[02:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Together in electric fags - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/07/05/together-in-electric-fags
[07:17] <popey> morning
[07:22] <dwatkins> hiya
[07:29] <christel> morning lovelies
[07:31] <DJones> Morning all
[07:40] <jacobw> morning all
[07:57] <diplo> Morning all
[08:10] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:26] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:30] <AlanBell> morning czajkowski
[08:32] <popey> yo
[08:33] <czajkowski> my inbox looks like a disaster zone
[08:33] <czajkowski> :/
[08:33] <czajkowski> busy day ahead
[08:36] <Songtao> hello
[08:36] <Songtao> my google-chrome not start in ubuntu 12.04, I tried strace it
[08:37] <Songtao> the end line message is: recvmsg(7,
[08:37] <Songtao> and stop
[08:38] <bigcalm> Songtao: does it work if you rename ~/.config/chromium/ to something else so that it creates a new config?
[08:38] <Songtao> -- SIGWINCH (Window changed) @ 0 (0) ---
[08:38] <Songtao> recvmsg(7, 0xbfbfe5c8, 0)               = ? ERESTARTSYS (To be restarted)
[08:38] <Songtao> --- SIGWINCH (Window changed) @ 0 (0) ---
[08:38] <Songtao> recvmsg(7,
[08:39] <bigcalm> !paste | Songtao
[08:39] <Songtao> sorry
[08:39] <bigcalm> :)
[08:40] <Songtao> there is no chromium under .config
[08:42] <Songtao> because the trace message dose not mean anything to me, I tried strace on a working pc, the end line message should be: sigreturn()
[08:42] <Songtao> exit_group(0)
[08:46] <bigcalm> Songtao: did you compile from source or install via the Ubuntu Software Centre?
[08:46] <popey> bigcalm, where do you get the google chrome source? :)
[08:47] <popey> note chrome, not chromium
[08:47] <bigcalm> popey: I have no idea :) I'm just speculating
[08:47] <popey> heh
[08:47] <popey> excellent, we need more wild speculation here!
[08:47] <bigcalm> popey: I run chromium here, installed via USC. But I still call is chrome
[08:48] <bigcalm> s/is/it/
[08:48] <Songtao> bigcalm, I just download it from google, and install it by ubuntu software centre
[08:48] <bigcalm> Songtao: that could be a good pointer as to why it's not working
[08:48] <JamesTait> Mornin' all! :)
[08:49] <bigcalm> Songtao: you will need to remove the package you installed and then look for "Chromium" in the USC. It's a version of Chrome that works perfectly (mostly) in Ubuntu
[08:49] <popey> no no no
[08:49] <bigcalm> No?
[08:49] <JamesTait> No no there's no limit?
[08:49] <popey> chrome from google is fine
[08:49]  * bigcalm goes back to his code
[08:49] <popey> Songtao, dpkg -l google-chrome*
[08:49] <popey> :)
[08:51] <Songtao> but I got another pc, which got google-chrome and chromium, they all working fine
[08:52] <popey> Songtao, are you on the pc with the chrome issue now?
[08:53] <Songtao> lubotu3, :-D I could not find a way to post a new topic ?
[08:54] <popey> Songtao are you on the computer right now?
[08:55] <Songtao> yes
[08:55] <Songtao> I am on it by ssh
[08:57] <popey> Songtao, can you please run dpkg -l google-chrome*
[08:57] <popey> and pastebin the output
[08:58] <Songtao> :-D, where do I post the output on pastebin ?  I followed the url http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/, but did not find a way to post a new topic:-[
[08:59] <dwatkins> !pastebin
[08:59] <dwatkins> hope that helps :)
[09:05] <Songtao> found it:
[09:05] <Songtao> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076091/
[09:05] <Songtao> this is the output for runing sudo dpkg -l google-chrome
[09:05] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:06] <DJones> If anybody is heading on the M6 today, might be an idea not to reports of the M6 being closed due to a suspect package with armed police in attendance and a chemical spill on teh M6 Toll, I suspect its all one incident and its just the M6 toll looking at other reports though
[09:07] <popey> Songtao, thats not what I asked.. you missed the star off the end
[09:08] <Laney> and you don't need sudo.
[09:08] <Songtao> that is all
[09:09] <Songtao> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076096/
[09:09] <Songtao> this is all message I got:)
[09:10] <mattt> DJones: interesting
[09:11] <dwatkins> Today I learned that you can specify wildcards in dpkg -l, thanks to popey.
[09:11] <popey> Songtao, again.. you missed the star
[09:12] <popey> dpkg -l google-chrome*
[09:12] <Songtao> ha, got it
[09:12] <Songtao> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076099/
[09:12] <Songtao> I am stupid
[09:12] <popey> nah
[09:13] <popey> ok, so chrome is installed, yay
[09:15] <DJones> mattt: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-18719962#TWEET169050
[09:16] <dwatkins> I'm always surprised at the number of people who use the M6 toll.
[09:17] <mattt> "The Highways Agency said traffic was stationary and the closure was likely to remain in place until early afternoon."
[09:17] <mattt> OUCH!
[09:17] <mattt> err ouch :)
[09:18] <dwatkins> they'll lose a lot of money, I wonder why they stopped the coach.
[09:18] <whiskers_> coo
[09:19] <diplo> I know a few people who use the toll, just because its emptier
[09:22] <Songtao> Here is the strace output for google-chrome, this is far away out my understanding.
[09:22] <Songtao> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076109/.
[09:23] <bigcalm> Without the strace. What happens when you try to run chrome from the cli?
[09:25] <Songtao> just stop response
[09:26] <bigcalm> Can you pastebin the result?
[09:27] <Songtao> what result?
[09:27] <Songtao> run from cli ?
[09:27] <bigcalm> Yes
[09:29] <Songtao> $google-chrome
[09:29] <Songtao> that is it:)
[09:29] <bigcalm> Ok, thanks. Wondered if there was anything one could google against
[09:29]  * bigcalm goes back to his code again
[09:30] <Songtao> thanks for everyone
[09:44]  * AlanBell heads out to lunch www.simpsonsinthestrand.co.uk
[09:45] <bigcalm> Swanky
[09:45] <bigcalm> OpenERP?
[09:50] <bigcalm> And isn't it a bit early for lunch?
[09:51] <popey> nice
[09:51] <gord> its never too early for lunch
[09:52] <bigcalm> But if you have lunch too early, you have a long wait for tea
[09:52] <gord> have a second lunch
[09:52] <bigcalm> A good lunch puts me to sleep ;)
[09:53] <jpds> bigcalm: So you'll be sleeping while waiting.
[09:53] <bigcalm> jpds: rather than working
[09:53] <bigcalm> Actually, that sounds appealing
[10:03] <davmor2> morning all
[10:06] <bigcalm> morning davmor2
[10:06] <AlanBell> choo choo
[10:08] <bigcalm> davmor2: using Geany, it's ok but has things that bug me. All IDEs bug me in different ways. Maybe this one will bug me less than others
[10:08] <gord> bigcalm: tried sublime?
[10:08] <gord> geany/sublime are really only text editors not IDEs
[10:08] <bigcalm> gord: no, wassat?
[10:09] <gord> its a really nice text editor, if thats all you want, its great
[10:09] <gord> http://www.sublimetext.com/
[10:09] <bigcalm> gord: indeed, I get that feeling. But davmor2 was singing its praises, so I'm giving it a go
[10:09] <gord> yeah i used to use geany way back, its fine
[10:09] <davmor2> gord: bigcalm is used to things like netbeans
[10:09] <bigcalm> And Eclipse
[10:09] <bigcalm> And PhpEd
[10:10] <gord> then use those :P
[10:10] <bigcalm> As I say, every one has things that bug me. But I'm open to trying new ones to see what I like
[10:11] <gord> crazy people who don't use vim
[10:11] <bigcalm> Indeed
[10:11] <bigcalm> One day I'll try using VIM as an IDE
[10:12] <bigcalm> We'll see
[10:12] <gord> what i like about sublime is it takes the most useful features of vim and puts them in a nice gui package, the multiple selections and stuff you see on the main page http://www.sublimetext.com/
[10:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: you'd be an emacs abuser
[10:13] <bigcalm> davmor2: never used emacs so can't comment
[10:18] <diplo> notepad++ in wine bigcalm :)
[10:18] <diplo> gedit is also quite good
[10:18] <bigcalm> diplo: I have paid for TextPad. I used that for a long time :)
[10:19] <diplo> Keep going back to netbeans though, if it wasn't so heavy I think i'd stay with it
[10:19] <bigcalm> diplo: I just use NetBeans for PHP, so it's quite light
[10:19] <bigcalm> diplo: a lot lighter than Eclipse
[10:19] <diplo> yeah so do i, but it still uses huge amount of mem
[10:19] <bigcalm> What's the python IDE of choice?
[10:20] <diplo> yeah never got on with eclipse
[10:20] <diplo> vim/geany/gedit
[10:20] <diplo> I've never tried a dedicated one and tbh not tried any python in Netbeans
[10:20] <bigcalm> Eclipse has all of the features I know and love. But it just wibbles itself to death when given large projects to manage
[10:23] <diplo> But overall I'm the same as you, all ides/editors have peaves
[10:25] <gord> bigcalm: komodo was good last i tried python
[10:25] <dogmatic69> What would be better for NAS, 7200rpm 16mb buffer or 5400rpm 32mb buffer HDD?
[10:26] <diplo> That's the other one i use gord / bigcalm
[10:26] <bigcalm> gord: when I get around to learning python, I'll give it a go ta
[10:26] <diplo> Use it home most of the time
[10:35] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: I suspect the throughput of the network interface is a much more important factor
[10:36] <dwatkins> check what the bottlenecks are and you'll probably find that reading from the disk is much faster than anything else
[10:36] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: its a gigabit
[10:37] <dwatkins> so about 100 Megabytes per second?
[10:38] <dogmatic69> I guess about there
[10:39] <dwatkins> a SATA 3.0 disk will output 6 Gbit/s, i.e. 768 Megabytes per second
[10:40] <dogmatic69> its SATAII
[10:40] <dwatkins> ah ok, only 384 Megabytes per second
[10:40] <dogmatic69> ye
[10:40] <dwatkins> so the question is whether you can maximise the disk's throughput for a 5400 rpm disk
[10:41] <dogmatic69> I guess the CAT5 will be flooded long before the drive is
[10:41] <dwatkins> or if at 5400 rpm, you're limited to a much lower input or output speed which makes it slower than the network can deliver
[10:41] <dwatkins> indeed, unless it's really slow, which I doubt - I'd be interested to see some figures on this, though.
[10:41] <dogmatic69> oh, also its RAID 5 possibly
[10:41] <dwatkins> also depends on the nature of the data, seek speed etc. of course
[10:41] <dogmatic69> 4 drives
[10:42] <dwatkins> so you have the additional factor of the throughput of the RAID array
[10:42] <dogmatic69> raid something, not decided
[10:42] <dwatkins> think of it as a series of tubes ;)
[10:42] <dogmatic69> sounds more like pipes, and the cat5 is a straw :/
[10:43] <dwatkins> perhaps, but you could also potentially combine gigabit interfaces if your switch allows it.
[10:43] <dogmatic69> not currently
[10:44] <dogmatic69> I think the nas has 2x eth, but think its for redundancy
[10:44] <dwatkins> My 'NAS' is a netbook with a USB-attached 2 TB disk. I don't care that it's a bit slow, since it manages to play the media I want without any problem.
[10:44] <dogmatic69> :)
[10:45] <dwatkins> I also sometimes run applications on it graphically, that's when the Atom CPU really shows how slow it is ;)
[10:45] <dwatkins> especially HandBrake
[10:47] <gord> tbh, i'll take cache over drive speed any day
[10:47] <gord> i've seen 5400rpm drives outperform some of my 7200 drives in benchmarks because of better caching
[10:48] <diplo> I've got 5400's in my Microserver
[10:48] <diplo> Work well for me
[10:49] <directhex> i have a decent 5900rpm drive
[10:49] <directhex> or maybe my wife does
[10:49] <directhex> either way, an old 7200rpm drive is no guarantee of fast
[10:59] <dogmatic69> the 5400rpm drive is slightly more expensive too, sign of being better I guess
[11:00] <popey> not sure what speed my microserver drives are..
[11:00] <bigcalm> Miss-read as microwave
[11:01] <dogmatic69> lol
[11:01] <popey> ST2000DL003-9VT166
[11:02] <dogmatic69> my nas says max 4x 500gb drives :(
[11:02] <popey> ooh, nice, smartctl tells me some of my drives shouldn't be touched
[11:02] <popey> "==> WARNING: Using smartmontools or hdparm with this
[11:02] <popey> drive may result in data loss due to a firmware bug.
[11:02] <popey> ****** THIS DRIVE MAY OR MAY NOT BE AFFECTED! ******
[11:02] <popey> "
[11:02] <bigcalm> How do I check the health of my RAID1?
[11:02] <popey> cat /proc/mdstat
[11:03] <bigcalm> Then what am I looking for?
[11:03] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076217/
[11:05] <gord> sigh, reminds me. have to replace a drive in my raid. its now twice the price i paid for it originally :(
[11:05] <bigcalm> Ouchie
[11:07] <mattt> bigcalm: looks ok ?
[11:07] <directhex> popey, oh, i think i was hit with that
[11:07] <popey> i haven't updated mine :S
[11:07] <directhex> popey, had to retire a drive with that warning, due to bad sectors
[11:08] <directhex> popey, i failed to find the firmware, since the url on the smartmontools site is dead
[11:08] <bigcalm> mattt: that's the point, I have no idea either way :)
[11:08] <mattt> bigcalm: no, it's def. OK
[11:08] <bigcalm> Good good
[11:08] <popey> [UU] is good
[11:08] <popey> [_U] isnt :)
[11:08] <mattt> and [2/2]
[11:08] <mattt> [0/2] would be ungood
[11:09]  * mattt is afk
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> [O_o]
[11:24]  * BigRedS wonders what he'd need to do to md to get that
[11:24] <bigcalm> ?
[11:24] <BigRedS> [O_o]
[11:25] <BigRedS> I just like the thought of getting an SMS from nagios with that in it
[11:25] <bigcalm> Ah
[11:25] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:32] <bigcalm> I'm going to have to put that into my error responses
[11:36] <mattt> :)
[13:20] <czajkowski> gord: where did you get the bendy legs from ?
[13:21] <gord> amazon
[13:21] <gord> i have amazon prime, if i get something and its not from amazon, its because it wasn't on amazon ;)
[13:22] <czajkowski> gord: linkafy me
[13:22] <bigcalm> Oh, a gollapod
[13:23] <bigcalm> gorillapod even
[13:25] <gord> czajkowski: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002FGTWOC
[13:26] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I know a system you could have searched for that product with ;)
[13:27] <czajkowski> bendy legs wasnt doig it for me:)
[13:27] <bigcalm> Haha
[13:27] <bigcalm> Vodka gives me bendy legs
[13:27] <gord> oh hey cool, its slightly cheeper than when i orderd it yesterday >:(
[13:28] <bigcalm> czajkowski: they come in various sizes. The one gord linked to is to cope with the weight of an SLR and big lenses
[13:28] <czajkowski> nods
[13:28] <czajkowski> I have a DSLR
[13:28] <bigcalm> Yay
[13:28] <bigcalm> I have one that doesn't get near enough usage these days
[13:29] <bigcalm> Though I did enjoy shooting Hayley in the garden recently
[13:29] <gord> had a play during lunch, worked really well with my Canon 600D's built in exposure bracketing, takes three pictures rapidly at different expsures, then you build that into an hdr image
[13:29] <bigcalm> Ug
[13:30] <bigcalm> HDR is horrible when done by the masses :(
[13:30] <bigcalm> Which is why I've kept away from it
[13:30] <gord> well sure, if you try and make something striking with it, it looks terrible. however if all you want to do is take a photo of a nice landscape and not have the sky completely blow out on you or the landscape be super dark, its great
[13:31] <gord> 8-bits just ain't enough to represent the world as we see it
[13:31] <bigcalm> I agree :)
[13:31] <bigcalm> I'm terrible at splicing images together
[13:32] <bigcalm> Oh, but I have taken some shots for autostitch to play with
[13:32] <gord> and of course, every HDR shot i take for the next 1000 or so pictures will be gawd awful, like everything photography related, its only the 1001'st shot that ends up looking okay ;)
[13:32] <bigcalm> I'm glad I have my roots in film :)
[13:39] <jacobw> are any applications packaged in ubuntu for wine?
[13:40] <jacobw> i'm working on packaging a windows application for use with wine for ubuntu desktops and looking for previous attempts
[13:41] <gord> didn't one of the humble bumble games do that or something?
[13:41] <Laney> jacobw: pre-compiled?
[13:44] <DJones> Wasn't the google picassa application for ubuntu just the windows version with a wine wrapper around
[13:46] <Laney> if it's binaries then the package amounts to just copying them into place with a shell script wrapper to launch the program under wine and a desktop file.
[13:51] <popey> Limbo is a wine bottle
[13:52] <popey> jacobw, ^^
[13:57] <AlanBell> mmm wine
[13:57]  * AlanBell just had some rather good wine
[13:59] <Pendulum> AlanBell: business lunch?
[14:02] <bigcalm> popey: what prog do you use to take images with your webcam?
[14:05] <AlanBell> Pendulum: yes, a working lunch ;)
[14:05] <popey> !info webcam
[14:05] <popey> ^^ bigcalm
[14:05] <popey> sudo apt-get install webcam :)
[14:06] <popey> sans smiles
[14:06] <popey> https://www.google.com/search?q=popey+webcam
[14:06] <popey> :D
[14:06] <bigcalm> :)
[14:12] <diplo> I used that after the popey's blog
[14:12] <diplo> Worked really well
[14:12] <diplo> Not used it recently though
[14:15] <jacobw> Laney: yeah
[14:15] <jacobw> Laney: assuming you mean that i'm distributig windows binaries only
[14:19] <bigcalm> It's segfaulting on me :(
[14:19] <diplo> webcam ?
[14:20] <bigcalm>   uploading.jpeg => webcam.jpg
[14:20] <bigcalm> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[14:20] <diplo> Precise ?
[14:20] <bigcalm> Same for both the webcam in the laptop and the external usb one
[14:20] <bigcalm> diplo: yes
[14:20] <diplo> Want me to test here, can install/setup
[14:20] <diplo> ?
[14:20] <bigcalm> Please do :)
[14:21] <diplo> installing...
[14:21] <diplo> What were you trying to upload to, so I can re-create
[14:21] <bigcalm> Oh, hold on :)
[14:22] <bigcalm> A local machine
[14:22] <bigcalm> referred to by name
[14:23] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076489/
[14:24] <diplo> OK, got file created
[14:24] <diplo> next part
[14:29] <diplo> Worked for me :)
[14:30] <diplo> only difference is mine was by ip and root on a centos box ( all i had spare )
[14:30] <bigcalm> :(
[14:30] <diplo> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 72284 Jul  5 16:30 webcam.jpg
[14:30] <diplo> [root@ccompaq webcam]# ls -ltr
[14:30] <diplo> total 84
[14:30] <diplo> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 82983 Jul  5 16:31 webcam.jpg
[14:32] <diplo> Not permissions or something
[14:32] <popey> i reduced the delay = 6 to delay =0 :)
[14:32] <popey> now I get LOTS of images
[14:32] <popey> alan@homeserver:/srv/webcam/archive/2012/07/05/14$ ls -l | wc -l
[14:32] <popey> 2825
[14:32] <popey> per hour
[14:32] <popey> alan@homeserver:/srv/webcam/archive/2012/07/05/14$ du -hs .
[14:32] <popey> 304M
[14:32] <popey> :D
[14:33] <diplo> heh
[14:33] <diplo> Cron to clean it quite often i hope
[14:33] <popey> -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan  65M Jul  5 15:11 2012070514.avi
[14:33] <popey> monster hourly videos too now
[14:33] <popey> they were about 8MB
[14:34] <dogmatic69> popey: thanks, been looking for a command to get the size of a dir :D
[14:34] <popey> heh
[14:34] <gord> you might as well just start recording videos instead of pictures :P
[14:34] <popey> yeah, at 1fps
[14:34] <popey> not far off.. 3600 per hour..
[14:35] <popey> i might drop the threshold for an hour and see how many pics I get
[14:35] <popey> more than 1/sec I bet
[14:35] <gord> oh its based on movement?
[14:35] <popey> it can be
[14:35] <gord> well i guess difference since the last image taken
[14:35] <popey> you set a threshold, if movement goes over the value it snaps a pic, if not, it ignores it
[14:36] <popey> yes
[14:36] <gord> watch you don't start entering the territory of it just picking up noise
[14:36] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076508/
[14:36] <popey> i have a terminal full of that
[14:36] <popey> threshold is 120
[14:36] <popey> if I up it a bit I'll get fewer images
[14:38] <bigcalm> Does webcam work with uvc?
[14:39] <Azelphur> Just bought one of these, http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/recon/ gonna try and write cross platform drivers for it :D
[14:41] <popey> bigcalm, no idea, does uvc present a /dev/video0 ?
[14:42] <bigcalm> Yes
[14:42] <popey> should do
[14:42] <popey> is it not worky?
[14:42] <bigcalm> It's seg faulting
[14:43] <popey> pastebin your config sans user/passwords
[14:43] <bigcalm> I'm having a look at using an prog that I had a hand in making back in g2006
[14:43] <popey> i have had it segfault here
[14:43] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076489/
[14:44] <popey> in the terminal you ran webcam, can you scp a file to /home/iain/www_dump/webcam
[14:44] <popey> with no password prompt?
[14:45] <bigcalm> No, it will ask for a password as I haven't set up keys
[14:46] <bigcalm> Isn't that the point of adding username and password to the config file?
[14:46] <diplo> Dunno, I set up ssh keys before trying
[14:46] <diplo> :)
[14:47] <bigcalm> Ug
[14:47] <diplo> Is it not for FTP ? set ssh=0 and ftp client may work ?
[14:47] <popey> you can do ftp if you want
[14:47] <popey> i use ssh
[14:47] <bigcalm> Except I don't have an ftpd running
[14:47] <popey> but have keys setup
[14:47] <diplo> I used ssh as well
[14:47] <diplo> keys take 2 seconds bigcalm
[14:47] <popey> and load the key before I run webcam
[14:47] <diplo> Dooooooo iiiiittttttttt.
[14:48] <bigcalm> So what are the username and password fields for?
[14:48] <diplo> ftp I'd guess
[14:48] <diplo> multi user config
[14:48] <diplo> So need the username for ssh
[14:51] <diplo> Guy who wrote it hasn't referenced anything on his website about webcam software.. lots of others
[14:52] <diplo> man webcam isn't specific either
[14:52] <bigcalm> It install a public key on a server, I just copy it into ~/.ssh ?
[14:52] <bigcalm> s/It/To/
[14:54] <popey> no
[14:54] <popey> ssh-copy-id hostname
[14:54] <popey> it will do it for you
[14:54] <bigcalm> Doh, append it to authorised_keys
[14:54] <bigcalm> Silly me
[14:54] <popey> ssh-copy-id does the same
[14:54] <popey> just easier :D
[14:56] <bigcalm> ssh -i insecure_rsa iain@proliant
[14:56] <bigcalm> That works at last
[14:57] <bigcalm> So, can I pass -i and the key to webcam?
[14:57] <diplo> Do you create seperate keys for different servers ?
[14:58] <bigcalm> I tend to, yes
[14:58] <diplo> I think I am just lazy, 95% of mine are internal servers anyhoo
[14:58] <bigcalm> This key I just created has no pass phrase, so I don't want to use it other than for this
[14:59] <bigcalm> Maybe I can run an export line before running webcam
[15:00] <bigcalm> Is there a environment variable to set the default key to be used?
[15:02] <popey> aquarius, heard the news that the bus pulled over on the m6 was because of vapour from an e-cig :D
[15:03] <aquarius> popey, t's a trap!
[15:03] <bigcalm> Hehe
[15:03] <brobostigon> lol, very funny.
[15:03] <diplo> aquarius: I read your blog post, I just recently re-gave up after starting again for last 2 years or so
[15:03] <diplo> I know a few who have got addicted to the e-fags so just beware
[15:04] <aquarius> better than being addicted to real fags
[15:05] <bigcalm> Last night I dreamt that I was smoking again. I always wake up feeling very guilty from such dreams
[15:06] <dogmatic69> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1939809007 lol
[15:07] <diplo> yeah, I'm 5 months ( on the 14th ) clear now
[15:07] <diplo> Was 12 years prior to starting again :(
[15:08] <bigcalm> 26th August will see my 10th year of no ciggies
[15:08] <diplo> Was harder to give up the second time from 5-10 a day from when i gave up before @ 60 a day
[15:08] <diplo> So prompt you to never get back into it, it's hell!
[15:08] <diplo> :)
[15:09] <bigcalm> Ug
[15:09]  * dogmatic69 needs to quit the habit :/
[15:09] <popey> \o/ never smoked
[15:09] <bigcalm> No chance of me starting again, just in my dreams that it annoys me
[15:09] <dogmatic69> popey: dont start :P
[15:09]  * bigcalm gives popey  a kipper to smoke
[15:09] <diplo> Still every day fight for me :(
[15:11] <dogmatic69> diplo: ever go on reddit?
[15:12] <dogmatic69> there is a stop smoking sub reddit that is pretty good
[15:13] <diplo> Yeah i do, but not often..
[15:13] <diplo> I've stopped, just between kids and work I fancy one
[15:13] <diplo> I won't smoke again, can't afford it, don't like the smell
[15:13] <diplo> etc etc
[15:13] <diplo> Just enjoyed it
[15:18] <bigcalm> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076568/
[15:27] <ali1234> hmm. i spent weeks designing an algorithm to simulate the motion of a particle constrained to a curved surface and it turns out i could have done it in a couple of days if i had just known that it was the true definition of a geodesic.
[15:28]  * ali1234 shakes fist at wikipedia
[15:29] <diplo> try setting debug on bigcalm ?
[15:29] <diplo> If debug in the ftp section is set to 1 the complete communication between  web‐ cam  and  the  ftp  utility  is  printed  to stderr
[15:29] <diplo> Mine by default is set to 3
[15:33] <bigcalm> I see
[15:33]  * bigcalm tinkers
[15:34] <bigcalm> No difference
[15:34] <bigcalm> Doesn't matter what value debug has
[15:34] <bigcalm> It's always the same output
[15:35] <ali1234> gdb, strace etc
[15:36] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076597/
[15:37] <diplo> Lot's of no such file / directory
[15:37] <diplo> I don't get those
[15:38] <bigcalm> Lots of the same file it can't find
[15:38] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076600/
[15:38] <popey> thats my current config
[15:39] <bigcalm> I'll see if that works for me
[15:41] <diplo> Does www_dump/webcam exist ?
[15:41] <bigcalm> diplo: yes
[15:41] <diplo> I'm trying to break mine to get it segfault the same
[15:42] <bigcalm> Well, I would try the config, except the laptop I was sshed into has just switched itself off :)
[15:42] <diplo> /dev/video0 exist ?
[15:44] <bigcalm> iain@iain-laptop:~$ ls /dev/video*
[15:44] <bigcalm> /dev/video0  /dev/video1
[15:44] <ali1234> what does gdb say?
[15:44] <diplo> Tried them both I guess
[15:44] <bigcalm> diplo: yes
[15:45] <popey> you dont have anything else holding onto the camera like skype or google hangout?
[15:45] <popey> lsof | grep /dev/video
[15:45] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076615/
[15:45] <ali1234> bigcalm: now type "run"
[15:46] <ali1234> then when it crashes type "bt"
[15:46] <ali1234> and then pastebin the output
[15:46] <bigcalm> Ah, ok
[15:47] <Azelphur> ali1234: I bought one of these, gonna try and make drivers :) http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/recon/
[15:47] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076616/
[15:47] <bigcalm> A permission issue
[15:47] <bigcalm> Cheese works though
[15:47] <ali1234> bigcalm: that's a bit odd. different error. it exited without crashing
[15:48] <diplo> Ooh not used gdb before, seems quite helpful
[15:48] <bigcalm> Humm, I was missing the config file, let me try again
[15:49] <ali1234> ah, gdb won't run setuid programs
[15:49] <ali1234> so if webcam is setuid root you need to run gdb as root
[15:50] <ali1234> or you could change the permissons on the video device
[15:51] <bigcalm> I forget, how do I add my user to a group?
[15:51] <ali1234> gpasswd -a <user> group
[15:51] <bigcalm> Ta
[15:52] <ali1234> then you must log out and log in again
[15:52] <bigcalm> That fixed it
[15:52] <bigcalm> Aye
[15:52] <bigcalm> http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/webcam/webcam.jpg
[15:52] <bigcalm> I need to clean the window :(
[15:53] <diplo> more cloud shots :(
[15:53] <bigcalm> Hehe
[15:53] <bigcalm> diplo: what would you prefer?
[15:53] <diplo> boobs ?
[15:53] <bigcalm> It reminds me of playing Quake
[15:53] <bigcalm> !ohmy | diplo
[15:53] <diplo> pfft a natural and beautiful thing
[15:53] <diplo> :)
[15:54] <diplo> Clouds are over rated
[15:54] <bigcalm> diplo: or did you mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booby
[15:54] <bigcalm> ?
[15:54] <diplo> Also known as Boobies, I like that it's a good fallback
[15:55] <diplo> Did not know there was a bird kwown as that :P
[15:55] <gigix> boobies ?
[15:55] <bigcalm> Really?
[15:55] <diplo> yes, it redirects you to that page as well
[15:55] <diplo> :P
[15:55]  * bigcalm tuts
[15:56] <diplo> A booby is a seabird in the genus Sula, part of the Sulidae family. Boobies are closely related to the gannets
[15:56] <bigcalm> Right, now that's getting pretty pictures, I shall do some work
[15:56] <diplo> Named from some spanish slang :)
[15:57] <diplo> And I shall go home I guess, I've done nothing in the last 2-3 hours anyhoo
[15:58] <diplo> http://tawkify.com/
[15:58] <diplo> Matches you based on Klout score, oh dear me!
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> Klout score?
[15:59] <diplo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klout
[15:59] <diplo> Another stupid start up
[16:01] <diplo> right
[16:01] <diplo> gn all, catch you later
[16:01] <bigcalm> Toodles
[16:11] <MartijnVdS> Oodles of toodles/
[16:13] <andylockran> howdy all
[16:15] <andylockran> Just got sent a job description by a recruiter.. took one look and thought 'hmm, they're using the ubuntu font'
[16:15] <andylockran> turns out it's a job at Canonical
[16:16] <andylockran> reckons I'm too 'lite' for the role, (Project Manager) - but might take a closer look.
[16:16] <Laney> there's quite a few jobs listed atm
[16:16] <andylockran> any recommendations on whose ear I need to bend?
[16:18] <popey> about what?
[16:19] <popey> the roles usually are quite verbose :)
[16:20] <gord> and may or may not reflect anything that you may be working on
[16:20] <popey> heh
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> "working"
[16:22] <gord> http://open.spotify.com/track/7n7YSF2Wp7MMzkwqdN7NBt Myrtti's may appreciate
[16:24] <Myrtti> wohoo
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> \o/ Comic Sans day tomorrow (in .nl anyway)
[16:29] <Myrtti> gord: I love you
[16:29] <bigcalm> :O
[16:29] <gord> its great right?
[16:29] <Myrtti> it is
[16:29] <gord> there is a whole album up there
[16:29] <Myrtti> instant summer feeling
[16:29] <bigcalm> I should have a look
[16:30] <bigcalm> Currently chillin' to Bentley's Gonna Sort You Out
[16:40] <bigcalm> Something silly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1EbSoiNh_Q
[17:35] <dogmatic69> What does this mean? http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1968194891
[17:35] <dogmatic69> 'updates kept back'
[17:36] <dogmatic69> I added a ppa for php5.4 but forgot to apt-get update before installing :/
[17:55]  * mattt sings 'merica, eff yeh!'
[17:55] <mattt> worst song ever to get stuck in your head :(
[18:08] <ali1234> http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/webcam.jpg
[18:08] <Azelphur> It's a tree
[18:09] <ali1234> correct
[18:09] <Azelphur> \o/
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> +100 internets! http://mashable.com/2012/07/05/walmart-facebook-pitbull-alaska/
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> mattt: http://unhearit.com/
[19:08] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: lol
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: Mashable or unhearit? :)
[19:11] <dogmatic69> mashable
[19:11] <dogmatic69> I want to unhear that music though
[19:11]  * dogmatic69 likes something a bit heavier, like slipknot
[19:12] <ali1234> lol, goons
[19:12] <ali1234> is there anything they can't ruin?
[19:12]  * MartijnVdS waits for 0:00
[19:50] <bigcalm> Silly VirginMedia
[19:57] <bigcalm> Webcam has taken some splendid images. Looking forward to posting the final video later
[19:57] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: what is wrong with virgin?
[19:58] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: phone tv and internet all went away for about an hour or so
[19:58] <dogmatic69> bah
[19:58] <dogmatic69> that is horrible
[19:59] <bigcalm> Bah indeed
[19:59] <bigcalm> I've had worse :)
[19:59] <dogmatic69> "oh, the internet is dead. Ill watch some.... DOH"
[19:59] <dogmatic69> worse?
[19:59] <bigcalm> Internet went away for a week earlier this year
[19:59] <bigcalm> Phone and tv don't bother me
[19:59] <dogmatic69> worst. nightmare. ever.
[19:59] <bigcalm> Haha
[20:00] <dogmatic69> I got bt phone and internet, phone is in a draw somewhere
[20:00] <dogmatic69> less annoying when its not plugged in
[20:00] <bigcalm> Heh
[20:30]  * BigRedS is going to ask a Windows question
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> uh oh ;)
[20:30] <BigRedS> I think I have no DHCP client in this Windows install. Is there a way of getting it that's not so much hassle as to not be worth it simply to play games on the train?
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> Windows comes with DHCP
[20:30] <BigRedS> No, windows should come with DHCP :)
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> If you have a TCP/IP stack, it has DHCP
[20:31] <BigRedS> Yeah, but I never get a DHCP lease
[20:31] <BigRedS> if I configure an IP address I have networking, though
[20:31] <BigRedS> so it appears that all that doesn't work is teh getting of a dhcp lease
[20:31] <BigRedS> which is confusing me somewhat
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> firewalling?
[20:32] <AlanBell> evening all
[20:32] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: perhaps, I'll have a look
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: either Windows Firewall or some crappy 3rd-party thing (part of lots of virus scanners) can block ports
[20:33] <BigRedS> pointedly, it's never worked
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Does the "Fix this for me" button work?
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: "Repair"?
[20:33] <BigRedS> I clicked through the installer and then installed Debian when I got it, adn the other week I tried to use it and it wouldn't connect
[20:34] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: the "diagnose this" button grumbles that the diagnostics service isn't running...
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> Sounds like a messed-up install
[20:34] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: is there a repair thingy on a windows 7 cd?
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> start the service :)
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea
[20:35] <BigRedS> I get 'Access is denied' when I try that
[20:36] <BigRedS> yeah, nor I. Think I'll take a book :)
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> are you administrator?
[20:36] <BigRedS> yeah
[20:36] <BigRedS> it sounds all sorts of broken
[20:36] <BigRedS> but I'm not sure how much of it is by design
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> What's the history of the Win install?
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> DHCP and "Repair" should work on a default install
[20:36] <BigRedS> In february last year I installed it so it'd let me boot off a CD to install Debian
[20:36] <BigRedS> about six weeks ago I booted into Windows for the first time since and teh networking didn't work so I turned it off
[20:37] <BigRedS> today I thought I'd try fixing it
[20:37] <BigRedS> so it's got no excuse for being so wonky
[20:37] <BigRedS> but I've no install media, and apparently the thingy on it for making a recovery cd actually makes three dvds
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> it does
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> it's a full re-imaging set
[20:38] <BigRedS> 12G of install media?
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> yes
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> it's crazy
[20:38] <BigRedS> blimey
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> I have a machine here that makes _4_ DVDs
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> and most of it is crapware I uninstalled immediately!
[20:38] <BigRedS> what the hell does it do with all that space?
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> crapware ;)
[20:38] <BigRedS> it can't install into much more..
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> trial versions of expensive antivirus (use MS Essentials for free, same result)
[20:39] <BigRedS> ah yeah, I've just got a lot of things beginning with "Think"
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> Lots of programs to tweak fan speed (wut.. do that for me.. you're the computer)
[20:39] <BigRedS> haha, finally, someone who agrees with me on that!
[20:39] <BigRedS> I've never understood paying to get a thingy for a PC to get a knob with which to adjust the fan speed
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: A coworker explained to me why he does it on his laptop -- he doesn't want the laptop to burn his legs off while watching a film
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> I think the threshold temperature for turning on the fan is too high :)
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> (but more fan = more battery, and 4 hours looks nicer on the spec sheet)
[20:41] <BigRedS> haha, I suppose
[20:42] <AlanBell> aquarius: do your fags show up in lsusb?
[20:42] <BigRedS> haha
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Not when he smokes them in parallel 8-)
[20:43] <aquarius> they do not :)
[20:46] <AlanBell> thanks aquarius :)
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> Wouldn't firewire be more appropriate?
[20:53] <bigcalm> There, I did one toohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy6Py5byy7M
[20:53] <bigcalm> Add space