[02:43] Ainozama #include googles search help you [02:44] is Like making any sense [02:51] Didn't we like, ban like? [02:51] in -ot [02:51] Time to expand it. [09:23] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from ninjah) [09:44] ninjah seems to have no idea even about apt [09:44] nor about a lot of other things [09:44] popokpou, try this if you can get online: sudo-apt upgrade and sudo-apt update, then reboot, see what'll happen cuz i don't get how he can have copmpiz installed if he's not in GUI yet [09:48] sigh [09:48] whoopsie [09:49] hehe, let him have both :) [09:49] or do a reinstall full [09:49] thats his brilliant 'advice' [09:49] from BT I see he has been trouble before [09:50] what a surprise [11:49] oCean: thanks, I didn't see the earlier command [13:36] LjL: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1100089 is this post related to what vikash is looking for? [13:37] IdleOne: uhm, it says to install ibus-m17n which is the same i came up with now, but then the stuff it tells you to do, i don't understand it [13:37] yeah, me either. [13:37] IdleOne: i reckon he's merely trying to input Hindi, not entirely sure whether he absolutely wants phonetic (Latin-style) input or what [14:44] 我擦 and also wo ca are not nice. he's been told many many times where the chinese channel is [15:07] why the repeated questions about root irc by sunshinehappy [15:07] at least half a dozen so far [15:08] Keep telling them its offtopic then [15:11] it's a troll, as he's talking about the hottest chilli's in ##security, so he knows what he's doing [15:11] (as in ramdomly, no-ones talking so he's just spouting off about the best/hottest chilli's) [15:11] weird. [15:12] quite odd yes [15:12] to be asking security questions in an OS, but be asking chilli questions in a security channel.... [15:12] augh. why the insistence on avi [15:13] people like the container, or don't understand that's it's just a container [15:13] he gave a bit sharpish reply as well [15:13] I've sent sunshinehappy a pm to respond when he's free [15:16] I'm kind of curious now what the hottest chilli is... [15:16] I don't think it was an educated statement he was making [15:17] laotian chili [15:17] Interesting [15:17] his opinion was habaneros and nagas, [15:20] gogli is the same user as kav and one other, btw [15:20] yes, I know that's why the slack has just ended [15:22] ikonia: I don't think we should dissuade users from using wine if that is how they have decided to use their software. [15:22] why ? [15:22] I'm advising them that as a long term solution it's going to end in dissapointment [15:22] if they are happy with the problems it causes, continue [15:22] they be asking in #winehq for app support imo [15:22] most people just think it's Wine will run window stuff - it won't [15:23] ikonia: I don't think should support it. Telling them about the appdb and #winehq should be where our support ends. [15:23] (I say that as an op, not with my ircc hat on) [15:23] I'm offering support [15:23] as in - I advise them not to depend on wine as a long term solution [15:23] they don't have to agree, they can continue [15:24] I'm sorry, but I think its annoying and not something that we'd let our users get away with if they gave the same answer every time they asked a question about something. [15:24] how is it annoying [15:25] not trying to argue, asking for feedback [15:25] direct them to #winehq after checking the appdb is the norm [15:25] the majority of people don't understand the limitations/risks of depending on wine, I don't see an issue with advising them of those potential risks, if they chose to accept those risks/ignore them, then it's no problem [15:26] I'm not saying don't use wine, I'm saying don't depend on wine as a solution, or for everything to work all the time [15:26] that gets a bit too much into offtopic chat / opinion in my view [15:26] something that works today may fail tomorrow [15:26] sure [15:26] and they know that [15:26] do they ? [15:26] Sure, but what you're saying is basically "Don [15:26] I don't think they do [15:26] Sure, but what you're saying is basically "Don't use wine, ever" [15:26] Pici: no, I'm not, I'm saying "don't depend on wine as a long term solution" [15:26] I'm not saying don't use wine [15:26] better to let them find out than preclude them trying out at all if not [15:27] bazhang: really ? better to let them battle a system than just making them aware of the limitations [15:27] if they are happy with those limitations risks, good on them, carry one, #winehq is there [15:27] I really really really think we should point them to #winehq and let their experts help. [15:27] ikonia, yes. !appd please check here; #winehq for specific app support is the norm [15:27] +b [15:27] so, in that case should I not warn people of the high risk issues with the SIS chipsets [15:28] as that's saying "trying to avoid sis chipsets as they don't work well with linux" ? [15:28] For all we know the app they're trying to use will work perfectly with Wine and we've just told them otherwise. [15:28] we'd spend all of our time warning [15:28] Pici: it won't [15:28] I KNOW it won''t [15:28] I'm not guessing [15:28] hence why I passed on the advice [15:28] seems beyond the purview of #ubuntu [15:28] there have been a constant changing status with diablo where it's worked, then the sound broke after the game was patched now it sort of works depending on a few hardware limits [15:28] ikonia: you know that every application won't work under Wine? [15:29] perhaps tell them in #winehq your specific experience [15:29] Pici: no, but the general advice of not depending on it as a long term solution is sound, and if I know that of the application they are asking of I can give them views [15:29] Pici: Although often I am finding over there they won't support any version less than what the most current is on their site, so the user ends up trying to go install from source or so on, just making more of a mess [15:29] genii-around: exactly, points the users to install a PPA [15:29] I do that when xchat questions get too involved, I join the #xchat channel with them [15:29] when again - the PPA won't matter if the game / software is broke [15:30] a one liner advising someone that wine is not really a long term solutions to windows games, is not "getting involved" it's offering advice and opinions based on experience and knowledge, I thought that was the aim, help the users based on what you know [15:30] ok [15:30] I'm not slating wine, I'm not saying it's rubbish, I'm not putting it down [15:30] I always take it to that channel <----- What I DO [15:30] Personally, I'd say someting like "I believe that D3 support under Wine currently is rather poor" rather than "Don't use WINE as a solution" [15:30] I'm advising them that depending on wine as a long term solution is not advisable, as even if it works today you are at risk of it not working tomorrow, if they are comfortable with that, [15:31] Pici: that is not what I said [15:31] Pici: I purposfully said do not DEPEND on it as a LONG TERM solution [15:31] "depending on wine as a solution will end in dissapointment" [15:31] yes, it will [15:31] Pici: ok, so then do I not warn people of the issues with the SIS chipset ? [15:32] ikonia: I'm just saying that even though you didn't say "Don [15:32] not trying to pick a fight, but I don't see the problem in offering realsitic advice and opinions based on experience [15:32] (*ARGH, keep pressing enter too quickly) [15:32] Pici: I would with confidence say "don't use the SIS chipset unless you have to" [15:32] ikonia: I'm just saying that even though you didn't say "Don't use WINE", thats what it reads as. [15:32] or even "don't use the SIS chipset" [15:32] I don't see a problem with "don't use wine" [15:33] being honest [15:33] Which is probably what I should have said in the first place. [15:33] less so when I've explained in the lines above the one you pasted why [15:33] (and the lines after that one too) [15:33] heh !enter [15:33] it wasn't a one line "don't use wine", it was advice with approx 6 lines of context and reason [15:35] Geez. I wonder what happens when you try to use mount for the webcam or so on. [15:36] I'm not ignoring what you're saying, [15:36] meh, maybe I'm just annoyed because I keep seeing you say it. [15:36] Pici: do you feel wine is a good long term solution for Windows software ? [15:37] I'm also afraid of it digressing into an offtopic conversation [15:37] Pici: and you are correct, if someone is struggling with wine and certain software, I will advise them of it [15:37] Pici: that part (the offtopic conversation I can see) [15:37] ikonia: no. I'd much rather see native solutions. [15:37] Pici: native solutions don't exist though [15:37] this is what I mean about being realistic [15:37] If it works, fine. Otherwise a VM or a real install. [15:37] exactly, but few things work %100 and continue to work %100 [15:38] which is why long term solution even if it works today is not something I'd guide people to use wine as or depend on [15:38] the realisitc and sorry fact is that unless it's native, you're at risk of dissapointment [15:39] Pici: maybe an -dicsuss point ? [15:39] gogli: hello [15:39] i'm sick of to be banned without any proper season [15:39] *reason [15:39] gogli: I'll explain the reason to you now [15:39] i'm just sick of your reason [15:39] who think am i [15:39] gogli: I have asked you multiple times to stop randomly highlighting me for no reason, and yet you persist in just doing things like "ikonia ...." [15:40] just stop here ikonia [15:40] you join a channel and do it, you do it randomly for no reason, I've asked you multiple times to stop, and you continue, so I have banned you until you stop [15:40] i came here on ubunu for help not to ban [15:40] that doesn't change what I've just said [15:40] I know that you came to ubuntu for help [15:40] just stop this nonsense now ikonia [15:40] gogli: ok, discussion over. [15:40] gogli: please /part the channel [15:41] today , i'm cry becuase of you [15:41] gogli: ok. [15:41] please /part the channel, [15:41] i just hate you [15:41] ok, noted [15:41] We don't care. If you don't want to resolve your ban then you may depart. [15:41] for god shake , please stop this nonsense [15:42] gogli: /part then [15:42] thats the only reason i don't came here [15:55] here in NM, "chili" is the bean/meat stew, and "chile" is the pepper. [15:55] ... for those keeping score at home. [15:58] http://www.chilepepperinstitute.org :) [15:59] :) [15:59] I stand corrected! [15:59] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinidad_Moruga_Scorpion [16:06] bazhang: I'm pretty sure this user was doing the same thing yesteday and we walked her through fixing it [16:07] ikonia, ok. it looked the same or similar to the code.google.com usb-builder lightdm.conf issue user for a moment there [16:08] I don't know [16:08] but I remember the nick and the problem quite clearly, I aslo remember explaining the many issues with the minimial custom build she was trying to do [16:08] it was a bit of a mess [16:08] and this was one of the issues [16:09] which DE do they have installed? [16:09] at the time there wasn't one [16:09] probably still isn't [16:09] it was just starting up X [16:09] and earlier booting before X [16:11]

i want to add my own penetration testing tools [16:11] * Pici sighs [16:11] thre we go [16:11] forwarding to BT channel... [16:11] I know all linuxes. [16:11] of course you do...... [16:11] that's why you can't grasp why X won't start [16:11] ubuntu has too much BLOAT [16:12] not sure what that last line meant though [16:12] He/she has been here on and off pretty much all this week with the same "problem" [16:12] genii-around: good, I'm not going mad [16:12] I thought that also, [16:13] not about this, at least [16:13] ... [16:14] They were the same person who put startx then tried to apt-get install startx, then the dependency hell starts etc [16:14] yes [16:14] this is how I rememer it too [16:15] how is RHCE related to building this pentesting light distro [16:15] RHCE is a pretty tough exam, so she's using it to show she is not a novice [16:15] ok [16:15] but then, debugging a X problem should be a doddle [16:15] shaneo is the one who installed a libs-something from quantal [16:16] I warned them about the problems it could cause [16:16] and actoinparsnip dives in wtih random things [16:16] is that shane56? [16:17] I don't think so [16:17] very similar nicks. [16:19] I'm assuming ubuntu-lover is lion/tiger from yesterday? They said they were RHCE [16:20] I would be a significant portion of money that they have never seen an RHCE exame situation, let alone passed it [16:21] IdleOne: he is purposfully dodging the 12.10 question [16:23] yup [16:27] shaneo: http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/libgnutls26 was what he was told to install to fix some depends issue [16:27] right it was to fix/install vlc [16:28] I think. [16:36] he is just wasting time [16:36] he said he didn't want to lose any data and now says he already has it all backed up [17:05] hello [17:06] i want my kav ID back [17:07] Your what? [17:07] kav ID , kav is my real name [17:07] gogli is a anonymous name . [17:08] gogli: We don't administrate this network. If you want help with nick registration you'll need to ask in #freenode [17:08] ok ! thanks [17:15] You should also part this channel unless you wish to resolve your ban at this time [17:18] that works [17:19] So not only is gogli banned but he was ban evading because his alt nick is also banned from a different IP [17:20] he has been a handful all day, but I could not find an active ban [17:21] 49995 [17:22] ban[39115] was set on *!*@180.215.180.48 is the most recent [17:32] anybody have xskxwraith in PM. I'm not to keen on helping them after the PM I got. [17:35] IdleOne: good catch [17:35] on? [17:35] kav [17:36] oh. [17:36] hehe, thanks [17:56] hello Pici ! [17:56] hi. [17:57] Pici: i want come back on #ubuntu [17:57] kav: Do you understand why you were banned? [17:57] Pici : can i ? [17:58] yup ! [17:58] Why? [17:58] i don't want to argue .please [17:58] i just want to come back on #ubuntu [17:59] Can you do this for me ? [17:59] kav: Just because you want to join is not a good enough reason. [18:00] Pici: old people says , some time its better to leave the question without any reason [18:00] kav: I would at least expect you to understand why you were banned, and even then, I'm not willing to unban you right after you tried to evade. [18:00] Pici: Sorry , my english is not good .Can you explain me again in simple way [18:01] kav: Can you explain why you were banned? [18:01] yup ! becuase i ask for same right as you have [18:02] thats why i'm banned .I ask for same power like for admin [18:02] kav: no. That is not why you were banned. ikonia has already told you a few times why. [18:03] Please don't involve her here .I'm not irretated by her name .Please .i'm begging you [18:04] who's name? [18:04] Pici : i have a request to see again gogli log file [18:05] Pici: Can you go for neutral dicision ? [18:05] kav: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/07/06/%23ubuntu-ops.html#t15:39 [18:07] can you tell me whereis my fault ? [18:07] in the log [18:08] this log is incomplete , it don't include this ":(" [18:08] [15:39] gogli: I have asked you multiple times to stop randomly highlighting me for no reason, and yet you persist in just doing things like "ikonia ...." [18:09] for god shake ! i'll tell you the reason now [18:10] i ask a question on #ubuntu that " i can't mount my devices " then ikonia answer me "your HDD is already mounted " but i'm saying that my filesyatem is not working correctly but she don't care about it [18:12] i logged off and then my LIVE USB behave like a garbage .I'm very unhappy and when i came back on #ubuntu , i see her name listed on screen .So, to tell her that i'm fail to recover my filesystem i wrote her " : ( " and she banned me [18:13] kav: has ikonia told you not to hilight their name before? [18:14] ok ! i have also a question [18:15] Sometime she also highlight me , i don't say anything to her [18:16] if i have the log i'll tell you the fault .Now i don't have evidence to prove me [18:16] !logs [18:16] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too; for older LoCo channel logs, see http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [18:16] all the logs are there [18:17] O god ! can you find all logs of gogli for me : ) [18:17] no, but you can [18:18] am i stupid ? how can i found my log from all this stuff so quicky .I don't have the experience [18:18] kav: I am going to have our bot send you some links that I would like you to read. [18:18] !guidelines > kav [18:18] kav, please see my private message [18:19] !coc > kav [18:19] Please take your time and read both those documents carefully [18:20] Please let us know when you are done reading. [18:20] IdleOne: sorry , but i already read those documents [18:20] Do you understand them? [18:20] have you forget that you LjL gave me to read those [18:21] i'm not little angry , so thats why you think i'm not following coc [18:21] kav: Do you understand what those two documents say? [18:21] i'm little angry now , so thats why you think i'm not following coc [18:22] ok, can we stop being angry and try focusing on the present. [18:22] ya! sir ...Treat every one like human , all genders were same [18:22] good. Now will you agree not to highlight anybody without good reason? [18:22] Never abuse some one , evey person have its own privacy [18:23] IdleOne: sorry to say again , but i'm not highlighting her [18:23] please , see the logs [18:24] kav: I am asking you if you agree to not do it with any users in the future [18:24] him [18:24] i know you are admin but i'm also a human [18:24] ikonia is a he [18:25] ikonia : he is she :) , she already told me ...whatever for me ikonia is a admin [18:25] kav: Please stop trying to change the subject. I am trying to help get you unbanned. If you insist on bringing up the specific situation that happened between you and ikonia. I will not be able to move this forward. [18:25] good. Now will you agree not to highlight anybody without good reason? [18:26] but i have the reason when i highlight her [18:26] but why she banned me ? [18:26] i hightlight her becuase [18:27] alright, then. This ban will not be removed. Please come back in 30 days and we will try again at that time to resolve this. [18:27] Please part this channel now as there is nothing left to discuss. [18:28] partiality [18:28] you are just forcing me to change according to your wish [18:29] ok ! i'll come back after 30 days till than i'll be gogli [18:29] is that fine ? IdleOne [18:29] yes, see you in 30 days. [18:30] bye ! hope this partilaity will not be done after 30 days [18:30] will you promise me ? IdleOne [18:31] kav: All the ops (admins) try very hard to be fair with all the users. I promise I will continue to try being fair with everybody. [18:32] thanks , hope another kav will not be like punished like me without any proper reason : ( [18:32] bye bye ! [18:33] everybody lost the game [19:48] L3top called the ops in #ubuntu (Cottus) [20:04] I've seen it before where someone put the rm command without directing it and a user who just asked something else before thought it was for them [20:05] From memory, the command won't do anything anymore anyway, doesn't it need a force option even with sudo before it would cause catastophic damage [20:07] DJones: yes, but that's besides the point [20:07] look out for ignacio, rings alarm bells for me [20:08] Agreed [20:08] yes for me as well IdleOne [20:08] maybe not the same ignacio i have in mind, i don't know [20:08] he's in #ubuntu-es-cafe [20:10] !danger > Cottus this is the factoid we have already [20:10] I'll remember that, LjL [20:10] gah [20:11] yeah > doesn't pass comment [20:12] need to for that [20:12] forget* [20:12] ubottu: forget danger > Cottus this [20:12] I know nothing about danger > Cottus this yet, IdleOne [20:12] err [20:13] !this [20:13] tried already [20:13] don't know how to remove it :< [20:13] ubottu: forget Cottus this [20:13] I know nothing about Cottus this yet, IdleOne [20:13] well heck [20:14] Heh [20:14] will it not be "!danger > Cottus this" ? [20:14] Pretty sure [20:14] DJones: that's the one i tried to remove [20:14] !forget danger > Cottus this [20:14] I know nothing about danger > Cottus this yet, LjL [20:14] no the factoid name doesn't include the ! [20:15] Weird [20:15] http://www.ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=Cottus [20:15] wait [20:15] !forget danger > cottus this [20:15] I'll forget that, LjL [20:15] yay [20:15] matter of capitalization [20:15] :) [20:15] Case matters! [20:15] well done [20:16] except it was capital C in the original. [20:16] so case does matter. it MUST be lower. :) [20:16] Yes, very odd [20:17] we made it, in any case [20:17] hah [20:17] I saw that [20:17] To quote Dr_willis "Case is imporntant" [20:18] adn spleling is crucail [20:18] but we don't care about no grammar [20:19] please use "grammer," and swap that missing "a" into "kernal." [20:39] mneptok, but there was a study that only the first and last letters are meaningful [20:40] mneptok, for eaxmlpe, tihs txet is coplmeetly radaelbe [20:40] lgeible too [20:41] and usnedrtdaabnle [20:50] preuette en vtroe luange nuellrtae [20:52] i don't understand french :( [21:01] "peut-etre en votre langue naturelle" "maybe in your natural language" ;) [21:21] depends what you mean with natural; born-with or just anything fluent? [21:22] (not really "born-with", but mother .. wouldn't been what i was after either) [21:22] Cyrax is starting out suspiciously like our other friend kav [21:23] kv/gogli [21:24] that nick was registered a while ago [21:25] Just seems very odd. gogli was first causing issues insisting also to have admin rights in #u [21:26] life ain't fair. [21:27] Hehe, so true. [21:27] i want admin rights in 1600 Pennsylvania Ave Wash, DC. [21:27] THIS IS A DEMOCRACY, *RIGHT*?! [22:19] In ubottu, arand said: !schedule-#ubuntu+1 is A schedule of Quantal Quetzal (12.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule