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| ikonia | Pici: discuss | 15:42 |
| ikonia | it was a good topic | 15:42 |
| ikonia | Pici: thoughts, I want to run $GAME - what's your suggestion ? | 15:43 |
| Pici | ikonia and I were discussing wether WINE was a feasable solution for running windows programs | 15:43 |
| ikonia | ahh, mine point was "depending on wine as a long term solution" rather than just running | 15:44 |
| Pici | I personally think that WINE can be stable enough to fit many user's needs. | 15:44 |
| ikonia | Pici: I think it can too for certain software, | 15:44 |
| Pici | or rather, the programs running under wine can be stable. | 15:44 |
| ikonia | I don't see it for things like games which have regular patches and demands on the resources directly | 15:44 |
| AlanBell | there has been a heap of work on wine for games | 15:44 |
| ikonia | AlanBell: yes, but in ubuntu world, that doesn't matter as the wine package isn't updated | 15:45 |
| AlanBell | which is kind of good as games are quite demanding and the upshot is that wine is really good for regular applications now | 15:45 |
| ikonia | AlanBell: and to be honest, the wine guys wil struggle to keep up with each software package and it's updates | 15:45 |
| ikonia | AlanBell: define regular applications ?# | 15:45 |
| AlanBell | windows applications that are just forms and windows | 15:46 |
| Pici | non-games, basic office apps | 15:46 |
| ikonia | ok, so say "word" for arguments sake | 15:46 |
| AlanBell | yeah, stuff like that | 15:46 |
| ikonia | yes, I can see some value in things like word, or basic form driven software in wine | 15:46 |
| Pici | I didn't specifically mean MS Office | 15:46 |
| AlanBell | I was thinking Lotus Notes which I used to run under wine | 15:46 |
| ikonia | Pici: no, I take the point | 15:46 |
| Pici | k | 15:47 |
| ikonia | AlanBell: same sort of example, sure, I'm with you on that | 15:47 |
| AlanBell | I don't use it any more, but wine development picked up fast when games got viable | 15:47 |
| ikonia | software with big demands and regular patches that change the core code base, photoshop, games, I don't see it | 15:47 |
| ikonia | AlanBell: I still don't see it as viable | 15:47 |
| ikonia | but I suspect that is the definition of viable | 15:48 |
| Pici | I don't use Wine either. I have a seprate Windows computer for my Windows stuff. | 15:48 |
| AlanBell | oh sure | 15:48 |
| AlanBell | wine got more developers when it started to look like it might be plausible that a game might kinda start under wine | 15:48 |
| ikonia | as joe blogs I want to open up software, and use it %99 as good as if it was native and depend that it will not break randomly tomorrow | 15:48 |
| ikonia | I don't see wine delivering on that option | 15:48 |
| ikonia | I see wine on ubuntu as even less due to the version restrictions | 15:49 |
| AlanBell | I wasn't aware of regressions happening on wine, I thought things tend to move in a forward direction | 15:49 |
| ikonia | AlanBell: I don't think it's regessions | 15:49 |
| ikonia | more the software it's running changes and it's broke | 15:49 |
| AlanBell | ah, I see | 15:50 |
| ikonia | eg: a patch happens, a version update, and wine just then fails | 15:50 |
| ikonia | (not all situations of coursE) | 15:50 |
| Pici | A program patch, not a Wine patch | 15:50 |
| ikonia | but that's why I was saying something that works today with a smile, may totally fail tomorrow | 15:50 |
| ikonia | sure, a program patch | 15:50 |
| ikonia | the more basic the software, the less the patch seems to effect it | 15:50 |
| ikonia | and that's why I'm saying I don't believe the wine guys could ever keep up | 15:50 |
| ikonia | so much software, so many updates to that software, wow, it would be mamoth | 15:50 |
| ikonia | that doesn't mean I think wine is bad though | 15:51 |
| ikonia | quick fire up to get something, or try something, or convert it, sure | 15:51 |
| ikonia | but it's the depending on wine bit I have an issue with | 15:51 |
| Pici | Do they actually put fixes in for speicific programs? | 15:51 |
| ikonia | Pici: I've seen reference to patches to fix a bug with a specific program | 15:52 |
| ikonia | I don't know if that's actually that program, or the problem that program creates | 15:52 |
| Pici | ikonia: I think we agree that if they were putting in that many speicific fixes then their codebase would explode. | 15:53 |
| ikonia | the work load would be amazing | 15:53 |
| ikonia | Pici: it would be a 1TB download with mb updates/deltas every day | 15:53 |
| ikonia | I think people trying to run games makes the issue look worse than it is as they are a hot moving target | 15:54 |
| Pici | Yeah | 15:54 |
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| ikonia | boot the root issues (for me) of being able to depend on it as a solution at a wine level, and then at a wine level that your distro is running/maintaining is just not viable | 15:54 |
| ikonia | quick tasks, eg: just open up word to save it as a different format, or check your email on lotus notes, sure sure, | 15:55 |
| ikonia | but running your business, class work, gaming life around it, it's just not going to fly | 15:55 |
| ikonia | and I don't see how the wine guys can be responsible for that or even have a chance at it | 15:55 |
| Pici | I agree, running your business through wine is probably not the best solution | 15:55 |
| ikonia | Pici: I come to you for Pici IT support, I give you your consulting fee, and say "I'm doing music production at college, I need to run Pro-tools, should I use my linux box?" what is your opinion ? | 15:56 |
| ikonia | (I admit I'm picking a very complex bit of software, but I couldn't think of a non-business bit of software, so call it generic music software) | 15:58 |
| Pici | ikonia: I wouldn't want to be responsible for trying to get it to work under Linux. | 15:58 |
| ikonia | Pici: ok, but I'm depending on it for college...... | 15:58 |
| ikonia | do you recommend wine or a native solution ? | 15:58 |
| Pici | ikonia: Natiev. | 15:59 |
| Pici | Native too | 15:59 |
| ikonia | that's the point I'm going for | 15:59 |
| ikonia | depending on it for a solution for anything, fun, work, study, is just not viable | 15:59 |
| Pici | Sometimes I forget that not everyone is willing to fight with their software to get it to work. | 15:59 |
| ikonia | as a "tool" I think it's great, as a solution, I don't find it acceptable | 16:00 |
| ikonia | Pici: you're not alone | 16:00 |
| ikonia | Pici: better idea of where I'm trying to come from ? | 16:01 |
| Pici | ikonia: much better, thanks :) | 16:01 |
| ikonia | it's a good discussion, | 16:01 |
| Pici | aye | 16:02 |
| ikonia | this is the sort of thing I wish you could discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic | 16:02 |
| ikonia | (I know you technically can, just wouldn't get input/discussion like this) | 16:02 |
| ikonia | maybe I'll move -discuss a little lower down my irssi window list | 16:02 |
| AlanBell | heh | 16:09 |
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