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ubot5New news from planetubuntu: Stuart Langridge: Together in electric fags <http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/07/05/together-in-electric-fags>01:44
jussielectric fags :D Oh stuart, I love you :P05:52
Tm_Twell that's a subject to discuss here (;06:09
AlanBellthey are USB powered07:38
AlanBellwonder if they draw 100ma or negotiate for 500ma07:38
AlanBelldunno if they would need a kernel driver for that07:39
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m4vAlanBell: The amount of current is determined by the type of load you connect. Lower imperance loads demand higher current. If they demand more than what the usb port can supply, the voltage drops and a short circuit follows if there's no build-in protection .20:26
AlanBellm4v: there is a negotiation protocol20:28
m4vthere is? sounds silly to negotiate current for a constant voltage supply.20:28
AlanBelleverything is allowed to draw 100ma at first which is one unit of load20:29
AlanBellthey can ask the bus if they can have up to 5 units20:30
AlanBellthis is so the voltage does not drop20:30
AlanBellit can just take 500ma, but that is outside the spec if it doesn't ask nicely for it20:31
AlanBellwhich is why some low quality netbooks crash when you plug in a 3G dongle20:31
m4vI see, there's a current limiter or protection circuit then.20:37
AlanBellI don't know how/if it is enforced20:37
AlanBellbut to be within the spec a device has to ask nicely before taking lots of power20:37
AlanBellthis means a completely dumb device can have 100ma and be a compliant USB device, but it has to have a tiny bit of cleverness to have a power negotiation conversation, but I am not sure if that means that aquarius's fags need a kernel driver20:41
AlanBellI would think that they would at least show up in lsusb if they are doing a power negotiation20:42
m4vmight be at hardware level20:42
m4vis probably the current protection that is set to kick in at 100ma, and you negotiate for a higher limit.20:43
m4vbut then... it shouldn't crash anything, the device would fail to work.20:44
AlanBellapparently they don't show up in lsusb20:46
AlanBellI have a hacked apart USB extension cable and a multimeter for checking current draw of USB devices, used it to prove that the netbook was crap, and the dongles were out of spec20:47
m4vpower negotiation sounds like something that should be done at hardware level, but I'm just guessing.21:05
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