one | 18:06 |
scientes | lets see: audio problems, blue video tint with vdpau, stores big files in /tmp, drains battery, memcpy() where memmove() should be used | 18:07 |
ogra_ | i guess they will fix that | 18:07 |
ogra_ | given they plan to have it built into chromium | 18:07 |
ogra_ | anyway ... time to find some dinner | 18:08 |
* ogra_ is off | 18:08 | |
scientes | https://static.fsf.org/nosvn/restricted-boots.jpg | 18:11 |
GrueMaster | Blue tint with vdpau? Ok, so it isn't just me. And here I thought youtube was invaded by aliens. | 18:15 |
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TypoNAM | has anybody figured out a way to get ddd to stop hanging on "opening session" in Ubuntu 12.04? | 23:16 |
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