[02:18] [Stuart Langridge] Together in electric fags - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/07/05/together-in-electric-fags [07:17] morning [07:22] hiya [07:29] morning lovelies [07:31] Morning all [07:40] morning all [07:57] Morning all === KillerJim|Away is now known as KillerJim === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:10] Good morning peeps :) [08:26] aloha [08:30] morning czajkowski [08:32] yo [08:33] my inbox looks like a disaster zone [08:33] :/ [08:33] busy day ahead [08:36] hello [08:36] my google-chrome not start in ubuntu 12.04, I tried strace it [08:37] the end line message is: recvmsg(7, [08:37] and stop [08:38] Songtao: does it work if you rename ~/.config/chromium/ to something else so that it creates a new config? [08:38] -- SIGWINCH (Window changed) @ 0 (0) --- [08:38] recvmsg(7, 0xbfbfe5c8, 0) = ? ERESTARTSYS (To be restarted) [08:38] --- SIGWINCH (Window changed) @ 0 (0) --- [08:38] recvmsg(7, [08:39] !paste | Songtao [08:39] Songtao: Pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) === Killerjim is now known as KillerJim [08:39] sorry [08:39] :) [08:40] there is no chromium under .config [08:42] because the trace message dose not mean anything to me, I tried strace on a working pc, the end line message should be: sigreturn() [08:42] exit_group(0) [08:46] Songtao: did you compile from source or install via the Ubuntu Software Centre? [08:46] bigcalm, where do you get the google chrome source? :) [08:47] note chrome, not chromium [08:47] popey: I have no idea :) I'm just speculating [08:47] heh [08:47] excellent, we need more wild speculation here! [08:47] popey: I run chromium here, installed via USC. But I still call is chrome [08:48] s/is/it/ [08:48] bigcalm, I just download it from google, and install it by ubuntu software centre [08:48] Songtao: that could be a good pointer as to why it's not working [08:48] Mornin' all! :) [08:49] Songtao: you will need to remove the package you installed and then look for "Chromium" in the USC. It's a version of Chrome that works perfectly (mostly) in Ubuntu [08:49] no no no [08:49] No? [08:49] No no there's no limit? [08:49] chrome from google is fine [08:49] * bigcalm goes back to his code [08:49] Songtao, dpkg -l google-chrome* [08:49] :) [08:51] but I got another pc, which got google-chrome and chromium, they all working fine [08:52] Songtao, are you on the pc with the chrome issue now? [08:53] lubotu3, :-D I could not find a way to post a new topic ? [08:53] Songtao: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [08:54] Songtao are you on the computer right now? [08:55] yes [08:55] I am on it by ssh [08:57] Songtao, can you please run dpkg -l google-chrome* [08:57] and pastebin the output [08:58] :-D, where do I post the output on pastebin ? I followed the url http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/, but did not find a way to post a new topic:-[ [08:59] !pastebin [08:59] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [08:59] hope that helps :) [09:05] found it: [09:05] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076091/ [09:05] this is the output for runing sudo dpkg -l google-chrome [09:05] good morning everyone. [09:06] If anybody is heading on the M6 today, might be an idea not to reports of the M6 being closed due to a suspect package with armed police in attendance and a chemical spill on teh M6 Toll, I suspect its all one incident and its just the M6 toll looking at other reports though [09:07] Songtao, thats not what I asked.. you missed the star off the end [09:08] and you don't need sudo. [09:08] that is all [09:09] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076096/ [09:09] this is all message I got:) [09:10] DJones: interesting [09:11] Today I learned that you can specify wildcards in dpkg -l, thanks to popey. [09:11] Songtao, again.. you missed the star [09:12] dpkg -l google-chrome* [09:12] ha, got it [09:12] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076099/ [09:12] I am stupid [09:12] nah [09:13] ok, so chrome is installed, yay [09:15] mattt: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-18719962#TWEET169050 [09:16] I'm always surprised at the number of people who use the M6 toll. [09:17] "The Highways Agency said traffic was stationary and the closure was likely to remain in place until early afternoon." [09:17] OUCH! [09:17] err ouch :) [09:18] they'll lose a lot of money, I wonder why they stopped the coach. [09:18] coo [09:19] I know a few people who use the toll, just because its emptier [09:22] Here is the strace output for google-chrome, this is far away out my understanding. [09:22] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076109/. [09:23] Without the strace. What happens when you try to run chrome from the cli? [09:25] just stop response [09:26] Can you pastebin the result? [09:27] what result? [09:27] run from cli ? [09:27] Yes [09:29] $google-chrome [09:29] that is it:) [09:29] Ok, thanks. Wondered if there was anything one could google against [09:29] * bigcalm goes back to his code again [09:30] thanks for everyone [09:44] * AlanBell heads out to lunch www.simpsonsinthestrand.co.uk [09:45] Swanky [09:45] OpenERP? [09:50] And isn't it a bit early for lunch? [09:51] nice [09:51] its never too early for lunch [09:52] But if you have lunch too early, you have a long wait for tea [09:52] have a second lunch [09:52] A good lunch puts me to sleep ;) [09:53] bigcalm: So you'll be sleeping while waiting. [09:53] jpds: rather than working [09:53] Actually, that sounds appealing [10:03] morning all [10:06] morning davmor2 [10:06] choo choo [10:08] davmor2: using Geany, it's ok but has things that bug me. All IDEs bug me in different ways. Maybe this one will bug me less than others [10:08] bigcalm: tried sublime? [10:08] geany/sublime are really only text editors not IDEs [10:08] gord: no, wassat? [10:09] its a really nice text editor, if thats all you want, its great [10:09] http://www.sublimetext.com/ [10:09] gord: indeed, I get that feeling. But davmor2 was singing its praises, so I'm giving it a go [10:09] yeah i used to use geany way back, its fine [10:09] gord: bigcalm is used to things like netbeans [10:09] And Eclipse [10:09] And PhpEd [10:10] then use those :P [10:10] As I say, every one has things that bug me. But I'm open to trying new ones to see what I like [10:11] crazy people who don't use vim [10:11] Indeed [10:11] One day I'll try using VIM as an IDE [10:12] We'll see [10:12] what i like about sublime is it takes the most useful features of vim and puts them in a nice gui package, the multiple selections and stuff you see on the main page http://www.sublimetext.com/ [10:12] bigcalm: you'd be an emacs abuser [10:13] davmor2: never used emacs so can't comment [10:18] notepad++ in wine bigcalm :) [10:18] gedit is also quite good [10:18] diplo: I have paid for TextPad. I used that for a long time :) [10:19] Keep going back to netbeans though, if it wasn't so heavy I think i'd stay with it [10:19] diplo: I just use NetBeans for PHP, so it's quite light [10:19] diplo: a lot lighter than Eclipse [10:19] yeah so do i, but it still uses huge amount of mem [10:19] What's the python IDE of choice? [10:20] yeah never got on with eclipse [10:20] vim/geany/gedit [10:20] I've never tried a dedicated one and tbh not tried any python in Netbeans [10:20] Eclipse has all of the features I know and love. But it just wibbles itself to death when given large projects to manage [10:23] But overall I'm the same as you, all ides/editors have peaves [10:25] bigcalm: komodo was good last i tried python [10:25] What would be better for NAS, 7200rpm 16mb buffer or 5400rpm 32mb buffer HDD? [10:26] That's the other one i use gord / bigcalm [10:26] gord: when I get around to learning python, I'll give it a go ta [10:26] Use it home most of the time [10:35] dogmatic69: I suspect the throughput of the network interface is a much more important factor [10:36] check what the bottlenecks are and you'll probably find that reading from the disk is much faster than anything else [10:36] dwatkins: its a gigabit [10:37] so about 100 Megabytes per second? [10:38] I guess about there [10:39] a SATA 3.0 disk will output 6 Gbit/s, i.e. 768 Megabytes per second [10:40] its SATAII [10:40] ah ok, only 384 Megabytes per second [10:40] ye [10:40] so the question is whether you can maximise the disk's throughput for a 5400 rpm disk [10:41] I guess the CAT5 will be flooded long before the drive is [10:41] or if at 5400 rpm, you're limited to a much lower input or output speed which makes it slower than the network can deliver [10:41] indeed, unless it's really slow, which I doubt - I'd be interested to see some figures on this, though. [10:41] oh, also its RAID 5 possibly [10:41] also depends on the nature of the data, seek speed etc. of course [10:41] 4 drives [10:42] so you have the additional factor of the throughput of the RAID array [10:42] raid something, not decided [10:42] think of it as a series of tubes ;) [10:42] sounds more like pipes, and the cat5 is a straw :/ [10:43] perhaps, but you could also potentially combine gigabit interfaces if your switch allows it. [10:43] not currently [10:44] I think the nas has 2x eth, but think its for redundancy [10:44] My 'NAS' is a netbook with a USB-attached 2 TB disk. I don't care that it's a bit slow, since it manages to play the media I want without any problem. [10:44] :) [10:45] I also sometimes run applications on it graphically, that's when the Atom CPU really shows how slow it is ;) [10:45] especially HandBrake [10:47] tbh, i'll take cache over drive speed any day [10:47] i've seen 5400rpm drives outperform some of my 7200 drives in benchmarks because of better caching [10:48] I've got 5400's in my Microserver [10:48] Work well for me [10:49] i have a decent 5900rpm drive [10:49] or maybe my wife does [10:49] either way, an old 7200rpm drive is no guarantee of fast [10:59] the 5400rpm drive is slightly more expensive too, sign of being better I guess [11:00] not sure what speed my microserver drives are.. [11:00] Miss-read as microwave [11:01] lol [11:01] ST2000DL003-9VT166 [11:02] my nas says max 4x 500gb drives :( [11:02] ooh, nice, smartctl tells me some of my drives shouldn't be touched [11:02] "==> WARNING: Using smartmontools or hdparm with this [11:02] drive may result in data loss due to a firmware bug. [11:02] ****** THIS DRIVE MAY OR MAY NOT BE AFFECTED! ****** [11:02] " [11:02] How do I check the health of my RAID1? [11:02] cat /proc/mdstat [11:03] Then what am I looking for? [11:03] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076217/ [11:05] sigh, reminds me. have to replace a drive in my raid. its now twice the price i paid for it originally :( [11:05] Ouchie [11:07] bigcalm: looks ok ? [11:07] popey, oh, i think i was hit with that [11:07] i haven't updated mine :S [11:07] popey, had to retire a drive with that warning, due to bad sectors [11:08] popey, i failed to find the firmware, since the url on the smartmontools site is dead [11:08] mattt: that's the point, I have no idea either way :) [11:08] bigcalm: no, it's def. OK [11:08] Good good [11:08] [UU] is good [11:08] [_U] isnt :) [11:08] and [2/2] [11:08] [0/2] would be ungood [11:09] * mattt is afk [11:13] [O_o] [11:24] * BigRedS wonders what he'd need to do to md to get that [11:24] ? [11:24] [O_o] [11:25] I just like the thought of getting an SMS from nagios with that in it [11:25] Ah [11:25] Heh [11:32] I'm going to have to put that into my error responses [11:36] :) === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [13:20] gord: where did you get the bendy legs from ? [13:21] amazon [13:21] i have amazon prime, if i get something and its not from amazon, its because it wasn't on amazon ;) [13:22] gord: linkafy me [13:22] Oh, a gollapod [13:23] gorillapod even [13:25] czajkowski: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002FGTWOC [13:26] czajkowski: I know a system you could have searched for that product with ;) [13:27] bendy legs wasnt doig it for me:) [13:27] Haha [13:27] Vodka gives me bendy legs [13:27] oh hey cool, its slightly cheeper than when i orderd it yesterday >:( [13:28] czajkowski: they come in various sizes. The one gord linked to is to cope with the weight of an SLR and big lenses [13:28] nods [13:28] I have a DSLR [13:28] Yay [13:28] I have one that doesn't get near enough usage these days [13:29] Though I did enjoy shooting Hayley in the garden recently [13:29] had a play during lunch, worked really well with my Canon 600D's built in exposure bracketing, takes three pictures rapidly at different expsures, then you build that into an hdr image [13:29] Ug [13:30] HDR is horrible when done by the masses :( [13:30] Which is why I've kept away from it [13:30] well sure, if you try and make something striking with it, it looks terrible. however if all you want to do is take a photo of a nice landscape and not have the sky completely blow out on you or the landscape be super dark, its great [13:31] 8-bits just ain't enough to represent the world as we see it [13:31] I agree :) [13:31] I'm terrible at splicing images together [13:32] Oh, but I have taken some shots for autostitch to play with [13:32] and of course, every HDR shot i take for the next 1000 or so pictures will be gawd awful, like everything photography related, its only the 1001'st shot that ends up looking okay ;) [13:32] I'm glad I have my roots in film :) [13:39] are any applications packaged in ubuntu for wine? [13:40] i'm working on packaging a windows application for use with wine for ubuntu desktops and looking for previous attempts [13:41] didn't one of the humble bumble games do that or something? [13:41] jacobw: pre-compiled? [13:44] Wasn't the google picassa application for ubuntu just the windows version with a wine wrapper around [13:46] if it's binaries then the package amounts to just copying them into place with a shell script wrapper to launch the program under wine and a desktop file. [13:51] Limbo is a wine bottle [13:52] jacobw, ^^ [13:57] mmm wine [13:57] * AlanBell just had some rather good wine [13:59] AlanBell: business lunch? [14:02] popey: what prog do you use to take images with your webcam? === Twinkletoes_ is now known as Twinkletoes [14:05] Pendulum: yes, a working lunch ;) [14:05] !info webcam [14:05] webcam (source: xawtv): image grabber and uploader. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.102-3 (precise), package size 36 kB, installed size 117 kB [14:05] ^^ bigcalm [14:05] sudo apt-get install webcam :) [14:06] sans smiles [14:06] https://www.google.com/search?q=popey+webcam [14:06] :D [14:06] :) [14:12] I used that after the popey's blog [14:12] Worked really well [14:12] Not used it recently though [14:15] Laney: yeah [14:15] Laney: assuming you mean that i'm distributig windows binaries only [14:19] It's segfaulting on me :( [14:19] webcam ? [14:20] uploading.jpeg => webcam.jpg [14:20] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [14:20] Precise ? [14:20] Same for both the webcam in the laptop and the external usb one [14:20] diplo: yes [14:20] Want me to test here, can install/setup [14:20] ? [14:20] Please do :) [14:21] installing... [14:21] What were you trying to upload to, so I can re-create [14:21] Oh, hold on :) [14:22] A local machine [14:22] referred to by name [14:23] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076489/ [14:24] OK, got file created [14:24] next part [14:29] Worked for me :) [14:30] only difference is mine was by ip and root on a centos box ( all i had spare ) [14:30] :( [14:30] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 72284 Jul 5 16:30 webcam.jpg [14:30] [root@ccompaq webcam]# ls -ltr [14:30] total 84 [14:30] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 82983 Jul 5 16:31 webcam.jpg [14:32] Not permissions or something [14:32] i reduced the delay = 6 to delay =0 :) [14:32] now I get LOTS of images [14:32] alan@homeserver:/srv/webcam/archive/2012/07/05/14$ ls -l | wc -l [14:32] 2825 [14:32] per hour [14:32] alan@homeserver:/srv/webcam/archive/2012/07/05/14$ du -hs . [14:32] 304M [14:32] :D [14:33] heh [14:33] Cron to clean it quite often i hope [14:33] -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan 65M Jul 5 15:11 2012070514.avi [14:33] monster hourly videos too now [14:33] they were about 8MB [14:34] popey: thanks, been looking for a command to get the size of a dir :D [14:34] heh [14:34] you might as well just start recording videos instead of pictures :P [14:34] yeah, at 1fps [14:34] not far off.. 3600 per hour.. [14:35] i might drop the threshold for an hour and see how many pics I get [14:35] more than 1/sec I bet [14:35] oh its based on movement? [14:35] it can be [14:35] well i guess difference since the last image taken [14:35] you set a threshold, if movement goes over the value it snaps a pic, if not, it ignores it [14:36] yes [14:36] watch you don't start entering the territory of it just picking up noise [14:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076508/ [14:36] i have a terminal full of that [14:36] threshold is 120 [14:36] if I up it a bit I'll get fewer images [14:38] Does webcam work with uvc? [14:39] Just bought one of these, http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/recon/ gonna try and write cross platform drivers for it :D [14:41] bigcalm, no idea, does uvc present a /dev/video0 ? [14:42] Yes [14:42] should do [14:42] is it not worky? [14:42] It's seg faulting [14:43] pastebin your config sans user/passwords [14:43] I'm having a look at using an prog that I had a hand in making back in g2006 [14:43] i have had it segfault here [14:43] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076489/ [14:44] in the terminal you ran webcam, can you scp a file to /home/iain/www_dump/webcam [14:44] with no password prompt? [14:45] No, it will ask for a password as I haven't set up keys [14:46] Isn't that the point of adding username and password to the config file? [14:46] Dunno, I set up ssh keys before trying [14:46] :) [14:47] Ug [14:47] Is it not for FTP ? set ssh=0 and ftp client may work ? [14:47] you can do ftp if you want [14:47] i use ssh [14:47] Except I don't have an ftpd running [14:47] but have keys setup [14:47] I used ssh as well [14:47] keys take 2 seconds bigcalm [14:47] and load the key before I run webcam [14:47] Dooooooo iiiiittttttttt. [14:48] So what are the username and password fields for? [14:48] ftp I'd guess [14:48] multi user config [14:48] So need the username for ssh [14:51] Guy who wrote it hasn't referenced anything on his website about webcam software.. lots of others [14:52] man webcam isn't specific either [14:52] It install a public key on a server, I just copy it into ~/.ssh ? [14:52] s/It/To/ [14:54] no [14:54] ssh-copy-id hostname [14:54] it will do it for you [14:54] Doh, append it to authorised_keys [14:54] Silly me [14:54] ssh-copy-id does the same [14:54] just easier :D [14:56] ssh -i insecure_rsa iain@proliant [14:56] That works at last [14:57] So, can I pass -i and the key to webcam? [14:57] Do you create seperate keys for different servers ? [14:58] I tend to, yes [14:58] I think I am just lazy, 95% of mine are internal servers anyhoo [14:58] This key I just created has no pass phrase, so I don't want to use it other than for this [14:59] Maybe I can run an export line before running webcam [15:00] Is there a environment variable to set the default key to be used? [15:02] aquarius, heard the news that the bus pulled over on the m6 was because of vapour from an e-cig :D [15:03] popey, t's a trap! [15:03] Hehe [15:03] lol, very funny. [15:03] aquarius: I read your blog post, I just recently re-gave up after starting again for last 2 years or so [15:03] I know a few who have got addicted to the e-fags so just beware [15:04] better than being addicted to real fags [15:05] Last night I dreamt that I was smoking again. I always wake up feeling very guilty from such dreams [15:06] http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1939809007 lol [15:07] yeah, I'm 5 months ( on the 14th ) clear now [15:07] Was 12 years prior to starting again :( [15:08] 26th August will see my 10th year of no ciggies [15:08] Was harder to give up the second time from 5-10 a day from when i gave up before @ 60 a day [15:08] So prompt you to never get back into it, it's hell! [15:08] :) [15:09] Ug [15:09] * dogmatic69 needs to quit the habit :/ [15:09]