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ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Community Leadership Summit 2012: A Week Away! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/07/06/community-leadership-summit-2012-a-week-away/00:19
AlanBellaquarius: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-18728303 they are not without issue00:47
aquariusAlanBell, yeah, popey already trolled me with that :)00:53
aquariusthe idea that semtex gives off smoke while it's in someone's bag seems a bit iffy to me :P00:53
diploMorning all07:20
matttmorning diplo07:34
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:01
AlanBellmorning08:19
bigcalmUg ug08:21
bigcalmBit of a grey day. Is it beer o'clock yet?08:22
BigRedSyes08:26
Laneyhttp://www.raintoday.co.uk/08:27
Laneyyum08:27
greenian2hello all08:33
JamesTaitHappy Friday, everyone! :-D08:36
JamesTaitEven if it is cold, wet and miserable here. :-/08:36
brobostigongood morning everyone.08:40
brobostigonhello JamesTait08:43
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JamesTaitHey brobostigon. :)08:44
brobostigon:)08:44
bigcalmAdd muggy08:46
brobostigonand 16 celcius.08:47
bigcalmSimmer for 25 mins08:48
brobostigonlol08:49
bigcalmWhy am I so tired? I got to bed at 10.30 last night. This sucks09:06
brobostigoni know when it is hot and muggy, i dont sleep properly,. so that might be a factor.09:08
* bigcalm spends the day yawning09:10
directhexbecause you're a new father, so best-case only get to sleep 3 hours at a time?09:10
directhexor is that just me09:10
bigcalmMight be just you directhex09:10
arsencongrats hexxy :)09:10
arseni get that same complaint from my colleague sat next to me on a daily basis at the moment :< lol09:10
bigcalmMore so to his wife ;)09:11
gordremember when it was summer for like a week or two in april? man that was great. i miss that09:11
bigcalmHa09:11
bigcalmThis _is_ a normal summer09:11
arsenits cold today - i actually had porridge to warm up!09:11
arsenJuly 6th.09:11
bigcalm4 days to pay day!09:12
* BigRedS is barely 4 days *from* payday09:12
bigcalm8 days to the RAT!09:13
bigcalm!rat09:13
bigcalmAww09:13
dwatkinsI already have two rats, they're very cute.09:18
bigcalmDo they get you drunk?09:19
dwatkinsNo, they're very enthusiastic about everything they find, though.09:19
matttrats ew09:20
popeyrats yay!09:20
jpowell_Morning.09:21
MartijnVdSComic Sans Day in .nl09:23
bigcalmHow is that even a day09:23
bigcalm?09:23
MartijnVdSbigcalm: I don't know, but 3fm.nl, klm.nl and xs4all.nl are in Comic Sans :)09:24
bigcalmCute09:24
arsenwhat's RAT?: o09:24
bigcalmHow about TV? Are news tickers in Comic Sans?09:24
dwatkinsAre they trying to make people want to close their browsers? ;)09:24
BigRedSarsen: A train with beer on it09:24
MartijnVdSbigcalm: some radio presenters had an idea.. and people went ahead and did it :)09:24
bigcalmarsen: The Real Ale Train09:24
BigRedSThe 'Real Ale Train;09:25
arsenah yes09:25
arsensounds fun09:25
MartijnVdSdwatkins: "Productivity way up"09:25
popeywhen is the RAT?09:25
bigcalm14th July09:25
popeyta09:25
arsenwhere at?:o09:25
bigcalmHaha09:25
bigcalmThe Water Cress Line09:25
arsenis it CAMRA sorted?09:25
bigcalm(down south)09:25
bigcalmpopey: have you lost your ticket?09:25
popeyno, it's --> there09:26
bigcalmPhew09:26
popeyi think09:27
bigcalm:|09:27
dwatkinsah yes, MartijnVdS - this appears to mention it, although I havn't passted it into googletranslate yet: "Een goeie traditie wordt voortgezet door Coen en Sander: Comic Sans dag! Gooi je site om op 6 juli"09:27
arsenwell that sounds epic, shame ive missed the harveys one:O09:28
arsenshould buy a GBBF ticket tbh09:28
bigcalmOff to the pub tonight for a few pints of ale. Then the LUG this coming Wednesday for another couple of pints. Goodness knows what the RAT will throw at me :)09:28
gorda couple of pints?09:28
bigcalmgord: I have to drive to and from the LUG in Wolverhampton. I know my limits and I stick to them09:29
gordbigcalm: i was saying that the rat would throw a couple of pints09:29
bigcalmAh09:29
bigcalmDoh09:29
bigcalmI can imagine some of my fellow travellers might throw a couple over me though09:30
bigcalmpopey: how are you python skills feeling this morning?09:30
popeynon-existent09:30
popey:(09:30
bigcalmOh dear09:31
bigcalmSkipping the competition?09:31
diploOoh a bit more lively here now09:32
arsensomeone mentioned babies, and sleep.09:33
bigcalmdiplo: did you see I got the webcam working?09:33
arsenand here we are on ale!09:33
diployeah, saw your vid last night09:33
diplogood work :)09:33
bigcalmYay09:33
diploMore clouds though :(09:33
bigcalmHeh09:33
arsenis that the buntu webcam guide? popeys? :o09:33
bigcalmThey make for good time lapse videos09:33
bigcalmdiplo: there were birds too!09:34
diploMy work colleague gone off to jamaica for 2 weeks09:34
arseni fancied doing that with a raspberry pi and trying to make timelapse/security vids :)09:34
diploAsked yesterday, got anything outstanding. Him: No09:34
diploFirst thing this morning, andy did damien mention this to you to sort09:34
diploAs he hasn't done it09:34
diploGrr!!!!!09:34
bigcalm:(09:34
dwatkinsI have a webcam with no IR-filter, so once I get a ring of IR LEDs around it, I can use it as a day and night camera to watch my pets.09:36
dwatkinsiirc there's an application that will record only when there's movement.09:36
popeyyes, webcam09:37
MartijnVdSit's called "motion", surprisingly09:37
* popey is using it09:37
popeythat too09:37
arsen:o09:37
dwatkinsthanks MartijnVdS - I knew it was something that might be difficult to google, i.e. a dictionary word09:37
dwatkinsyears ago we caught the security guard at our office mutilating desktop toys (penguins) in the middle of the night using an O2 and securitylite to save video when there was movement.09:38
BigRedSNot the penguins!09:38
dwatkinswe would come in to work and find he'd ripped the head off a penguin toy, so we decided to make sure we caught him on video.09:38
dwatkinsafter we reported it and provided the evidence, we never saw that security guard again, unsurprisingly09:39
BigRedSthat's a bit weird09:39
BigRedSthe tearing up of the penguins, not the not coming back09:39
arsenerp09:39
dwatkinsindeed, BigRedS - really surreal and slightly disturbinf09:39
dwatkins*disturbing09:39
arsenthe other day i was on the tube and glanced past some old dude reading what can only be described as a hardcore bondage story09:40
bigcalmIf there was ever an Off Topic sentence, that was it :)09:42
BigRedSthat's not so bad! We're talking about people doing weird things09:44
bigcalm:)09:44
BigRedSGetting dangerously close to on-topic, is there a raspberry pi alike that does SATA for <£50ish?09:44
bigcalmA little weird++ for here?09:44
BigRedSSmall rather than really low power (since there'd be a disk to power...)09:45
gordcan you not get a sata -> usb adapter?09:45
bigcalmBigRedS: buy an external harddrive and pull out the usb->sata controller?09:46
BigRedSyeah, I'm more wondering about getting SATA speeds out of it09:46
bigcalmI have 2 such on my desk. One of which has a power socket09:46
BigRedSI've a USB/sATA converta09:46
BigRedSconverter, even09:46
bigcalmFair enough09:46
BigRedSnot quite sure how that happened...09:46
dwatkinsWhat's the throughput for USB, 450 MB/s?09:46
dwatkinsjust wondering how much of a bottleneck it would be, also the Raspberry Pi is unlikely to achieve 3 GB/s09:46
BigRedSI don't know, but the plan is to do disk-to-disk copies and I wondered if I could get quicker than USB09:47
dwatkinsjust as I wrote that, I got disconnected from my Pi at home :-/09:47
dwatkinsBigRedS: e-sata?09:47
BigRedSIt heard you badmouthing it09:47
BigRedSdwatkins: yeah, that'd work, too09:47
dwatkinsyeah, it's upset09:47
BigRedSI mean, so would USB, but I figured I'd check if it was still cheap to get quicker09:48
dwatkinsI had it crash the other day, so I'm not entirely surprised. It's probably sitting at a kernel panic screen sulking.09:48
arsensorry bigcalm - on-topic in the sense it's the other weird disturbing thing thats happened to me recently.09:49
BigRedSAh, I've always viewed those as a tantrum09:49
arsennot what you expect from a 60somethign banker at canary wharf.09:49
BigRedSsulking is when it's sat in single-user asking for a root password09:49
bigcalmarsen: tis ok. Just a bit odd out of context for in here :)09:49
BigRedSin my mind09:49
arsendoes the raspberry pi ship with debian?09:50
dwatkinsarsen: it doesn't ship with anything, there are various distros available, though09:50
arsenok - presumably buntu install is straightforward though?:)09:50
gigixsome podcast show the pi running Fedora or Debian Wheezy09:51
dwatkinshttp://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads has the squeeze download09:51
BigRedSarsen: no, but Debian is09:51
dwatkinsI gather there's some reason Ubuntu won't be possible on the Pi09:51
arsenarh :/09:51
BigRedSarsen: the chip is too old for ubuntu09:51
arseninteresting. :D09:51
diploDoesn't support the arm architecture09:51
diploarmv7 over v6 or something i think09:51
BigRedSit's arm6, ubuntu only supports arm709:52
arsengotcha.09:52
BigRedSIt's also worth pointing out that it's really not intended as a desktop replacement09:52
BigRedSI hate to think how many people would've come away with a horrendous view of Ubuntu had Ubuntu decided to releae an arm6 kernel09:52
popey+109:53
popeyas it is they come away with a horrendous view of fedora.. which is fine ;)09:53
arsenspose. to be honest my choice of distribution for what i'd put on it would be based on opinion of the day, rather than anything sensical.09:53
BigRedSI mean, if you're showing off the fact that this hardware runs Quake3, nobody's going to enjoy running Firefox on it09:53
arsenim forced into daily interaction with SuSE RT, so anything is fresh air to me.. :)09:54
dwatkinsIt takes a full minute to render an xplanet image, it's not exactly fast ;)09:54
BigRedSI think I've got a guy at work to the point where he doesn't like mentioning the word 'SuSe' in front of me09:54
dwatkinsI used to work with SLES, it was less annoying than RHEL.09:54
* arsen shudders09:54
arsenfor a server i dont mind so much, YaST sucks but im not sure RHEL is worse09:55
* dwatkins shudders09:55
arsenthe problem comes when using SLED09:55
dwatkinsyeah, I tended to install with the rpm commandline in SLES, hated YaST lots.09:55
dwatkinsI think I installed SLED about twice, and the second time I took an image of the machine.09:56
arsenyast is a pain tbh, any networking change = restart entire networking stack etc. silly stuff.09:56
dwatkinsI kinda get the whole philosophy behind having a single config mechanism and so on, but yeah, it did silly things09:56
arsenits actually OK as an itnerface, its quick to change stuff, but the way it has to go abotu doing it is questionable. especially as a server OS - you cant actually use it remotely because it'l likely knock you off the network. fun stuff.09:57
arsenat least you can work on interfaces seperately with <insert any other distro>09:57
BigRedSI used to love the config roulette you played. Every time I configured something it would apparently randomly deconfigure something else09:57
arsenill be playing with OEL soon, which is an excuse to get ubuntu on the desktops.09:58
BigRedSSo I'd install Apache and then find I've reverted to mono audio or something09:58
arsenoh yes BigRedS, it populates fields by default that were previously (intentionally) blank, and therefore will, for example, empty the routing table, or change the hostname09:58
arsenand all you did was install .. dig? lol.09:58
BigRedShaha, yeah, that's what always got me - how unrelated the now-broken thing was to what I changed09:59
arseni've got ~100 servers to maintain like this :P09:59
arsenand if i manually (deb/rhel/others) style edit configs, restart stuff, it wont update yast's backend config DB, and consequently doesnt work, or isnt persistent best case. annoying!10:00
arsenwe'll see how OEL is i guess.10:00
BigRedSOEL?10:02
BigRedSAh, Oracle10:03
BigRedSWasn't that 'Unbreakable'?10:03
jacobwBigRedS: totally unbreakable10:08
brlabshi10:08
arsenmeant to be, BigRedS10:09
arsenso their sales guy tells me.10:09
arseni'm not too keen on the idea of solaris, but i could possibly stomach OEL10:10
jacobwwhat's the problem with ubuntu?10:10
arsenperformance, in this environment anyway10:11
arsenubuntu will be my desktop of choice though :)10:11
diplooh this gets worse10:11
brlabs:P10:11
diplophp app wrote in 2005, running on centos410:11
diploNow want it working on centos6 on php5.3.310:11
BigRedSjacobw: The 'Unfakeable' thing RH did got me to give it another go10:11
arsen:/10:11
diploDon't want much in a few hours10:11
BigRedSwell, Scientific10:11
BigRedSThe OS wasn't as good as the T-shirts :(10:11
arsenyeah some guys i knew use scientific.10:12
arsenknow*10:12
brlabsI finally completed this painting yesterday10:12
diplooimon uses SL at his school place i believe10:12
brlabsWorking on it for so long.10:12
arsenif im honesti  haevnt looked at SL much.10:13
brlabsfinal result: http://i.imgur.com/yGEZp.jpg10:13
arsenthat's a painting?:o10:13
davmor2Morning all10:14
brlabsYes arsen10:15
arsenbut it looks like a photo of a bar?:o10:15
brlabsThats the idea:P10:16
brlabsI started by taking a photo of a bar then I painted it to the canvas10:16
arsenso the entire thing is a physical painting?:o10:16
brlabssome closeups:10:16
brlabshttp://i.imgur.com/z9GJ0.jpg10:16
brlabshttp://i.imgur.com/vuHRe.jpg10:16
arsendo you have a snap of the canvas edge too? just to mess with my mind totally? that's awesome..10:16
davmor2bigcalm: I got the newer version of cyanogen mod on now all the same apps 97meg free space over the 18meg from the default and all the apps bar 2 smaller ones or on the phone rather than all being on the sdcard woohoo tis like a new phone10:17
dwatkinsvery impressive, brlabs10:17
brlabsHere are images from the process:10:17
brlabshttp://i.imgur.com/c70gX.jpg10:17
brlabshttp://i.imgur.com/I1AMP.jpg10:17
arsenit's incredible :P if it was a wall of my favourite spirits id be buying one :P10:17
arsenwow10:17
bigcalmdavmor2: yay10:18
arsenlooks like IRL photoshop :P10:18
brlabsThank you arsen:)10:18
brlabsthanks dwatkins10:18
davmor2bigcalm: oh and adw is built in so I didn't need that and I quite liked the ubuntu esque theme so I was able to get rid of both of those :)10:19
brlabsi made this painting with reference to an imaege i took in ny jfk airport10:20
popeythats very impressive10:22
brlabsthank you10:22
popeybrlabs, how long did it take?10:22
brlabs6 months10:23
brlabsand its still got to be varnished10:23
* diplo doesn't have that sort of patience :(10:23
bigcalmWhy did you leave yourself in the painting?10:23
brlabsits been quite a challenge, im glad its doneyou might say10:23
brlabsbigcalm I like how it adds perspective10:27
brlabshttp://i.imgur.com/HylJQ.jpg10:27
brlabsHeres another recent painting , it needs to be varnished too10:27
brlabswhich will bring out the darks much more vividly10:28
brlabsits acrylic on stretched canvas10:28
brlabsitx 3.5' x 5.5'10:29
Myrttithe ocean spray bottle seems out of place10:32
brlabs:)10:35
davmor2bigcalm: how you getting on with geany?10:52
davmor2bigcalm: did you have to enable many of the plugins to make the highlighting and such work?10:53
bigcalmdavmor2: it didn't fit my neads for my day to day work. I'm back with NetBeans10:53
bigcalmdavmor2: I installed a lot of helpful plugins, but there are unchangeable things that stopped me from using it fully10:53
diploSeems the same thing for me as bigcalm10:54
bigcalmIt's a pumped up text editor, but not a proper IDE10:54
* dwatkins returns from an unplanned fire drill11:04
bigcalmHaven't looked at the google analytics for myrant.net for some time. Pleased to see that some of my work has been used as a source in a stackoverflow.com answer: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10475884/how-does-wordpress-com-resize-images-dynamically11:06
* bigcalm ponders commenting on the answer that used my source11:09
* BigRedS sees no code11:09
BigRedSoh, the rewrite rules?11:10
bigcalmYes11:10
* BigRedS spots the 'source' link11:10
bigcalmIt might very well be time for a toasted sandwich or two11:15
arsennandos lunch :D11:15
bigcalmNandos would mean a 36 min drive11:16
davmor2bigcalm: god where is your nearest nandos wolvo?11:23
arsenarh im lucky, i get it delivered to the office :p11:24
gigixnandos :S11:25
brobostigon!info insserv11:29
lubotu3insserv (source: insserv): Tool to organize boot sequence using LSB init.d script dependencies. In component main, is required. Version 1.14.0-2.1ubuntu2 (precise), package size 48 kB, installed size 219 kB11:29
Hawffle!seen linuxsapien11:40
lubotu3I have no seen command11:40
BigRedSI have a gotomeeting-based meeting on Wednesday, anyone know if that means I need to fix my Windows install?11:58
BigRedSI've found WINE howtos, but I don't want to go down that route if it's likely to still be rubbish11:58
dwatkinsBigRedS: you mean in terms of using the application from linux?11:59
ormiretBigRedS: I've never gotten gotomeeting to work well under wine. THere is an android client that's not bad if you aren't going to be the presenter.12:00
dwatkinsI don't know if it has a flash-only version, but you might be able to join from the browser if it does, like Adobe Connect does.12:01
BigRedSdwatkins: yeah, I've a debian and a ubuntu machine that I can use12:02
BigRedSormiret: ooh, that might work12:02
BigRedSta12:02
BigRedShilariously this is a meeting about linux hosting.12:02
ormiretNope, if you connect from a browser it just downloads the java app (which is tied horribly into windows media stuff).12:02
dwatkinsah, shame, ormiret12:03
dwatkinssign up for the 30-day trial of Adobe Connect and get thenm to use that instead ;)12:03
arsennot sure how webex works in linux?12:07
dwatkinsI tried it a few years ago, arsen - not too well, sadly12:08
BigRedSHaha, I know at least one of the other people involved doesn't have a Windows machine12:08
dwatkinsI think I managed to get it to work after fiddling with the java version on OpenSuSE12:08
BigRedSwonder what he's got planned12:08
dwatkinsget someone in the gotomeeting session to share their screen with connect ;)12:09
BigRedSOh. I'm being loaned a Windows laptop for the occasion12:15
dwatkinsThat's one solution, I guess ;)12:16
BigRedShaha, yeah. I think actually being in this meeting is viewed as more important than being principled about free desktops12:17
BigRedSAll over their website it wants me to buy it; is there a free viewer or something?12:18
BigRedSthis is why I shouldn't be left in a customer-facing sort of position :)12:18
dwatkinsther'es a free trial, BigRedS12:18
BigRedSAh yeah, I'll just do that12:18
dwatkinsI assume you have to join a meeting for it to offer to install the windows client software, that's how it works with other such things.12:19
BigRedSOut of interest, is there a free-er more compatible alternative?12:19
dwatkinsI'd suggest Adobe Connect, it works with anything flash runs on in general (although some features require the 'add-in')12:20
BigRedSAh, fair enough12:23
BigRedSFigured I'd at least make a comment about it :)12:23
dwatkinssadly I don't know of a properly free alternative12:24
dwatkins(unless you count google's hangouts, but I don't think you can do desktop sharing with that)12:25
gordyou can12:26
dwatkinsoh neat12:26
gordas well as with skype12:26
dwatkinsyeah, I was thinking Skype isn't any more 'free' than the commercial solutions mentioned above, I doubt there's a properly free meeting/desktop-sharing application12:27
gordno cost though12:27
gordits not like i want to edit the source so don't really care about the free software aspect12:28
dwatkinsyeah, I guess the difference is that with Skype and Google hangouts, you can use them (for small meetings, at least, I gather) for free, whereas the commercial solutions require an on-premise installation or chargable account on a cluster provided by the vendor.12:30
BigRedSah yeah, google hangout would really fit what I'd want to be suggesting12:32
BigRedSforgot those existed!12:32
BigRedSbut, yeah, by 'free' I probably actually meant 'can get at from pretty much any desktop'12:33
dwatkinsyeah, that was the trouble with gotomeeting and webex that I was surprised at12:34
dwatkinsI guess 90% of desktops is enough for some companies ;)12:34
diploSomeone help me with permissions, I really want to fix this but I'm drugged up to the eye balls12:34
diploIts general but is on cent :)12:34
diplotrying to use mkdir within php12:34
bigcalmdavmor2: thanks for thinking me as such, but I am not your god. Closest Nando's is in Shrewsbury12:34
diploApache running as apache user12:34
gordi use hangouts + skype for 90% of my meetings, the rest being on a horrible phone system because i can't understand voip or on mumble12:34
diplofolder owned by user in /var/www/html12:34
dwatkinsit always surprises me how bad VoiP is at times12:35
* bigcalm returns from lunch12:35
BigRedSdiplo: for a dir you need 'r' to enter, 'x' to list and 'w' to create things in it12:37
diployeah understand that, hmm wonder if i add apache user to users group12:39
diplorah fixed12:40
diplobeen looking at it for ages12:40
diploask the question, fix it straight away12:40
diploGod this code sucks soooooooooooooooooooooooo badly!!!!12:40
diplo:(12:40
dwatkinsI would consider a solution that gives away less permissions, but if that works, fair enough :-/12:42
diploI will come back and revisit this, my colleage was supposed to have fixed this early part of the week, customer moving from a PC to a VM for his system and basically nothing works12:43
diploNeeds to be done in the next 4 hours :/12:43
diplo3... even12:43
BigRedSdiplo: in general, I'd stick the website in a vhost owned by a particular user and use suphp or mod-itk to make it run as that user12:43
BigRedSmakes permissions easier, and often it means even the web dev can work out what to do12:43
diployeah, what I do on my home setup, althought not used mod-itk12:44
BigRedSWe've stuck it on a few servers rather than the old horrendous bodge of fastcgi, suexec and bash wrapper scripts12:44
BigRedSway easier to admin and configure, no downside that we've yet come across12:45
BigRedSexcept the theoretical security ones12:45
BigRedSbut we find that web developers are more dangerous than attackers anyway :)12:45
diploheh aint that the truth12:46
diploI think if anyone saw this code they would cry12:46
diplojust found a default error message of his12:46
diploecho "didn't get owt..... may we should have done, someone ought to check this!"12:46
diploThis is on a customers site!!12:46
BigRedShahaha12:48
BigRedSto be fair, though, many of my scripts simply die("Idiot."); on error...12:48
diploCustomer facing ?12:48
BigRedShaha, no12:49
BigRedSNo, the only scripts I write are for me or my colleagues to use12:49
BigRedSStill, as useless output goes...12:49
diplo:)12:50
kvarleyI'm trying to use my Netgear N150 USB WiFi stick in XUbuntu 12.04. It uses the Atheros AR9271 chipset. How can I install the drivers for it?12:56
kvarleyNvm, solved13:08
=== dominic_ is now known as dwatkins
DJonesWould anybody recommend a tplink over devolo powerline networking equipment? Just looking at both, both the same speeed, just wondered if anybody can say whether one is better/more reliable than the other13:27
AlanBellDJones: the 200Mbit stuff is compatible with each other13:28
czajkowskiAlanBell: bigcalm is evil, he wants me to strangle you13:28
bigcalmHaha13:28
bigcalmNot quite what I meant :)13:28
DJonesAlanBell: Looking to buy a pack of two anyway, question is more whether devolo is better than tplink or vice versa13:28
AlanBellI have a 4port hub from one place and a couple of single port things that all work together13:28
bigcalmLanguage not intended for this channel though :)13:29
davmor2DJones: I have the TPlink one for the ps3 it's fine you wouldn't know it wasn't a cable from one end to the other13:30
* AlanBell hardly ever gets strangled13:30
DJonesdavmor2: I'm planning on using it for sky anytime+, I guess both manufacturers are pretty similar, similar specs & regulations, so not much difference in the end13:31
bigcalmGrrr to CSS selectors13:32
davmor2czajkowski: pulverise bigcalm on behave of AlanBell would you ta13:33
davmor2czajkowski: PROD hello :)13:33
bigcalmI need to apply a style to an element that has a child element that has a specific class13:33
bigcalmCan I do it without javascript?13:34
* arsen head explodes13:34
czajkowskiand without chickens13:34
arsenthat's not a bad idea actually, DJones - we've been putting off the sky anytime+ not wanting to wire the house up for it.13:35
gordfwiw, the powerline network stuff i have gets about 600kb/s, not enough to stream HD13:36
davmor2gord: I blame your wiring though dude ;)13:36
gordit probably is, but its a fairly new house, i just think that the whole thing is hit and miss13:37
KungFuPandaguys, how to make bash auto run after user ssh?13:48
KungFuPandaI tried create a .bash_profilelike this:if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then13:48
KungFuPanda  . ~/.bashrc13:48
KungFuPandafi13:48
popeyset the users default shell?13:48
KungFuPandathanks for the tip, works now13:52
bigcalmHow would you check if a given value is a multiple of 5?13:53
kvarleyI get a "Unable to add user" error window everytime I connect to my MSN account via Pidgin. I have had this issue for years but never bothered to resolve it. Is it the fault of MSN or Pidgin? A screenshot of the rror message can be found here - http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-060712-144714.php How can I stop the message?13:54
bigcalmif ($amount % 5 == 0) { ...13:55
* bigcalm answers his own question after talking about it13:56
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DJonesgord: From what I can see with sky anytime, its not true streaming anyway, it downloads a percentage of the video to teh hard drive before letting you watch it, so there's normally a decent buffered amount on the drive14:00
dwatkinsbigcalm: are you making this calculation in silicon or carbon? ;)14:02
bigcalmdwatkins: eh?14:02
bigcalmBoth :D14:02
dwatkinsbigcalm: computer or brain, software or wetware14:02
dwatkinsah ok, just curious14:02
dwatkinsI remember discovering shortcuts in maths, like how to tell if a number is divisible by 314:03
bigcalmA customer has to enter an amount that is between 5 and 150 pounds and is a multiple of 514:03
dwatkinsIt was like a whole world of fast caulculation opened up14:03
bigcalmAh14:03
dwatkinssounds like something you can implement in javascript fairly easily in the form itself14:03
bigcalmI can do the 9 times table on my fingers. Up to 10 anyway14:03
dwatkinsthe really impressive webpages are the ones where you can't right-click to copy your email address, and *have* to type it again...14:04
dwatkins...and then there are some hoopy tricks you can do with form validation as I imagine you're well aware.14:04
ormiretdwatkins: never trust anything coming from the users machine no matter how much javascript you've asked them to run, you've got no guaranteed they actually do.14:05
dwatkinsoh absolutely, I'm just thinking of stuff like them inputting their own address - situations where it's their problem if it's wrong for example, ormiret14:06
KungFuPandaanyone can see my enter room information: like this one ?webpigeon [~webpigeon@cpc5-chms4-2-0-cust91.basl.cable.virginmedia.com] entered the room14:07
KungFuPandajust curious14:07
gordDJones: all streaming services do that, but the buffers are small, easily run-outable if you don't have a data rate greater than or equal to the video datarate. you should test before investing is all i'm saying14:07
KungFuPandaanyone ?14:08
gordbigcalm: more fun way, convert the number to a string, check to see if the last character is 1,2,3 or 414:08
AlanBell15:08 -!- KungFuPanda [~songtao@host81-142-211-67.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-uk14:08
bigcalmHah14:08
bigcalmgord: or 6 7 8 914:08
KungFuPandathank you14:08
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gordbig numbers aren't supported14:08
AlanBellthat would be a yes KungFuPanda, but you can get a cloak if you want, ask in #freenode for that14:08
DJonesgord: Fair point14:09
gordor you could -5 from an unsigned number in a loop, if you hit a value higher than the original value before you hit 0, its not a multiple of five14:13
gordoh oh just have a lookup table of 150 elements storing true/false, that might actually be faster than using modulus14:20
bigcalmo.O14:21
ali1234it's actually quite difficult to beat modulus for arbitrary numbers14:21
AzelphurBought a fancy fan controller that has two of these that I assume need to plug into the motherboard, http://bit.ly/NcCNEf anyone know how I can get more usb headers somehow?14:24
Azelphura splitter or a pci card or something?14:24
Azelphurwell, probably splitter since asus designed my motherboard in a retarded way14:24
ali1234you can just plug those into any USB port with an adapter14:25
ali1234it does not have to be any special kind of usb connector14:25
ali1234you can't use a passive splitter though, for obvious reasons14:26
ali1234you need to use a USB hub14:26
Azelphurah I see14:26
Azelphurso you can get usb header -> standard USB?14:26
ali1234yes14:27
Azelphurthen I just need to mount a powered USB hub in my machine or something14:27
Azelphurcool14:27
ali1234i have one14:27
Azelphurnice14:27
ali1234got some internal usb card reader14:27
davmor2anyone read tamil?14:27
ali1234it has that type of block header to connect to motherboard usb, it also came with an extra adapter in case your motherboard doesn't have those14:27
ali1234(it's really old)14:28
Azelphurcool14:28
Azelphurali1234: aha, this looks like what I need? http://www.ebuyer.com/327902-nzxt-internal-usb-expansion-iu01?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products14:29
ali1234that would do the job perfectly14:29
Azelphur:D14:29
Azelphurnow all I need to do is write drivers for this fan controller \o/14:29
ali1234it won't be complex14:30
Azelphurhopefully, I figured a fan controller would have a very simple protocol so it would be a good start for me to start learning USB stuff14:30
ali1234start with making dumps using virtualbox and windows and usb pass through14:30
Azelphuralso amusingly, the standard drivers are (compiled close source) python14:30
Azelphuryea14:30
ali1234ah python should be very easy to decompile14:31
ali1234makes it even easier14:31
* bigcalm wonders hos much he is costing his client by sending and receiving all of these test messages :D14:31
Azelphurindeed14:31
ali1234link to drivers?14:31
Azelphurali1234: http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/recon/14:31
Azelphurali1234: run the installer and then unzip C:\Program Files\Recon.exe14:32
ali1234it's probably py2exe14:34
Azelphurfun14:34
ali1234hmm where's objdump pe/i38614:37
Azelphuralso another fun semi-issue, look at the picture of my mobo for a second14:37
Azelphurnotice how the usb header / front panel / ... is right next to the bottom PCIe port14:38
Azelphurmaking it totally unusable, because you can either have a card in there, or your USB / front buttons14:38
ali1234what picture?14:38
Azelphurany ideas on that? XD14:38
Azelphurhttp://brain.pan.e-merchant.com/6/3/08454736/u_08454736.jpg whoops14:38
ali1234there's 4 usb cnnectors on there?14:39
Azelphuryea, I need 2 of the fan controllers14:39
Azelphurand then I'd like to actually have some USB ports for myself :P14:39
ali1234well i don't see a problem14:40
Azelphursee the small black connnector directly below the bottom pcie14:40
Azelphurabove the white one14:40
Azelphurthat's front audio for example14:40
Azelphurif I try to plug something into bottom pcie, that cable is in the way, there's no way to do it14:40
Azelphursame with every single port, all the way down that row next to the bottom pcie14:41
Azelphurall the usbs, front panel header, audio, they all block a pcie card going in that bottom slot14:41
Azelphur:(14:41
Azelphurit bugs the crap outta me14:41
popeyMemOK!14:42
Azelphurpopey: it has a little light to tell you that you plugged the memory in properly...just in case you was confused on how to plug memory in.14:42
popeyhaha14:42
popeynice14:42
AzelphurxD14:43
popeyits the little thinhgs14:43
popeyI do like asus mobos14:43
Azelphurhehe14:43
AzelphurI'm not a fan of that bottom port design14:43
Azelphur"tri sli ready" my ass because of that14:43
bigcalmHow am I meant to send a pound symbol £ as an SMS?14:43
ali1234no14:44
bigcalm£ gives me A£14:44
dwatkinsbigcalm: GBP after the amount?14:44
bigcalmdwatkins: that's not a symbol :)14:44
ali1234just don't buy three double height graphics cards and then there is no problem14:44
Azelphur:(14:44
bigcalm"\00A3" gives nothing14:44
ali1234bigcalm: did you know that your message came out as "?"14:44
dwatkinsbigcalm: heh yeah, that's why me and my brothers use it on IRC, we're all on different platforms, clients etc.14:44
ali1234and not £14:45
bigcalmali1234: no, I didn't14:45
dwatkinsali1234: I see "pound gives me Apound"14:45
ali1234not only do you fail to send it in SMS, you also fail to send it on irc14:45
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ali1234"? gives me A?" is what i see14:45
dwatkinsI have unicode enabled on irssi and in screen.14:45
bigcalmI've now changed this session to use UTF-814:46
bigcalm£ is a pound symbol14:46
gordworked fine for me in quassel bigcalm:)14:47
ali1234that works14:47
bigcalmI wonder what my IDE is saving files as14:47
ali1234escape it14:47
bigcalmOr is using for an HTTP response14:47
ali1234how are you seending the SMS?14:47
ali1234over a json request or something?14:47
ali1234i suspect there is no way to send £ in SMS that will work with all phones14:50
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czajkowskihttp://blog.launchpad.net/were-hiring/were-hiring-software-engineers-to-work-on-cloud-projects-in-canonical  if anyone knows  people who are looking for work15:18
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n1md4hi16:44
n1md4... in fact, ignore me ... I was going to ask an APT question, but have only just posted on #debian, I should give them chance to reply.16:45
n1md4:>16:45
brobostigonhi n1md416:47
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AlanBellpopey how is the ububtu tablet?18:18
popeyquite nice18:20
popeybut i cant get GL ES working :(18:21
AlanBell2d only then18:21
popeywell it should work18:23
popeybut there seems to be a library missing from the ti omap powervr driver :(18:23
AlanBelloh18:24
AlanBellwifey wants a tablet18:24
MartijnVdS\o/ closed-source video drivers18:24
MartijnVdSjust when Nouveau "fixed" that on PC18:24
AlanBellnexus 7 is a maybe18:24
ali1234nouveau didn't fix anything18:24
AlanBellwish they would release the transformer infinity18:25
MartijnVdSali1234: at least it's a free driver18:25
popeyhttp://ask.linaro.org/questions/1421/segfault-when-running-opengl-es-related-applications18:28
popey^^^18:28
ali1234what makes you think something is missing?18:31
popeysubsequent tests which result in an error message looking for a libpvr driver18:31
popeyI'll update the question later18:32
ali1234also you should install cordia or something, so you can see how a good touch UI works18:34
bigcalmPub time \o/19:34
MartijnVdSNow, BBC Four, Ozzy/Black Sabbath19:59
MartijnVdSbrobostigon:19:59
MartijnVdS4.5 hours)19:59
brobostigonMartijnVdS: yep, not really my kind of thing, but i will take a watch.20:00
MartijnVdSbut.. guitars!20:02
brobostigonyes, certainly.20:04
* MartijnVdS has set his PC to record the sat stream20:05
brobostigon:)20:05
MartijnVdSstatus 1f | signal 0142 | snr 0073 | ber 00000000 | unc fffffffe | FE_HAS_LOCK20:07
Azelphuram I winning at cable management yet https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120706_205938.jpg20:07
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: Speaking of music, I bought a ticket for this: https://uk.patronbase.com/_Minack/Sections/Choose?prod_id=NP&perf_id=120:08
MartijnVdSAzelphur: getting there20:08
Azelphur:D20:08
MartijnVdSThat concert is a bit far away though20:08
MartijnVdS(both in time, as in space020:08
brobostigonlet me read, minute.20:09
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: it's a sea-side open-air theatre 2 miles from Land's End :)20:09
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: and it's next May20:09
brobostigonMartijnVdS: ah, sounds interesting, and i admit ignorance, i have no idea who she is.20:10
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: I saw her in London a few months ago -- http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL65507731C2EBA66A&feature=mh_lolz20:10
brobostigonMartijnVdS: ah, let me listen.20:11
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