[02:55] what is the current limit for an expansion signal as an input to the beagleboard-xm? === awafaa_ is now known as awafaa === zyga is now known as zyga-afk [10:49] is it possible to load ubuntu on tablets [10:50] it has processor cortex A8 [10:50] thats a pretty vague question [10:52] i have tablet pc which runs on android [10:53] i want it to works with ubuntu [10:53] is it possible to remove android and load ubuntu on it [10:53] well, if you have access to the bootloader , have the kernel source and know how to set both of these up, installing ubuntu is usually possible [10:54] first get the two first bits resolved, then come back [10:57] i have kernel source but i don't know to how to access bootloader [10:58] Aks: it's usually fastboot you can use for this [10:59] with fastboot support you can boot a different kernel than the flashed one shipping a special init-script to boot from an ext2 image on the internal flash disk [10:59] if your bootloader isnt locked down by the vendor [10:59] thats the best (and safest) way to get this done [10:59] (which it is on many tablets) [10:59] ogra_: yes, thats the condition to be able to do this [11:00] i'd suggest rephrasing - it is usually doable under these preconditions, but still requires considerable knowledge and is no click here, click there process. [11:00] i have 2.6.36-8-omap3 kernel m i be able to boot it using fast boot? [11:00] you need the kernel source special for the tablet you have [11:00] is your tablet an omap3 device ? [11:01] Aks: look at this http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=meta-smartphone.git;a=blob;f=meta-samsung/recipes-bsp/chroot-script/chroot-script/init.sh;h=4ad32a66258bd1163efe908608e65f37dc5b4c09;hb=HEAD [11:01] yes its on omap and i have kernels source . [11:01] for a suitable init script [11:02] can you give me step by step description of installing ubuntu on any tablet ? [11:03] now thats exactly what i meant. [11:03] Aks: thats not possible [11:03] Aks: a tablet is no PC as you know it where you can install everything [11:04] it's build for a very special case, to run android [11:04] is there any hardware limitation ? [11:05] Aks: there are bits and pieces of information available, and solving the puzzle will eventually enable you to install ubuntu on a platform. but there's not step by step guide, nor does anyone want to give that. [11:06] Aks: and you can't expect anything to work after you have ubuntu on the tablet [11:07] so its sad but true: if you have to ask, it is not for you. [11:07] LetoThe2nd: :) [11:08] am i sounding too pseudo-31337? [11:09] no [11:09] since you are right :) [11:10] its technically possible to do what he wants but you need quite some skills that go beyond basics [11:10] i know, i wouldn't be able to do it myself without a lot of effort. [11:11] right, same here, and i do it as a day to day job [11:11] LetoThe2nd: it's which is not worth you spend it on this [11:11] ya i am new to this so we want your help? [11:11] morphis: exactly, hence i do not even try. [11:11] LetoThe2nd: I did this for years now [11:12] started with the Palm Pre ended with the Nexus S [11:12] not ubuntu [11:12] but something else [11:12] it makes fun [11:12] but you spend too much time on it and never really get usable results [11:12] i think i got some good skills on arm linux, but in another direction. and i admit, exchanging android on a probably underdocumented device is not what i'd call fun to me. [11:13] :) [11:13] you learn a lot [11:13] but i guess i can judge the skillset needed - and i do not sense this kind of schwartz in our young padawan here. [11:13] :) [11:14] getting a working image for the toshiba ac100 took me several months ... and thats not even a tablet where you have to fight with the input setup too [11:15] it's bad but things are getting better with the years [11:16] definitely ... mostly thanks to linaor who work on unifying things like kernel and bootloader [11:16] *linaro [11:16] yes, linaro is a great effort === zyga-afk is now known as zyga === tinti is now known as Tinti === Tinti is now known as pedro === pedro is now known as tinti === tinti is now known as Tinti [13:10] ppisati, hmm, could it be that you forgot to close bug 1010009 in the last changelog of ti-omap4 ? [13:10] Launchpad bug 1010009 in linux-ti-omap4 "omapdss only works on some monitors in quantal" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010009 [13:16] ogra_: thanks, closed [13:16] :) [13:20] ogra_: by any chance, did you try your beagle xm? [13:20] no, i havent managed to get a properly working install still, will do a netboot server install now [13:23] ogra_: what you mean? [13:23] i only tested the desktop images dirung A2 [13:23] and these all failed ... since then i havent touched my XM [13:24] even the omap3 desktop? [13:24] yes [13:24] the only working image we had during A2 was panda [13:24] so you saw the same problems i mentioned in the email? [13:24] no, i couldnt get it booting iirc [13:25] i had errors during bootup (on xm rev a) [13:25] squashfs errors&c [13:25] which rev do you have? [13:25] also a rev a [13:25] ah [13:26] and i had seen the squashfs errors before but that was back when there were also USB and display issues [13:26] anyone with a beagle xm, an empty sd card and willing to do some tests? [13:26] i am, i just need to do an install first :) [13:31] ogra_: why don't you try daily? [13:34] because i was to lazy to zsync :P [13:34] but yeah, i should probably do that to make sure they work [13:43] ogra_: it seems to work on my rev c [13:43] ogra_: but doesn't on rev q [13:43] *a [13:43] ogra_: if you have another rev a, and we reproduce the same problem [13:43] hmm [13:43] that's a good hint [13:43] right [13:44] <_william_> do you know if there are any pla to release ARM repositories with the upcoming 12.10 ? [13:44] well, i can surely say i saw the squashfs errors before [13:44] _william_, ?? we release arm repos since 3 years [13:44] ogra_: ok, as soon as you can do another reinstall, that would be nice [13:44] ogra_: moreover, do you know who has another xm? [13:44] <_william_> ogra_: hu... what is the URL please ? [13:44] ppisati, 3:21 to go for zsync ;) [13:44] * _william_ feeling stupid ;) [13:45] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ [13:46] <_william_> excellent ogra_ ! i've been looking for this along time until i came to this chan [13:47] <_william_> even a few people from Canonical (i won't name ;) ) were not able to given me this url [13:47] <_william_> thanks a lot [13:49] welcome :) [13:49] we also roll installable images for some architectures [13:57] ppisati, hmm, apart from the fact that the spalsh is missing, the current daily looks fine to me [13:57] no squashfs erros on boot this time [13:58] (lets see how it behaves during copying) [13:58] argh [13:59] thats really messed up, it runs a live session ! [14:01] except for the last comment, i assume it's working for you [14:02] right? [14:03] right, i get into a fully functional live session [14:04] ogra_: this one? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap.img [14:04] yes [14:04] * ppisati tries again [14:05] <_william_> ogra_: so far i had only found images. Anyways... i'm going to try it over the next days. I'm trying to build a custom environnement based upon Armada chip [14:05] armadaxp ? [14:06] <_william_> armada 510 [14:06] <_william_> have you already tested with this processor ? [14:07] isnt that armv6 ? [14:08] (ubuntu only supports v7 and above) [14:09] <_william_> according to marvell it is ARM v6/v7-compliant [14:09] well, if its v7 it should work [14:09] <_william_> http://www.marvell.com/application-processors/armada-500/ [14:09] (if you can force that mode somehow) [14:10] <_william_> i'll get the answer soon ;) [14:10] well, that page only say v7 [14:11] they should make their mind up :P [14:11] i guess you are good [14:12] <_william_> 500 is v7 only, 510 seems to be v6/v7 [14:12] <_william_> let's test, i'll know it [14:33] [flag@newluxor ~]$ md5sum Downloads/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap.img [14:33] 6907b9027e355ea599935a8e268834e6 Downloads/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap.img [14:33] ogra_: with this img i still get tons of squashfs errors [14:33] ogra_: at this point i can only assume that my rev a is dying === zyga is now known as zyga-afk === zyga-afk is now known as zyga [15:16] ppisati, well, dont throw it away :) [15:20] hrmf! seems my network doesn't work after updating my pandaboard ubuntu 11.10 to latest (not 12.04). iwconfig/ifconfig looks good, but no ping/arp/nothing works. no firewall setup. any idea how to reboot with an old kernel on this thing? [15:23] RoyK: ls -al /boot [15:23] RoyK: choose the preferred version/kernel [15:23] RoyK: sudo flash-kernel 3.2.0-omap4 [15:24] RoyK: if, for example, you want to use that kernel [15:24] RoyK: btw, which kernel are you using now? [15:25] 3.0.0-1211-omap4 [15:25] erm... seems 3.1.0-1282 is installed, but not in use [15:26] so "flash-kernel vmlinuz-3.1.0-1282-omap4" ? [15:28] drop vmlinuz- [15:29] got it [15:29] thanks again [15:29] "sudo flash-kernel 3.1.0-1282-omap4" [15:33] no wait [15:33] if you are using 3.1.0-1282 it's not our kernel [15:34] no, thats from some TI PPA [15:34] still, if it worked before ... [15:34] tried it, and didn't work too well [15:37] found the error - PEBKAC [15:38] remove it ! [15:42] ppisati, Snd_omap_soc_beagle ... geez !! [15:42] what a mess [15:42] * ogra_ just saw the mails [16:40] ppisati, so even my netinstall has issues here ... i see lots of oopses and the NIC just hangs after a while (smsc95xx i think) [16:41] * ogra_ will file a bug if this installation ever ends [16:47] ogra_: omap4 or omap3? [16:47] 3 [16:47] havent touched any pandas today ... i keep my bamboo for mself :) [16:47] *myself [16:48] LOL :) [16:48] is it a server or desktop installation? [16:49] * ppisati never ever tried netinstall [16:49] netinst .... its neither [16:49] do i need a working video out? or i can everything from console? [16:49] *can i do [16:49] it drops you into tasksel ... if you dont select anything you get pretty much the same as deboostrap gets you ... but properly configured [16:49] we have serial and framebuffer netinst images [16:50] you can pick :) [16:50] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/quantal/main/installer-armhf/current/images/omap/netboot/ [16:50] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/quantal/main/installer-armhf/current/images/omap4/netboot/ [16:50] cool [16:50] any doc how to use it? [16:50] i mean [16:50] boot.img-fat-fb is what i currently use [16:51] just dd it to the SD and boot [16:51] i throw all the stuff in a vfat partition on my sd and btoo from there [16:51] after that? [16:51] wait [16:52] ok [16:52] i'll try [16:52] just dd [16:52] nothing else ... [16:53] you mean cp [16:53] no [16:53] dd [16:54] i see [16:54] you download the file and dd it to the sd card [16:54] it's a boot.img [16:54] then you plug it into the board and boot [16:54] right [16:54] the installer is the initrd [16:54] ack [16:54] i'll try [16:55] take -serial though since you want serial output i guess [16:55] yep [16:55] * ogra_ finds it intresting that the gzipped versions of the omap4 image are 9M while the omap3 ones are 16M [16:56] seems omap3 has a lot more content in it [16:57] ogra_: in master we probably compile more modules [16:57] ah, that might be [16:57] more udebs and udeb content [16:57] yep [16:58] where does it hang for you? [16:59] well, i left it alone, but it was stuck at "selecting software" where it tried to access the net to pull down Packages.gz [17:00] manually unloading the smsc driver and running dhclient eth0 fixed it ... but dmesg is full of oopses [17:00] here is at [17:00] "Loading additional components" [17:00] and it's downloading stuff [17:01] xm rev c [17:01] right, "selecting and installing software" is pretty much at the end of the install [17:02] ok [17:02] i'll go till the end then [17:02] it's partitioning [17:02] yeah, just let it run ... might also be cause by idling ... i left it for like 45min before i checked again [17:02] *caused [17:03] * ogra_ has the beagle on a spare input of one of his desktop monitors ... i only occasionally switch to the other input to check [17:06] "Installing the base system" [17:22] grrr *sigh* [17:22] crashed again while downloading packages [17:41] is anybody else having a problem where when I move my mouse pointer to the far right hand side edge in Unity desktop on Ubuntu 12.04 on pandaboard the mouse pointer completely disappears? I did ctrl+alt+F1 and then ctrl+alt+F7 to find just a completely white background canvas with my mouse pointer and nothing else is there as if my mouse got trapped in a second blank X11 session [17:42] the only way to get back into unity is to restart lightdm without rebooting :/ [17:45] ogra_: btw, it's still installing [17:46] for me it failed again ... [17:46] "Finishing the installation" [17:46] TypoNAM: I've never seen that with the default kernel and X drivers, no. Are you using something fancy, like TI's PPA? [17:46] lucky you [17:46] done [17:46] to me it looks like the traffic on the USB hub makes it fall over [17:47] but it doesn't boot [17:47] hooray, i made it past the point [17:47] it created an ext2 /.boot partition [17:48] yeah, thats fine [17:48] and anoither ext3 for the rest [17:48] ext3 ? [17:48] sigh [17:48] should be ext4 [17:48] ext4 [17:48] i think thats all NCommander's parted-uboot stuff [17:48] so it's a kamikaze instyallation [17:48] which we seriously dont need [17:48] it does all the stuff it needs to do [17:48] infinity: just using powervr sgx graphics package, but nothing developmental [17:49] but it doesn't create the vfat boot partition [17:49] well, we dont need an ext2 /boot [17:49] yep [17:49] it's so x86 [17:49] and so old [17:49] yep [17:49] and we dont use it for anything :) [17:49] all we use /boot for is to read kernel and initrd from there [17:49] infinity: I'm specifically using unity-2d (Ubuntu-2D option) since regular unity has rendering problems with pvr sgx enabled [17:49] to put them into the vfat [17:49] ogra_: Weeeeeell... [17:50] or into flash [17:50] ogra_: We don't need it if we use flash-kernel and stuff everything on the SD. [17:50] or other presistant storage the board needs to boot [17:50] ogra_: It becomes useful if you use bootz instead of bootm. [17:50] why would that differ ? [17:50] (Like we do on the highbank machines) [17:51] i mean, does bootz make any special use of /boot ? [17:51] Yes. [17:51] anyway, it freak me out that you have so many problems with your beagle [17:51] We don't load from a vfat, we load from /boot [17:51] oh, i thought its just a different bootm [17:51] Which is sane and reasonable. [17:51] ogra_: ^ [17:51] ogra_: have you tried serial installation? [17:51] infinity, depends [17:51] ppisati, not yet, and i seem to get through this time [17:51] ogra_: but still [17:52] ogra_: even if it fails just once [17:52] infinity, if your uboot cant support something else than vfat you cant use /boot [17:52] ogra_: it's something we should look at [17:52] yes, i will file bugs and all ... once i have a proper system [17:52] ogra_: extload is enabled in every uboot we ship. [17:52] my dmesg if full of errors [17:52] infinity, that does say nothing about OEM projects :) [17:53] and i had my share of boot issues thanks to vfat /boot [17:53] or rather dpkg issues [17:54] if we once have a grub like bootloader (or even grub itself) i would go for /boot ... as long as we go with uboot and flash-kernel, i wouldnt ... just adds the need for special casing again [17:55] ogra_: vfat /boot is never the right answer. [17:55] heh, no [17:55] i learned that the hard way, years ago with my first classmatePC image [17:56] GEEZ ! [17:56] * ogra_ bilt himself a new desktop machine last weekend ... [17:56] and i cloned and merged the contents of several old /home dirs on the new install [17:57] ... and i just stumbled over a loki install of unreal tournament GOTY in my homedir ! [17:57] * ogra_ wonders if that still runs after all these years and on such new hardware [17:58] ogra@anubis:~/Games/ut$ ./ut [17:58] ./ut-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [17:58] Most of the old Loki ports still run, though the sound is suboptimal on a lot of systems. [17:58] sad :( [17:58] Oh, and you might need some LD_PRELOADs. :P [17:58] well, its also an x86 game i guess i would need chroot fiddling [17:58] I'm still annoyed with the Linux community in general that we didn't throw enough money at Loki to keep them afloat. [17:59] ++ [17:59] ogra_: Multi-arch libs should fix it. [17:59] i think i even paid for this version [17:59] But yeah, hearing Linux gamers complain about the lack of top-shelf games on Linux when we had people actively porting, and no one bought their games. Bleh. [17:59] well, multi arch might not bring me back old libs that are not existing anymore [17:59] libx11.so.6 still exists. [18:00] Not sure what else UT might want. [18:00] ldd will tell you. [18:00] oh, sure, but i expect things like libstc++ etc to show up too [18:00] ogra@anubis:~/Games/ut$ ldd ut [18:00] \tdas Programm ist nicht dynamisch gelinkt [18:00] ut-bin [18:00] lets see how well your german is ;) [18:01] Programm isn't dyanmically linked, of course. [18:01] yep [18:01] That one was a bit too easy. [18:01] haha [18:01] Technical German and English are too close. [18:01] they are [18:02] we just took what you already had and just pronounced it differently [18:03] To be fair, that's all English is, is German and French, poorly-pronounced. [18:03] So, it seems fair. :P [18:03] heh [18:03] * ogra_ sighs ... with a 5760x1920 resolution i always lose track of where my mouse focus is [18:04] Get a bigger pointer? [18:04] Don't we have a "tap to hilight" option? [18:04] i usually use focus-follows-mouse ... but that suddenly exposes other issues *and* is really hard to enable nowadays [18:05] no, gnome dropped that "crtl to show mouse" feature [18:05] i still use focus-follow-mouse [18:05] well, try to play a flash movie fullscreen with FFM [18:05] whenever you move the mouse it exits full screen [18:05] i know :) [18:05] if you can eneter it at all [18:05] yeah but that flash [18:05] *enter [18:05] it's verbotten! :) [18:06] hehe [18:06] one of the buggiest commonly used pieces of software [18:06] (on linux_ [18:06] thats why adobe gave it to google now [18:06] at least the linux one [18:07] lets see: audio problems, blue video tint with vdpau, stores big files in /tmp, drains battery, memcpy() where memmove() should be used [18:07] i guess they will fix that [18:07] given they plan to have it built into chromium [18:08] anyway ... time to find some dinner [18:08] * ogra_ is off [18:11] https://static.fsf.org/nosvn/restricted-boots.jpg [18:15] Blue tint with vdpau? Ok, so it isn't just me. And here I thought youtube was invaded by aliens. === zyga is now known as zyga-afk === zyga_ is now known as zyga [23:16] has anybody figured out a way to get ddd to stop hanging on "opening session" in Ubuntu 12.04?