[02:55] <angs> what is the current limit for an expansion signal as an input to the beagleboard-xm?
[10:49] <Aks> is it possible to load ubuntu on tablets
[10:50] <Aks> it has processor cortex A8
[10:50] <ogra_> thats a pretty vague question
[10:52] <Aks> i have tablet pc which runs on android
[10:53] <Aks> i want it to works with ubuntu
[10:53] <Aks> is it possible to remove android and load ubuntu on it
[10:53] <ogra_> well, if you have access to the bootloader , have the kernel source and know how to set both of these up, installing ubuntu is usually possible
[10:54] <ogra_> first get the two first bits resolved, then come back
[10:57] <Aks> i have kernel source but i don't know to how to access bootloader
[10:58] <morphis> Aks: it's usually fastboot you can use for this
[10:59] <morphis> with fastboot support you can boot a different kernel than the flashed one shipping a special init-script to boot from an ext2 image on the internal flash disk
[10:59] <ogra_> if your bootloader isnt locked down by the vendor
[10:59] <morphis> thats the best (and safest) way to get this done
[10:59] <ogra_> (which it is on many tablets)
[10:59] <morphis> ogra_: yes, thats the condition to be able to do this
[11:00] <LetoThe2nd> i'd suggest rephrasing - it is usually doable under these preconditions, but still requires considerable knowledge and is no click here, click there process.
[11:00] <Aks> i have 2.6.36-8-omap3 kernel m i be able to boot it using fast boot?
[11:00] <morphis> you need the kernel source special for the tablet you have
[11:00] <ogra_> is your tablet an omap3 device ?
[11:01] <morphis> Aks: look at this http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=meta-smartphone.git;a=blob;f=meta-samsung/recipes-bsp/chroot-script/chroot-script/init.sh;h=4ad32a66258bd1163efe908608e65f37dc5b4c09;hb=HEAD
[11:01] <Aks> yes its on omap and i have kernels source .
[11:01] <morphis> for a suitable init script
[11:02] <Aks> can you give me step by step description of installing ubuntu on any tablet ?
[11:03] <LetoThe2nd> now thats exactly what i meant.
[11:03] <morphis> Aks: thats not possible
[11:03] <morphis> Aks: a tablet is no PC as you know it where you can install everything
[11:04] <morphis> it's build for a very special case, to run android
[11:04] <Aks> is there any hardware limitation ?
[11:05] <LetoThe2nd> Aks: there are bits and pieces of information available, and solving the puzzle will eventually enable you to install ubuntu on a platform. but there's not step by step guide, nor does anyone want to give that.
[11:06] <morphis> Aks: and you can't expect anything to work after you have ubuntu on the tablet
[11:07] <LetoThe2nd> so its sad but true: if you have to ask, it is not for you.
[11:07] <morphis> LetoThe2nd: :)
[11:08] <LetoThe2nd> am i sounding too pseudo-31337?
[11:09] <ogra_> no
[11:09] <ogra_> since you are right :)
[11:10] <ogra_> its technically possible to do what he wants but you need quite some skills that go beyond basics
[11:10] <LetoThe2nd> i know, i wouldn't be able to do it myself without a lot of effort.
[11:11] <ogra_> right, same here, and i do it as a day to day job
[11:11] <morphis> LetoThe2nd: it's which is not worth you spend it on this
[11:11] <Aks> ya i am new to this so we want your help?
[11:11] <LetoThe2nd> morphis: exactly, hence i do not even try.
[11:11] <morphis> LetoThe2nd: I did this for years now
[11:12] <morphis> started with the Palm Pre ended with the Nexus S
[11:12] <morphis> not ubuntu
[11:12] <morphis> but something else
[11:12] <morphis> it makes fun
[11:12] <morphis> but you spend too much time on it and never really get usable results
[11:12] <LetoThe2nd> i think i got some good skills on arm linux, but in another direction. and i admit, exchanging android on a probably underdocumented device is not what i'd call fun to me.
[11:13] <morphis> :)
[11:13] <morphis> you learn a lot
[11:13] <LetoThe2nd> but i guess i can judge the skillset needed - and i do not sense this kind of schwartz in our young padawan here.
[11:13] <morphis> :)
[11:14] <ogra_> getting a working image for the toshiba ac100 took me several months ... and thats not even a tablet where you have to fight with the input setup too
[11:15] <morphis> it's bad but things are getting better with the years
[11:16] <ogra_> definitely ... mostly thanks to linaor who work on  unifying things like kernel and bootloader
[11:16] <ogra_> *linaro
[11:16] <morphis> yes, linaro is a great effort
[13:10] <ogra_> ppisati, hmm, could it be that you forgot to close bug 1010009 in the last changelog of ti-omap4 ?
[13:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1010009 in linux-ti-omap4 "omapdss only works on some monitors in quantal" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010009
[13:16] <ppisati> ogra_: thanks, closed
[13:16] <ogra_> :)
[13:20] <ppisati> ogra_: by any chance, did you try your beagle xm?
[13:20] <ogra_> no, i havent managed to get a properly working install still, will do a netboot server install now
[13:23] <ppisati> ogra_: what you mean?
[13:23] <ogra_> i only tested the desktop images dirung A2
[13:23] <ogra_> and these all failed ... since then i havent touched my XM
[13:24] <ppisati> even the omap3 desktop?
[13:24] <ogra_> yes
[13:24] <ogra_> the only working image we had during A2 was panda
[13:24] <ppisati> so you saw the same problems i mentioned in the email?
[13:24] <ogra_> no, i couldnt get it booting iirc
[13:25] <ppisati> i had errors during bootup (on xm rev a)
[13:25] <ppisati> squashfs errors&c
[13:25] <ppisati> which rev do you have?
[13:25] <ogra_> also a rev a
[13:25] <ppisati> ah
[13:26] <ogra_> and i had seen the squashfs errors before but that was back when there were also USB and display issues
[13:26] <ppisati> anyone with a beagle xm, an empty sd card and willing to do some tests?
[13:26] <ogra_> i am, i just need to do an install first :)
[13:31] <ppisati> ogra_: why don't you try daily?
[13:34] <ogra_> because i was to lazy to zsync :P
[13:34] <ogra_> but yeah, i should probably do that to make sure they work
[13:43] <ppisati> ogra_: it seems to work on my rev c
[13:43] <ppisati> ogra_: but doesn't on rev q
[13:43] <ppisati> *a
[13:43] <ppisati> ogra_: if you have another rev a, and we reproduce the same problem
[13:43] <ogra_> hmm
[13:43] <ppisati> that's a good hint
[13:43] <ogra_> right
[13:44] <_william_> do you know if there are any pla to release ARM repositories with the upcoming 12.10 ?
[13:44] <ogra_> well, i can surely say i saw the squashfs errors before
[13:44] <ogra_> _william_, ?? we release arm repos since 3 years
[13:44] <ppisati> ogra_: ok, as soon as you can do another reinstall, that would be nice
[13:44] <ppisati> ogra_: moreover, do you know who has another xm?
[13:44] <_william_> ogra_: hu... what is the URL please ?
[13:44] <ogra_> ppisati, 3:21 to go for zsync ;)
[13:44]  * _william_ feeling stupid ;)
[13:45] <ogra_> http://ports.ubuntu.com/
[13:46] <_william_> excellent ogra_ ! i've been looking for this along time until i came to this chan
[13:47] <_william_> even a few people from Canonical (i won't name ;) ) were not able to given me this url
[13:47] <_william_> thanks a lot
[13:49] <ogra_> welcome :)
[13:49] <ogra_> we also roll installable images for some architectures
[13:57] <ogra_> ppisati, hmm, apart from the fact that the spalsh is missing, the current daily looks fine to me
[13:57] <ogra_> no squashfs erros on boot this time
[13:58] <ogra_> (lets see how it behaves during copying)
[13:58] <ogra_> argh
[13:59] <ogra_> thats really messed up, it runs a live session !
[14:01] <ppisati> except for the last comment, i assume it's working for you
[14:02] <ppisati> right?
[14:03] <ogra_> right, i get into a fully functional live session
[14:04] <ppisati> ogra_: this one? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap.img
[14:04] <ogra_> yes
[14:04]  * ppisati tries again
[14:05] <_william_> ogra_: so far i had only found images. Anyways... i'm going to try it over the next days. I'm trying to build a custom environnement based upon Armada chip
[14:05] <ogra_> armadaxp ?
[14:06] <_william_> armada 510
[14:06] <_william_> have you already tested with this processor ?
[14:07] <ogra_> isnt that armv6 ?
[14:08] <ogra_> (ubuntu only supports v7 and above)
[14:09] <_william_> according to marvell it is ARM v6/v7-compliant
[14:09] <ogra_> well, if its v7 it should work
[14:09] <_william_> http://www.marvell.com/application-processors/armada-500/
[14:09] <ogra_> (if you can force that mode somehow)
[14:10] <_william_> i'll get the answer soon ;)
[14:10] <ogra_> well, that page only say v7
[14:11] <ogra_> they should make their mind up :P
[14:11] <ogra_> i guess you are good
[14:12] <_william_> 500 is v7 only, 510 seems to be v6/v7
[14:12] <_william_> let's test, i'll know it
[14:33] <ppisati> [flag@newluxor ~]$ md5sum Downloads/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap.img
[14:33] <ppisati> 6907b9027e355ea599935a8e268834e6  Downloads/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap.img
[14:33] <ppisati> ogra_: with this img i still get tons of squashfs errors
[14:33] <ppisati> ogra_: at this point i can only assume that my rev a is dying
[15:16] <ogra_> ppisati, well, dont throw it away :)
[15:20] <RoyK> hrmf! seems my network doesn't work after updating my pandaboard ubuntu 11.10 to latest (not 12.04). iwconfig/ifconfig looks good, but no ping/arp/nothing works. no firewall setup. any idea how to reboot with an old kernel on this thing?
[15:23] <ppisati> RoyK: ls -al /boot
[15:23] <ppisati> RoyK: choose the preferred version/kernel
[15:23] <ppisati> RoyK: sudo flash-kernel 3.2.0-omap4
[15:24] <ppisati> RoyK: if, for example, you want to use that kernel
[15:24] <ppisati> RoyK: btw, which kernel are you using now?
[15:25] <RoyK> 3.0.0-1211-omap4
[15:25] <RoyK> erm... seems 3.1.0-1282 is installed, but not in use
[15:26] <RoyK> so "flash-kernel vmlinuz-3.1.0-1282-omap4" ?
[15:28] <ogra_> drop vmlinuz-
[15:29] <RoyK> got it
[15:29] <RoyK> thanks again
[15:29] <ogra_> "sudo flash-kernel 3.1.0-1282-omap4"
[15:33] <ppisati> no wait
[15:33] <ppisati> if you are using 3.1.0-1282 it's not our kernel
[15:34] <ogra_> no, thats from some TI PPA
[15:34] <ogra_> still, if it worked before ...
[15:34] <RoyK> tried it, and didn't work too well
[15:37] <RoyK> found the error - PEBKAC
[15:38] <ogra_> remove it !
[15:42] <ogra_> ppisati, Snd_omap_soc_beagle ... geez !!
[15:42] <ogra_> what a mess
[15:42]  * ogra_ just saw the mails
[16:40] <ogra_> ppisati, so even my netinstall has issues here ... i see lots of oopses and the NIC just hangs after a while (smsc95xx i think)
[16:41]  * ogra_ will file a bug if this installation ever ends
[16:47] <ppisati> ogra_: omap4 or omap3?
[16:47] <ogra_> 3
[16:47] <ogra_> havent touched any pandas today ... i keep my bamboo for mself :)
[16:47] <ogra_> *myself
[16:48] <ppisati> LOL :)
[16:48] <ppisati> is it a server or desktop installation?
[16:49]  * ppisati never ever tried netinstall
[16:49] <ogra_> netinst .... its neither
[16:49] <ppisati> do i need a working video out? or i can everything from console?
[16:49] <ppisati> *can i do
[16:49] <ogra_> it drops you into tasksel ... if you dont select anything you get pretty much the same as deboostrap gets you ... but properly configured
[16:49] <ogra_> we have serial and framebuffer netinst images
[16:50] <ogra_> you can pick :)
[16:50] <ogra_> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/quantal/main/installer-armhf/current/images/omap/netboot/
[16:50] <ogra_> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/quantal/main/installer-armhf/current/images/omap4/netboot/
[16:50] <ppisati> cool
[16:50] <ppisati> any doc how to use it?
[16:50] <ppisati> i mean
[16:50] <ogra_> boot.img-fat-fb is what i currently use
[16:51] <ogra_> just dd it to the SD and boot
[16:51] <ppisati> i throw all the stuff in a vfat partition on my sd and btoo from there
[16:51] <ppisati> after that?
[16:51] <ppisati> wait
[16:52] <ppisati> ok
[16:52] <ppisati> i'll try
[16:52] <ogra_> just dd
[16:52] <ogra_> nothing else ...
[16:53] <ppisati> you mean cp
[16:53] <ogra_> no
[16:53] <ogra_> dd
[16:54] <ppisati> i see
[16:54] <ogra_> you download the file and dd it to the sd card
[16:54] <ppisati> it's a boot.img
[16:54] <ogra_> then you plug it into the board and boot
[16:54] <ogra_> right
[16:54] <ogra_> the installer is the initrd
[16:54] <ppisati> ack
[16:54] <ppisati> i'll try
[16:55] <ogra_> take -serial though since you want serial output i guess
[16:55] <ppisati> yep
[16:55]  * ogra_ finds it intresting that the gzipped versions of the omap4 image are 9M while the omap3 ones are 16M
[16:56] <ogra_> seems omap3 has a lot more content in it
[16:57] <ppisati> ogra_: in master we probably compile more modules
[16:57] <ogra_> ah, that might be
[16:57] <ogra_> more udebs and udeb content
[16:57] <ppisati> yep
[16:58] <ppisati> where does it hang for you?
[16:59] <ogra_> well, i left it alone, but it was stuck at "selecting software" where it tried to access the net to pull down Packages.gz
[17:00] <ogra_> manually unloading the smsc driver and running dhclient eth0 fixed it ... but dmesg is full of oopses
[17:00] <ppisati> here is at
[17:00] <ppisati> "Loading additional components"
[17:00] <ppisati> and it's downloading stuff
[17:01] <ppisati> xm rev c
[17:01] <ogra_> right, "selecting and installing software" is pretty much at the end of the install
[17:02] <ppisati> ok
[17:02] <ppisati> i'll go till the end then
[17:02] <ppisati> it's partitioning
[17:02] <ogra_> yeah, just let it run ... might also be cause by idling ... i left it for like 45min before i checked again
[17:02] <ogra_> *caused
[17:03]  * ogra_ has the beagle on a spare input of one of his desktop monitors ... i only occasionally switch to the other input to check
[17:06] <ppisati> "Installing the base system"
[17:22] <ogra_> grrr *sigh*
[17:22] <ogra_> crashed again while downloading packages
[17:41] <TypoNAM> is anybody else having a problem where when I move my mouse pointer to the far right hand side edge in Unity desktop on Ubuntu 12.04 on pandaboard the mouse pointer completely disappears? I did ctrl+alt+F1 and then ctrl+alt+F7 to find just a completely white background canvas with my mouse pointer and nothing else is there as if my mouse got trapped in a second blank X11 session
[17:42] <TypoNAM> the only way to get back into unity is to restart lightdm without rebooting :/
[17:45] <ppisati> ogra_: btw, it's still installing
[17:46] <ogra_> for me it failed again ...
[17:46] <ppisati> "Finishing the installation"
[17:46] <infinity> TypoNAM: I've never seen that with the default kernel and X drivers, no.  Are you using something fancy, like TI's PPA?
[17:46] <ogra_> lucky you
[17:46] <ppisati> done
[17:46] <ogra_> to me it looks like the traffic on the USB hub makes it fall over
[17:47] <ppisati> but it doesn't boot
[17:47] <ogra_> hooray, i made it past the point
[17:47] <ppisati> it created an ext2 /.boot partition
[17:48] <ogra_> yeah, thats fine
[17:48] <ppisati> and anoither ext3 for the rest
[17:48] <ogra_> ext3 ?
[17:48] <ogra_> sigh
[17:48] <ogra_> should be ext4
[17:48] <ppisati> ext4
[17:48] <ogra_> i think thats all NCommander's parted-uboot stuff
[17:48] <ppisati> so it's a kamikaze instyallation
[17:48] <ogra_> which we seriously dont need
[17:48] <ppisati> it does all the stuff it needs to do
[17:48] <TypoNAM> infinity: just using powervr sgx graphics package, but nothing developmental
[17:49] <ppisati> but it doesn't create the vfat boot partition
[17:49] <ogra_> well, we dont need an ext2 /boot
[17:49] <ppisati> yep
[17:49] <ppisati> it's so x86
[17:49] <ppisati> and so old
[17:49] <ogra_> yep
[17:49] <ogra_> and we dont use it for anything :)
[17:49] <ogra_> all we use /boot for is to read kernel and initrd from there
[17:49] <TypoNAM> infinity: I'm specifically using unity-2d (Ubuntu-2D option) since regular unity has rendering problems with pvr sgx enabled
[17:49] <ogra_> to put them into the vfat
[17:49] <infinity> ogra_: Weeeeeell...
[17:50] <ogra_> or into flash
[17:50] <infinity> ogra_: We don't need it if we use flash-kernel and stuff everything on the SD.
[17:50] <ogra_> or other presistant storage the board needs to boot
[17:50] <infinity> ogra_: It becomes useful if you use bootz instead of bootm.
[17:50] <ogra_> why would that differ ?
[17:50] <infinity> (Like we do on the highbank machines)
[17:51] <ogra_> i mean, does bootz make any special use of /boot ?
[17:51] <infinity> Yes.
[17:51] <ppisati> anyway, it freak me out that you have so many problems with your beagle
[17:51] <infinity> We don't load from a vfat, we load from /boot
[17:51] <ogra_> oh, i thought its just a different bootm
[17:51] <infinity> Which is sane and reasonable.
[17:51] <ppisati> ogra_: ^
[17:51] <ppisati> ogra_: have you tried serial installation?
[17:51] <ogra_> infinity, depends
[17:51] <ogra_> ppisati, not yet, and i seem to get through this time
[17:51] <ppisati> ogra_: but still
[17:52] <ppisati> ogra_: even if it fails just once
[17:52] <ogra_> infinity, if your uboot cant support something else than vfat you cant use /boot
[17:52] <ppisati> ogra_: it's something we should look at
[17:52] <ogra_> yes, i will file bugs and all ... once i have a proper system
[17:52] <infinity> ogra_: extload is enabled in every uboot we ship.
[17:52] <ogra_> my dmesg if full of errors
[17:52] <ogra_> infinity, that does say nothing about OEM projects :)
[17:53] <ogra_> and i had my share of boot issues thanks to vfat /boot
[17:53] <ogra_> or rather dpkg issues
[17:54] <ogra_> if we once have a grub like bootloader (or even grub itself) i would go for /boot  ... as long as we go with uboot and flash-kernel, i wouldnt ... just adds the need for special casing again
[17:55] <infinity> ogra_: vfat /boot is never the right answer.
[17:55] <ogra_> heh, no
[17:55] <ogra_> i learned that the hard way, years ago with my first classmatePC image
[17:56] <ogra_> GEEZ !
[17:56]  * ogra_ bilt himself a new desktop machine last weekend ...
[17:56] <ogra_> and i cloned and merged the contents of several old /home dirs on the new install
[17:57] <ogra_> ... and i just stumbled over a loki install of unreal tournament GOTY in my homedir !
[17:57]  * ogra_ wonders if that still runs after all these years and on such new hardware
[17:58] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Games/ut$ ./ut
[17:58] <ogra_> ./ut-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:58] <infinity> Most of the old Loki ports still run, though the sound is suboptimal on a lot of systems.
[17:58] <ogra_> sad :(
[17:58] <infinity> Oh, and you might need some LD_PRELOADs. :P
[17:58] <ogra_> well, its also an x86 game i guess i would need chroot fiddling
[17:58] <infinity> I'm still annoyed with the Linux community in general that we didn't throw enough money at Loki to keep them afloat.
[17:59] <ogra_> ++
[17:59] <infinity> ogra_: Multi-arch libs should fix it.
[17:59] <ogra_> i think i even paid for this version
[17:59] <infinity> But yeah, hearing Linux gamers complain about the lack of top-shelf games on Linux when we had people actively porting, and no one bought their games.  Bleh.
[17:59] <ogra_> well, multi arch might not bring me back old libs that are not existing anymore
[17:59] <infinity> libx11.so.6 still exists.
[18:00] <infinity> Not sure what else UT might want.
[18:00] <infinity> ldd will tell you.
[18:00] <ogra_> oh, sure, but i expect things like libstc++ etc to show up too
[18:00] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Games/ut$ ldd ut
[18:00] <ogra_> 	\tdas Programm ist nicht dynamisch gelinkt
[18:00] <infinity> ut-bin
[18:00] <ogra_> lets see how well your german is ;)
[18:01] <infinity> Programm isn't dyanmically linked, of course.
[18:01] <ogra_> yep
[18:01] <infinity> That one was a bit too easy.
[18:01] <ogra_> haha
[18:01] <infinity> Technical German and English are too close.
[18:01] <ogra_> they are
[18:02] <ogra_> we just took what you already had and just pronounced it differently
[18:03] <infinity> To be fair, that's all English is, is German and French, poorly-pronounced.
[18:03] <infinity> So, it seems fair. :P
[18:03] <ogra_> heh
[18:03]  * ogra_ sighs ... with a 5760x1920 resolution i always lose track of where my mouse focus is
[18:04] <infinity> Get a bigger pointer?
[18:04] <infinity> Don't we have a "tap to hilight" option?
[18:04] <ogra_> i usually use focus-follows-mouse ... but that suddenly exposes other issues *and* is really hard to enable nowadays
[18:05] <ogra_> no, gnome dropped that "crtl to show mouse" feature
[18:05] <ppisati> i still use focus-follow-mouse
[18:05] <ogra_> well, try to play a flash movie fullscreen with FFM
[18:05] <ppisati> whenever you move the mouse it exits full screen
[18:05] <ppisati> i know :)
[18:05] <ogra_> if you can eneter it at all
[18:05] <scientes> yeah but that flash
[18:05] <ogra_> *enter
[18:05] <ppisati> it's verbotten! :)
[18:06] <ogra_> hehe
[18:06] <scientes> one of the buggiest commonly used pieces of software
[18:06] <scientes> (on linux_
[18:06] <ogra_> thats why adobe gave it to google now
[18:06] <ogra_> at least the linux one
[18:07] <scientes> lets see: audio problems, blue video tint with vdpau, stores big files in /tmp, drains battery, memcpy() where memmove() should be used
[18:07] <ogra_> i guess they will fix that
[18:07] <ogra_> given they plan to have it built into chromium
[18:08] <ogra_> anyway ... time to find some dinner
[18:08]  * ogra_ is off
[18:11] <scientes> https://static.fsf.org/nosvn/restricted-boots.jpg
[18:15] <GrueMaster> Blue tint with vdpau?  Ok, so it isn't just me.  And here I thought youtube was invaded by aliens.
[23:16] <TypoNAM> has anybody figured out a way to get ddd to stop hanging on "opening session" in Ubuntu 12.04?