[00:59] <jasoncwarner_> hey robert_ancell and RAOF how is the system compositor stuff shaping up?
[01:00] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: From my end I've got all the video drivers doing the right thing; nouveau patches sent upstream, ati needs a little cleaning up. I'm cleaning now up my weston work to send it upstream.
[01:02] <RAOF> Huh. unity-window-decorator has died again.
[01:02] <thumper> ?
[01:02] <thumper> :(
[01:03] <jasoncwarner_> thanks, RAOF
[01:03] <RAOF> thumper: No titlebars ;)
[01:03] <RAOF> thumper: But, curiously, no crash file in /var/crash, either.
[01:04] <thumper> RAOF: I'm sure you don't need them :)
[01:05] <RAOF> I don't; alt-drag and ctrl-super-arrows works fine for what I want.
[02:08] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, slower from my end but working on it
[02:08] <robert_ancell> RAOF, btw, do we have a solution for the "picking the wrong video chip"?
[02:09] <jasoncwarner_> thanks robert_ancell, any thoughts as to when we might see first cut land?
[02:09] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, I'm hoping for monday
[02:11] <jasoncwarner_> thanks robert_ancell happy hacking!
[03:02] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Incidentally, in playing around I think you might need a bit of extra protocol for the display manager - a way to catch VT switching and SAK.
[03:03] <robert_ancell> RAOF, ok
[03:03] <RAOF> Depending on how far along you are you may have noticed this lack :)
[03:03] <robert_ancell> not yet :)
[03:12] <RAOF> Should you, at any point, go “you know, it'd be a lot easier if wl_display_manager did X”, you know where to call ☺
[04:00] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I think the first patch I'll write for weston/wayland is to make the programs support --help!
[04:00] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Not a terrible idea :)
[04:08] <robert_ancell> RAOF, No package 'glesv2' found - which package?
[04:09] <RAOF> robert_ancell: libgles2-dev
[04:09] <RAOF> Sorry, libgles2-mesa-dev
[04:09] <robert_ancell> oh, I installed libgles1-mesa-dev, yep, that fixed it, ta
[04:10] <RAOF> Yeah, GL|ES v1 isn't particularly interesting.
[04:13] <RAOF> smspillaz: Hey, you know when a periodically responsive responsive application gets greyed out by compiz, then finishes initialising and becomes totally responsive, but is still greyed out by compiz? (a) Why (b) how do I make you fix it? ☺
[04:14] <thumper> RAOF: smspillaz has gone sailing :)
[04:15] <RAOF> Time to fill his backscroll!
[04:16] <robert_ancell> RAOF, <protocol name="dislpay_manager"> btw
[04:16] <RAOF> ...!
[04:16] <RAOF> Ahem.
[04:16] <RAOF> Good thing that doesn't go anywhere in the code :)
[04:16] <robert_ancell> I figured :)
[04:41] <robert_ancell> RAOF, hmm, wl_display_connect is weird - it ignores name if there is an environment variable set, and unsets the variable
[04:42] <robert_ancell> I think I should proposed a wl_display_connect_to_fd or similar
[04:42] <RAOF> I agree; that's on my todo list.
[04:43] <robert_ancell> even weirder connect_to_socket also checks for WAYLAND_SOCKET, but it is never called if the environment variable is defined
[04:45] <robert_ancell> RAOF,  can you explain the "global_handler"?
[04:45] <robert_ancell> is that when the wayland compositor notifies that it has loaded the display manager module?
[04:45] <RAOF> It's a callback that gets all the “global” - ie: top level - objects.
[04:46] <RAOF> So the global_handler will be called for each of the top level objects the compositor exposes - wl_compositor, wl_seat, (in this case) wl_display_manager, wl_system_compositor, etc.
[04:49] <RAOF> It'll also get called should a new global turn up (eg: if you plug in a new seat)
[04:49] <robert_ancell> RAOF, have you done any glib main loop integration?  I'm guessing I just need to call wl_display_iterate when there's a read event on the fd?
[04:50] <RAOF> robert_ancell: That'd be pretty much it - there's the GTK wayland backend you could crib from.
[04:50] <RAOF> I'd guess they register the fd as a glib source and then do the funky chicken.
[04:53] <smspillaz> RAOF: *shrug* didn't know it remained grey
[04:53] <smspillaz> RAOF: look at the fade plugin
[04:54] <RAOF> smspillaz: K.
[04:54] <smspillaz> RAOF: though, if its remaining grey, I would first check if its actually responding to _NET_WM_PING
[04:54] <smspillaz> RAOF: it just might not be, that's all
[04:54] <smspillaz> or it might be responding but we might not know about it
[04:54] <smspillaz> (I'm assuming you're having some trouble with xwayland)
[04:58] <RAOF> smspillaz: No; smuxi, a GTK2 app.
[04:59] <smspillaz> hmm
[05:09] <robert_ancell> RAOF, and what's with the 'struct wl_display's?  Is this the 1980s?  They need to be typedef'd to WlDisplay or simialr
[05:11] <RAOF> robert_ancell: It's a coding preference, so that you can call the struct wl_display * variable wl_display.
[05:12] <robert_ancell> uh...
[05:22] <RAOF> Hm. I'm not sure that I've got damage handling completely correct on -ati :)
[05:25] <pitti> Good morning
[05:26] <RAOF> Hey pitti!
[05:29] <thumper> who do we know who knows gcc/gdb real well?
[05:29] <pitti> hey RAOF, how are you?
[05:31] <RAOF> Hey pitti! Pretty good.
[05:31] <RAOF> A bit tired; Sam's just getting over a cold and so hasn't been sleeping well. But the baby's doing well :)
[05:41] <pitti> RAOF: just saw your G+ post about Zoe; how much longer will you and she have to wait?
[05:42] <RAOF> 5 weeks is the ETA :)
[06:11] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF:  ! chriscoulson is expecting any day now...so many babies!
[06:11] <jasoncwarner_> (well, not chris, cuz, you know, science)
[06:12] <RAOF> Heh.
[06:13] <TheMuso> lol
[06:24] <didrocks> hello world!
[06:44] <rickspencer3> bonjour didrocks
[06:44] <rickspencer3> - le monde
[06:44] <didrocks> bonjour rickspencer3 ;)
[06:45] <didrocks> ça va ?
[06:45] <rickspencer3> ça va bien
[06:45] <rickspencer3> j'ai revenu de Nice lundi
[06:45] <rickspencer3> donc, je suis vraiment grillé
[06:45] <rickspencer3> et tois, didrocks? ça va?
[06:46] <didrocks> rickspencer3: ça va bien :) il fait très chaud ici
[06:47] <didrocks> rickspencer3: beaucoup de retours sur Quickly avec le app developer contest, il y a du travail à faire!
[06:48] <rickspencer3> didrocks, c'est bon, parc que, je m'enquiet que tu ne travais pas
[06:49] <rickspencer3> ;)
[06:49] <rickspencer3> didrocks, j/k :)
[06:49] <didrocks> rickspencer3: tu penses que je slacke tous les jours et que je vais à la plage? :)
[06:49] <didrocks> rickspencer3: oh une vague, je reviens :p
[06:49] <rickspencer3> lol
[06:50]  * didrocks imagines a hangout when someone sees his coworker with sunglasses, on sand, near the beach :)
[08:50] <xclaesse> seb128, any news on the tp-gabble update? was it fine with the big diff in the end?
[10:31] <smspillaz> didrocks: is there a freeze on lp:compiz ?
[10:31] <smspillaz> automerger doesn't seem to be doing much
[10:39] <didrocks> smspillaz: see #ubuntu-unity :p
[10:39] <smspillaz> :p
[11:20] <ogra_> hmm, funny
[11:20] <ogra_> i have a three display setup ... clicking on the indicators on tzhe middle and right screen, the menu stays open automatically, clicking on the indicators on the left screen, the manu closes as soon as i release the mouse button
[11:21] <ogra_> s/manu/menu/
[11:34] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson :)
[11:35] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, how are you?
[11:35] <didrocks> I'm fine thanks, and you?
[11:36] <chrisccoulson> yeah, not too bad thanks
[11:36] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I wanted to ask for a long time, but your option to only show "inbox" in the messaging menu doesn't impact the notification as well (it's still showing for every folders), is that wanted?
[11:37] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, i think so
[11:37] <chrisccoulson> i'm not really sure though :)
[11:37] <didrocks> shouldn't we do that rather? :)
[11:37] <didrocks> like this option is only "tell me about inbox"
[11:41] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, possibly. perhaps it needs some design input
[11:47] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: was the option designed?
[11:48]  * didrocks will come with a patch otherwise :p
[11:48] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i haven't done anything with notifications. that requires a change to thunderbird, rather than an addon
[11:48] <didrocks> oh
[11:57] <seb128> mvo, hey, aptdaemon testing? 20 days in proposed and counting :-(
[11:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[11:58] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, i'm good thanks. how are you?
[11:59] <seb128> good, thanks ;-)
[13:35] <mpt> smspillaz, hi, Evan and I are working on a replacement for the "The window ... is not responding" alert, and we'd like to get your sanity-check on a couple of things.
[14:20] <ritz> seb128, ping . howdy ? https://code.launchpad.net/~khadgaray/unity-lens-applications/fix-lockdown/+merge/113251 , does this look good ?
[14:21] <seb128> ritz, hey
[14:21] <didrocks> ritz: unity doesn't depend on gnome-desktop anymore btw
[14:22] <ritz> oow
[14:22] <seb128> ritz, the code change looks fine to me, but we need the depends
[14:22] <seb128> what didrocks says and in any case if you use something directly you should depends on it
[14:22] <seb128> not rely on a third party to bring it in for you
[14:22] <ritz> fair enough
[14:23] <seb128> the third party might change and stop doing that or you might stop at some point drop the third party use and hit the bug
[14:23] <didrocks> I would rather checking that at startup
[14:23]  * dobey wonders how exactly to file this really annoying bug
[14:23] <didrocks> and disaply a message in alt+F2
[14:23] <didrocks> display*
[14:24] <seb128> dobey, which one?
[14:25] <dobey> seb128: multihead not working with Core i7 3770S graphics on 12.04 (or 12.10), and the 12.10 daily image GPU locking when it tries to load X
[14:25] <seb128> dobey, check with mlankhorst
[14:25] <didrocks> ritz: commented on the MR
[14:27] <dobey> ok
[14:27] <mlankhorst> dobey: what revision? (lspci)
[14:27] <dobey> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Ivy Bridge Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[14:28] <mlankhorst> dobey: hm do you have a bug entry open?
[14:29] <dobey> mlankhorst: not yet, no. not sure exactly how/where to file
[14:29] <mlankhorst> dobey: just file against xorg, it will get reassigned from there
[14:29] <dobey> ok
[14:30] <dobey> will do. need to run an errand real quick first.
[14:30] <dobey> brb
[14:30] <mlankhorst> same, before stores close
[14:30] <mlankhorst> brb
[14:41] <desrt> didrocks: much progress on the profiles?
[14:46] <didrocks> desrt: I just read the doc, more working on the unity release and fixing bugs right now
[14:46] <desrt> cool
[14:47] <didrocks> desrt: I'll try on my spare time to look at what we can do, but I prefer landing working components first :)
[15:26] <Sweetshark> seb128: desktop meeting is 1530UTC Tuesday, right?
[15:26] <seb128> Sweetshark, correct
[15:31] <Sweetshark> seb128: if you look in your inbox, you will know why I asked ;)
[15:31] <seb128> Sweetshark, got the email, thanks :-)
[15:38]  * desrt catches the bug
[15:39]  * desrt becomes addicted
[15:41] <seb128> desrt, what bug?
[15:42] <desrt> seb128: (figuratively) the test coverage report bug
[15:42] <desrt> gotta collect 'em all!
[15:43] <seb128> desrt, oh :-)
[15:43] <desrt> dconf finally gets proper testing :)
[15:45] <ricotz> hello everyone
[15:45] <ricotz> desrt, hi :)
[15:45] <seb128> hey ricotz
[15:45] <ricotz> desrt, have you seen this http://paste.debian.net/plain/177714 ?
[15:46] <ricotz> desrt, does this look like something real, or some messed up system of mine?
[15:46] <ricotz> seb128, hey
[15:46] <desrt> ricotz: looks like heap corruption
[15:46]  * mlankhorst melts
[15:47] <desrt> a crash in malloc() is a pretty sure sign that the backtrace is completely meaningless
[15:47] <desrt> not because it's an indication that the backtrace is corrupted
[15:47] <desrt> but because it's a sure sign that the real bug happened somewhere earlier
[15:47] <ricotz> desrt, i see
[15:47] <mlankhorst> to the valgrind mobile!
[15:48] <desrt> yup
[15:48] <desrt> valgrind will probably do a better job of catching it earlier
[15:48] <ricotz> desrt, mlankhorst, will do ;)
[16:25] <ricotz> desrt, this doesnt look really useful http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/log/g-c-c.valgrind.log
[16:27] <ricotz> desrt, not sure could be related to http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=257b42e2f9d0759cc79967034f80c571c600faf3
[17:06]  * didrocks waves good evening
[17:18] <MrChrisDruif> jasoncwarner_; Not me, because I know science?
[17:40] <desrt> ricotz: looks like you found some interesting bugs anyway :)
[17:42] <ricotz> desrt, you are welcome :)
[17:56] <ricotz> desrt, ok, reverting the commit in question fixes the crash
[17:57] <ricotz> bbl
[18:29] <dobey> bcurtiswx: how's this wx? exterior thermometer in my car just read as 109F fun times. :)
[18:32] <bcurtiswx> this isn't even the worst day, it's 99 and feels like 102
[18:37] <bcurtiswx> 37-39C for those non USA people
[18:49] <dobey> bcurtiswx: well, 3/4 of my CPU cores are cooler than the air is outside :)
[18:49] <bcurtiswx> lol
[18:50] <mlankhorst> dobey: I heard that before and I can't imagine that being the case here, although overclocked sandy bridge is really nice performing :)
[18:53] <dobey> mlankhorst: where is "here?"
[18:53] <mlankhorst> netherlands, quite hot today
[18:54] <mlankhorst> although it cooled off due to rain :)
[18:56] <dobey> ah, well
[18:57] <dobey> it does tend to get a bit hotter here :)
[19:05] <kenvandine> dobey, a bit... i spent 10 minutes in my garage at lunch today and gave up
[19:05] <kenvandine> :)
[19:05] <dobey> heh
[19:06] <kenvandine> my wife can survive a little longer with a flat tire on her bike, too damn hot to replace it today
[19:07] <dobey> kenvandine: you'll have to do it at 3 am when it's reasonably cool outside
[19:07] <kenvandine> indeed
[19:07] <smspillaz> mpt: I commented on the review
[19:07] <kenvandine> or go all redneck and roll it into the house where there is AC :)
[19:07] <smspillaz> mpt: I'm in the Canadian timezone so ....
[19:08] <kenvandine> which i am more likely to do :)
[19:08] <smspillaz> desrt: CANAdA
[19:08] <smspillaz> *CANADA
[19:08] <kenvandine> blame canada!
[19:08] <smspillaz> tsh!
[19:08]  * kenvandine loves that movie :)
[19:08] <dobey> kenvandine: or get a portacool or something, so you have ac in the garage :)
[19:08] <smspillaz> kenvandine: I rewrote the lyrics to that song substituting "nvidia" for canada
[19:09] <kenvandine> it is easily 10 degrees hotter in the garage
[19:09] <kenvandine> hahaha
[19:09] <kenvandine> dobey, i have a friend in san diego that has heat and AC in his garage
[19:10] <kenvandine> not sure the heat is that useful, but i could go for the AC
[19:11] <dobey> well, heat is useful in winter
[19:21] <smspillaz> meh
[19:21] <smspillaz> gles + unity got all flakey again :(
[19:21] <smspillaz> this is what happens when nobody runs the code for a while
[19:45] <desrt> smspillaz: i hear you're on vacation
[19:45] <desrt> smspillaz: and i wonder what you're doing on irc ;)
[19:46] <dobey> well, it's only what, 3 am? :)
[19:47] <smspillaz> desrt: I don't start my official holidays until like
[19:47] <smspillaz> the 8th
[19:48] <smspillaz> since I can't really take like 6 weeks leave
[19:48] <smspillaz> dobey: well, 11am in my current tz
[19:48] <smspillaz> more like 12 actually
[19:48] <dobey> oh
[19:48] <desrt> doesn't sound ike canada
[19:48] <smspillaz> desrt: 1 ?
[19:49] <smspillaz> pm ?
[19:49] <desrt> if you're in BC, it's 10 minutes to 1
[19:49] <smspillaz> yeah
[19:49] <smspillaz> sorry, time flies
[19:50] <smspillaz> I haven't reset the clock on my laptop yet so I often just don't know what time it is
[19:50] <desrt> it's always the same time
[19:50] <desrt> time to write unit tests!
[19:50] <smspillaz> have a guess what I'm doing now
[19:51] <desrt> writing unit tests, i hope
[19:53] <smspillaz> kinda
[19:53] <smspillaz> trying to figure out why a branch full of unit tests won't put -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 (or whatever it was) on the gcc command line
[19:53] <smspillaz> on the build machines
[19:54] <desrt> pkg-config fail
[19:54] <smspillaz> desrt: cmake being weird
[19:54] <desrt> there you go
[19:54] <smspillaz> desrt: it seems to work okay locally
[19:55] <smspillaz> I'm really hoping that telus doesn't have bandwidth caps
[19:55] <smspillaz> because my unit landlord is going to hate me if they do
[19:56] <smspillaz> desrt: oh, btw, I got a wind sim while I was here
[19:56] <smspillaz> desrt: good recommendation, even if I have to use their roaming network
[19:56] <smspillaz> its still like 10x cheaper than using telstra overseas and about 5x cheaper than what rogers is normally
[19:57] <desrt> wind++
[19:57] <desrt> they have cover in vancouver, though
[19:57] <desrt> you shouldn't have to be roamin
[19:57] <smspillaz> desrt: right, but my phone doesn't support their band
[19:57] <smspillaz> the 1700Mhz one
[19:57] <desrt> why didn't you get one of their cheapo models?
[19:58] <smspillaz> desrt: their roaming network is almost as cheap
[19:58] <desrt> they have phones for like... twice the price of a sim card
[19:58] <smspillaz> and I prefer to use my own phone
[19:58] <desrt> fair enough
[19:58] <smspillaz> desrt: also, I'd have to use the roaming network anyways since I'ma ctually on vancouver island
[19:58] <desrt> lulz.
[19:58] <desrt> wind just became an even better phone company
[19:59] <desrt> used to be their roming rate for the US was the same as their 'out of network' rate in canada
[19:59] <smspillaz> still good though, I bought $15 worth of credit and have been using my phone quite a bit and still hvaen't used it all up
[19:59] <desrt> makes sense... may as well roam on t-mobile as rogers, right?
[19:59] <desrt> looks like they just extended that logic to _all of europe_
[19:59] <smspillaz> mother's gone through $60 of fido and dad's been through $300 of rogers
[20:00] <smspillaz> desrt: hahaha
[20:00] <smspillaz> desrt: they sound very "no bullshit"
[20:00] <desrt> now i have 20¢ minute roaming pretty much everywhere i ever travel
[20:00] <smspillaz> desrt: and 10c texting ?
[20:00] <desrt> and $1/MB data (which, as far as these things go, is not so bad)
[20:00] <desrt> 15
[20:00] <smspillaz> desrt: heh. maybe I should just keep my wind sim and ditch telstra in australia
[20:00] <smspillaz> desrt: might be cheaper to do that
[20:01] <desrt> seems that australia is not included in this europe thing they're talking about...
[20:01] <desrt> unless that's a typo for austria?
[20:01] <smspillaz> ah, I kinda assumed australia
[20:01] <smspillaz> desrt: one day ...
[20:01] <smspillaz> desrt: you know your phone carrier is good when their roaming rates are better than local rates
[20:02] <desrt> that's been true for a while in canada at least
[20:02] <smspillaz> indeed
[20:02] <desrt> you pay less on roger's network with wind than you do with rogers
[20:02] <smspillaz> lol
[20:02] <desrt> but i wouldn't use rogers as a good comparison for... anything at all, really
[20:03] <smspillaz> yeah
[20:03]  * smspillaz points to his dad
[20:03] <desrt> other than perhaps criminal mistreatment of customers
[20:03] <desrt> (they've got a couple of class action suits in the courts right now... i like watching them squirm)
[20:03] <smspillaz> desrt: wasn't that the whole system fee or something ?
[20:04] <desrt> yup.  that's one of them
[20:04] <smspillaz> there was just this fee charged over ... basically nothing
[20:04] <desrt> call a $8/mo fee a "government regulatory recovery charge"
[20:04] <smspillaz> the "give us money because we're price fixing"
[20:04] <desrt> people are gonna assume that that has something to do with the government
[20:04] <smspillaz> really? that obvious?
[20:05] <desrt> their logic is "this covers our costs of doing business under government regulation"
[20:05] <smspillaz> usually they call it like "maintainence"
[20:05] <desrt> like, it would be cheaper if our towers were allowed to give you cancer, you know!
[20:05] <desrt> this stuff is expensive!
[20:05] <smspillaz> haha
[20:05] <desrt> srsly...
[20:05] <desrt> anyway.. they renamed it to "system access fee" after a while
[20:06] <smspillaz> yeah I heard about it on the radio when I was driving
[20:06] <desrt> but the disinformation was so intense by that point that the people working in their stores were still telling people it was a government fee
[20:06] <smspillaz> lol
[20:07] <smspillaz> desrt: I was pretty suprised though, when I was getting my wind sim the guy at the store (and it was a wind reseller) was actively encouraging me to "compare other plans first and then come back"
[20:07] <desrt> they have another one working its way throug habout charging customers money to leave
[20:07] <desrt> even when they didn't sign a contract
[20:07] <smspillaz> oh exit fees?
[20:08] <smspillaz> hmm yeah
[20:08] <desrt> i felt this one personally :)
[20:08] <smspillaz> those are definitely forbidden under most trade practises legislation
[20:08] <desrt> i told them to get fucked.  they sent me to collections.
[20:08] <smspillaz> desrt: how much was it ?
[20:08] <desrt> i got calls for a year or so and then they stopped
[20:08] <desrt> $68, iirc
[20:08] <smspillaz> see, I would have just paid the $68, but that doesn't help the cause
[20:09] <desrt> ya.. no way i was going to pay
[20:09] <desrt> i got into a call with a manger-type at one point
[20:09] <desrt> it came down to "these are our terms and conditions.  we print them on every bill we mail you." (i had paperless, and never saw any terms)
[20:10] <smspillaz> those kinds of things still don't hold up in court
[20:10] <desrt> i said "so... if your terms and conditions that i've never seen a copy of said that i owe you a million dollars, i would have to pay it?"
[20:10] <desrt> "yes."
[20:10] <desrt> that's the point that i realised that there are truly some absolute insanity at that company
[20:10] <smspillaz> customer service should never answer legal questions
[20:10] <desrt> *is
[20:11] <desrt> i welcome them to sue me for it
[20:11] <desrt> somehow they didn't feel that they wanted to
[20:11] <desrt> i wonder why...
[20:11] <smspillaz> desrt: though it depends if they could put out an argument that you had agreed to stay with them for a fixed period of time so they could claim a loss of the contract price
[20:11] <desrt> smspillaz: problem is that i signed no contract
[20:11] <smspillaz> if you didn't, then the contract price for them is basically indeterminate
[20:12] <smspillaz> desrt: right, it might have been contractless, but if they can make our an argument that you agreed to stay with them for a fixed period they have some ground to stand on
[20:12] <desrt> i was on a month-to-month term
[20:12] <desrt> i cancelled at the end of the month
[20:12] <desrt> and they charged me for the next month
[20:12] <smspillaz> but you're right, they didn't have such ground
[20:12] <desrt> (their specific term is that i have to give 30 days notice of cancellations)
[20:13] <smspillaz> desrt: that sounds like a bimonthly contract to me
[20:13] <smspillaz> or bimonthly term
[20:13] <desrt> nah.  it's a monthly term with a "we get to charge you for one extra month at the end"
[20:13] <smspillaz> yeah they can't do that
[20:13] <desrt> it didn't matter if i cancelled on an 'even' or 'odd' month
[20:14] <desrt> i know they can't.  they certainly tried, though :)
[20:14] <smspillaz> thankfully, the courts realized a long time ago that penalty clauses are stupid
[20:14] <desrt> (and i'm sure they've succeeded with many others -- for some reason people are scared of collections calls)
[20:15] <smspillaz> I probably would be, but then again I just don't feel like caring about it after a while
[20:26] <hallyn> say, in the past i thought meta-w would spread out windows on the current desktop.  what should i use for that now?
[20:27] <hallyn> (it now seems to spread out all windows of the same applciation as i'm on)
[20:27] <hallyn> hm, no, something more random than that
[20:52] <dupondje> Eh, Empathy has no more menu bar ? :)
[21:20] <cyphermox> jbicha: poke
[21:20] <cyphermox> have you been trying out empathy and such from quantal-proposed for eds?
[21:21] <cyphermox> empathy doesn't appear to work for me, and gnome-contacts looks kind of broken too
[21:21] <cyphermox> though I'm half expecting that's because of black magic done to have things look good for gnome-shell, maybe
[21:22] <cyphermox> bbl -- testing out this hypothesis
[21:26] <xclaesse> dupondje, empathy uses the new GMenu stuff to put the menu into gnome-shell... I've no idea how unity present that
[21:30] <dupondje> xclaesse: I use gnome-shell, but doesn't seem to work neither :)
[21:31] <jbicha> cyphermox: what part of empathy is broken for you?
[21:31] <dupondje> menu doesn't show at least :)
[21:32] <dupondje> in empathy
[21:32] <jbicha> I'd expect gnome-contacts to not work right until we get the 3.5.3 version built
[21:34] <jbicha> hmm, I had the empathy gmenu in gnome-shell until I actually opened a chatroom :(
[21:34] <dupondje> no menu at all here
[21:37] <jbicha> cyphermox: yeah, I'd say empathy's menus aren't working very well, even in gnome shell
[21:57] <mpt> smspillaz, oh, it's not really related to the review
[21:59] <mpt> smspillaz, two things. (1) @e plan to add, to the 5-second greying out, a 30-second alert explaining that the program has hung and giving you the chance to shut it down or relaunch the app.
[22:00] <mpt> (2) Currently if you try to close a hung window, you get the "not responding" alert, and then it un-hangs, the parent window doesn't close. We plan to just close it, since that's what you asked for originally.
[22:01] <mpt> smspillaz, if you see any problems with either of those, post them and I'll see them in the morning. :-) Thanks.
[22:01]  * mpt -> home
[22:04] <mpt> Spec at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#app-hang>, but missing a couple of the wireframes.
[22:12] <cyphermox> jbicha: it's much worse than just the menus, no contacts show up
[22:16] <cyphermox> I do get the menus... well, *the* menu, for contacts and for empathy
[22:17] <cyphermox> jbicha: I did build 3.5.3
[22:17] <cyphermox> (gnome-contacts)
[22:17] <smspillaz> mpt: sounds sane-ish, however there are cases where a hang isn't really a hang, but rather just the system being starved itself
[22:20] <smspillaz> mpt: so maybe it should grey out, 5 seconds after greying out, if the user has not hit "close" then have two options "wait 30 sec and restart" or "wait 30 sec and close", if the user has hit close, then just kill it and display a thing saying that it hung and do you want to send a bug report
[22:35] <cyphermox> robert_ancell: would you be ready to push the e-d-s stuff to -releases? (asking because I see you've changed it earlier)
[22:35] <cyphermox> I would ask for stuff to be copied if it's pretty much ready-ish
[22:37] <Laney> (at least) evo is still building
[22:39] <cyphermox> yeah, I mean aside from that :)
[22:41] <robert_ancell> cyphermox, I don't have the permissions to do the push but yes, everything should be good to go once built
[22:41] <cyphermox> the permissions would be fine, I'll ask seb tomorrow or someone else
[22:42] <cyphermox> I think it would go tomorrow, unless chrisccoulson is ready for thunderbird to make it to -release too
[22:54] <stgraber> anyone with upload rights to the release pocket can copy packages, so unless you're not a coredev, you definitely have the required permissions to pocket copy
[22:54] <cyphermox> stgraber: it's not quite ready yet anyway
[22:55] <Laney> stgraber: You also need to be able to delete from -proposed, no? We talked about this in #-release a few days ago
[22:56] <Laney> a few people were of the strong opinion that non-AAs definitely should /not/ be doing this, anyway ;-)
[23:01] <stgraber> Laney: you don't "need" to delete from -proposed, as long as an AA goes through the pending-sru report and runs the delete commands every now and then